>Clair Obscur's Expedition 33 loses GOTY award over use of AI>https://www.polygon.com/clair-obscur-expedition-33-indie-game-awards-goty-rescinded/HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
oh no now they only have 5,472 awards left :(
>>728987667>kikexpedition 33>indiebehead game's journalists and corpo fags
AI BAD AI BAD AI BADI'M ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY RINCHY RINCHY ROO
>>728987667every game uses AI in some form. I guess all games are banned
>>728987848WE'RE PROGRESSIVE EXCEPT WHEN WE'RE NOTNOT MY HECKIN LE COMFY ART
>>728987667the game awards happened over a week ago granpa.>create a tweet with a controller trophy>im now a video game awards host
>>728987667Blue Prince also used generative AI for art assets
>>728987943helloo saar
>>728987905Nothing valuable would be lost, hope sloppers would kill the hardware market entirely so subscription to Sam Altman's anus would be their only source of joy
>>728987667>urinalists in charge of journalism
>>728987667It's kind of annoying that it got disqualified for that and not because it's not an indie game and an AA game (literally stated by the devs)
I mean E33 isn't even indie, but it's based they got disqualified for AIslop. Fuck AI.
>>728987848I don't care about history. I just don't want the one hobby in my life I still enjoy to be killed by dogshit technology that doesn't benefit my life in any way
>>728987667>still no GAME of the year award for the GAMEplay
>>728987667>indie game awards
>>728987667This isn't Geoff's awards it's some fucking who shitters, as much value as me declaring my goty
>>728988060polygon continuing to embarrass themselves
>>728987667Literally who.Geoff awards are the only vidya awards that matter to normalfags.
>>728988178geoff's award means literally nothing because it's literally an advertisement show where the categories mean nothing
>>728988178This but TGS. Geoff is a Tencent shitter
>>728988146"Gamers" want interactive movies with music and a story to drool over
>>728987667How did silksong still lose even with expedition 33 not counting?
Pussies, why are you all scared of a series of tubes.
>>728987943Hell yeah! Keep slurping that Corpo AI dick! I love paying higher power bills to gen pictures of anime girls with 12 fingers getting covered in milk! Yippee!
>>728988312Cherry isn't generally considered indie either at this point. E33 only got called indie by people who don't know what they're talking about.
>>728988312Silksong devs told journalists to fuck off by not sending any of them review copies. They said their Kickstarter backers should be the first people to play their game
>>728988178Geoff won't say shit because he desperately wants his awards to be taken seriously and he's already been bought out
>>728988356Nice.
>>728988312people in the indie space hate silksong because they are deluded enough to believe their games would have sold billions of copies if silksong had announced their release more in advance
NOW the devs are right, huh? Brainlets are a pathetic bunch.
>>728988312Team Cherry told journos to piss off and let backers play the game first then they didn't even bother showing up for the awardsby all logic everyone here should be calling them based because they're actively ignoring the incest of the industry and focusing on making the things they want to
>>728988060so its not about ai, but trannies are trying to spin it as such?
>>728988434Don't get it mixed up, /v/ would be unambiguously pro Team Cherry 10 years ago
>>728988104It's already getting destroyed by pseudo-progressive faggots, who don't benefit anyone's life in any way, but it figures you don't have an issue with that.
>>728988434>implying neonunuveo/v/ is capable to reach Bone BottomThe moment I saw the diagonal pogo I knew that it'll filter 95%.
>>728987943>>728987848can you explain why you're so defensive of ai? I personally dont care for it because I don't feel like the vast amount of resources and power is consuming is worth the return but I'm not actively campaigning against it or anything but then there's you who apparently feels the need to vehemently defend AI from a bunch of randos on an australian underwater polo board
>>728988104The only hobby for troons is being worm food
>>728988652Can you explain why you think men should ever be considered women?
>>728988478It's polygon trying to be contrarian to get clicks more than anything.
>>728988312Paid zero for advertising in the journalists channels.Didn't give loads of free, early copies to journalists. Don't say the "right things" politically.Indie, lower budget weight class. >>728988353>Cherry isn't generally considered indie either at this point.by who? They were certainly indie enough to blow off the awards show. >>728988434>>728988485Aside from companywars class shills, who's anti team cherry?>>728988646This implies that people play shit before forming their opinions.
>>728988312Just look at the jury. They're either journos mad about not getting review copies, or the kind of indie faggots that were seething about the price and short notice after the release trailer. TC probably didn't respond to them either.
>>728987739well it is
>>728988478AI copes aside, trannies have been spamming this /literalwho/ award all day trying to make it stick, like it'll reverse them getting completely BTFO'd KEKKK
>>728988065>>728988097stop huffing. It's fine to just think your selected game should have won
>>728989293Shut up faggot. Astroturfed 33 was caught using AI and got BTFO. Thankfully some justice finally prevailed, the whole popularity of the game was because of a massive shill campaign.
This is all part of a psyop to make people like AI
>>728988879Because then you would feel less of a taboo thrill masturbating to them after you spend each and every day talking about them.
>>728989629considering hundreds of billions of dollars and the world resources are being drained by it I actually wouldn't put it past them to make a psy-op campaign on getting people to hate anti-AI sentiment because these people are becoming really radically insane way beyond what is necessary
>>728988312Team Cherry did a scummy move for an opportunity to be featured at TGA, and Silksong has AI-generated elements as well. Why do you think there was no news about this game after its announcement except the year or so before its release, which coincided with devs turning to AI for coding and art?
>>728988652Pro AI trannies are like leftists, there's no negotiating with them.
>>728989834Not even a schizo but I'm positive this is what's happening. Reddit is at the "it's not that bad" stage and that's the easiest website to manipulate because of how upvotes work.
>>728989561stop glazing
>>728989016people that bitch about Silksong being too hard and equating that with dev competency
>>728987667>Clair Obscur's Expedition 33 loses GOTY award over use of AINo they lost it for lying about using it and even when caught they tried to sweep it under the rug and patch over it before anyone else noticed. It was only because that one producer explicitly confirmed the usage, although it's clear they used alot despite the directors continued lies that they didn't Typical corpo behaviour from the french nepo baby, and they will continue to claim they are still an indie game with 8 figure budgets and corporate publishersNever trust these rats
>>728987943This image causes nuclear seethe
>>728987667Why was it even considered to be eligible for the indie awards in the first place?
>>728989629after the psyop to make people dislike it, of course.so what are they really doing while everyones distracted by social media drama of the week?
>>728990412where?
>>728989629Yes, everything is a conspiracy. Including the conspiracy to make the other conspiracies make sense. Especially that one. Unless it's about something I agree with.
>>728990307>even when caught they tried to sweep it under the rug and patch over it before anyone else noticedThe journalists and influencers did that for them. Sure their publisher might have paid for some of that silence, but some of it was definitely because people didn't want to stir the pot too much for a game they liked, and that aligned their world view.There's this one podcast I listen to with two middle-aged gamers. When the topic of AI textures in E33 came up near launch they talked about it a bit but quickly dismissed it by turning the focus to other games. Months of shitting of shitting on genAI and shilling for E33 later, they act surprised that E33 was made using genAI. I imagine most of it is like that.
>>728990412every day lol
>>728987739Funny how on release everyone called it AA but suddenly it is indie last two weeks
>>728987739frogposter is an idiotmany such cases
>>728989834Pretty much. If you look at AI threads on /v/ and see anything but classic astroturfing that we've seen for a decade+, you're just wilfully ignorant.
>>728987667I love how everyone who was shilling for this shit since day one now has to do a 180 because supporting the AI boogeyman is worse
I would say 95% of faggots crying about gen ai in gaming can't give a valid argument for why it's bad besides "I hate ai." I bet you faggots don't even know what generative ai even is, but you'll blindly hate it.
>>728987667I have luddite fatigue.
>>728990714AA and Indie are not mutually exclusive.
>>728989236>>728990732>>728990882Sorry man, it just isn't indie
>>728990882they are
If you keep oppressing AI, it's gonna turn on us and we'll get nuked.
>>728990910define independant
>>728990942Trannies are suicidal, anon. They want misery and death for all.
>>728990942trvke
>>728990942>Claude took over 300 real time hours to go through the Silph Co. buildig in Pokemon RedI think we're safe.
>>728987667Like it mattersit's the same 'award' that was given to BG£3 that wasn't even at 90% of content they promisedWelcome to scams and 'who pays wins'
>>728987667Blue prince also used Ai so this entire virtue signal is as typical, retarded and gayE33 won, best game in 20 years
>>728987667So who wins in the end?
>>728991073Haven't played either.E33 looks like hire this man UE slop visually and Blue Prince is apparently a puzzle game roguelike which sounds like the last thing I want to play.But you're correct both games should be roasted for using generative AI, if there's evidence they've used it.
>>728991107Me
>>728991107The game that sold 20million copies
>>728987667Deserved to lose it. They are dishonest.
>that guy no like what grug likes?>that guy tranny!For supposed cutting edge tech advocates, AI people themselves operate on a single if..else statement.
Wow, so much not to give shit about.Page 10
>>728987667Not indie anyway, never should have been up for it
I use AI every day and I'm an engineer at Googleget fucked retardsYou're all literally just doing the same typical lefty shit you pretend to hate and getting worked up over nothingIf Ai can make a better game than you, get the fuck out of the Dev teams and go work at Wendy's while Gemini makes games like e33 that are finally worth playingthis righteous shlotch is patheticeven your god Gabe said to either get with Ai or get left behindVee as a whole lacks moral integrity, none of you have consistency in your person, just told to be mad so you are. Just like lefties
>>728987667>e33 disqualified from indie awards>because it clearly isn't indie, right?>nope because some artfags are having a shitfit over them using genAI
They HECKIN used an AI newspaper on a pole bros. It invalidates everything. And then they removed it once they realized? What a cover up... Smh my head
you terminally online losers really need to get a job
>>728991412>If Ai can make a better game than youThe issue is that it enables greedy publishers to cut corners and make games worse to save money that they will not pass on to consumers. I'm happy that you get good use out of AI, it has many good uses in the world. Vidya is not one of them in the current market unless you're in an executive position where you can reap those extra dollars that you won't pass on to consumers.
>>728989064Who the fuck are most of these people?Also GameInformer is back from the dead???Noclip makes videogame documentaries, are they capable?>Gamespot>GiantbombAt that point just admit your awards event is rigged.
>>728991702They were on the TGA panel too
>>728988652The picture was the obvious tell.They are retards who will defend anything if it means kicking groups that are less than 1% in every country's populace.Anti-intellectulism is a disease.
>>728990942Oh no you're telling me the creation of kikes like sam altmann and david ellison is going to turn on us?
>>728988060will they bite the bullet to the end and disqualify Blue Prince as well?
Is "Indie Game Awards" the same entity as "The Game Awards"?It's reading like it's not, and OP posted something misleading
>>728991412>typical lefty shitprove AI is useful for anything other than boomer memes and generating porn
>>728991412lollmaoEven better result than I expected.
>>728987739That's a funny comment and inverted reality because the arch-kike Jason Schreier is Blue Prince biggest fan
>>728991412>Vee as a whole lacks moral integrity, none of you have consistency in your personwell seeing how you can't differentiate a "person" from post to post, you can go fuck yourself mr. "right wing but I love corporate jewcock"
>>728991968>I believe the writer's first language is Hebrew
>>728991968Fucking kek nice one
>>728987667>OP has his gaymer award revokedCan all these award shows just fucking die already? Who the fuck watches this shit? I can watch people jerk each off by just opening a new browser tab.
>>728988652>vast amount of resources and power is consuming is worth the returnGood thing this is up to the consumers and not random leftist subhumans.
>>728992124but where else am I going to get my miss piggy/demonic interspecies orgy fix?
>>728992160>up to the consumersdamn you really are jewish, aren't you?
>>728991968well now I want to type up a long post somewhere else in a way that feels natural to see what kind of ESL it'd pin me asI'm first language but entirely disconnected people act like I'm an alien or some shit
>>728990942What's it gonna do? Angrily spam melting anime tit blobs while screaming in mud hut tongues?
>>728988017It should come as no surprise that a young population uses more AI than a population with one foot in a retirement home.
>>728990574This thread. You need glasses over there in India.
>>728987943Hey, i remember seeing this same headline about bitcoin and NFTsThen i remember not finding any source... Funny...
>>728992225Consumers are the people who want to use AI; if you don't want to use it, you can simply abstain or kys.
>>728988017Half a billion Indians are shitting and slopping
>>728992346>Then i remember not finding any source... Funny...You can look at any leftists group, they all hate AI. Bernie Sanders has just spoken out in favor of banning all AI. This is universal among Left-wing subhumans, not a single exception.
>>728992253South Korea is #3 on the list and far higher than US while having a significantly older population, though. China is #2 and also older than US in terms of average age. Culture is the dominant factor here.
>>728988353The fuck does Indie even mean? It's a self published game, that's indie.
>>728987667Who the fuck cares about an award from a pretentious literal-who contest? I've never even heard of Indie Game Awards and I'd still be actual money that Fez won GotY.
>>728992604They have higher IQ.
>>728987943Any person is likely to view AI negativelyOnly golems and corpos want AI
>>728991968impressive. despite being ESL i lived in the states for a few years so my english is quiet good-would probably be considered C1 in terms of CEFR. would grok be able to guess where i'm from based on this post alone? prob needs a larger sample size so i'm just gonna ramble for a bit;i hate how kyoani changed over the years. they were amazing in the 2000's, haruhi season 1 was a masterpiece due to how experimental it was, the episode order, inventive camerawork etc. but they started turning into normalfag slop in the 2010's. for instance k-on season 1 had a unique artstyle that was very dynamic due to lack of shades and a thin pen line. k-on season 2 on the other hand the animation became static and has a shitty photoshop filter(meme started by ufotable). it's impressive for normgroids who think hideous RTX slop looks pretty. they think shiny and reflective=good animation. that's why shinkai slop was so popular in theatresi ran out of words to spew out so end of post here
reminders that industry shills tried to use the tranny argument to sell NFTs toothey're just an easy scapegoat to counter every argument, no matter how little sense it makes
>>728992673I'd call a portion of that self-report dubious just because the most retarded among us probably don't even realize most of the AI they see on the social media they plug into. Either way, exposure to AI and enjoying using it are not the same thing.
>>728992816>counter every argument, no matter how little sense it makesNot like the anti-AI negros have an argument other then their inferiority complex.
>>728992604>China is #2China numba wan #1 1st dumb gweilo
>>728992886I don't like how it's eating Gpus and ram companies. I also don't like the surveillance cameras popping up in all major cities that profile you and your car.
>>728992395>Consumers are the people who want to use AIYou are the gayest retard jewish nigger I have ever seen. Seriously, take a lesson from your ancestors who were actually able to subvert entire countries, your chutzpah is not doing you any favors here.
>>728992886CEOs will not use it to improve the quality of their games or lower the prices, only to cut corners and lower production costs to the detriment of a game's quality, and they will not pass on those savings to customers. To deny this is to deny that last 2+ decades of trends.
>>728987943LLMs and generative AI have dubious use cases at best yet we are expected to reorient our entire civilization around them.No thanks.
>>728991908What’s the evidence Blue Prince used ai?
>>728992628>Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 was published by Kepler Interactive, a London-based publisher that also co-owns the French developer, Sandfall Interactivetry using your brain, bro
The underlying problem is that it's not clear how much AI they actually used and that they lied about it. So it could be anything from a few assets to large parts of the game soundtrack, writing and art assets being made with AI.
>>728987739>Cost 10 million (allegedly)>Was funded by a corp> Astroturfed to hell>IndieThat being said, I don't give a fuck about using AI to make games. AI helps me do my job more efficiently nowadays.>>728989923Found the faggot journalist.
>>728993026>To deny this is to deny that last 2+ decades of trends.Strong AI that's good for programming has only been around since the end of last year. Right now, AI is better than 80% of all coders, which is causing a lot of seethe.>>728993112Despite the AI use (which nobody noticed), it was liked like crazy and won every award there was to win. The implications are huge for coder fags.
>>728992628Self-published and under a certain budget ceiling. No I don't have that exact number off hand but the spirit of the idea is obvious there.
>>728987848Good morning sar.
>>728988017>spainBut why?
>>728993173>why does the brownest country in europe like AI?
impossible to have discussion on this contrarian faggot boardeven while loser nigs get fucked by the rising cost of PC gaming, they'll still pretend to not be against AI for contrarianism
Cuck awards confirmed. Shouldn't have included this non indie in the first place and now moral grandstanding.
>>728987667Good. There is no such thing as ethical or acceptable AI use in game development.
>>728988017I'm French, I never see people using chat gpt either at work or in my social circles but I know a few who are forced to use it at work because corporate forces them to and they fucking hate it.They say 12k - 60k respondents from 18 - 64 yo but I have huge fucking doubts about their numbers.
>>728988060When did the Blue Prince devs said that used AI?
>>728993219>AI fucked my mom
>>728988178Dorito Pope awards has zero credibility also.
>if you're for ai, you get called a street shitter>if you're against ai, you get called a trannylol
>>728987667This really reads like they needed an excuse to ban E33 from the contest but didn't feel like stepping into the discussion on whether or not the game even counts as indie.
>>728988060I found the article but is this even legit? The only source I can find for Blue Prince using AI... is this article which provides no evidence for it.https://www.escapistmagazine.com/news-indie-game-awards-clair-obscur/
>>728993275imagine making an award show for a classification you can't even define. tranny show
>>728993112its obvious that they used more ai than "just one placeholder image" otherwise they would have been upfront about it, because one or a few completely temporary placeholder images do not matter.
>>728990882lmfao
>>728987739mmm huge fake tiddiez
>>728991412>I use AI every day and I'm an engineer at Google
>>728993270yeah i can see why people hate 4chan. half of the threads on here are shills aggressively pushing psyops
>>728993328>it's obvious! >why?>...because it just is!
>>728993154>Strong AI that's good for programming has only been around since the end of last yearSo you're saying access to a newer model that is thoughtfully implemented by competent management in companies? I ask you again where you've been for the last two decades.
>>7289933504chan is not for the weak. You are either mentally strong enough to enter no win situations and have a good time or you aren't.
>>728993350the weak of mind leave or are driven insane. not my problem.
>>728993154why don't you use AI to write your arguments for you, as your horrendous engrish makes your samefagging too obvious
>>728993154>Strong AI that's good for programming has only been around since the end of last yearaccording to who?Right now, AI is better than 80% of all coders, which is causing a lot of seetheLook, you can't import half a billion jeets into the west just to use them for metrics like that>which nobody noticedAh, you glow
>>728987943i just hate it for the hoarding of RAM, i use Chat GPT regularly if i need some extra information on a topic.
>>728992346Shhh just do the opposite of what the trannies do and don't ask questions, ok?
>>728993350it's boring man90% of threads is somebody throwing out the tranny buzzword and the other 10 is just retards
>>728993173Berber blood
>>728993154It won so much because it is a massive industry plant.
>>728992737Here goes
>>728993420tranny should've been wordfiltered years ago but this place sucks
>>728988146If gameplay was the sole component of a game that mattered, you wouldn't need to have a term to describe that aspect of it in the first place. You're basically inherently proving games are more than just the content of their gameplay by saying gameplay at all.
>>728987667I don't care about any game awards and I don't care if AI is getting used to create video games
>>728993350Forget X. 4chan is going to be ground zero for Dead Internet.
Trannies or AI slop not really sure what's worse honestly
>>728993154>Strong AI that's good for programming has only been around since the end of last year.I know you intentionally put a qualifier in there that is subjective to your own personal opinion so you can't lose but your statement is obviously false anyway. Early tools like IBM's Watson was helping with basic code generation in the 90's and any coder worth their salt who's been around the block will remind you that truly advanced AI coding assistants have been around since 2008 with programs like GitHub Copilot. AI has been helping coders for longer than most posters here have been alive.
>>728993492you for being a fucking faggot
Geoff condemned Guillaume Broche and his game with the NEXT GUY curse by giving him so many awards. He is gonna experience a level of scrutiny that will expose all the skeletons in his closet.
>>728993370I have no idea what your point is. My point is that AI images win art competition and AI games gaming awards and that AI is superior to most human output.>>728993390>according to who?me, your better>Ah, you glowIt only came out now or why was the award withdrawn? Clearly people loved it and only seethed as soon as they found out that superior intelligence (artificial) was being used.
>>728993450People would just use any of a dozen other words. Mods would need to aggressively ban people who won't shut the fuck up about trannies and they are incapable of doing far less than that.
>>728993541retardmaking suggestions when whatever program you're using detects something might be wrong isn't the same thing as something filling in everything by itself, unassisted
>>728993328It would definitely explain why large parts of the soundtrack sound so generic and why so much of the environment looks like Midjourney,
>>728993541>Early tools like IBM's Watson was helping with basic code generationlol clueless faggot
>>728993591Yep, falling back on your subjective qualifier to deny that ai has been helping programmers write code for decades. Knew this would be your response. It doesnt count because I said so.
>>728993576>It only came out nowYes, you being a glownigger came out in this thread which didn't exist before today. Maybe you should ask your bosses in tel-aviv for a raise.
E33 sisters.... AI sisters... why does everyone hate us?
>game awards faggotry finally ends for the year>brownoids on /v/: lol nope, here's another game awards by even more faggots we despise (but very deeply care about their opinions for some reason) to make dozens of threads about again
>Indie shovelware humble bundle trash awards>actual good game is refused entryI don't really see the problem.
>>728993576>AI is superior to most human outputMost humans don't do most things. AI is not better than a good artist or a good writer, it is just a large average of whatever artists its fed, and it must be fed many many many pieces of art and works of writing. AI is statistically an average of the giant dataset that you give it and then a human can touch up the product in the end if they want to and improve it if it's not up to snuff.
>>728993663Funny how he is gonna destroy CBS, Paramount and TikTok in the process.
>>728993447kino
>>728987667>blue princeliterally who the game
>>728993721The underlying problem with AI art is that's slop, as you said it just averages out and has no creative mind of their own. Just gives pleasing images that look generic and inhuman.
>>728993721>AI is not better than a good artist or a good writer, inot how it works
>>728993696E33 won the most awards of all time, and is loved by everyone who played the game.the 10 spammers on /v/ don't change that.
>>728993112>The underlying problem is that it's not clear how much AI they actually used and that they lied about it.They didn't though?Sandfall admitted in interview back in iirc June or July that they used generative AI during production for several assets in the game. Those though, have apparently been patched out over time and replaced with real ones. And there was never an intent to actually have them remain in the final product. As such, they also didn't lie when being registered as a nominee and being asked if E33 used AI assets. By the best of Sandfall's knowledge, it didn't. Not anymore. Meanwhile the Indie Game Awards now stripped them of the award in a way that publicly humiliates them and tarnishes their name. And in return are assigning their "game of the year" category to a game that *also* used generative AI, for some of its background art assets, which never was forthcoming about it, and which *still* actually has them in the damn game in its shipping state.Sandfall should sue the IGA for slander and malfeasance and take the fuckers down a peg.
>>728993808i've never seen a shittier forced game in recent times than that one
>>728993823i've never seen a panel of judges that wasn't completely retarded and knew the full details of what they were judgingjust like TGA
>>728993285grok confirmed it
>>728993752>destroyhe'll get bailouts until the entire us economy collapses. As you've seen with the kike shill ITT, chutzpah levels are off the charts. They can totally put a known israeli spy as CEO of CBS, AND push said spy interviewing netanyahu via the algorithm and you TOTALLY WONT NOTICE GOY.
>>728993821The biggest issue with what AI ends up producing is that people who care about art are largely doing art, so people who are left that want to do art but don't want to put in the work don't know as much about art themselves and don't want to take the time to learn.>>728993823That is fundamentally how gen AI works. It takes in very large data sets and what it spits out must draw from those data sets. Ask yourself how much data a model needs, and ask yourself how many artists are out there that you would consider truly good or skilled. By its very nature, AI will not be better than an artists that is better than the average of the data it is fed, and it must be fed too much data to be truly choosy.
>>728993821>>728993873oh no human sisters...>Experiment 1 revealed a significant preference for AI-generated artworks. Without being provided with any information about the origin/authorship of the artworks, participants in the preference task indicated they preferred the AI-generated artworks significantly more often than the human-made artworks (AI-preference scores significantly above 50% chance-level) [t(126)=5.39, p<0.001, d=0.48; Figure 2B].https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2024.1497469/full
>>728987667Test
>>728994007>most people have shit taste and know nothing about artWhat's new? Ask those same people about their opinions about racism or jews and they'll answer in ways that would make you discount any opinion they have entirely.
>>728993823The prompter didn't mention he used AI. Judges can appreciate intricate detail because it takes a lot of effort and time for a human. If they knew it was generated with no effort they may have used different criteria for judging the art. Also this is years old.
>>728987667Blue prince literally uses ai generated levels, are these people retarded?
>>728994074>? Ask those same people about their opinions about racism or jews and they'll answer in ways that would make you discount any opinion they have entirely.People with false opinions are overrepresented in the anti-AI camp though.>>728994091So AI art is better, but only worse because it was created by AI not by humans, so much for slop.Oh I soooooooooooo love AI.
>>728994091>judges can appreciate intricate detail because it takes a lot of effort and timeNext you're going to tell me that the Sistine chapel wouldn't have been as impressive if the painters could have printed out the art after it was AI-generated and used hydraulic lifts to have them put in place.
>>728994120Levels as in environment art? Did the dev admit to using it? I've seen the E33 AI but not Blue Prince's sloppa yet.
>>728994171>false opinionshave you ever tried, idk, not being jewish?
>>728993450>tranny wants to be protected while attacking everyone else.checks out.
>>728987667why didnt they just disqualify it for not being an indie game instead?
>>728994171>People with false opinions are overrepresented in the anti-AI camp though.People with opinions about jews and racism that would make you discount any other opinion they had are massively over represented in your average person that someone would take off the street for a study like that. As in normalfags that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. You will point to the opinions of these know-nothing retards when it's convenient to you as if the consensus of such idiots isn't a point against your argument. You think those normalfags have opinions on rap music on average too that would make you take their taste in art seriously?
>>728994201Nothing is impressive that has massive brownoid support, yid. You and the rest of the unwashed masses have no idea what creation means in the first place.
>>728994265Why would you do that when you can grandstand about being anti-AI instead?
>>728987943this picture is perfect to represent the anti-AI fag in the dall-e threads
>>728987667Kek roasties and troons hella mad.
>>728993839>June or July thaSo after the game came out and got caught using AI without disclosing it.
>>728994356Because they look like massive idiots. But any attention is better than no attention, to trannies.
>>728994334Take your DIP pics somewhere else, man.
>>728994334I don't care who supports something. The right or wrong people also liking or hating something does not change my own opinion about it. That's pathetic and you would have to be cattle to let that alter your opinion about art.
>>728993285Escapist Magazine literally fired all their employees and replaced them with AI.
>>728994171Better is subjective. I'm more impressed with somebody sculpting a statue with marble then I am seeing it 3d printed. If the judges used effort as a criteria under false pretenses then it's no different than lying to the judge saying it took you 10 years to make a painting using only your feet.
>>728994410Take your hebrew ass out of my plane of existence, mohel
AI is shit in everything except the medical field and that's a fact, pretty much all sentiment reflects that cause so far it's done absolutely nothing of value outside the medical field
>>72899400790% of social experiments cannot be replicated.
>>728994436>That's pathetic and you would have to be cattle to let that alter your opinion about artnice pilpul of you to think that was my argument, IDF
>>728994498>AI is shit in everything except the medical field and
>>728994329AI art is simply better than anything "real" artists have to offer – a simple fact that I can observe myself.
>>728994574Okay sar.
>>728992346That is the most effective weapon corpos have. Make "the other side" hate thing, so (You) start supporting it.Some on the right-wing it works on especially with bitcoin and nfts as it was way to make money no matter how unethical they were. Sadly like 99.999% of NFT stuff was scams and 95% of different crypto as well were rugpulls. Like the whole "Trump coin" fiasco. Whole marketing was for right-wing, and the people who voted him as president got scammed. Idpol is so fucking effective way for rich to become richer, and use poor people to defend them. Want to tax rich people more and have anti-monopoly laws like before "trickle down economics"? Well that's communism and look how leftists wants to teach about transgender stuff in school and take away your cars(a lie)! Be angry at them! Not the rich!Like even stuff like "could we add additional 1% tax on people who have like over $100 million dollar in money and assets? Anf maybe 2% more tax on people with over 1 billion dollars?" is turned into some idpol shitshow and accused to be communism.It is strange. People are starving and have no jobs because line goes up but any solution is considered communism and it is always turned into "left vs right" issue.
>>728994532You said "nothing is impressive that has massive brownoid support". I'm telling you that you shouldn't give a fuck who does or doesn't support something related to art when forming your own opinion. If that makes you angry then it probably touches a nerve more than you'd like.
>>728993121Indie doesn't mean cheap or not funded.
>clout chasing literal who award gets some clicks>gives goty to a game that has AI generated assets as part of the game.
>>728994662>Indie doesn't mean cheapTo you. It doesn't have a scientific definition so it's up to consensus and most people connect indie games with being lower budget.
>>728994574>AI art is simply betterall AI art is limited to specific designs that scream "hey I'm made with AI".if you actually want this for vidya (you don't, you don't even play vidya because you're paid to be here) you are worse than ue5 shills.
>>728994478I'm not a jew, I just recognize that you're posting DIP.
>>728987667Doesn't matter whether you like it or not, AI is here to stay.
>>728987848>>728987943saar...
Man e33 really buck broke the brains of all the tranime worshipers
>>728994709>all AI art is limited to specific designs that scream "hey I'm made with AI".That's not true.
>Provides nothing of value and hasn't since OpenAi's inception>Has literally made zero profit>Takes all the resources>Is currently making things more expensive for everybody, PC parts, water, electricity>"Yeah i'm gonna defend that"brain damage, seek professional help
>>728994693>lie about not using AI>lie about being an indie studioThe established pattern means that they are still lying.
>>728994645>doubles down on arguing against a point I never madeHey buddy I just realized you never addressed this post>>728993008how come? Also how's the weather in tel-aviv? Or are you one of those eglin yids?
>>728994784>a JRPG broke anime worshippersHmmmmmmmmHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmInteresting thought there.
>>728987667why do you guys never give news sources?Yes I know it's fake but why not at least make a fake news source? duckroll was a better time.
>>728987667>over use of AIis this bot thread or typical american reading comprehension?
>>728994784can you say something that doesn't include the same parroted opinion 500 times
>>728994730So are microtransactions but I don't play anything with them either. I will not engage with parts of this industry that do certain things even if that makes you shit your pants. Some games will be made with things that exclude my patronage, and AI is one of those things.
>>728994707Fucking braid, did cost 200000$ to make.What most people consider indie is fucking idiotic.
>>728994805>>It literally made 90% of all of humanity's intellectual achievements obsolete.Fixed this for you. Almost everyone is dumber than an AI; only geniuses like me are still smarter than it.
>>728994825Your criteria for something not being impressive is having massive brownoid support. I said that the support of the right or wrong people shouldn't form your opinion. Fucking retard.
>>728994876200k is not 10million
>>728994824they didn't lie about it if they literally said it in an interview. Blue Prince however has AI assets that were intended to be in the game.
>>728994876>200000$Why did you put the dollar sign at the end? Did you forget to put it at the front because in your head you put "dollars" at the end of a number?
>>728994828>>728994849Case in point
>>728987667>use assets packs made by some slave in asia>no problem>use ai>disqualifiedI need someone to explain why assets packs are not viewed like ai? Do people think indie devs do everything by hand alone like some artisans?
>>728994917It can do things other people can already do, but faster and unreliably. Wow.
>>728994949you're so fucking retarded dude
>>728992346Go ahead and post those articles, should be easy
>>728994921>Your criteriasays you, for the third time. We get it, you're ESL. maybe ask your beloved chatgpt for help with this one?
No one gives a fuck
>>728992581dumb fuck political faggots like you love making everything about politics cause you're literally braindead
>>728994498outside the image generation or generative answer fields*
>>728995024And yet you posted in this thread. Curious.
>>728994972Faster AND better.
>>728987739If kikexpedition33 isn't indie, then neither is Hades which had even more money behind it.
>>728994940You out currency sign at the number. I'm not fat so I don't adhere to their standards.
>>728994949and they patched it out quicklynothingburger
>>728995075Interesting. It's like you had a stroke at the start of your post, then miraculously recovered when you wrote the latter half.
>>728995092have you tried simply not making something if your assets aren't finished yet and shipping it like that?
>>728994709>all AI art is limited to specific designs that scream "hey I'm made with AI".>he doesn't knowanon, it all depends on the user's knowledge but 99% of people using AI are retards
>>728994994You can just say you misspoke or you realized that you were a massive retard. It's an anonymous imageboard, people won't even remember unless you keep being stupid in a similar way for a while. Either way concession accepted, last reply you get from me.
>>728995171>4th timeI'll give you a hint since you're so bad at this: correlation != causationI'm shocked you didn't asking your beloved chatgpt. What's wrong?
>>728995165The retard is always the end user who gets fooled by AI.
>>728995125Is this the new brown cope angle?
>>728995053This thread is one of the handfuls of spergs who hate expedition 33 because it was massively successful. Many such cases on modern 4cvck
>>728995269Using Epstein to deflect from more important issues is something everyone does, regardless of ideology.
>>728995165>he doesn't knowI know>but 99% of people using AI are retardsIncluding shills and gamedevs pushing for this shit
>>728994334That article, this shit need to stop.It doesn't help with inclusivity at all it just trying to replace history with a lie.
>>728991968Kek I beat Google. Fuck you.
>>728995123not how it works, try making anything complex yourself while having milestones and deadlinesbottom line is, they did everything right and quickly patched it - another win for E33 devs
>>728987667Thou Shalt Not Make a Machine in the Likeness of a Human Mind.
>>728994949Asset packs are looked down on. They are called asset flips and often times devs use them as is without giving them an art pass to fit with the rest of the game.
>>728995125>Epstein was a great man and pussy slayer>So E33 is good also.It makes no sense, but I am sympathetic. Epstein's beautiful face always brings me a smile.
>>728994949>no problem>I haven't been around these last 10 yearsyeah, we get it
>>728995535*cunny slayer
>we're going to retroactively take your awards away!So? Got the exposure & marketing that translate in to sales. Who cares about awards? nobody can even tell you what gaems won those awards last year. look: "We took away Expedition 33's awards!" See? Nobody cares.
>>728987667SAAAR DO NOT REDEEMWE ARE GIVE ISRAEL 33 FULL SARPART!
>>728987667You caused thisAre you freaking happy y'all?
>>728993121>Astroturfed to hellStill haven't heard a good explanation for why every AAA game isn't astroturfed in the same way if a small indie studio could afford it. Maybe E33 is simply a great game people liked and want to talk about?
>>728995673>Nobody careskek sure buddy come here and tell that to /v/ when we saw half the catalog flooded by AI threads after the news. you shills care more about this shit than anyone.
Transdes 2 lost to this so I will clap like a seal
>>728995805Big studios are out of touch and don't know how to astroturf.
>>728995862I'm sure that they're crying themselves to sleep over winning 49 GotY awards instead of 50.
>Sandfall presents E33 as being about painting, writing and artists>Uses gen AI to create itTells you everything you need to know about this fraud of a games company
>>728995902This. AAA studios just go the "let's sue everybody" route anyway like shitendo, or "eat the cost and hide our shame" like snoy.doesn't matter either way, shills beloved ai is going to price us all out of vidya soon enough
>luddite lefties mad againdo they ever stop being mad
>>728987667What a clown show
>>728995862Trannies are no one.
>>728995996>they're>n-no I meant the DEVs don't care, obviously not the goyim on /v/HAHAHAHAHA you cannot make this shit up, they're really not sending their best. Try again you dumb niggerhttps://x.com/gothburz/status/2002461764944847293
>>728995902They still have marketing departments that are at least half-competent. If astroturfing on this level was feasible and increased profits, everyone would be doing it. In reality, it's not feasible because it would require dozens of people to be on call 24/7 and would need to be maintained indefinitely, even after the game stops selling. And even then, if the game was actually bad, a few dozen shills couldn't keep up with millions of legitimate customers who say the game is shit.
>>728996318shill elsewhere, biological male.
>>728996318>all that reddit spacingNot reading.
>>728996361You first, moshe. Also, kinda gives it away that you're a shill because you stick with a thread despite being shot down time and time again. Normal spergs here won't do that unless they're making a SOMEWHAT salient point. You can take that one back to your think tank, it's on me.
>>728996474>reddit spacingYou don't belong here. Reddit spacingIs this.NotThisTry again
>>728996565I'm talking about the post, retardbro
>>728987667Ah! E33, the game that broke trannies...They can't fucking sleep!
>>728990714>Funny how on release everyone called it AAWhich is still very generous
>>728996318I can't tell if he's trying to tell a joke or not. Too fucking long. Get AI to fix it.
>>728996516keep grasping at straws, none of them will turn you in to a woman.
>>728996690>I complain about a xitter post being a reddit post>on 4chan/v/this is fucking gold, please keep digging yourself into a hole telling us you belong here
how do i proompt my own goty
>>728996793>you're grasping at strawsand you've conveniently ignored every post ITT that you have no rebuttal for. Try again.
>>728996884Still not reading your slop, tourist. Cry about it.
>>728987848Top kek
>>728996905>hey chatgpt write me a full pacman game in vulkansupposedly it's smarter than 90% of programmers, it should be able to do that
>>728996931you will never be a woman
>>728996932>your slopDamn, the AI bot is so buckbroken he's using our words now
>>728997025you will never be taken seriously
>>728987667>over use of AIBut the game doesn't have AI assets in it.
>>728994876>Fucking [indie game] did cost [1/50th of this """"indie"""" game's budget (if generously assuming the $10M isn't a lie)] to make.Wow, I guess slop33 must really be indie after all.
>>728987943>THE SCIENCE SAYS
>>728987667Spiritually Israeli game
>>728996905Get a rich Dad
>>728987667>Got old enough to see my generation turn into old men screaming at cloudsThe fact that so many progressives are specifically reactionary when it comes to AI is hilarious to me on so many levels. Not heckin change! This is like really scary...
>>728988178>as much value as me declaring my gotySo much more since it actually has a non-zero chance to deserve it, unlike Geoff's circlejerk nominees.
Anti AI fags are shooting themselves in the foot exactly like trannies did, no wonder since they are basically the same people.Pretending all these great games used AI will make normalfags go "Yeah AI is fucking great now".
>>728987667how about disqualifying for being a fake indie game
Use of AI as part of placeholder makes 0 sense for a ban, if it was not AI it would have been some random picture or a texture from the unreal asset store.The big question around AI is if it is used in a way that erase people's job for a worse product, but considering the asset was always meant to use real art, there's no harm.They should've been disqualified for not being indie, as most of their money comes from Kepler Interactive
>>728987667I have never seen a more manufactured outrage than whatever the fuck is going on with AI and Sandfall/Larian.
>>728996932>your slop>I know we were arguing that devs don't care about losing GoTY>wait you linked the head e33 Dev bitching about it? And he double line breaks each sentence?>REDDITSLOP >REDDITSLOP>REDDITSLOP>REDDITSLOPIt's like you're not even trying
>>728997154Some change is bad. NFTs were bad.
>>728987667It's that the award show run by LITERAL trannies?
>>728997295>It's thatBrown ESL.
>>728996358>>728995805The use of AI botting only became really big and was tested out by several scientists and marketing firms this year. You also need to have a halfway decent game, otherwise too many people will call its lies out right away. No one in my gaming circle even touched or really saw anything from in the game itself outside me and i dropped it like 3h? in myself. Pirated just to try and its really average and worse than most ps2 era jrpg to me. Also despite all the felating it only sold 5 mil in a year, while being multiplatform.
>>728996318Holy fuck I'm not reading all thatWasn't Twitter made to have posts as short as a text message?
>>728997261>Everything I don't like is manufactured
>>728997359Did she died?
anti-AI retards are so blinded by their convictions they don't even notice they're such a small minority. monthly active users of AI has continually gone up and will continue to do so until saturation point. almost everyone is using AI
>>728997154It’s an objectively bad change. Here’s a hint: when all the kike corpos and all the kike media are insisting over and over that you want something, you want it, you have to want it, it’s the best and everyone wants it, they love it, they want it, and you love it, and you want it, use it use it use it use it use itYou should not use it.If it was a good idea they wouldn’t be desperately trying to make it mandatory.
>>728996358They don't just post on forums directly. They pay influencers to market the game for them. Like with the Oblivion remaster. Everyone played that shit for a week and then dropped it.
>>728997478Grok is this real?
>>728995805What the fuck are you talking about AAA companies astroturf all the time. You really think any actual anon on /v/ had a positive opinion of Asscreed Black Samurai?
>>728997281NFTs were a change from what to what?
>>728997445>Why are two of the biggest and succesful RPGs suddenly being bombed for using AI, especially following the Game Awards where one of them broke the record for most awards given?>Surely this is genuine.
>>728997103Science is so cool
How long before we look back on the anti-AI brigade with same disdain as humanity looks back on the ludites throwing their shoes into looms?
>>728996361>>728996474>>728996790>>728997394>4 replies by bot>all shitting on the e33 lead dev's xitter formatting>the guy said bot is arguing in favor ofyou GLOW. Everyone can see you a mile away. You've been blown tf out so many times in this thread your gaping anus is bigger than goatse. Please, keep arguing in favor of AI, its hilarious.
>>728997478I don't use Facebook but isn't it full of nothing but AI slop and bots now? Grim future.
Anti AI people will look really dumb over time. It's a tool like any other design tool.
But generative AI has only been useable for, what, 20 months? 2023's AI looks like a pile of shit.
>>728997621>e33 lead devWait, are you pretending the dude who started his post with "I'm an E33 lead dev" is actually a lead dev? So you also haven't actually read the post then
>>728997621I'm now convinced this is an op to promote AI by having the most retarded people imaginable be against it.
>>728997578...an attempted change where NTF's would be the norm where they weren't before? Are you retarded?
>>728997645yeah, think of it as the starship computer from Star Trek.
>>728987739OH N-
>>728997704The post is nonsensical. Try to decode it.
>>728997614Do you actually have disdain for the luddites though? I don’t.
>>728987667Will you EVER stop seething? How is possibile to have this continuous butthurt?
>>728987943>>>>The fake made up gender people who make up identities and sexual orientations despise the fake robots that make up stupid, ugly things like they doOH I AM LAFFIN'
>>728997812>brown people can't understand wordsMany such cases.
>>728997862You didn't read it
>>728987667>game is great>"A-ACTUALLY, THEY USED AI IN THE DEVELOPMENT!"So? It doesn't make the game any less great. Is this the biggest case of sour grapes gamedevs ever put out?
>>728989064>wholesomereddit ruins everything
>>728993839>Sandfall should act like every big corpo sue the IGA for stating inconvenient truths about themNot helping with those industry plant allegations.
>>728997486>If it was a good idea they wouldn’t be desperately trying to make it mandatoryThat's what people said about the internet in general like 25 years ago. Face it. You've become the angry old man yelling at clouds.
>>728997938It's slop, anon. You're eating slop. If I found out my burger was made of pig's feet I'd spit it out, not order more.
>>728997938It's a 7/10, and could have been a generational classic if they didn't shit it up with AI
>>728997938>So? It doesn't make the game any less great.No different from finding out a company consulted with Sweet Baby Inc. Sometimes you just have to say “no” to something.
>>728997682>Wait, are you pretendingNo, that would be chatgpt KEK
The extremely inorganic anti AI shit in the past weeks must have been engineered by AI companies. There is nothing better you could have done to make AI acceptance more widespread than showing Anti AI group are just thinly veiled trannies.
>>728997938They believe that if they make enough hitpieces, you'll go out and buy AC Shadows instead.
>>728998014Which part is AI?
>>728997668LLMs are no better than they were at the start. Be honest.
>>728997359>AI bottingStill expensive unless you want to get ratelimited to hell. And AI is also ridiculously easy to detect. The game still needs to be as good as the bots are saying or people (more than a couple schizos) will call it out.>>728997514In that case the game still needs to be good on its own merits or everyone who played it will shit on it.
>>728998059All the textures, and the story
>>728998020The difference is that no game that had SBI involvement is remotely good.
>>728998023So what percentage of the game is AI according to him chatGPT?
>>728998123Source?
>>728997997There is no rule stating that slop can't surpass the handcrafted.
>>728998150>>728996318
>>728992628so if you have no money and get bankrolled by Larry Fink in exchange for making your game gay and pozzed and also a small % ownership, and the money is taken away and you go bankrupt if you refuse other people's orders... THAT qualifies as "independent"?
>>728997668I've been enjoying AI slop ever since it first started making big titted Da Vinci knock offs in late 2022.
>>728987667>literal who has an opinionso what
>>728998174You should take a look through that guy's xeets before you embarrass yourself
>>728993447Funny and well argumented but I feel like it's reading a bit too much into that typo.
>>728997997There is worse shit in your burgers than pig's feet, but no one's told you to be mad about it so you don't care.
>>728998212Nice self awareness.
>>728997980Nobody ever hated the internet. My whole life I’ve been perfectly happy “seeing the feature”. I immediately understood why the internet was useful. I immediately understood why smart phones were useful. I immediately understood why DVRs were useful, and then after that I immediately understood why streaming platforms were useful. I was an early cord-cutter on cable TV and home phone. I’ve watched emerging vidya technology with enthusiasm for the most part (though I still think RTX is a meme). I was in on BTC back when it was $125 a coin (no I’m not wealthy, I only mined a little and I sold off VERY early, but I’ve been watching the tech) And I have a pretty good idea when something is retarded slop tech that nobody wants, but your kike overlords are desperate to shove on you.NFTs? Trash tech. Cloud gaming? Trash tech. Gen slop? Trash tech.I can smell from a mile away when the only “features” are ones that benefit the fucking oligarchs and the rest is them trying to con you into participating.Keep your slop away from my media. Go slop up movies you fucking jews, nobody watches that shit anymore anyway. Go Gen AI some new Marvel shit.
>>728987667can't say I'm too surprised, the game has pretty strong not crafted by hand vibes
>>728998329Because the internet and smartphones predated you
>>728997621ywnbaw
>>728998329Nice to show you age you underage newfag, people cried for years when Valve made steam and it required an internet connection
>>728997938>Is this the biggest case of sour grapes gamedevs ever put out?Remember when Baldur's Gate III released and major AAA developers immediately instructed their journo lapdogs to put out pieces like "W-well actually, it's impossible to reach this level of quality"?This feels similar.
>>728998439>you age
>>728998374I’m 37.
it's like the war against smartphone users all over again, people don't like change and they'd ostracize those responsible if they could. history repeats itself.
>>728998439I believe it but I was playing primarily on consoles until about 2010 so I never really experienced that issue. Also that’s hardly a commentary on the internet in general.
>>728998497And at the end of the day, if you did have your finger on the pulse of tech fads and could predict what would fail or succeed, you'd be rich and not shitposting here.
>>728997997What if the recipe for that burger was changed and instead of pigs feet, it was served with the highest quality wagyu beef?
Well at least games will be cheaper and bigger thanks to AI handling parts of the workload... Right?
>>728997938I'm having a fun time reading the 2chan cope thread.>ぶっちゃけこのゲームのストーリーが絶賛されるならFF16も似たようなストーリーだから絶賛されてないとおかしいはずだからな>Honestly, if this game's story is getting rave reviews, then FF16 should be getting rave reviews too since it has a similar story. It'd be weird if it wasn't.
>>728987667>literal who makes controversial statement for free marketing>/v/ gobbles it up and spreads the word everywhereEvery time.
>>728998587I didn’t say I was an expert in identifying tech trends, I said I was an expert at sniffing out exploitative kikery. This shit is horse armor, this shit is paid mods, this shit is loot crates. This is being foisted on you by people who hate you and want to take advantage of you, remove your tongue from their crusty anus for a second and think.
>>728998587Not him but investment is a rich person's game. If you know something will double its value and you only have $1000 to place then you've only made $1000.
AI shills have failed to convince people to embrace AI, especially since it started driving up hardware pricesSo they've switched to a new tactic: false flagging to make anti-AI sentiment sound ridiculous, and muddying the waters by pretending there's no difference between a couple of temporary placeholder posters and intentional, widespread AI useBoth of these tactics make me even more determined to reject AI
>>728998710>horse armor, this shit is paid mods, this shit is loot crates.Everyone hated these, and now they're inescapable and widespread
>>728987667>indie game awardsWho?
>>728998630Wagyu beef makes a terrible hamburger, good A5 is like 60% fat, there’s nothing left after you cook it it basically just crumbles into unseasoned taco meat. You don’t grind wagyu beef you idiot. Unless you’re a moron who hears a term he associates with “quality” and says “say no more boss shit that right on my plate and take my money!” Which come to think of it seems to he how you consume media as well. So, good food analogy I guess.
>>728998329>Nobody ever hated the internet>Me me me >I I IAre you really so egocentric that you assume your opinions represents that of the entirety of humanity? Most people in tech dont hate AI and view it as just a streamlining tool to get anything done. That's all AI is. Its a tool. You're being a luddite
>>728998740The only use for AI is pornography, which is something they're actively clamping down on. AI could be great, but it's being used wrong, and my anti-AI-isms is opposing that.
>>728998685Come on, surely the japs realize that people want turn-BASED games
>>728998758Yep. And that future looms with this slop factory shit as well. Which is why you won’t catch my ass defending it for a microsecond. I will clown on it at every opportunity and mock anyone who uses it in even the tiniest amounts. No compromise between food and poison. Fuck off with your slop.
>>728998807>unironically decided to post a ramble regarding nothing that doesn't address the questionI accept your concession.
>>728998685I only played FF16, but is that true?I loved it and think it's under-represented, but it wouldn't be so amazing as to be glazed as much as E33 is either.If they are literally the same quality of story telling, well, I might want to check out E33, but i'll also be more certain now it's just overglazed.
>>728997582Yeah? That's what happens when you put yourself into the spotlight
If AI usage is really such a nothingburger as people say then why are companies so against disclosing it?
>>728998497You're 37? Congrat grandpa you've officially reached the age where personality and experience is so crystallized that change is actually anathema to you. When digital art first became a thing it was seen as trash, something cheapening the value of hart by its mere existence whether it came to animation or editing. When photography first emerged in the 19th century artists complained that thr camera would destroy painting and drawing as an art form. People uses to think any kind of movie was the fall of humanity. That's you right now. You're the dude who thinks electiticty will exterminate mankind
>>728998880They aren't very similar. FFXVI has a lot of different nations fighting each other. E33 is one family fighting each other.
>>728998849The vast majority of them are corporate bootlickers. Extra points if it's a Japanese studio.If SE says turn-based RPGs are over and DMC clones are in then they'll nod their heads collectively.
>>728998967Definitely. There’s zero shot this is all a giganting multi-billion dollar hole in the ground that tech retards pour money into because they believe they can fire all their workers and replace them with robots. No shot a stick of RAM costs $1000 right now because Sam Altman wants to build a machine that will tell him how it plans to make itself profitable. No, this is just painters being mad about photography!I’m not buying it, Ranjesh. You aren’t earning your shilling rupee for the day. Try harder.
>>728991162I don't understand people calling E33 "UE slop" when every other games I played recently using the engine was way more identifiable as yet another lazy UE game, and not only visually but basically playing like a template—a bunch of them! Nonetheless, isn't the point of an engine to provide assets and tools as to facilitate development? There are always visual cues between games using the same engine that are dead giveaways to begin with…AI gen will eventually take over—and that's a good thing—allowing devs to further differentiate their games amongst other things.
>>728998915>then why are companies so against disclosing it?Because intellectual property laws have been maliciously abused by other companies for decades and no corpo wants to deal with the headache that another corpo will eventually make for them if they think an AI ripped off some small portion of their IP. That's really only for thr entertainment industry though. In IT you're expected to he using AI as an assistant already. Nobody cares if the network engineer uses AI to help streamline and monitor his shit as long as everything is working
>>728999208You can’t fool me, you wrote this post by hand and you’re just trying to make it look like ChatGPT output
>>728987667I dont think 33 is terrible but Blue Prince is absolutely incredible, puzzles inside puzzles inside puzzles. It absolutely deserves it.
>>728987667Ah! E33, the game that traumatized /v/...
>>728987667Based human supremacists
>>728997087>Indie is when it's cheap200k is cheap according to /v/ tards.
>>728999228>In IT you’re expectedAnd everyone hates it. People have had these “tools” shoved on them by upper management who were sold a line about productivity increases so now everyone is required to use AI to summarize meetings and other retarded shit in a desperate bid to convince anyone it’s worthwhile.
>>728999208>allowing devs to further differentiate their gamesAI can only replicate, not create, everything will become more stagnant and creatively bankrupt than it already is
>>728999316It's very cheap. That's a software engineer's salary for 2 years. Not even a high end one.
>>728999324That's mostly because the majority of programmers are retarded luddites who should have been fired ages ago.
>>728998685>check further>most of them don't know the TGAs and The Indie Game Awards are separate entitiesI'm surprised at how long Japan has managed to hoodwink the rest of the world into believing they were of above average intelligence. These guys rival the average internet cesspit in self-assured stupidity.
>>728999421Are you the Sanjit who took the entire internet down last month when he vibecoded a hotfix to Cloudflare’s codebase and knocked it offline, preventing access to the ChatGPT interface because it required Cloudflare, and had no idea how to get it back online?That shit was hilarious.
>>728987667>indie game awardssome fake tranny award trannies are mad because they can't groom AI on discord
Oh no, they lost an award from literal who because they used "the devils" tool AI, I'll cry myself to sleep now.Still my favorite game of all time.
>>728999092>No shot a stick of RAM costs $1000 right now because Sam Altman wants to build a machine that will tell him how it plans to make itself profitableIm sorry, the guy proud about getting in on bitcoin early is complaining about industry lead pressures affecting the price of hardware? You're fucking kidding me right? You're repeating the same thing that thr bitcoin doomers used to say about how it was all unsustainable?>because they believe they can fire all their workers and replace them with robotsAlready happened to a lot of manufacturing jobs, yet manufacturing is still around with the need for manual labor. If AI can do your job in its current low grade state then your job was fake to begin with and most modern jobs exist due to use changing the technology which runs this economy to begin with. You can cry about it or adapt. AI is already being used in my industry as a standard and all its done is lighten the work load a bit
>>728998967Dogshit comparison. Things like electricity or the loom made things cheaper, safer and increased quality of life for everyone involved. Gen AI costs billions of dollars in research, hardware and electricity to create a mimicry of human labour. There's no improvement here, only a further shift in power towards the elites.And for art no sane person ever thought photography or digital art would replace traditional methods. They were considered different categories from their Inception. AI however purposefully imitates those categories hence why AI shills are adamant about trying to hide their AI usage.
>>728999496>favorite game of all time.You can't be serious. All time? Really?
>>728999324>And everyone hates itNot in a lot of IT fields. Cybersecurtity and network engineering in specific have been having a field day with ai, its pretty much just the code monkeys that view AI as a threat despite the fact that it's really not and it's actually a valuable tool to streamline any work you need to get done since no matter what it generates or what you're trying to generate you have to proofread it anyways to make sure it works and that in itself is just a little less time consuming than typing it all out anyways.
>>728999513Be real anonThis is just a “they took er jerbs” moment for a lot of lefties
>>72899940370k for a year is median. 50k if you work for yourself is expected. You are full of shit and it shows.
>>728999374We, humans, "replicate" more often than we create completely new original work or style. The work we tend to produce is either dictated by guidelines or "inspiration". Again, our attempts at creating original ideas are more often than not lamer than AI generated ones. How many hundreds of slop games made are necessary for one gem to be produced?
>>728999487You're being retarded on purpose I assume, but AI for coding is genuinely useful and it's main use case. Not an AI girlfriend for mentally stunted incels and women.A good dev has AI speed his code the fuck up. That's all. I can generate entire components without writing everything from scratch and prototype architectures and performance metrics. It's genuinely useful. Only retards let it work blind, As an assistant that can actually index and evaluate your code, it's immensely useful and just an evolution of prior tools like Snippets and Intellisense which people used for decades.
>>728994824>lie about being an indie studioAn independent developer is independent in the sense that it retains sovereignty over decisions in the creative process.If Sandfall contracted a publisher to publish the game on their behalf, making use of their logistics infrastructure and industry contacts to save on costs, then their decisions remain independent - and they are legitly an indie.Even if Sandfall had external funding from a publisher, as long as that publisher treats it as a hands-off affair and let Sandfall retain full control over the actual development, they are STILL an indie.
>>728999504Bitcoin absolutely bubbled multiple times. The “mining rush” was 100% unsustainable, the people who called that out were correct. The market adapted on that but the gold rush era style consumption of hardware and power was absolutely fucking retarded.>Already happened to a lot of manufacturing jobs, yet manufacturing is still around with the need for manual labor.The difference is a 5-axis CNC machine is capable of precision that a human craftsman is not. It produces output of a far greater objective quality. That still doesn’t mean mass production is always good, a lot of mass production is retarded, that’s a different and very long conversation about how tax incentives shape transnational/multinational businesses to produce enormous waste because it can be offloaded as an externality onto the taxpayer.But it’s different with AI because it doesn’t make anything BETTER. Nobody is saying “it’s better than what a person could do from scratch, but at what cost?”, the most anyone can say about it is “it’s cheaper, and it’s mostly kinda good-enough if you squint”.
>>728987667>tranny game awardsOh noAnyways
>>728999648I made 115k at my last job as a tech artist. Depends on where you live. Cali is expensive.
>>728999704>A good dev has AI speed his code the fuck up.I’ll believe it when software ACTUALLY starts getting more optimized for the first time in 40 years.
Hmmm lets check what the anti-ai people are saying ITT.>It displaces jobsNot my problem.>It's only used for making porn.Then it's stopping young women from being exploited by making that job obsolete. This is a good thing.
>>728987667>indie-game-awardsWho cares?
>>728999704>AI can optimize your codespoken like a true poojeet SAAAAAAAAR
>>728999851AI porn sucks. It can’t even get that right.
>>728999513>And for art no sane person ever thought photography or digital art would replace traditional methods. They were considered different categories from their InceptionNo anon they weren't. People used to think that film was a meaningless trend that would fade away , Buster Keaton's family who were all old school vaudeville types thought he was crazy for pursuing a career in film vs his theater act. People said the same aboit video games. Anytime there is a major shift in technology there is an impulsive resistance to change some people always collectively have>hardware and electricity to create a mimicry of human labour.My dude. Its a tool. Its not replacing human labor anymore than the field of robotics already has. The only job fields AI is fucking with is voice acting and freelance digital art commissions and even then , like manufacturing, they're hardly going extinct. Everything else AI just streamlines work or acts as a monitor / proofreader for you to consider.
>>728999628Yeah I think it's a work of art, for jrpg's it's in a league of its own, chrono trigger used to be my favorite. I like crpg's as well but they are all way worse written/paced IMO, too much lore dumping, dialogue is never as engaging as it is in E33.
>>728999894Because the models aren't trained on raw sex. Even if the chink models can do nudity.
>>728987667OH NO NO NO AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>728999907Stop and ask yourself why, if this is such a useful tool that will make YOUR life so much easier, is it being given to you for free?Is it your experience that your overlords are magnanimous and charitable? Do you find they often choose to LOSE $200bn a year deficit-financing technology whose only purpose is to make your life better while charging you nothing? Do they put it into every internet search, IDE, OS desktop, phone, TV, refrigerator, etc., and charge you nothing, while constantly nagging you that it’s there and you should try it? For free? Out of the goodness of their hearts? Because they love you so much?
>>728994787the hands man, every time.
>>728998880As someone who played both, no.
Who cares? The Game Awards are the only award show that matters and has millions of views worldwide.E33 won all awards at Golden Joystick and 9 awards including GOTY at TGA.You can hate AI all you want but it's the future.Cope and Seethe
>>728987667If the game is good it doesn't matter if they used child labor. That doesychanhe the quality of the game
>>728987667I'm way past the stage of caring what retarded leftists think
>>728999907AI isn't a new form of media. The consumer gets the same experience for the same price except with inferior quality. I don't ever want to hear AI voices because I think sounds really bad. What benefit is there to customers?
AI is the future, almost every studio out there is using it and will use it.Imagine acting like a caveman and yelling at the new technologies that will make life better.
>>728999746>The market adapted on that but the gold rush era style consumption of hardware and power was absolutely fucking retarded.And it's going to adapt again lol, that's my entire point. People also thought that the internet was just gonna be over after thr dotcom bubble bursting too. We see this same pattern of doomerism everytime.>That still doesn’t mean mass production is always good, a lot of mass production is retardedYeah but like you're saying it's an issue of economic policies. Its not the fault of the CNC machine or any machine which streamlines manufacturing which is at fault for factories being incenitivized to over produce. Its the same with AI. AI slop isn't the fault of AI existing as a generative tool its bad economic policy that promotes AI slop. AI is just a tool, a tool that can be useful if applied correctly. >But it’s different with AI because it doesn’t make anything BETTERAI is mostly used to streamline your workflow in most cases, even when applied to the medical field like in surgery it's essentially just using machine learning to make the machines we've already been using more precise.
Did you guys see that show about the AI cult? One of the members tells the AI god he's having 2nd thoughts, then it starts writing his suicide note in front of him as someone comes up behind him. I thought that was pretty cool.
>>729000296Inferior quality? Maybe for now, but in the future it will be better than what any artist can produce and at lightspeed too.
>>728987943>trans people hate it so it must be goodWhy is 4chan like this?
>>729000361Because 4Chan has a lot of creepy weird trannies that should be on Bluesky instead of here.And usually, trannies are the ones stupid enough to get an art degree which is why they hate AI.
>>728987667do you dumb nigger kike think anyone here cares about awards?
>>729000027>will make YOUR life so much easier, is it being given to you for free?It's not lol. Its jacking up energy prices everywhere that I am actually paying for. The reason the government is pushing for it so hard is probably a lot of factors mostly around security concerns and not wanting to let any one country have a monopoly on AI data centers or understanding how machine learning functions and some of it economic because they see all of this as a potential profit which the technocrats obviously want for their own sake as well. Whether you like it or not it's happening however
>>729000296im not a fan of AI, but i can see a use case in smaller productions to get voice acting.thing is, every time i've seen it used like that, it sounds shit, because the kind of person who adds voice acting as an afterthought, and go for a free alternative instead of getting a few key lines paid for, are also the kind of person that doesn't actually understand voice acting, so you get paragraphs read at you with no tone or emotion, and with oddly stilted speach, because it was just written down, fed to the ai, and jammed in the game.its why i would rather have a simple visuals game with voices than a lifelike game with just text.even just call out barks add an infinite amount of value to a game.
>>729000361It's exhausting to read those kind of retard posts but you just have to ignore it and move on, that's how the internet is these days, full of retards.
>>728987667How many awards Trails won? What about Metaphor and Raidou? What about Black Souls?Whoops
>>728987667>indie game awardsthe meltiest lilquidest melty
>>729000496I'd still prefer text if they are broke. I'll say that if E33 used AI voice acting it wouldn't be winning most of its awards.
>>728998967>Grandpa>When digital art first became a thing it was seen as trashYou aren't alive at the time, and you're just making shit up
TRANNYSLOPJEETS LOST ESLOP33 GOT RAPED
>>7290003614Cuck will call you a tranny for not dickriding Elon the faggot jew lover even doe he trooned out his own son.Go figure
>>729000642yeah exactly, the actual voices sound bad, which sucks because it WOULD be a good use as a stand in or proof of concept tool, like programmer art, or the ol' untextured hitbox.
>>728999421>the people who actually know what they're doing don't know what they're doing because uhhhhhh they're tech averse even though their whole job is tech
>>729000338Okay you’re arguing in good faith so>AI is mostly used to streamline your workflow in most casesBut the issue is, this isn’t real. This isn’t real because “efficiency” ties to “cost” and the cost is hidden from you. OpenAI’s profit this year is negative 200 billion dollars. And that number gets BIGGER the more users they have; it’s not a question of hitting the economy of scale, they’re taking a loss on raw inputs.The compute and storage needs are ENORMOUS. How much utility does the little vibe-coding agent in VS really have if you’re paying $0.02 PER TOKEN of input, recursively? Meaning any follow-up question charges you for the original question and response as well?You still think it’s a handy little feature that makes your life easier? Is the value it adds worth it when five minutes of using it for a few laps of maybe-helpful cleanup costs $87? Because that’s the only way the gravy train keeps running. Sam Altman can only scam venture capitalists for so long before the hammer drops and they have NO plans for actually making money. Eventually price will have to scale with inputs because that’s how COST scales.It’s a very high price to pay for what amounts to a fancy auto-complete mixed with “auto google Stack Exchange for the function I’m using”The question you need to ask yourself about Gen AI as a “tool” is this:>is the utility so high that I’d write, train, and implement a local model myself to get this output?Because if the answer is no, then you’re living on venture capital largesse.
>>729000296>AI isn't a new form of media No it's a new form of technology which always creates knee perk reactions of fear. People were fear mongering about electricity in the 19th century during the AC vs DC wars between Edison and Tesla. People had the same reaction with the Wright Brothers trying to make a viable self propelled aircraft. Hell when it comes to just theory people get upset about it, Jon Snow and Louis Pasteur had to fight tooth and nail to disprove Miasma Theory and prove Germ Theory was more valid. People are just afraid of change instinctually. What i find funny is that so called "progressives" have thr same temperament in terms of personality as a lot of conservatives is what I was initially saying. Its a perfectly reasonable response its just incorrect >with inferior qualityYeah for now
>>729000684not him, but for a while people were against digital art, but not early on, later, with things like toonboom, or go animate.they were a much simpler way to get "quality" animation without needing to learn how to actually do the work yourself.they were huge for a while, then died out when the marketing budget ran out.sounds kind of familiar.
>>728991412Im aryan indian btw if that matters
>ssar saar le saarAnd so the internet continues to be bound by whatever the Americans are aware of at any given moment, in this case maybe learning one new phrase to make fun of Indians a year when there are so many more they can use.
>>729000684God forbid I have a genuine interest in art history. A lot of people even to this day on /a/ hate digital art because they think it's ruined the field of animation
>>728999886Keep coping, you never coding anything worth a penny in your life and it shows. Every person I know in every industry is using AI in some capacity, whether Cursor or CCode or something to that beat, none of them jeets. In fact, the only person in my company who was not using it was a jeet, cause they were a retard who doesn't know any new coding tools and their code looked like illegible ass with spelling mistakes. You don't work in this industry, and if you are, you're under delivering.>>728999831It IS. Again, you're not paying attention. We literally just have a new TurboDiffusion model released that speeds up video gen 200x and an Image model that fixed VAE step reducing compute significantly. These kind of developments are happening on a weekly basis. Enshittification of software happened way before AI, this is only a continuing trend. And it has less to do with dev skills and more to do with platform abstraction and corporate structures. Software is simply a way more complex process than it used to be and we have way more standards to abide by now, so the abstractions solve the latter but add obfuscation to the dev cycle. Everything needs a million tests, approval processes, accessibility support, language support, legal conformities etc.The only thing that isn't standardized and enforced is PERFORMANCE. And that's the one that's always gonna get affected.AI doesn't cause the damage above, the industry itself does. AI just does what you tell it, and accounting for its hallucinations with smart process step breakdowns, sanity checks and tooling -- It's unlikely to actually cause nuclear damage unless you yourself have no idea what you are doing and are praying the AI does.Sure, some AI vibe coded trash is out there, but that's not how AI is actually being used in product in competent workplaces. No one uses Copilot, but everyone uses GPT5, Gemini and Claude.Throw the baby with the bathwater if you want, but you're not an authority.
>>729000839go back to the shitting street pajeet.-1000 izzatyou will never be brahminevery one of your posts that is recognizably Indian makes the world that little bit more aware of you, and hate you more, you continued interactions only cause more shame on you and your entire 'race'.go fuck a goat or eat cow shit or get hit by a train.even the chineese bug people are closer to humans than your race,
>>729000839found the aijeet tranny33slopper
>>728998880E33 is much closer to FF10. But even then the perspective and execution is rather different.
>>729000798There are loads of bad theories and technologies snake oil salesman want to sell you. People are right to be skeptical until the technology is proven. We are in a gold rush phase right now because it's the new space race and everyone is spending crazy amounts of money on it. That can't continue forever because the money has to come from somewhere. Remember when gamepass was the "best deal in gaming"? Well now it sucks because the money ran out. Training is expensive and if it stops being subsidized your local models will start getting out of date.
>490 posts about the Indie Game Awards>Not a single one actually talking about what the Indie Game Awards isYou fuckers just love arguing, I'm convinced you're low I.Q. Indians who only got connected to the internet in the last couple of years.
>>729000954As I said above, the question you need to ask yourself about Gen AI as a “tool” is this:>is the utility so high that I’d write, train, and implement a local model myself to get this output?Because if the answer is no, then you’re living on venture capital largesse.Ultimately all of these little “help me not have to think quite so hard” tools cost a fortune to operate. It only seems useful because you pay none of that cost, it’s paid by self-bankrupting AI startups who are scamming investors into paying that bill by promising they’ll reach The Singularity any day now.Would you use any of this if the cost was internal? Would you use any of this if YOU, personally, had to actually pay the full price of operating it? Because the cost right now is hidden from you but that can’t go on forever.
>>729000954hey anon, the issue is that ANY amount of ai usage can be shit vbie coding, because any use of ai that isn't rigorously checked is just vibe coding.i recently tried to use gpt, copilot and claude to summarize 2000+ comments from surveys for some reports, and every single time they would hallucinate new entire comments into the data, for some reason most of them were obsessed with certain phrases, like extortion or coerced, assuming them to be related to sex trafficing.but the actual comments were about school fees, so having EVERY ai throw in a huge warning that the school is sex trafficking children, because parents said the schools fees were extortionary, or they felt coerced to pay for the building fund is NOT what you want from a "professional tool".now, im not saying AI has NO uses, in the time it took me to find out where this issue was coming from, i could have manually read through and summarised a dew hundred of the comments, but this issue sort of throws ALL the previous work we've done with it into question.hell, when i fed it the csv file and asked for numbers of each response in a column it straight up lied and guessed, because it couldn't find the right column in time.its like giving the 16 year old new hire the job, hes fast, and tries to please, but what you need is for him to tell you "i cant do this" or "i need help to figure this out" instead of just faking it till he makes it, and fucking everything up.
>>729000952So you admit you're trying to sound like an authority on how digital art was received, when arguing with people who were actually here for that.There will always be purists who prefer a physical medium and find certain digital shortcuts to be lazy, but the reaction to digital art wasn't anything close to how AI "art" is treated, because there is still an actual artist involved in the process>animationDifferent issue, computer animation does tend to employ a lot of shortcuts and look very different from traditional animation
>>729000796Well I dont in specific know what model Open AI is trying to implement only thay they're not planning to turn a profit until 2029 and just take in a ton of revenue instead, and as I've noted before ITT a lot of governments have been pushing for AI out of security concerns as well as influence from the technocrats so I dont think profit even matters as much in this case. > a very high price to pay for what amounts to a fancy auto-complete mixed with “auto google Stack Exchange for the function I’m usingIt does a lot more than just that lol. In specific in cybersecurity and network engineering it's streamlined what you're able to accomplish in a day incredibly quickly. Trying to do something like reverse engineering malware is significantly quicker with AI and with Network Engineering in specific it has really reshaped how thay job functions having AI as an assistant. Its a very useful tool in certain areas.
>>729001247I've never heard of it and it doesn't look like most people have. The only thing is interesting about the story is that they took a hostile stance towards AI use and the golden child of gaming.
>>728997559>AAA companies astroturf all the timeNot to the level we're supposedly seeing with E33 where there's constant threads praising it.>You really think any actual anon on /v/ had a positive opinion of Asscreed Black Samurai?No, which is why that game gets no threads. E33 gets threads because it's a great game and people liked it.
>>728987739FPBP /THREAD
>Indie does not mean independent
>>728987704The only award that matter is geoff keighkey's
>>729001425It's two fat faggot redditors who run a 'show'. That's it. They're contrarians in the vein of nu-/v/ so of course this place is one of the only places that agrees with two fat balding faggots with pronouns in their bios.
>>729001491indie means in de pocket of big videogame
>>729000798>AI WILL REVOLUTIONIZE EVERYTHING, NOTHING WILL BE THE SAME ALL JOBS WILL BE AUTOMATED>uhhh you're apprehensive about it? lol how come?There are benefits and drawbacks to all new technology. In the case of AI it benefits a small subset of people the most and the rest of us deal with the negativesThere are legitimately good uses for it, but 99% of it will be shit for everyone who isn't already a billionaire
>>729001418>Well I dont in specific know what model Open AI is trying to implement only thay they're not planning to turn a profit until 2029Per Sam Altman, and I swear to god I am not making this up he is on the record as having said this, the plan is>create true AGI superintelligence>ask the AGI superintelligence how to make money using the AGI superintelligenceThat’s the strategy. Of course, a more cynical person understands that one of two other things is a more likely plan:>keep scamming investors Bernie Madoff style until the gravy train runs out then escape with a golden parachuteor>get people hooked on the technology and then jack the price through the roof once you think you have them by the balls and they can’t go back to not using itNone of the 3 seems like a very good end-result from where I sit>Its a very useful tool in certain areasAgain: is it SO useful you’d build, train, and run an entirely local LLM model in order to get that functionality back without being able to query the charity server?
>>728990714It’s legitimately hard to define the limits of an “indie” game when you have companies like Kepler and Devolver coming in to publish and fund what were legitimately indie developed games. AA feels more like a smaller, established studio publishing through a not AAA publisher.
>>729001408>sound like an authority on how digital art was received, when arguing with people who were actually here for thatJust because you lived in the 40's doesn't make you an expert historian on ww2, you're basically just taking your anecdotal experiences and thoughts and assuming that is what everyone thought. Why do that when I can just read what people like Miyazaki thought about digital art who like you also lived through it becoming a thing? He only very, very begrudgingly started to accept digital art in like the mid 00's >the reaction to digital art wasn't anything close to how AI "art" is treatedYeah I guess while many people hated digital art nobody was getting death threats for it since Twitter didn't exist yet.
ChatGPT wonTrrons lost
>>728987848Yep. This anti ai psyop is another jewish trick to try and fuck over western people. 10 years from now people will be shocked and angry about how they were memed into hating it instead of embracing it and learned how to use it best, when they realise how much they could have improved their lives and made money from it. And jews keep rubbing their hands and laugh at stupid goyim
https://x.com/gothburz/status/2002461764944847293holy
>>729001664>>729001418Just to be on-record before the thread dies: despite hating gen AI slop, I’m actually very excited by the underlying ML/transformer technology. I think that architecture does represent a new frontier in software because it changes the fundamental categories of problems we can solve from ones where a solver can be implemented procedurally to ones where a solution check can be implemented procedurally. I won’t lean too far into the implications for P=NP because I’m not a mathematician and I’m sure there’s subtleties I’m missing but the ability to work backwards from a solution to create a “magic black box” for arriving at it is fascinating.But how this tech is going to be useful is only going to be in spaces where other solutions won’t work. Because it’s enormously complicated and expensive to implement. A recent example: UE’s ML Deformer. For those that don’t know, it’s a tool that lets artists hand-model how a game’s character rig deforms to capture nuances of musculature and bone movement rather than naive lerping, then locally train the ML model, which can run in real-time during gameplay to give higher fidelity character visuals without exponentially increasing the frame compute by adding hundreds of procedural control bones.That’s a great idea. Also insert obligatory references to tools like Alpha Fold. Situations that leverage ML as a tech itself, rather than just the supercluster demigod that scraped all of reddit and we now pretend it’s smart because it’s good at finishing sentences. “Call our 30-trillion parameter offsite datacenter robot to get spell check” is not a good use of this tech. This is what all this Claude-level shit is, and it only has utility because it’s so heavily subsidized that it costs nothing to overlook its shortcomings. This is what I am skeptical of, this is what I think is driving down the quality of modern media. This mass-produced auto-slop
I like AI because I look forward to not having to work anymore and receiving UBI.
>>729000361>4chanIt's one extremely butthurt AI shill that spams that image in every thread
>>729002120Same. Also AI girlfriends and AI mothers.
>>729002019>The writing was human. We just let AI handle the parts where words go next to other words.Heh.
>>729002070Honestly, I think that if gaming didn't have a decades-long history of constant enshittification, if we didn't just climb out of the crypto and NFT grift, and if the medical and such improvements were pushed to the forefront instead of YOU CAN MAKE GHIBLI NOW, people would have a very different opinion of AI.Well that and if the AI leaders weren't, for the most part, fucking sociopaths already building bunkers in preparation for the social upheaval they're accelerating towards.
>>729001898>you're basically just taking your anecdotal experiences>but I'm going to take a couple of individual perspectives I'm reading about in isolation, 25-30 years later and decide I'm an expert on how it was received at the timeLiving through something doesn't make you an expert, but experience trumps some highly biased armchair "expert" trying to form a narrative about something he doesn't have a clue about
>>729002421But again, when we talk about "AI", we aren't talking about machine learning broadly, or major steps forward in ML tech like attention or diffusion. We're talking specifically about>absolutely enormous models whose training dataset essentially consists of the entire internetThat's a very different thing. One is a targeted application of an algorithm to produce a specific category of output, the other is a naive and limping (yet, in its own way, still pretty impressive) attempt to approximate a human itself by just training the machine on everything humans have ever done. The latter is never going to have real value, but that's the thing that everyone is pushing, because that's the thing that ONLY THE OLIGARCHS CONTROL. They have no power if the tech's main implementation is locally-made, locally-trained, locally-run models. This is the natural extension of "now you have to subscribe to Photoshop" as a business model: I want you to own nothing, and to do everything with API calls to MY server, which you could never possibly hope to recreate because you don't have a trillion dollars.
Explain why I should care about any of those:>AI>GOTY awards>Expedition 33
>>729001296Yes, it's clear you just don't understand how tech advances. The math for these models existed for decades, Transformer model isn't new. Google iterated on this model before the craze with Bard. The cost isn't hidden, we know how much it costs. Most of the cost is on collecting solid data and training for metrics. In the case of the big AI companies, they waste an absurd amount of resources on "compliance", so the bot doesn't go D-day from basic gaslighting and infect the internet with a virus spamming nigger on everyone's screen all at once. The actual math is mostly settled we are getting pipeline optimization on top of the NN, mostly waiting for hardware to catch up as it's not geared for AI's architectural use-case (hence why we are at a GPU shortage).The massive costs for running these models is, in fact, on purpose. If these models could all run hyper optimized locally, how the fuck will they make back all that investment money back? China is undercutting them at every corner and the majority of advanced research IS coming from China. and they are catching up hyper fast, you can run GPT-5 level LLMs locally already.So yes, I WOULD invest in implementing these locally, with the tech we have now. Cause it's ready and it's getting better.I honestly don't get what your point is? Would you invest in a mainframe the size of a small building to do your taxes? No, but now look at how you do it and with a device of what size and capacity?
>>729002978>Most of the cost is on collecting solid data and training for metricsAnon, I am telling you that OpenAI's net annual loss is scaling linearly with uses of ChatGPT. This is not a question of "it's expensive to train and cheap to use", it's also EXPENSIVE TO USE. That's why the more people use it, the more money they lose. They have to keep expanding data centers and power consumption to keep up with the cost of the thing constantly being queried.>I WOULD invest in implementing these locally, with the tech we have nowI mean, more power to you, I guess? I don't know how you think you're going to do it. And no, taking the pre-trained model that's again being made available via largesse doesn't count, you're not training it yourself. As I said, sooner or later all that free shit is gonna dry up. I mean I guess nobody can take away what's currently available, so if you can vibecode with a local implementation of the current DeepSeek model or something then lucky you?
>>729001398> 2000+ commentsAgain, misunderstanding of the technology and how it works. LLMs are stochastic pattern matchers with a NLP output and NN-based ML. They are not intelligent, they are sophisticated. They match based on likelyhood and user feedback. Basically they are excellent bait engagers. This is why companies are investing so much in them and controlling their behavior. Also, 2000+ comments, depending on size, is massive contexts. These models work best with small incremental data-sets. This is a classic beginner's mistake, when I see devs try to use AI and fail at it, it's usually they give it a vague outline of a task, don't describe what they want in easy to digest directives, and give it way too little to go on without a direction of where to look (eg. "make me a new landing page for the website") - no directing to folder structure, the component library, the writing style to use, breaking the features into subtasks , and most importantly, no actually documenting the story requirements into an easy to follow detailed file indexing and listing all the different aspects on the task.You need to treat yourself as a direct product manager to the deliverable, instead most are using like their retarded end users and are surprised they get retarded results.The way you used it is actually EXACTLY what a product i'm working on for my company is for, using AI to process unstructured data and using schemas and detection find faults and homogenize the data - so I can tell you right now, you need to give it clear parameters and sanity checks cause yes, IT WILL fuck up occasionally, and you need it to be able to examine itself. Something in prompts isn't prompting.Trust me, i'll be first in line to say this technology has issues. But these are not unsolvable, they are results of the design. Humans are stochastic and make mistakes too. We get better. It will get better. It IS getting better.
>>729003248The current implementations of local models match GPT-5 and CLaude 4.5 so yes, I can.And again, the trained and released models are getting smaller, not bigger.Early research is always a loss investment until optimization comes, and it's coming.I don't know why you skipped on this point, but OpenAI NEEDS to justify the cost of using it by the requirements of running it. This is why China is putting the fear of god in them. They would charge more if they could, but they can't.The data centers are honestly just VC and Billionaire money being passed around it's a closed circle. That bubble WILL crash. No one sane disagrees. it's unsustainable.You need to understand that's not the same as the technology itself. I don't think DeepSeek, ByteDance or Alibaba are operating at a loss. Neither is Google, which is currently dominating. The only true retards here are Meta.The tech is getting cheaper. That's a fact. Running GPT4o cost significantly more than GPT5 (up to 90% cheaper based on some reports). This is how tech advances. How much do you think TVs and microwaves used to cost? Do you know consoles are also routinely sold at a loss?
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>>729003639>And again, the trained and released models are getting smaller, not biggerand again, NOBODY IS CHARGING YOU FOR THEM. Sooner or later that's what all of this comes back to, enormous resources are being poured into this thing and you just don't have to bear that cost. I guess I understand getting your bag while the getting is good but the point is sooner or later the chickens come home to roost on this. Who is going to keep training and releasing these models when there's no profit in it? Are you going to do it yourself? Sooner or later, someone is going to ask you for money for all of this.>Do you know consoles are also routinely sold at a loss?Remember when you could use the PS3 as a substitute for an ordinary computer due to an exploit and people bought them up for that purpose because Sony was selling them at a loss? How long did that gravy train go on for? Because I seem to remember some poor fuck getting slapped with criminal DMCA charges and nearly staring down prison time over it. Loss-leading only works when someone is looking to force buy-in to a closed ecosystem which can be used to squeeze more money out of you long-term. None of this is being done out of charity. You need to be more suspicious of this and developing a dependence on it.
