fromslop hate thread
I love it
>>728992170If I liked the Demon’s souls remake, will I like the other FromSlop titles?
>>728992525probablystart with DS1, it's the most kino and it's similar to DeSalso bloodborne is great
I have never finished a single Soulslop game... not even Demon Souls (and I have a PS3)Am I an upstanding citizen or just a contrarianfag ?
Skill issue thread
>>728992170I agree, slow and boring. The running around drinking/healing thing reminds of a fat kid running around chugging mountain dew. Games for fat retarded losers. Thank you.
Why don't anti-roll people just play the game without rolling? They act like blocking and parrying don't exist.
I love parry LUDOKINO.
>>728992525if this isn't bait, then it depends.of you liked the aesthetics, every other game is actually different and better. if you liked the general game feel and mechanics, you will most likely like Dark Souls 1. it's the best of the standart titles anyway. Bloodborne and Sekiro are both one offs that are better than the rest imo, but also mechanically somewhat different.
>>728992836>american immediately thinks of fat people and consumer goods by default
>>728992932Thing is, sekiro has a bunch of mechanics that you can use to wittle down a fight that isn't solely parrying but most people don't do that. Based though
>>728992932ever since, I was hoping they would do either another one or just reuse the base mechanics and design philosophies for something new. instead we get more stuff where the bosses behave like theyre in sekiro but the player character is basically stuck on dark souls 1 still. and then some gay roguelite and another PvPvE entry no one asked for
>>728992525Don't listen to >>728992538's recommendation of DS1. While he's right about Bloodborne he's not about DS1. If you want more like Demon's Souls play Ai Limit instead.
The problem with Souls combat isn't Souls combat itself, but that everyone decided that it should be the blueprint for melee action combat going forward. Similar to what happened with first person shooters and CoD. The reason Dragon's Dogma's combat is so refreshing is specifically because its not Souls. We need more variety in combat
>>728992170Are FromSoft titles the only non-movie games in today's industry?
>>728993226dont @ me again you stupid trooon
>>728993252The only troon here is you for recommending DS1
>>728992170I'll take roll slop any day over fucking parry slop. There's nothing more retarded than games where bosses have a billion health and the only "strategy" is to just wait for the boss to attack, then parry, repeat until stagger bar is full, and then you can finally do 10x normal damage to the boss for the next 10 seconds, and then repeat that pattern over and over.
>>728993226and who made you the authority?if you really don't understand why DaS1 is the closest thing to demon's souls you must be willfully ignorant or just retarded.
>>728993383Don't make me utter the forbidden words that scatters DS1niggers like you to the windsAlso Ai Limit is like Demon Souls in that the focus is also on world and level design instead of just bosses and muh difficulty.I played all 3(4 if you count the original and remake as separate games) games so I know what I'm talking about.
>>728992170I used to think I hated rollslop. Then I saw how Elden Ring bosses behave, dragging attacks for whole seconds while they also have instant attacks which are almost undodgeable.
>>728993009The analogy is perfect.
>>728993353>Anon doesn't want to clash blades like a real sword fight>would rather roll on the floor like a fucking dog
>>728993226demons souls kings are not interested in faggy tranime shit. why the fuck did you even recommend this?
>>728992170BASED
>>728995394Or raccoon. Someone's got to have the clip I lost it with my drive wipe.
I blame Fromsoft for giving me a giantess fetish
>>728992170this is why DS1 is the best fromsloppa game because you can ignore parrysloppa and rollsloppa and just tank everything with your chad armor like a real knight
>>728992170No one force you to play them
>>728993235The problem with souls combat is that console gameplay has disintegrated due to free camera and the generally declining quality of unassisted 3D cameras.No game ever uses the face buttons for anything important, because your thumb is stuck controlling the camera, so that means all of the "fun" in the game has to be faked by providing dopamine release with Skinner box mechanics like parrying, since shoulder button inputs can't be fun.This means that most games leave you with a character that can't move very well, a camera that can't keep enemies or important features on-screen and 4 buttons to do things with.People liked souls combat, because the alternatives at the time were snap-to-target Bamham combat dopamine farms and cover based shooters that played themselves 90% of the time.People keep getting excited about different flavors of pseudo-Eurojank like Souls or Dragdog until they inevitably enter the mainstream and get sanded down into the same dopamine farms that people wanted to escape from.
>>728992170no (ZERO) iframes, sidestep/dash instead of faggoty roll. BAM, your game is now 300% less homo.
>>728992836higher health pool with more limited healing > dying in 2-3 hits but having like 10 heals. fuck whoever popularized that shit.
>>728992892you can get away with having a blocking playstyle in dark souls 1, but it's garbage against the strongest bosses in elden ring. about they just make a better game that's not roll slop? you're allowed to criticize shitty gameplay.
>>728992668contrarianfag. You have to play them before you shit on them.
>>728996258This makes me want to play Elden Ring againElden Ring 2 furking when
>>728996258why doesn't he just use zweihander and stunlock that boss?
>>728993353parryslop is only good if only some attacks can be blocked, or if it has some depth to it, like games where you have to manually face the enemy, or directional blocking. defending yourself should be varied. like you said combat is shit when you just stand in place and wait for the right time to press a button
>>728993624so what exactly are you suggesting, does that make rollslop good or bad?
>>728996402I'm suggesting that rollslop wasn't the final form. Now we get rollslop with bosses baiting an attack for 5 seconds while they make rolling cost zero stamina.
Fromslop fags are children. Ever remember a time when you were playing a game/sport against a kid and you're absolutely destroying them because they're shit, but then they get one win either through fluke or pity. Then they act like they're fucking amazing and are way better than you? You're a Fromslop boss in that moment. Doesn't matter how many times you catastrophically ended them, that one win they got is all they need to act like they're the GOAT.
>A perfectly good combat system existed with Dragons Dogma>Climb on large bosses>Proper positioning matters rather than rolling on the floor>Everyone just wants to keep rolling everywhere in every game>Every game just keeps copying dark souls>No new innovations in combat>Just more rolling on the floor or parryingI hate Dark Souls so much for ruining video games forever.
>>728997208In a non shit timeline Dragon's Dogma would have been more polished, inspired more action games with actual good combat and not rollshit, and released a polished sequel. It's too bad that we can't have nice things in our commitment timeline.
>>728997526current* fucking autocorrect
>You don't rike my game?!?!?!>FROMDRONES ASSEMBLLL!!!!
All their series have been trash fires.>King's Fieldterrible dungeon crawler>Eternal Ring whateverawful JRPGs>Armored Coreliteral shovelware series that had 0 good games>SoulsslopAwful ARPGs for third worldersThis company can't do no right.
>>728997208Dragon's Dogma had a really unique combat style and more games should be encouraged to follow suit, but it's also not a combat style that's ideal for every kind of game. It played more like an RPG than an action game. There is no lock on or ability to strafe and backpedal manually, and there is no generic dodge that every vocation can use, which is good because every vocation has a unique method of defense. But in an action game there has to be some method of avoiding damage, and in Dragon's Dogma's case it was either blocking with a shield or utilizing the iframes on an attack, and at that point that's not much different than rollslop iframes.
Trannyslop for Redditors
>ai mimics their playerbase
>>728997867You are just a contrarian indian zoomer jew.Souls games are overrated but they are still very good action adventure games. When it comes to the popular modern RPGs that everyone knows, Souls games are some of the best ones.
>spend the first couple of deaths to bosses just learning their stupid moveset>oh wow now the game is super duper easy because i know when it's my turn to attackPeople equate this to being the best game in the world.
I'm not impressed.
>>728997987fucking lmaodo fromsloppers REALLY?
>>728998002They're not adventure games when it's just a boss rush shit game with no level design.
>>728998041Look at that stupid furry riding his stupid horse with his stupid axe. He is behaving like a retrarded video game NPC, KEK! What a dumbass!The naked fuck with a stick didn't even have to try.
Mechanics are a crutch. If your action game has a parry or a dodge then it means the game rewards bad positioning.
>scams you like a poojeetWhat do you do?
>>728998178How would you even beat a massive enemy with long reach without a dodge mechanic, unless the devs make him super slow.I get that you can sidestep, backstep and dance around humanoids attacks, but large enemies would be impossible to beat without a parry or dodge mechanic, unless the devs make them slow and retarded.
Idk why people call them JRPGs when they're not RPGs nor JRPGs. They have no narrative nor choices to go by. You just kill next big bad and level up. It's a disgrace to JRPGs to call this action game reject one even if I don't JRPGs as much as CRPGs.
>>728998294>Idk why people call them JRPGs when they're not RPGs nor JRPGs.Because Fromsoft is japanese.But they are action adventures with a leveling system in my opinion.
>>728998294nobody cares about your personal definitions though
>>728998415They're poorly made action games. DMC also has a leveling system but people don't call that a JRPG.
>>728997562>Before it releasedA true visionary.
Fromjeets consoom the same shit over and over again.
>>728997208>>728997526>if only dragon's dogma was a good game more devs would copy itLMAO, you dogmafags are a cult that lashes out at good games because they trample your unfinished tech-demo. But don't worry, surely the next game will make everyone love fighting the same group of goblins every five minutes while traversing the worlds dullest corridor disguised as an open world (but it's ok, you can pay 2,99€ for fast travel).
>>728996149shields are comically broken specifically in elden ring as opposed to every other game in the series that isnt ds1
So we agree that Metal Wolf Chaos is best FromShlop vidya, right?
>>728992170The use of the word slop is the worst case of slop here
The only thing I hate more than rollslop is parryslop
>>728998178You mean if a dodge has iframes, because then you can just iframe through an attack and it doesn't matter what position you were in. How would a dodge be rewarding bad positioning if the dodge IS positioning?
>>728993068I wonder why, could it be because player is discouraged to use them too much?
>>729000160I do not know how I would design a 3D action game without a dodge button or parrying.I mean, even in real life people dodge and parry during fights. It's just that dodging is usually just moving your upper body or taking one step rather than rolling or dashing around and parrying is more complicated in real life because you don't have to just press a button.In 2D side scroling games not having a dodge or parry only works because sidestepping is a thing, but that doesn't work in 3D.
>>729000387i want more 3d action games that dont have a big reliance on iframes or one-button parries
>>728992170Only autistic people dedicate energy to "hating" something they don't want to engage with. You don't actually hate from games, you just want to bait people.
>>729000387You can have 3d bosses that dont feel like constant braindead iframe simulator or "press 1 button to invalidate enemy attack without positioning" simulatorI actually really like Sekiro but i hate the way people have cloned it
>>728998050Do we really what?
>>728992170
>>728992170Fromsoft games look like they would be fucking amazing if they didn't have invincibility rolls/parries and the hitboxes actually made sense.Such a waste.
>>728993353It's literally the same
>>729000387I dont mind roll/dodge/parrying mechanicsI just hate the new Sekiro trend of "you need to perfectly parry the whole boss string since thats your only way to damage it"
I really hate how it's clear the devs don't know how to program a game and use the difficulty as an excuse for the incompetency>No, the camera being bad is on purpose,>No, attacks going through walls is on purpose>No, having roll delay is on purpose>No, input buffering is on purpose>No, hutboxes not fitting the model is on purposeIt's like they weren't unable to fix the bugs and they said it was for "le difficulty" to save face. This kind of bullshit wouldn't fly with other sagas, but fromsoftdrones are drones.
>>729000764*Were unable
>>728997526This.Imagine if all the rollslop games had Dragon's Dogma gameplay.Fuck this gay earth
>>729000559Amazing in what way when there's more glaring issues outside the gameplay.
>>729000884Such as?The visual style and the world design is excellent in all of them.All that's missing is some fucking gameplay.
They're all trash one way or the other.>DaS trilogyPoorly put together and pretty bad gameplay>BBSame issues as above but very uninspired and garbage.>SekiroLol. Pretty much the same but now with QTEslop and bop it crap.>The rest of the shovelwareJust unplayable if old and terrible if new.
>>728992170you don't even play vidya nigger
>dark souls 1>first half>first playthrough>carefully exploring>feeling the pressure build up before the next bonfire>slowly mastering the controls and tempo>each area capped off with a boss fight set piece>the fights are readablefast forward>elden ring>speed through empty terrain>occasionally find a worthless dungeon>which contains copy pasted enemies>copy pasted rewards>nothing you'll ever use>enviroments look pretty but lack substance>boss fights focused on spectacle over readabilitywe went from kino to tedium
>>729001018The visuals are garbage with that awful lighting and fidelity.
>>7289979872022 was such a dogshit year for games
>>728992170I wish lost kingdoms would get a revisit. Fun core gameplay, lots fo collect, cool monster designs, no roll slop
Infinity Ward>Fromslop
>>729000387How about stats? Like an actual RPG, unlike the roll/parry/iframe-slop
>>728997003Basically. Dumbing down the formula in Elden Ring to make it all about epick attack, rollsloppery and waifus has brought in even larger numbers of those kiddies who like the edgy world of Edgen Souls.
>>729001787another retard that never uses a shield i see
>>728997562Where's the Myrmidon of Gain?
>>728997987That's just lame and lazy.
Is it finally safe to say all these games are trash and were never good?
I hate millennials. Imagine entering a cathedral built centuries ago to honor the one true God, and your only point of reference is "le gothic videogame"
>>728992170The whole concept of iframes was a mistake.It was a box that should never have been opened.
>>729002071Trans people are mentally ill like fromsloppers but I can't tell the difference from the two groups since they're both just as gay and awful.
Is there a souls-like with no "get your free i-frames!!!" button? I'm ok with rolls and dashes, it's the i-frames I have a problem with.
>>729000764Idk how people can have problems with the camera in soulsshit
>>729002396>>729002164go play urban reign. no joke.
I don't play fromslop. I'm white.
>>729002751I'll check it out, thanks.
I just wish Bandai never picked them up and they die off in the 7th gen so we can get more action game kino. They're everything that's wrong with video games.
>>728993353the faggot complaining about "roll slop" isn't capable of parrying. he's a mouth breathing poise faggot that wants to button mash his way to victory, likely didn't get past the first boss in elden ring
>>728992170This is so forced
>I HATE THING>EVERYONE MUST KNOW THAT I HATE THINGwhat kind of narcissist does one have to be to try to make sure everyone else knows their preferences?
Chinks and Gooks make better rollslop than Japs. Now parryslop too with Stellar Blade, WuKong, Khazan, and Lies of P beating Sekiro to death.
I think FF Rebirth has a better combat system than all of Fromslop's efforts but faggots refuse to play better games and stick with slop.
>>728992892The roll slop criticism eludes to higher tiers of combat systems that don't exist. That, or they just basically imply the DMC combat is the end all be all.
>>729003620every combat system is better than shit
>>728992170i think they're okayit felt like a natural evolution of third person action that had stagnated for a really fucking long time.Unfortunately instead of trying to iterate or expand on rollslop most devs are content with just emulating it over and over and over again.
FromSoft died the second they've made Dark Souls, their souls games is a waste of their potential, they can do much better gameplay than rollslop.It took over 10 fucking years for them to go back to the series that made them this good in the first place, but now with Elden's ring stupid "success" I'm really scared they'll just milk Elden Ring forever instead.>>728997208True
>>729003620I can't believe it was robbed of GOTY. It's way better than Elden Trash which only won because of GRRM's name and Sekitrash because they wanted to throw people off and Geoff hates Kojima for some reason.
>>729003874Armored Core is never good and trash. It's a miracle that this trash shovelware company stayed afloat this long when they should have died back in the 7th gen.
>>729003972Hearing this from a nuFF7 tranny retard I can only laugh real hard.
>>729003432Wuchang and Where Winds Meet as well.
>>729003620Normalfags are stupid and slurp up the next CoD, souls, or FIFA they can find.
>>728992170Based parry chad.
>>729004029It looks more impressive than shitsouls or amored bored. Square is a step ahead of Fromslop despite making shit decisions along the way.
>>729003192They aren't, their fans are. They're the ones who keep buying this trash. They're not even good as religious fanatic since they're shrugged off their one good game recently because it's not rollslop.
>>729004150Sekiro is trash but WuChang and WuKong were much better than it.
>>729004157>Square is a step ahead of [anything]Most delusional square shill of all time. Don't you have investors to fight off instead of being a clown on 4chan.org?
>>728992170no bully
>>729004179What good game have they produced? If you're talking about NR then you're retarded or Armored Shite then you're delusional.
>>729004249AC6 is the best game of this decade but you need high T to enjoy it. Bad luck for you I guess.
>Fromdrones when the next game is the same roll simulator with esoteric non story drops or gay shovelware mecha drops for the nth time.
I don't hate it I just wish it didn't become the dominant design choice. There are fewer and fewer games designed around proper spacing/positioning because everyone wants to copy FromSoft.
>>729004294AC6 didn't win shit and for a good reason. It's far from the best game from its year.
>>729004389Blame Western devs having no creativity left
>>729004389Chinks pick out the lowest hanging fruit from Japan and copy it.
To think about it, these games are just as bad as gacha but without the cute girls making it worse.
gg libra
>>729001302Retard
>>729002751>urban reignThat's a beat em up, right? I've never been into those but I guess some of those games cover for the kind of thing I'm looking, so I'll check it out
>>729003708>>729004098>>729003972>combat good because pretty colorskill all weebs
>>728996258There is something weird with the animation. He slides on the ground so far despite his animation showing just a few steps.
>>729002821BASED
>>729005231That's what happens when you fill your game with retarded shit like excessive tracking, magnetism and delayed animations. That animation was intended for half of that movement.
Here's your riveting gameplay bro
>>729003708>press xxy to awesome
>No dodges>No parries>No character progression>Enemies have attacks that you literally can't react to>Only seven enemy types but they still make for complex and difficult combat scenarios>No on-demand healing>Mechanical skill is rewarded>Small mistakes have huge consequences>Your reward for competent play is seeing the next stageReplace Captcha on /v/ with a ROM of Final Fight arcade and if you 1cc it you can post as much as you want for lifeNo one else should be allowed to use the board
>>729006005>No dodges>No parriesThis only works because sidestepping is a thing in Final Fight. You sidestep enemies.
>>728992170good thread
>>729006204>SidestepDo you mean moving on the Y axis? It's called positioning.
>>729005528>Stabs the boss through the chest with an epic cinematic prompt >5%HP removedThis is a major boss too what a fucking joke of a game.
>>729006458In 3D games you cannot sidestep because enemies can turn around in any direction rather than just facing directly left or right.
>>729006458It's a 2D sidestep. Don't be retarded.
>>729006623You face left or right in Final Fight. So do enemies. You can move on the X, Y, and Z axis in Final Fight. So can enemies. There is no sidestep. If you're playing a 3D game you can 100% step in a direction that the opponent isn't attacking.
>>729006701You mean moving up and fucking down? That's not sidestepping.
>>729006458Dude, I mean that you can approach enemies diagonally and they cannot hit you.This only works in 2D games and is the only reason the game works. If Andore could turn 360 degrees like in a 3D game, he would be impossible to beat because you can't repeatedly bait him tino walking diagonally into your fist or grab him from the side.
I was playing Salt and Sanctuary and I ended up enjoying it to my surprise. I never finished any FromSoft game.I guess Metroidvania Souls-likes are more my speed. Anything else like it?
Since /v/ has adopted positioning as the holy grail of action gaming, what are examples of games that use positioning well?
>>729006973That's called using the Z axis. Also enemies in Final Fight can move diagonally as well. And, just like enemies, you cannot attack diagonally. If you can hit Andore, he can hit you. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
>>729005528pure unfiltered goyslop
>>728992932worst Fromsoft game after DS2
>>728997925>ACK
>>729004098Final Fantasy is progression slop. If you can level up then it's not true difficulty.
>>728992170I personally don’t like the souls games because you feel like a slow lumbering idiot most of the time. I’ve never been a fan of stamina limiting my actions in games. Sekiro is slightly better with its movement but the gameplay is just clashing until one side falls over, kinda like rock em sock em robots. I’ve just accepted I can’t get into em and moved on
>>728992892I respect that those game allows me to play with super armor playstyle when I use big hit attacks while trading my HP for it.
>>728992170I absolutely despise Z-targeting and the ilk that has spawned from all these Soulslikes.
>>729007154Many metroidvanias made after 2017 are going to be similar to that. Just don't play the anime styled ones other than Rabi Ribi.
shazam lost and got raped
>>729007229Monster Hunter series before Wilds.
>>729006623>In 3D games you cannot sidestepSo every 3D fighting game is a lie
>>728992892/v/ users are mostly people locked in the basement and forced to play every game ever made in release order, but they're still allowed to complain on the internet for some reason.
>Shazam trannies turned out to be Final Fantasy niggersHhahahahshshsfhahahThis is genuinely sad, imagine being so mindbroken by fromsoft because your shit game didn't win a goty award.
>>728992892If a game gives me a tool, I'm going to use it. It's not my problem if it completely breaks the game.
>>729009298You arent mentally well Anon.
>>729008468>Z-targetingThat's Ocarina of Time
>>728992892In a game designed like Dark Souls parrying is fundamentally the same thing as rolling but with some risk/reward tacked on(smaller window to execute correctly but rewarded with damage) and blocking is either next to useless or busted as fuck and either way it's boring because you just mindlessly hold down a button.
>>729008093The stamina meter is there because fromsoft couldn't figure out a way to prevent players from stunlocking enemies to death. Nioh is the only game that actually does stamina well in an interesting manner.
Is there a game that /v/ likes?
>>729009439Any lock-on that takes away camera control and forces you to strafe is Z-targeting.
>>729009619Timesplitters
>>729009491Rolling allows you to reposition yourself in the middle of a fight and is relatively risk free. Parrying is often limited as not every enemy/boss can be parried
>>729009619Max Payne 1.
>>729009628And why is it called 'Z-targeting'?
>>729009619Streets of Rage
>>729009619Black Souls 1 and 2Sengoku RanceBlue ArchiveHat KidSignalisSerious SamDoom original
>>729007229Play beat em upsPlay shmupsPlay platformersWe need to go back to the arcade
>>729009619Holiness Miami 1 and Cave Story Fromslop isn't /v/core and pretty are Ubislop.
>>728996853>>728996402No. The final form is the series turning into a bullet hell but you and only you, move like you're playing DS2. Everything else flails at you at high speeds and long lasting AOEs that cover the whole arena. Can't run/roll away to breathe either cause they'll just leap/fly over to you and immediately start a combo. This is where the series is heading.
The spastic anime bosses suck and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>>729009439>>729008468Dunno, I slightly prefere free camera over lock-on, but I would understan that console gamers may prefere lock-on because I hate aiming with the joystick.
All of these games are putrid dogshit. Who the hell greenlights this slop?
>>728992170sigh...don't make me tap the sign...https://youtu.be/Np5PdpsfINA?si=upmVdja6PvrqXNVj
>>728992892Utterly retarded comment.
>>728992892No, parrying and blocking is le bad because you are using a button to perform a defensive option.You see, in a good action game or action RPG, you just get no defensive option and have to get slapped around by the enemies with no way to retaliate.
>>729005528How embarrassing. But yeah, Elden Shite is the most popular of rollslop because it's the easiest.
I can't understand how these games are popular in the first place. I played Sekiro and dropped it for DMCV instead What a dogshit series of a games. Fromsoft should get bankrupted.
>>729003620what's the fun in pausing the combat with the submenu?
The Souls games are parodies of themselves at this point.The boss HP bloat is ridiculous, the fights are way, way too long. 1 or 2 hit openings don't work anymore when instead of only needing to hit them 15-20 times you need to hit them 50-80. Throw in multiple phases for fucking everything you will need to attempt to learn adds a ludicrous amount of time to a boss that already might take 20 minutes on a successful attempt. And you need to do it almost perfectly, with 2 or 3 lapses of judgement or it's back to the beginning.The 6 hit combos with fakes, feints, 2 frame instant attacks, and change-ups completely ruining any sense of learning patterns or tells is a joke, not to mention you can only take 4-5 hits before you die. Good luck healing if you manage to survive because the boss will just swooce right across the entire arena to punish you. Their hurtboxes are fucking massive. Shields are ALMOST workable though, for the first time since Artorias of the Abyss, but they still have the same issue of stunlocking you for multiple seconds if you run out of stamina which is even deadlier than getting caught rolling at the wrong time so you need to rely on rolling anyways.Bosses used to be a highlight of Souls games, now I dread reaching one. The last time I had fun with From boss fights was Bloodborne because being giant, hyper-aggressive, twitchy, sperglords was actually built around with the player's moveset.Fromsoft needs to get a fucking grip but their modern fanbse rivals the size of an African nation and 90% of them are mouthbreathing buffoons that eat this crap up because LE PREPARE TO LE DIE IT IS LE SO LE HARD GIT GUD SCRUB so why ever change it?
>Fromdrone anal devastationAmazing
>>729016452>Fromdrone anal devastationThat's fucking hot. I kinda wish I was a fromdrone right now.
>>728992892>Block>Half of your health goes away apart from all of itLMAO, your shit game is fucking rollslop, stop trying to stand on some faggy high horse for your shit genre.
>>729009619Old games are the best, end of story.
>>728996149>but it's garbage against the strongest bosses in elden ringthe meta for the hardest boss in the game, and the hardest boss they've ever made, is just to block and poke
>>728996258this boss in reforged is pure cancerthe only one worse is the royal revenant
>>729018407>reforged is pure cancerYeah
>>728992170>open up new ARPG no rest for the wicked>full of tracking enemies with huge swings and delays>friendly fire is on so you can't even melee a dude with your friend without hitting each other, in a game where the combat is "brutal" and any mistake can get you killed, especially because we're underleveled(they want us to grind healing resources over and over to level i guess?)>stamina management but NPC's can swing forever>NPC's randomly decide they don't flinch anymore after a certain amount of damage, waiting doesn't seem to reset this until the enemy swings>twohanded weapons are so fucking slow that bosses give you barely any room to poke more than once, all while expecting you to once again, memorize the exact timing of things because all the bosses have delayed swings on their big sweeps, my friend refuses to switch to a faster weapon and we both suffer for iti'm so fucking sick of games like this, it feels like i'm playing the same shit every time i launch an action game
rollslop combat is absolute dogshit and all you have to do to know this is look at the horrible gimmicky animations that are designed to break the laws of physics just to trick the player into pressing roll at the wrong time.>dumbfuck boss raises his weapon in the air over his head for literally 4 seconds before finally bringing it down for the attack in a completely unreactable speed thanks to the input delay and garbage roll on button release controlsfuck the devs who make this trash and fuck everyone who enjoys it
>>729018740>NPC's randomly decide they don't flinch anymore after a certain amount of damage, waiting doesn't seem to reset this until the enemy swingsThis is by far the worst thing to have become a standard in action games.
>>729000387Simply move out of the way to avoid attacks. Insane, right?
The only ones that hate soulslikes are subhumans that just wanna mash buttons, they're the ones that could never git gud and now they seethe eternally at the success of these games while mindlessly grinding away at their Diablo clones and sandbag jugglers.
>>728992932>Parryslop
The only good soulslike I've ever played was the new Zeno Clash game, and it's not even really a soulslike.
>>728992170What kind of games do you like anon?
>>729020837Nostalgia goggles off; the new one is better than 1 and 2 in almost every way.
>>729019612>Enemy turns around during the attack animation
>>7290210642 has crazier/creative environments.Clash often felt too mundane with the Amokuali being like the only real standout.
>>729021553>Move out of the way again
>>728992892>just ignore the iframes bro
>>728996149In Elden Ring, blocking is useless on bosses unless you're using a MASSIVE shield with very high guard boost.
>>729021926>enemy turns again and hits you.Sidestepping only works in the absence of the third dimension.
>>728992170Elden Ring unironically did modern From combat best>From is never going back to DeS, DS1, DS2 slow and methodical combat>iframes from dodge/dash are way too powerful in BB and DS3>Sekiro deflects are just as broken as the former but you spam a different button so retards defend it>ER rolls are near useless outside of positioning, so if you want a real defensive option you need to invest in it.
>>729004420It beat spider woke 2 in the only nomination it got. And yes e33 is a more deserving goty winner than overated gate 3
Why do turd world tendies despise FROM and their games so much?Is it because people seem to genuinely enjoy their games instead of forcing themselves to because there's a specific company logo in the box art?
>>729023495>You do not like the games I like so you are a tendie and a turd worder.I like this logic.
>>728992170rollslopware and its consequences have been a disaster for gayming
>>728996095>I NEED to be able to make a bunch of mistakes in a rowThe amount of times I have died in souls while I had lots of flasks still shows why this design philosophy is better. You fuck up, you die. Get better.
>>728996853It gets worse. Play Nightreign. I had to refund that shit.
>>728992170Controversial opinion perhaps but I think we should calling things slop and instead articulate our complaints more intelligently if we want to be taken seriously
>>729024478>taking nintendo fans seriously>ever
>>729022223I beat the game pretty easily with greatsword and dodge midrolling or whatever it's called, so I have no clue what you're on about.
>>728992170I agree, rollslop is not great. Des, ds1, and ds2 were great, though.
>>729009619Lies of P
>>729024886They are 5/10 games at best
>>728992170This is now a souls discussion threadThe best souls game would be taking the world design, lore, and armor/shield effectiveness of dark souls 1, with the movement, stamina costs, and wielding options of dark souls 2, with the healing, upgrade system, and fluidity of movement of dark souls 3, and the rally system and dodge instead of roll of bloodborne.
>>729025706Des and ds2, definitely not. They are both great complete games, at least 7/10. Ds1 maybe, but only because of the atrocious upgrade system and outright unfinished endgame.
>>729025782The best souls game would be deleting the shit series from existence
Come up with a new way to avoid damage in a video game that's not a parry, i-frame dodge, blocking, or walking
>>728992170>dodge a 20 second attack string with various timings on each attack>finally get an opening to get one attack off>get a little too greedy and go for a second swing>boss hits me and chunks at the absolute least half my hp>have to run across the entire arena to safely heal or else the boss will leap over (or use a ranged attack) and hit me in the middle of the healing animation>repeat this for like 2 phases and then the boss finally dies>pseudo intellectuals on the internet somehow think this is the pinnacle of gaming
>>729026761I'm aorry reaction time and pattern recognition are so difficult for you, but they are lots of games at you pace, I'm sure. Idle games, for instance.
you guys know that rolling is just one method through which you can avoid damage, right? You don't need to do it. In fact, you can block or parry. You can even run out of the way in some cases. When you say that you hate rolling, what you're really saying is that you hate having to rely on a single tactic for 95% of content. :That's fine, but take a look around, fool. Name a game, any game, and tell me that your so called "variety" exists in it. I'll bet it doesn't, and it can be boiled down to an optimal strategy in the same way that 'rollslop' can be.You know I'm right, I'm out here dropping trvthnvkes and you can't stop me.
>caveman can't imagine trying different gameplay tactics Is it truly a skill issue?
>>729029890It's neither rewarding in-game nor enjoyable to play that way.
>>729022158Just don't get hit bro.
>>729029095the majority of bosses in souls games can't be parried or can stagger you in like two hits using a shield
Why does this thread's posts seem infinitely more disingenuous than other threads especially on this fucking board of all things? The buzzwords per post are way above the average and everything is phrased like bait. Its insane.
>>729029890Yes, being successors to King's Field and Shadow Tower, these are games where you're expected to actually be using armor, shields, magic, different weapon types, projectiles, and consumable items to overcome challenges, not just mashing your sword into everything and crying when you get hurt. The culture of ignoring as many game mechanics as possible that's formed around these games has done more damage to people's enjoyment of them than any design decisions From makes themselves.
