Why do we hate AI again? Surely this leads to quicker development and cheaper games right? LOL
op (fag) is back with more rage engagement bait fellas
hey, if it means I get disappointed after 5 years instead of 10, I'm all for it
Noooo what about my retarded image that says using AI made a group of slack jawed devs take 19% longer to complete their work
>>728991984>Why do we hate AI again?We don't. It's artfags who realize that they can be replaced with software and now they are shitting themselves because spending 10 or 20 years of their lives drawing was a waste of time.
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>>728992267Thats a japanese anime game company you fucking tard.
>>728992323Rajeesh, in case it wasn't clear to your brown ass I was talking about OP.
>>728991984>quicker developmentLikely>cheaper gamesFuck no.
>>728992209Don't care about artfags or aindians call me when the software can do what it does on chat But with a realistic cgi model with realistic voice in vr
>>728991984Is this remake better than the original? I've played FC before years ago. I never got around to playing SC though. AI is just a tool. There's nothing wrong with using it to reduce tedious work.
>>728992362>He cares about sucking OP's cock.Bait, but if your the serious. You do you.
>>728991984my supervisor never told me to cobble together shit when I worked on peoples HVAC equipment. he said fix it right. AI is just cobbling shit together and people that use it don’t even have the decency to clean up the stuff it gets wrong in post. absolutely embarassing and inexcusable
>>728992414That's some serious projection on your part. I can't imagine being not only brown but gay as well. I hope you find help for at least one of your aliments.
I'll see it when I believe it. So far all these games are taking forever to release. AAA announced at the start of the gen and released when it's almost over.
>>728991984>Anime slop studio that's already producing soulless garbage buys into AI, the soulless slop machineWow, what an unexpected surprise.
>>728991984Unironically I think small teams and indie devs have the most justification for using AI, especially for tedious shit. If you're using AI to crank through shit that was only taking up time because it's some dull fucking backend or boardroom slog, then go ahead.
>>728992424>just cobbling shit together Have you actually played a Kiseki game?If AI can do it faster then holy shit the next in the series is going to be absolutely fucking terribly amazing.
>We are using AI to brainstorm scenarios and do research. What used to take 2-3 hours can now be completed in 10 minutes. AI is also used to correct typos in the scenario.So they're outsourcing the creative idea parts to an averaging algorithm?lmao
>>728991984>Tasks that previously took 2-3 hours can now be completed in 10 minutesThis I only convincingly buy if it turns out they also accepted a notable quality loss. Anything else does not line up with anything I've seen of AI anywhere else.
If you push this into an AI, can it make up slogans, phrases, one liners better?This is what 20% or ~30 hours of Kiseki games consist of by the way.
>>728992535>averaging algorithmwho started this meme? I don't care to hear your attempt at arguing for it without understanding statistics, I just want to know what faggot youtuber everyone is parroting.
>>728992474beat me to itfuck me, Neptunia's next, innit?
>>728992209I don't hate technology, i hate how its used by some people.Drawing is not a waste of time and it never will be, its my meditation, something i love to do. Do you think everyone started drawing to earn money? The amount of joy I get when drawing is immeasurable compared to prompting. Anyway AI will never create my stuff, it can only try to mock it. Also i can't be replaced either since I'm independent.
>>728992664SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
Reducing dev time is a good thing no matetr how you spin it.
anti-AI homotrannies just can't stop losing
>>728991984>developer with experience in the field explaining the very tangible benefits of the technology in their workflow>hype machine
>>728992696>nooo you can't call our averaging algorithm an averaging algorithm>it's "predicting the next token" based on "statistical regularities" not mere averaging!>it's not a mere weighted average of inputs because it has multiple layers to obscure it!
>>728991984Butlerian Jihad Now!
>>728992796No, I'm genuinely curious.Seriously go to any Kiseki cutscene and you'll see that.Look at the timestamp of the screenshot as well, that was well before the AI boom came.You dont know how bad it really is.AI would be a Godsend compared to the shit we had to deal with before.
>>728992807Nah, if it turns the quality to shit it's no good.Same reason taking years and involving thirdie contracting studios rather than cutting down the scope is no good.
Thou Shalt Not Make a Machine in the Likeness of a Human Mind.
>>728992209if they think it was a waste of time they arent very good artists to start with. they can easily come up with an idea and draw it then send it to the prompt architect to give them something to paste in and generate infinite permutations of that character
>Tasks that previously took 2-3 hours can now be completed in 10 minutesPoorly and with errorsis it really saving time if you have to comb through the code entirely written by AI to find whatever errors it makes?
Because when people use it to replace the artistic part of something, it loses the soul
>>728992729compile heart actually made a new IP and it looks like mega shit
>>728991984I have seen many porns of this girl fucking anything but her boyfriend
>>728992896Shut the fuck up AIjeet.
>>728992854I don't know how you can say something so retarded without feeling like an idiot. "A weighted average of inputs" doesn't even make any sense, that won't yield anything meaningful. The inputs embeddings go through a fuckton of non-linear functions for one and a weighted average is a simple linear function on the inputs so that's already fucking retarded.If you can't explain what you're trying to say with math, you don't actually understand it and you're using a nigger tier pseudo-understanding just to make yourself feel better.
>>728993091Show me a screenshot from a Kiseki game you played and I will.
>>728992753>Do you think everyone started drawing to earn money?The artfags that are having a tantrum did. They like to draw so kept practicing, maybe even majored to turn it into a career. But their dream is a cushy 6 figure position where all they do is sit in meetings and drawing pictures for big projects and those entry level concept artists are the first to go when AI inevitably improves. Right now it's only good for reference designs, and it probably will never be good enough to generate textures but concept art will absolutely go away.
>>728991984I see you wanted a "posted it again" award. But there's still no explanation as to what that even means.
>>728992424>AI is just cobbling shit together and people that use it don’t even have the decency to clean up the stuff it gets wrong in post.That's the crux of the problem with AI. It's not so much the LLM itself.It's the people using it and not giving a single fuck to check things for correctness, or to touch up mistakes it made.Generative AI is fine as e.g. a sparring partner for plot ideas, or rough drafts. It's fine as a way to produce an initial first pass in remastering and upscaling old textures, so an artist will only have to correct a few small parts manually afterwards.It's NOT fine to just let it do the entire build pipeline, kick back, and watch the money roll-in on zero-effort-spent slop being pushed out to your clients.
>>728992920For once, something sane coming out of the Vatican.
>>728992920Someone tell him to tell God to make more hot Virgin Nuns. Then maybe we'll start consuming human made arts once more.
>>728991984I can't believe AI actually killed games so quickly that I'll have to have 2025 for a cut-off year. Luckily I still have a very long way to go in my backlog.
>>728991984What tasks?
>>728991984>quicker development and cheaper gamesyeah quick and cheap, exactly what I look at in the content I want to consume. there's a million reasons to hate AI, do I really need to bring up a list? fucking faggot
>>728993543Fixing typos.Hopefully, they realize that the trans lations are filled to the brim with such typos due to a bug called localization.
Reminder; you aren't nearly as good at spotting 'ai' art as you think you are.
>>728992209Good morning sir!
>>728993770Are you retarded or just a hylic?
>>728991984There is literally nothing wrong in using ai like this.Only people that complain are parasites that won't be able to freeload in an obsolete job they were only needed in because ai didn't exist at the time.
>>728993618>Fixing typos.Not "AI". Calling everything AI won't make it magically come true.
>>728993893You got owned.
>>728993119>"A weighted average of inputs" doesn't even make any senselmao that's literally what a feedforward neural network aka a larger part underpinning the transformer models are.>that won't yield anything meaningful.Correct. Just like AIs.
>>728991984Falcom already cut every single corner possible. Giving them AI that will just allow them to be EVEN LAZIER cannot have anything but bad results.
>>728994103They literally just made one of the most unlaziest remakes I've ever seen.I've always thought remake = bad but this is the sole game to make me realize there can be exceptions for everything.
>>728993162Probably but at the same time someone needs to keep an eye on this and personally i would rather hire person that knows how to draw over someone that only use AI.Like both can use AI and only one understands composition, design etc. For the tantrum and hate i was also having it but for completly other reason. Seing my favorite artistsstyles with even their patreons links or signatures melted in being spammed by AI scammers make me feel sick.
>>728992920>Thou Shalt Not Make a Machine in the Likeness of a Human Mind.Is this actually a commandment? If it is, perhaps history isn't as we thought. This seems like a highly specific rule.
>>728994175Okay Ramdheep.
>>728991984>your productivity increased 90%? bro that's just hype stop falling for it
>>728993286AI is primarily used by people who don't have the skills to fix anything or even know thst something needs fixing (as in normalfags).
>>728992920This Pope is a faggot even by the standard of the hundreds of faggot Popes before him
>>728991984But of course games won't get any cheaper.
>>728994236I know man, I too wanna ram deep inside Estelle.
The same fucking thread for the last several months
>>728994175nah the sky remake was pretty lazy you're just tricked by a bunch of post-processing effects
Was drugging Estelle plausible, why put ether on your lips like some weirdo?
>>728994175>praising more turned-based RPG changed to action combat slop
>>728994527Are you blind?Its literally turn based in the webm.
>>728994527literally every single boss fight in the game is in turn based
>>728994261Doesn't all data show the contrary?
>>728991984OP i've already given up on the series after only playing steel 1&2, and the new combat looks terrible. why should I hold out hope, is falcom going to patch all their games with the new AI script??
>>728992064I wonder why mods allow flamewar and trolling and off-topic shit so much.
>>728994553>>728994570It was literally showing off action combat.
Man it'll be interesting to see in the future when AI fully takes to watch it basically kill the concept of mentorship altogether. Long gone will be the days of people passing their knowledge and skills to others, once they retire we'll officially be in the technological dark ages.
>>728994175Nothing but truth, my glorius white and American fellow.
>>728994692yeah it has a hybrid system, you can literally press a button and go into turn based at any time and literally every single boss fight forces you into turn basedare you braindead?
>>728994595I trust Falcom's word over their own productivity over "the data"
We've seen this cycle before.New tech promises to make things easier and faster, leading to more of it and lower prices right?Wrong, it just means more people lose their jobs, and the prices stay the same in spite of the lower effort put into making it.It a negative to those who actually work on making things, a neutral to consumers(sometimes negative due to lack of quality control), and only a positive for publishers and execs at the upper end.Any time you see "new tech allows something to be made faster and with less effort", know that thousands, or hundreds of thousands, of people are about to lose their jobs and the product you hope will become cheaper will not change in price relative to income. If anything, it'll just continue to go up, and your rate of poverty will outpace your rate of income.
>>728994747yeah this "everything will get cheaper bro trust us" thing has never once been true
>>728994725Which shouldn't be in the game at all because the original was purely turn based.
>>728994779im not even an action lover but jesus christ you are a retard
>>728991984>senior management tells shareholders about all the magical savings in time and money they're getting by using snake o- i mean ai>meanwhile actual frontline employees consistently report low quality output and the need to spend more time fixing genai mistakesit's funny how much people will just take things at face value if it matches whatever rhetorical goals they're pursuing. in your case, shitposting about ai.
>>728994807That's what it should be if its trying to be at all faithful to the original.
>>728994747I remember when people said animation moving to digital would be a good thingAll that happened was that animation became soulless, neon colored garbage
>>728994821Wow! You seem super informed for someone not in the industry.Don't let me get in the way of your confirmation bias, as I press a button to create a 30 second animation from a 2D in seconds where it would take half a day before.
>>728994175The flaws I see in the remake is the asset flips, the shitty localization and some dialogues that has one person is voiced and the other person is NOT.
>>728995000how's all those nfts doing? you know the ones game studios were hyping to shareholders a few years ago? or what about the metaverse? maybe you can just conveniently ignore that companies are setting internal ai kpis that they can show off to shareholders, without regards to how ai utilization will actually impact their business.
>>728991984I don't really see the need for game dev to be quicker if they're just going to be lazy and halfass everything.
>JEET FUGGING PAJEET CURRY SPIC SPIIIC SAAR AI IS EVIL THINK OF THE POOR XISTERS DRAWING YAOI TRANSPEDO FURRY PORN ONLY NONWHITES HATE THIS BEAUTIFUL ART!!!!>screenshots xir's own post to share with the 'cord of transnazi diapertroons of how xhe OWNED those subhumans
>>728995000Trips of Truth.Now animate how Estelle's tight ass would look in her spats with proper gloss and light reflection after about an hour of training.
>>728992209games are art you troglodyte
Does this mean the Chapter 1 remake had AI usage? The game got glowing reviews, so I guess nobody noticed, or that means Chapter 2 will have AI used in it.
>>728991984It's fine as a tool. Not fine as a replacement for real skills.
>>728995916>troglodyte
>>728991984You know what else saves time? Plagiarism. Game companies should just rip and reuse assets from other games.
>>728995958the "new" localization was apparently done in 6 weeks. i doubt that would be possible without MTL as a base at the minimum. though that would also be Gungho and not Falcom. If AI was used for any art assets it is at least not apparent, though falcoms artistry hasn't really been that good in the past so that could help mask it lol. the standards for them are pretty low
>>728991984so the games will now cost 10x less right, right? Im not paying more than that for slop
>>728995958>>728996052also falcom farms out certain things, its not like they create everything inhouse. who knows if some of the stuff done by these external studios is done with AI, it probably is considering falcom probably often goes for the cheapest options
>>728995958I see them asset flipping for chapter 2. The localization would be AI involved.
>>728995064>shitty localizationThat's a you problem
>>728991984Slop developers like falcom will love it because their shit eating pig audience won't notice the difference, except more slop games faster.
>>728996207Make me
>>728991984>Tasks I used to do that enriched my life and taught me things about our world, our shared histories, and the ways in which designs conform to functions of those histories>Nah just skip all that. We want pretty slop and we want it now!You will own nothing. You will remember nothing. You will love nothing. You will know nothing. Just consume and be excited for the next thing.
As long as they dont use AI for the girls themselves things should be just fine. As AIs seem to despise shit like cleavage.The games are fuckhuge with bibles worth of dialogue & flufftext. If some localizers are getting fucked over by AI then oh well. They are the ones who fueled that disdain in the first place.
>>728996278It's just Australian-English vernacular.It's okay to import one instance of English language slang instead of exporting nonsensical ebonics.
>>728991984The what is and Y is? Maybe we need AI if this is how literate game journos are nowadaysAlso let's be real AI would write a better plot than the current Falcom writers
>>728996557Maybe I'm a bit brainrotted, but the translation just feel inconsistent which is not that new in falcom games.
>>728991984HOLY SHIT BROS AI GENERATED HAHAS AND GUFFAWSWE ARE SO BACK
AI should be the one thanking you
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>>728991984>says FalcomSo basically most of their games will be completed in a few hours now tops. Huh.
>>728996379>As AIs seem to despise shit like cleavage.what planet do you live on?
>>728991984>then after the game launches that 10 minutes becomes to half a year long overtime working to make the game somewhat playable before the company pulls the plug
