>Ironically, Blue Prince used generative AI for its art assets as well. This includes small stuff like various background pieces, nothing core. But it still used it.>In fact, Blue Prince developers didn’t even claim this AI was “patched out.” This means that Blue Prince still has AI assets in the final product when it was being judged by the performative and self-righteous Indie Game Awards.I guess the Indie Game Awards will be revoking the Game of the Year award for a second time after initially taking it from E33 for AI use and giving it to Blue Prince instead. Third time's a charm?https://www.escapistmagazine.com/news-indie-game-awards-clair-obscur/
>>728993838>Indie game awardsLiterally who?
>>728993838>fuck Game A for using AI, I now support Game B!>Uhhh we also used AI>t-then I support Game C!>got some bad news for you, broGuess this is going to be the state of discourse moving forward.
>>728993838Guess at this rate they'll be giving "game of the year" to a game that's dogshit, because every game that stood out this year doesn't align with their "artist"-pandering stance.
>>728993838uhh source?
>>728993875The awards show that gave Expedition 33 both GOTY and Best Debut only to strip them of it one day later after it came out that they used AI while developing the game. It's a pretty big story.
AI is here to stay, and everyone had better get used to the idea.
>>728993949anti-ai and "its just a bubble" faggots getting BTFO'd at every turn
They should strip them too
>>728993980Why do you npc golems care about "awards" so much? Think for yourself please
>>728993962There's a link to the article at the bottom of OP's post.
>>728993980>It's a pretty big story.It's really not
>indie games using aiDuh.
>>728993838>escapist magazineWhe did the Blue Prince devs said they used AI art?
>>728993980>the award show for a class of games that they can't even define Not a big deal at all, just like everything they've ever done. They lose my respect just from nominating e33 at all as an indie even more than them being anti-ai losers.
>>728994023i see that, but the article doesn't provide any proof blue prince assets are ai, not even a quote
>>728993838>think the article will detail exactly what kind of ai blue prince devs used and feature full quote or itw with him >instead its a very poorly written rant piece game journo standard is such dogshit im tired, i dont care about these fake awards and fake controversies and ai isnt even the worse thing about the current and future state of this dogshit industry
>>728994068Fun fact: The article was probably written by AI.
>>728993998it IS a bubble thoughthe people running the data centers are bleeding money, pretty soon it will be impossible to keep online
Anti-AI hysteria is so absurdly retarded I love it.
>>728993838What's the indie game awards?
Blue prince is better anyway.
I asked Gemini and they say Blue Prince didn't use AI.
>>728994132Good morning sir.
>>728994145Blue prince is an exercise in wasting as much of your time as it possibly can, for an absolute wet fart of a story.
>>728994107i read it and it doesnt even sound like a generic llm text, it sounds like some complete midwit trying to sound like hes above it all but completely failing at ithow does escapist even get user donations when the writing is this bad
>>728994212The Escapist is the website that fired literally all their staff including Yahtzee.
>>728993838Every game dev uses AI
>>728994260And then they hired more. They list the person that wrote each article below the headline. OP image just cropped it out.
>>728994207>storyits a puzzle game
>>728994046They didn't, but the article talks about it casually as if it's a known thing. Did they mix it up with a different game?
>>728994260i see, i thought it was the new site he made (i dont follow him but i remember anons talking about this drama)theres zero quote online that i can find about tonda talking about ai anyway, looks like some fake shit a seething e33 fan made up and those tards ran with it for a cheap headline
>>728994118>automobiles? bubble, ford isn't making any money>hollywood? Bubble, studios folding left and right. Nobody actually cares that much about moving pictures >oil? bubble, Rockefeller isn't making any money>.com? bubble, and once it bursts nobody will ever care about the internet and websites won't be major players in the economy anymore You are now here>AI? Bubble, certain sections of the industry aren't making money
>>728993838>no source other than "dude trust me"
>>728994046If you google 'blue prince ai use' the google ai answer says they did, so therefore they did
>>728994565Grok said it didnt (and by that I mean grok said the developer hasn't admitted anything) so idk. As far as im concerned all devs are using it and if they aren't they're idiots. Especially low resource indie devs who absolutely should be using time/money saving tools.
>indie game>expedition 33???
>>728994312Probably just edited what the AI shat out.
>>728993838Why are people even mad about AI use? Is it aversion to AI in general, or just generative AI (a subset of machine learning)? Things like NPC pathing also falls under the broader domain of AI, if it uses pathing algorithms like Dijkstra's algorithm or A*. Do people have a problem with those? If not, why? Those have been a part of gaming for as long as gaming has been around.
Wait....Expedition 33 used AI? First I'm hearing about it.
>>728993838>>728993957>>728994503>>728994616This is the writer AItrannies are relying onhttps://www.escapistmagazine.com/news-incels-mad-trans-woman-milk-cup/
>>728994651>AI bubbles makes hardware unaffordable >people overusing AI tools rather than learning>AI slop being disgusting in general
>>728994651Because we have an obligation to pay voice actors and trannylators.
>>728993998I don't think any AI company has made money so far. So it might be a bubble in the long term.
>>728994701>>728994682
>>728994157minimal AI is still AI
>>728994663It used it for placeholder assets
>>728994503are you seriously claiming that .com WASN'T a bubble?
>>728994651I think its some kind of social contagion / mass hysteria at this point.
>>728993980>It's a pretty big story.for you
>>728994503ford, movies and oil did not spend years selling cars, oil and kinoplex tickets at a loss.
>>728993838everyone is using ai in some capacity its a matter if just an aid in the pipeline or you just lazily fill the game with generated slop
>>728994682Dogshit article aside, I'm surprised it was even written by a real person. The Escapist seriously still has people writing articles for it? That's the most surprising news on the board.
>>728993980so E33 actually did the right thing
>>728994992>>728993838Additional irony. The article is probably written by AI. Also hilarity at BP being chosen over Team Cherry. Some fucks really hate them I guess.
>>728994945Didn't we all dogpile Tim Sweeney for making this exact point like two weeks ago?
>>728993838>>728993980This is all public knowledge before the awards I have a feeling this only kick up where they were chasing Larian Studios AI use. They are now seeing how steeped it is in everything and it's a lose/lose of letting Larian Studios walk away unscathed or take everyone one down with them in hopes they stay down.
>>728993998>Oil and natural gas are here to stay therefore Enron was not a cluster fuck waiting to implodeWhy does this species of retard keep posting this stupid shit?
>>728995036No, it wasn't. Unless you think an AI wrote this shit >>728994682 ranting about "incels" not supporting troons which has the exact same writer as the OP article.
>>728994696>>AI bubbles makes hardware unaffordable But that's a temporary market condition, no? The demand for hardware still exists for the non-AI consumers, so it will be filled by manufacturers. Even if companies like NVIDIA pivot to creating tech for AI, that leaves a void for other companies to fill. Doesn't seem like something that's inherent to the technology.>>people overusing AI tools rather than learningWhy is whether someone else is learning relevant to me, as a consumer? What's relevant to me is whether the end product is good. I don't care whether their mom made it for them, if it's good, I'll buy and play it. They can be a total moron for all I care.>>AI slop being disgusting in generalIf you define AI usage as disgusting, then in logic terms you're begging the question, meaning you're presupposing the conclusion.Listen, I'm not here to argue that you should like or dislike AI. I'm just curious why people have that reaction to it, and reasons like these I find to be unconvincing. I suspect there's something more going on here, which is what I want to get to the bottom of, since it seems to me the arguments you provided came from motivated reasoning, and aren't the actual reasons for that stance.
>>728995047>wethere needs to be a word for the digital equivalent of a nigger. the type that immediately starts engaging in the same kind of groupthink chimpout but on twitter / here
>>728995047>weThere's always been nuanced people discussing the topic rationally. They do tend to get drowned out by reactionaries though.
>>728995047people here have always been using that counter point. Are you getting your replies from reddit and reposting them here?
>>728995129People have the reaction because people look at AI art and think it looks bad, and it’s icky to think of a robot making art.
what made him finally talk to ball man and is there a clip of that?
>silksong trannies seething that they didn't win GOTYLMAO
>>728995209>and it’s icky to think of a robot making art.where are you people coming from
>>728994651i have no problem if small teams use it for ideating during concept phase or to flesh out some aspects they otherwise wouldnt even be able to afford like voice acting or some small background art in a corner of a room and if they also disclose it properly, and if the game is priced accordingly because ai use cheapens the experience for me so i can accept it for cheap products but dont try to bullshit memaybe your game doesnt need voice acting in the first place, perhaps using silence or some other creative solution is better than jarring robotic voices, maybe your room doesnt need some slop painting on the wall and would benefit from a clean minimalistic visual style instead, the problem is when devs just use tools without thoughti have a problem with it when they dont disclose it or they lie about it, or theres very little quality control and thought put into it, in that way its similar to asset store recycling, how do you not feel disgust when you see blatant chink asset flips?a small percent of usage of these lazy workarounds can go unnoticed but when its all you can see, its just cheap trashmeanwhile i think a lot of people into indie value indie precisely because they can be more creative and original in concepts instead of blindly trying to cover up lack of production value with half assed solutions
>>728993838Lmao.
>>728994157Gork says it's true though
>>728995307Forgot the picture that portrays the act of lmaoing.
>>728995258>ask question about the general public>is mad when given answer
>>728995258Not mumbai like you, Ranjeesh.
>>728995106Checking the writer's output, check the 18th, plenty of days with a similar amount of shlock. This author is 100 percent using gen AI.
>>728995319But what does Mork say?
>>728995319There’s no credible evidence that Blue Prince used generative AI (Gen AI) in its development.Here’s what we know from available sources: Blue Prince developmentBlue Prince is an indie puzzle-roguelike game developed by Dogubomb and published by Raw Fury, created over many years by Tonda Ros. It received critical acclaim for its unique mechanics and handcrafted design. Wikipedia No known AI usageThere’s no reported statement from the developer or publisher saying that generative AI was used in creating Blue Prince (no generative AI for art, writing, code, or other game assets has been publicly acknowledged). Searches and available interviews about the game’s creation focus on Ros’s long solo development process and inspirations rather than AI tools. gamefile.news+1 Rumors vs factsSome discussions online speculate about AI in relation to the game (e.g., rumors or Reddit threads), but these are not substantiated by official sources. In other words, speculation doesn’t count as evidence of Gen AI use. Reddit ContextIn the broader games industry, some developers do use generative AI for certain tasks (e.g., ideation or references), but Blue Prince has not been part of those reports. The Verge Summary: There’s no indication that Blue Prince used generative AI in its creation based on current information. If the developer or publisher releases a statement in the future clarifying this, that would be the most reliable source — but as of now, all signs point to traditional development.saaarGPT disagrees saar
>>728994862He claimed no one will use the internet when it popped but that wasn't the case. Tons of people got fucked by it though
>>728993962Everyone ITT is shitposting about something that never even happened.
>>728993875troonsno really, a bunch of troon devs and magazines.
>>728993838Reminder that this claim is completely uncited and any searches related to the presence of AI content in Blue Prince will only turn up that very escapist article.
>>728993980Most, if not all, games use AI though, what the fuck are they talking about
>>728994682hahaha oh wow, no wonder yahtzee escaped from that place!
>>728995414Jej.
>>728995028>lied about not using AI>got caught >removed the obvious assets, leaving the rest
>>728995414When evaluating whether indie games like Blue Prince are using generative AI, we first have to clarify the real question. The question is not “was AI used,” but rather: does the work exhibit what I call Synthetic Intent Drift—the unmistakable odor of authorship decay.Because generative AI is not a tool in the neutral sense. It is, specifically, a Taste Liquefier. It dissolves constraint. It replaces decision with interpolation. And interpolation is the enemy of mastery.People fixate on asset provenance, like whether a texture was hand-painted or midjourneyed, which is a complete category error. That’s like judging Dodonpachi by whether the bullets were drawn with a tablet or a mouse. What matters is pressure. What matters is density. What matters is whether the design forces the creator to commit.Games like Blue Prince trade almost entirely in what I call Architectural Suggestion Loops: rooms that imply meaning without enforcing consequence, puzzles that gesture at cleverness while insulating the player from failure. This is fertile ground for Gen-AI contamination, because AI thrives exactly where designers stop making hard exclusions.Contrast this with games that cannot hide AI involvement even if they wanted to. Try inserting Gen AI into Ketsui. You can’t. The scoring system would immediately expose it like a contaminated blood sample. That’s Taste Immune Response. Blue Prince, by contrast, operates in what I call Ludic Negative Space, where the absence of friction becomes the selling point.This is why AI discourse around indies is so catastrophically stupid. People think the danger is plagiarism. It’s not. The danger is Design Deliquescence: mechanics soft enough that authorship ceases to matter. Where a human designer and a language model converge on the same solution because the solution is already noncommittal. So when someone asks, “Did this indie game use Gen AI?” what they’re really asking is whether the game exhibits Taste Sludge.
>people using AI to fact check a likely AI generated article all with contradicting information in the response and all with different responsesThe future is so fucking lame
>>728995568>synthetic intent driftIs this like gameplay density resource snowing?
>>728993838Thou Shalt Not Make a Machine in the Likeness of a Human Mind.
>>728995576>Gen Alpha somehow lack all of the google savvy Zoomers grew up with>literally just use the first result of google>google AI releases and the overview is always the first result>Jeets and retards here and also everywhere else will now unironically start a conversation with "I asked google AI this and"Fucking unbelievable how quickly we spiralled. Everyone's just vouching for intentional and willful lobotomies instead of doing the bare minimum of "research" into anything.
>>728993838lmao they just hated Exp33 because it's the only """""indie""""" game with tens of millions of dollars budget backing. understandably so
>>728995576Nah the article isn't AI, see >>728994682
>>728995676he was advocating for Islam invasion. hes a plant
>game of the year is "ai slop"yikes... not looking good for anti ai sissies.
>>728995753are you retarded? i just want to know before I decide to waste my time.
>>728995709I'm sure Silksong had an even bigger budget, considering HK's sales, althoughbeit. Still, E33 lover I might be, but TGA nominations was the first time I've heard the game called an "indie", from the very announcement trailer I thought about it as an "AA" game.
>>728995708Zoomers believed everything they read too, it was just from a retard on Tiktok or Tumblr instead of a stupid chatbot. Nobody fucking fact checks anything. "Dont believe everything you read on the internet" is all but forgotten.As a 40 yr old I cant even get mad at the decline; already went through that phase. The cattle will do what they do every other time with the latest bread and circuses.
>>728995129>Why is whether someone else is learning relevant to me, as a consumer?Because it leaves us with a population of morons who don't know how to do anything but ask a robot what to do. They won't be suitable for anything but the most menial labor and even then they're gonna be terrible at it.
>>728995074The current hype machine requires misleading people to keep it going for as long as possible. Expect the discourse to remain this shitty until the bubble pops for real.
>>728995676shut up retard
Blue Prince is an absolute faggot game that that jewish snake Schrier shilled. It was a trash game and doesn't deserve any awards.
>>728994862^ even AI is smarter than this nigga
>>728995209>People have the reaction because people look at AI art and think it looks badOkay, but there's human art that looks bad, and I don't see people running around calling all human art bad, denouncing its use for commercial purposes full-throatedly, and getting really agitated over it.>and it’s icky to think of a robot making art.But that wasn't the initial reaction when better image generating models were released. People were amazed that a robot could produce output like that, despite its flaws. They making weird memes with it, trying to jail brake it, having a good time. So this doesn't seem like an organic development to go from this to this denouncement hysteria. From the way I see it, it seems the explosion in that sentiment seems to have coincided specifically with adopting asset-generating models for commercial use. Generative AI had been adopted for the purpose of writing code way before the better image generating models were released, and the general public didn't care about that.>>728995347It's a different poster.
>>728993980>It's a pretty big story.Only because you're stupid enough to allow it to be. Whoever runs the awards clearly doesn't give a shit about AI. What they wanted was publicity, and stripping arguably the biggest game of the year of an award is the perfect way to generate buzz for an awards show nobody would have heard about otherwise. The fact that E33 used AI is incidental; they would have contrived some other reason to strip them of the award.
>>728996036People are opposed to it because it's another vector of "outsourcing" which devalues human labor, especially creative one.Just like how a lot of jobs were outsources overseas to cut corners and increase profits this is doing the same.The end point for any "business owner" is to have no employees and the production is still going on and this particular AI thing is making business owners think this is achievable. Once entire industries are gutted, people lose their jobs and that entire field essentially dies out as a viable career choice. In the US many industries effectively disappeared because they got outsources entirely.AI just facilitates more of that logic and any ground given to it will never be retrieved.
>>728996250Ok and? Adapt or die.
>>728995870So people are mad that it would make the society dumber. But you'd need to make an argument that a person using gen AI to generate an art asset would instead learn how to make that asset themselves in the absence of gen AI, instead of just not bothering at all. I suspect most people who do use it simply wouldn't bother, since doing it yourself requires a significant amount of dedication of one's life, and there are other things they'd rather be doing. So it's not like they're getting dumber, they wouldn't be any smarter otherwise. I don't see it.
>>728996036People were fine with AI when it was something to joke around with and not take seriously.That's the fundamental difference, people are inherently put off by needing to treat AI as a serious aspect of their lives with affects everything they do instead of a dancing money.
>>728994118As long as governments are willing to bail them out it's irrelevant if it's never profitable
>>728996383*lives which affects everything they do instead of a dancing monkey
>FEAR has such good enemy AI>oh but this game used heckin AI???
>>728993980>after it came outWere all of the judges in a collective coma? E33 using AI has been know since a few days after it came out.
>>728993838Blue Prince using AI would explain why the puzzles are so illogical
>>728993838anti ai people are literally worse than woke people or are they the same?literally fucking no one is using gen ai for finished assetswho cares what anyone uses as placeholders during development? a brown texture or gen ai? DOESNT FUCKING MATTEReven better this fucking onions nigger is exactly what you'd expect a person like this to look like
>>728995708Bruh so much this. People first of all interpret everything wrong like they cant even read and second they parrot the first thing they see. Most of the stuff on /v/ is just some random nigger on X saying whatever and people will copy paste it here
>>728996754Anyways nobody fucking cares if they used AI if the quality matches hieman. Which to be fair is rare but who the fuck cares really?!
>>728996963it is THEFT!!!copying by hand is OKAY!!!!
>>728996754>literally fucking no one is using gen ai for finished assetsAnno, the new Call of Duty and Arc Raiders does. Peak Indian hours at the moment.
>>728997061i dont care about cod of booty, it isn't gonna sell less or more because of some ai generated banner you never see in game
>>728993838
>>728993838why is this "news" article written like someone's personal blog rantgod the escapist is such dogshit
>>728996250So it stems from being a luddite and others standing in solidarity with said luddites. I don't mean it as an offensive term, I use it merely in an attempt to use an accurate descriptor for the phenomenon. Just to make sure I understand, that's what it boils down to? I mean, sure, it shrinks the market for art as mere products, but it's not going to replace the demand for art as art. By that I mean that it's not going to take away the demand for the widgets stemming from the combination of human self-expression and technical proficiency. People will still want to see bands perform. They will still want to play auteur indie games. So it sort of forces an artist to be an actual artist to survive on a commercial basis, rather then letting them make a living by just making products. Which I see as potentially disincentivising pursuing the skills required to make art. But those incentives weren't really strong in the first place, since you wouldn't make a lot of money by just making art as a product. I think most people go into it with the intention of making it big on the commercial basis, and you need to make art as art for that to be the case. You're not making Taylor Swift money as a concept artist for a AAA company. So it might just transform how artists go about life, and they'll have to have other marketable skills, and do art on the side. Which is certainly doable. I know a guy who's a chemistry professor and also a fantastic painter. But the current generation of artists who don't have any other skills might be fucked.
>>728997197>so many words yet nothing of substance saidYou lot really excel at that.
>>728993949Don't worry, they'll figure out they were supposed to get on the ship once it's at a port of call a thousand miles down the coastline.
>>728997248If that's your attempt at sophistry then you'd have been better off not replying at all.
>>728995576>take out loans for uni>use AI for assignments>professors use AI to grade your assignmentsthe absolute state
>>728995576Which one should I trust fully and be loyal to though?
>>728995576The fad is already dying. It's just an excuse to build new spy centers and nuclear plants in such a way to ignore the greens.
>>728997197Was "Luddite" the word of the day on India's calendar? Why has there been such a massive spike in usage of that word on /v/ to defend AI?
>>728993838Pretty sure this article is an Expedition GPT fan deflecting and throwing out baseless accusations. Blue Prince ain't slop.
>>728994118It doesn't matter if there's a "bubble popping" armageddon. Because open source lags behind by only a year or two. Open source means you can run it on your own GPU. So that means a data center isn't required. Do you understand just how utterly fucked anti-ai "it's just a fad guys" are now?
>>728997474cope
>>728997434AI shills can only communicate using luddite and horse and car analogies
>>728997434gee i wonder why someone would use luddite as an insult for someone whos against new technology...
>>728997434Are you too offended by me using that word to engage with the substance of what I'm saying? I can use another one you prefer, but I personally don't know any that accurately describes the presented phenomenon. It's almost as if you completely ignored me saying that I don't mean it in a derogatory sense, and that I'm using it in an attempt to accurately name the phenomenon.
What's Blue Prince? Never heard of it. Is it more or less pretentious than E33?
>>728995504>lied about not using AIActually, they said the finished product didn't include any slop. This was true except for a couple placeholders slipping through, which they then fixed. Mistakenly forgetting to replace the placeholders doesn't mean they lied, since the intention was to not have AI slop in the game.>removed the obvious assets, leaving the restFeel free to point to even 1 (one) AI generated texture still in the game.
>>728993838>this AA budget slop made by 500 people needed to steal more awards from smaller devs
>>728997717Probably more honestly but it's a better game and has no AI slop whatsoever despite what the retarded Escapist article claims without evidence.
>>728998069LOOT AT HIM COPE. HE ENJOYED THE AI SLOP UNKNOWINGLY
>>728998121Wrong. I don't play any AI slop and never will.
>>728995841They haven't spent their millions from developing HK on silksong lmaoIt's like assuming that salaries spent on Devs of Ass Rape 1 would automatically increase the budget of Ass Rape 2 Orgasmic BoogalooMakes no sense
>>728997905"This was true except for" is just another way of saying "This wasn't true".
>>728998734For indie devs it does make sense. The money from previous games doesn't go to leeches at the top or yearly 10 million bonuses for Koticks.Although Team Cherry probably doesn't have a "budget" at all. They just have enough money to live with worrying about anything, so they make their next games without having to think about things like that at all.
>>728993838OY VEY SHUT IT DOWN
>>728994701My budget my choice, you are not entitled to my money!
>>728997434We use luddite because it's kinder than calling you retarded faggots.
>>728997587>AI shills can only communicate using facts and logicWow, using historical incidents and analogies of similar events that happened in the past as arguments? The audacity!
>>728999434And calling us "bloody benchod" would be too on the nose.
Using AI to make your game is just asset flipping. Lazy shit
>>728999612So you are admitting that you are indian?
>>728993949yeah, which is why this whole shit is retarded,probably every game released in the last couple years has probably had some programmer ask AI for help with code at some point, whether you know it or notI don't even use AI myself and think it's effects on the pricing of parts is not equal to service it provides but this is the reality we live in now, just judge things for what they are
>>729000247Go back to twitter, Tim.
>>728993838I wish they retract themselves just to shit on those stupid virtue signaling litterally who awards.
>>728993838protip any game with more than a million in budget uses AI
>>728997532Do you understand just how retarded you are? Nobody's claiming that the bubble popping will instantly delete AI. What's going to happen is that when Sam ((Altman)) can no longer convince investors to keep handing him bags of cash, the entire data center "economy" will collapse like a house of cards. When everybody can see trillions of dollars going up in fucking smoke and even more have to be wasted mitigating the losses, NOBODY is going to want to touch commercial AI and it'll all be relegated to private use and machine learning (which is actually useful and we've had since the 2000s).We're already at the point where you can't improve a LLM by feeding it more data. The AGI pipe dream is a fucking scam.
>>728995285I think this is exactly what I think about with it, as long as it it’s mentioned and I can get it being used reasonably, then why should I give a fuck? that’s why I can’t help but find most cases of this sort of outrage to be so retarded, because the shit these seething faggots whine about feels so arbitrary
Nobody cares about Ai generated code.
>>728998762Try reading the rest of the post next time. They didn't deliberately lie, just forgot to replace a couple placeholders.
>>729001024I'm saying your obsession with these billionaires is completely fucking irrelevant. YOU'RE RETARDED for not realizing this, you're going to be cheering with this massive boner when companies inevitably fail due to competition, but it doesn't even matter if they ALL fucking die. I don't know how you can call me the retard, I already know everything you just stated in your post, I'M the one bringing new information to the table here, I'm educating YOU.
>>729001292Why not?
>But let’s be real: All games use AI in some way. From NPC behavior to object texture to coding to tracking developer tasks, all games use AI. It’s just the way it is now.what, AI behaviour and GenAI is not the same>But again, all games have used AI in some way. It’s no jab at Blue Prince – it’s a jab at the Indie Game Awards. This reminds me of my friends who tell me they refuse to use Amazon because Jeff Bezos is an evil billionaire. It’s true that he is, but they’re texting me that from their iPhone while wearing clothes made by some sweatshop workers and listening to Spotify, which apparently supports ICE. When does it end?she's literally doing the thing
>>728993838>Source: trust me broThe absolute state of modern journalism.I hope he didn't, and he sues The Escapist for defamation.
rough day for the trannyslop33 cultists
>>729001498Oh I just got here you fungus. What I'm saying is that I really don't think there are people who genuinely think it'll vanish. What will happen though is that without monetary backing from governments, AI development will stagnate. It already is, but it'll freeze up completely as players start to settle for more reliable options. Even local LLMs have their limits in development and usefulness.A big reason big companies are forcing AI in the first place is entirely monetary. It's not because it produces results.Listen, I'll call it, AI as we know it today won't disappear, but the name will. 5 years from now we'll be calling it LLM, Search Support, Auto Generation, Fractal Computing, whatever. Just not "AI" because that term will be relegated back to referring to true machine intelligence. It'll be used in companies with tailor made stacks with very limited capabilities to assist with specific tasks like a highly focused search engine. Workflows will forever be changed but it won't look like today's vibe coding slop either.
>>729001892Trannyslop33 cultist here. At least I'm not a tendie melty cultist kek
>>728993838we should just go back to stone tools to create more jobs because that's the meaning of life tbqhwyf
>>728997532Shit man we kinda cooked this guy is right
>>728993838https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd0p96miSK8
>>728994317Where are the puzzles?
>>728994651>Why are people even mad about AI use?Depends on your political alignment. Libs hate AI because it deprived artists of jobs. They don't seem to care about the quality or the soul of the work, they're happy for AI to be used to create all the ideas in the game for instance, as long as an artist was paid to paint over everything and all of the hard assets that ship with the final product were created by human hands.Chuds are the opposite, they don't care about people losing their jobs, but they do care about the soul and the creative quality of the game. They would be more likely to take issue with devs using AI to come up with all the ideas in the game, and less likely to care about whether or not some insignificant background textures in the shipped game are AI generated rather than paying some artist to do it.Then of course there are people on both sides of the spectrum who don't care a great deal about it. Liberals are more likely to care, I think, and I say this as a liberal, because liberal ideology is more dogmatic. There is a right way and a wrong way to think if you're a liberal and there is not much room for independent thought.
>>729002618Leftists =/= liberals you moron.
>>728995420cope
>>728993949You expected anti-AI faggots to be intelligent?
>>729002618>but they do care about the soul and the creative quality of the gameOf AAA games? The ones made by hundreds (thousands?) of people specifically as products that are supposed to appeal to consumers, not as vehicles for self-expression? I think the chuds might be a bit confused on that one. Also, it's people left of liberals going after AI usage. The illiberal kinds of progressives, socialists, and communists. If you're genuinely a liberal, then you'd have no good reason to rage about AI. Liberalism is about ensuring negative freedoms. Not trying to bludgeon others to ensure positive ones.
>>729003872There's an incredible amount of individual work that goes into every development.It actually made me a little bit sad seeing all the behind the scenes footage from the development of FFXV and how they went out and did all kinds of location shoots and developed techniques for photogrammetry to bring the environments to life. Only for the game to turn out a load of horse shit and all that hard work completely squandered, with lot of that effort cordoned off into some piece of shit corner 90% of players will never see.A lot of the personal touches you used to see in big developments are however already all but gone thanks to all the outsourcing.
>>728994651A few types of people>retards on twitter or /v/ (what's the difference anymore?) regurgitating the opinions they read just because it's popular to have themThis is the most common type of person on the internet>starving artists who get by on patreon bux and their supporters mad that their whales are just going to gen an infinite number of furry futa inflation porn for free>ecofags who read a bunch of scaaaary sounding articles about how AI is killing the planet or something>actual kinda-sorta consious consumers that don't want everything to be sloppified by low effort garbage (even though it already is)
>>729004193Using generative AI to make games is like developing with Google image search. It might look alright if you squint but you can't escape the Shutterstock watermarks.
>>729004112>There's an incredible amount of individual work that goes into every development.It's design by committee specifically to maximize profits. Any individuality or self-expression is stamped out in 20 meetings about whether and how a bottle of water should be included in a level. AAA games are products. Ones whose only purpose is to appeal to the consumer. They can be great products, but there's not much artistic merit to them. So I don't buy this bemoaning of some supposed loss of artistic merit, when there was not much artistic merit to lose to begin with. Besides, chuds are the first ones to criticize games for having woke shit, because in their mind that supposedly panders to the consumers less. Seems oddly inconsistent.
>>729001570hypocrisy
>>729004458I don't work in the firld but I'm willing to wager stock photos are also extensively used in the game development process, where appropriate
>>728993838The AI wars are off to a good start lol.
>>729003872>Of AAA games? The ones made by hundreds (thousands?)The ones who reject AI are not playing those types of games. They're the ones calling everything slop and they hate what AAA stands for. Sure you'll find some bumfuck redneck somewhere playing Call of Duty every day, he's retarded though and doesn't even know why he's conservative to begin with, and he probably doesn't have any opinion on AI besides what his favorite politician or celebrity has told him to think.
>>728997717It’s a fun little game for the first two major goals. But the end game puzzles waste so much of your time that I have a hard time believing that people did them without using any sort of outside resources.
>>728993875Ignore your first reply, it's a retard that fell for a name deliberately chosen to get people to confuse it with TGA. The other guy is correct.
>>728997265As someone who uses AI to help me code as basically a better search engine, I'm genuinely so fucking tired of pajeet retards like you who think a little tasteful use of this stuff to make things easier means everything has to be made by a retarded machine and that they need everything to look like piss Yellow ghibliAnti-AI niggers are annoying but you're just as fucking retarded
>>728993838Welp! wElp!! wELp!!!
>>728993838>Game that isn't indie was stripped of its title from the indie game awards Good>For use of AIFucking retards
>>728993998Saaar
>>728993838>This means that Blue Prince still has AI assets in the final productWhere?
>>728993949Just give Silksong its deserved GOTY alreadyIt certainly did not use AI
>>729006923>stalled for years with no mention for long stretches of time>ai boom goes hard>suddenly silksong is ready to go out of nowherehmmmmm
>>729006731Somewhere.
both games had budgets more than $1 million so they shouldn't count as indie either
>>729007315Explain why I shouldn't be able to self fund and self publish my own 5 million indie game.
>>729007360It's just a small studio at that point. Anything more than like 3-5 dudes is pushing it. Also I legitimately do not believe e33 was made on le 5 million dollar budget. The games development time and staff wages alone would be 5* that
>>728993875Literal and unironic trannies that made their own awards show with Blackjack and HIV.I'm not kidding, it's a literally-who awards show created by a band of men who pretend to be women.
>You're not allowed to use AI in games anon, these people said so.
>>728994118The state of local models is good enough that they'd see optimization and usage if cloud services proved too costly for business.There is no going back. This is the future now. Even if Anthropic defaults tomorrow and OpenAI goes to shit, open source has proved itself interested and productive enough in this field that the idea that AI will stop being a thing is a pipedream. It's just not happening, and anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot.
>>728993838Everyone is using it, the whole world isn't going to stop using it just because some people have an issue. Faggots just need to deal with that or fuck off permanently from the hobby. It doesn't matter if it sucks, it's fucking reality.
>>729007505No? >small team that takes people from uni as they comeUnless you think french wages are high
>>729007315Indie should be defined as whether or not they had a publisher rather than budget. By that metric, E33 still isn’t indie because Kepler published it.
>>728994503Are you retarded? Ford was making shit loads of money. Hollywood in average still makes money despite the flops. Rockefeller was making so much money he is pretty much uncontested the richest man ever if you ignore funny money. And .com... You are retarded beyond belief
>>729007506As if the Video Game Awards are any different, there was no such thing until 10 years ago. Then we found out that people paid to get awards so that people are foolish enough to buy it. E33 is nothing but an asset flipping scam with AI generated content. It should never be considered a game.
>>728994145Agreed. The gameplay concept was unique and it had a lot of endgame puzzles. E33 is held up by non game elements like music and narrative.
>>728993838I think it's bullshit that expedition 33 won so many awards at the show but I think it's bullshit they lost indie game of the year for using AI. Am I a hypocrite?
>>728993838>PerformativeYou can hear them dilating from here.
AI already won, the only people who haven't accepted this are the people who are afraid they're going to get fired if they don't generate enough backlash against it but it won't happen.
>>729008103Those 2 stances are unrelated. Theres Nothing hypocritical about thinking the game deserved less awards.
>>728993838I don't care about generative AI. I don't care if a game uses it or not.
>>729008103Yes because VGA is a paid advertising agency that doesn’t value transparency or accountability. The company with the highest paid advertising wins the awards.
>>729007858>It should never be considered a gameIt's more of a game than the slop in this video.
>>728995414WAAAIGH!
>>729008337That's good. Last thing I want is to have conflicting values and be a hypocrite
>>729008478E33 literally has stolen unreal store assets. They used UE5 blueprints, Now news of AI is just another example of the game being a scam.
>>729008712>Defending the no-gameplay vagina simulatorm
>>729008478>Tendies are having a blast with this 'game'
>>728994046>>728994068creator admitted it on Twitter
>>728996250NTA, but I disagree with this premise. The icky art thing somewhat does come from calling the art "bad looking" but it's solely a symptom to justify their feelings. The real reason is a bunch of unbridled anger at the idea of getting the resources to learn in the first place, or the "plagiarism" of it. 0 people understand that it can be done in personal asset use, or even if they do they will deny that possibility and just assume the worst case for anyone and everyone. It's like the hysteria for crypto (not to give a shit about that) that because this tech could do bad things, then it always does and always will. And plagiarism is treated as an inherent evil. Which for me personally I half agree and disagree, because on one hand it is stupid to see huge companies that have a lot of money use every excuse not to work just so they profit, I can see the unfairness in that. Ultimately though I don't see why AI is such an issue in the same vein when if it's a "systemic" complaint, then everybody steals and cheats from each other, it's only NOW that they can pretend some stupid computer tool can automatically make what has been normal for decades blatantly obvious for the biggest idiots on the planet. Ideally, nobody should ever give a shit about copyright to begin with so people can develop skills to actually just evaluate products and their end results on an individual basis, instead of just hoping that because it's brand = buy. But that's just my stupid opinion at that point.
>AI generated article with no source>200+ replies/v/ is fucking dead
>>729008395This has nothing to do with the VGAs.
>>728993838>>Ironically, Blue Prince used generative AI for its art assets as well.But E33 didn't even do this.
>>728993949don't worry, there will always be devs who lie about it and claim they didn't use AI
>>729003872Liberalism hasn't meant that in common discourse for like a hundred years you absolute mongoloid
>>728993980>one day later after it came out that they used AI while developing the game.and the quote every article is using, including the indie-game-awards themselves, to prove this is from an interview the E33 devs did when? In July.So they did admit well before the awards took place, the indie-game-awards didnt do their diligent research(E33 devs saying directly to the indie-game-awards that they didnt use AI is false, since no one provided any proof of that), and now they're blaming the devs, only to then give the award to another game that also uses AI.
>>729009509No, you're just a retard who thinks "liberalism" is a synonym for "the left-wing", which is politically illiterate. It's like when Republicans were calling Obama a communist.
>>728993838KWABOTY
>>729008712>stolen unreal store assetsFirst it was "free assets", it didn't work, so the discord decided to change the script, now it's "stolen assets".>Now news of AI>NowWe knew about those few placeholder textures a day or two after the release. And they were removed five days after the release. Because they were placeholder textures.
>>729009227>But E33 didn't even do thisThey did, the most notable one that made it into the final version were newspapers on the news boxes. They went and retroactively changed that.
>>729009608>only to then give the award to another game that also uses AI.And to "Sorry, We're Closed" a game whose developer turns out to be the member of the jury.
>>729010418What part of "placeholder texture" you failed to notice?
Let me get this straight, does any game not have A.I?
>>729010418That was already removed from the game well before their nomination. And was stated to have been a mistaken leftover texture. Which if nothing else, is easy to believe and there is no evidence of the contrary. And if either case, it was already removed by the time the game was nominated.
>>728994310Not if there's no enemies
>>728997667>chatbots>new technologyOnce again "aibros" show that they don't understand their own toys.
>>729010554>it makes stuff that would take us several hours in minutesWhy would you not use it?
>>7289946511. general suspicion of the people who are funding and own it. i don't trust the tech industry to make my life better, not because i think tech is bad, but because i think that they are bad people. i think the tech industry has a clear history of using cool new things in the worst possible ways to fuck all of us2. lived experience of new technology making life shittier reaching back to the industrial revolution. LCD tvs get cheaper but your rent and food get more expensive. what does this have to do with AI? nothing, except for how new industries create new aristocrats who disenfranchise the workers in new ways and then the workers, with their reduced power, are less able to defend their interests3. AI used well by actual artists doesn't resemble AI. the only AI you actually see and know is AI is the slop.4. a general feeling that things are fine and change could make them worse. status quo bias, basically.people cannot articulate these things as the reasons, but these are the reasons.
>>728993838Every game used AI? None deserves GOTY then.
>>729011364I don't have a job that needs ai and everyone still uses ai because turning 3 hours writing a report in 10 minutes is nice.
>>728993838>Indie Game AwardsWho?>EscapistThey still exist?
>>728994651Lots of people dream about making their hobby a job, AI is making that impossible.
>>729007006I'd believe it if AI wasn't a fucking joke for actual productivity. Anyway, I dread the day AI trained on tranny indie spikeformers generate levels.
>>728993998I'm pro-AI and it's just a bubble. The bubble popping is where all the retarded bad money chasing AI companies that don't have a monetizable product then go bust. The pricing on existing AI is far too low, which is why you get so much sloppa everywhere, people trying to use AI in dumb ways and make agentic systems that rape your computer, and why these companies can't pay for themselves and survive on constant investor money. It's like the dot com bubble. When it bursts, only the smart money will survive... on the other hand if the rest of the economy is really this shitty, maybe the government just bails out the bad products. The real good money is in a robot that can tip toe between junk, climb a ladder, and takes a box up a ladder to the storage attic in a small business, or in a video AI which actually has a "world model" and can remain consistent between scenes to make an actual movie instead of memelord sloppa of giant dogs knocking over old ladies. All while using less resources for training, because the cost eats into it too.
>>729011818Hobbiest game designers can go fuck themselves of course. Them using AI to bring their dream to life and then get paid for it is obviously a bad thing because.....?
>>729009080Need the link to the tweet in question because I can't find any proof online.
>>729012472The programmers, artists, sound designers, musicians and voice actors, who used to be required to make games, feel bad about being cut out. More importantly though>get paidYou might find yourself in a world where nobody is buying games anymore because it's cheaper and more fun to subscribe to some service and then just generate whatever experience you want.
>>728993995use it with impunity! who cares! accelerate!
>>728993838This witch hunt is getting ridiculous. Every studio is now obviously using AI in some form or another, even if they claim they don't. Maybe stop caring about it as long as it's not obviously ghibli shit
>>729011001Because I get paid by the hour.
>>729013448This but unironically. You could have drawn the line at upscaling, but you didn't, you embraced it and even shilled it for free. How do you like those tensor cores now, you blackest gorillas?
>>728997156>it isn't gonna sell less or more because of some ai generated banner you never see in gamekind of shooting yourself in the foot there, bud.
>>729013169That actually sounds fkin dope man. And everyone will be a creator because you will be able to just share your dreams. What a great future. Cant wait
>>729013169>>729015058since AI bros love Ford / car analogies here's one:in this hypothetical everybody would be playing shitty games. why? remember, if I had asked them what they wanted they would have said FASTER HORSES. gamers aren't going to be inventing the car, they will just order the slop generator to generate lots of fast horses.good games are made by good game designers. gamers are not game designers. and no, AI cannot learn game design. it's not something you can intuit by learning from a million examples. there are only a handful of good games per genre. without training data no good gen AI.
>>729015426Thats not how free market works tho. If everything will be shit (although its your subjective opinion about AI future perspective) then there will always be a market/place for better non shit games. I mean do you knoq whats happening now on game market? over 10s 1000s games released on steam this year and how many of that did you play. How many games do you have in your library waiting for you to pick them up? Ai or no Ai gaming market is exploding by itself. No timw to play shit games.
>>729015058p.s. nobody will be a "creator" because nobody will be playing YOUR slop if they can generate their own. these "dreams" would not be shared, they would finish off what little remains of a shared culture. everybody would isolate even further. as if filter bubbles and early access asset flips hadn't done enough damage.
>>729013457good morning sir
>>729015827>If everything will be shit (although its your subjective opinion about AI future perspective) then there will always be a market/place for better non shit games.you can swear that up and down but meanwhile in reality everything already IS shit and yet what do people play? shit. grindy, gambly lootbox shit. season pass shit. jump scare shit. friendslop early access shit. shit, shit and more shit. the market is flooded with shit and people are playing it. there is no upside to it. things were simply better before the market was flooded with shit. and AI genned shit would be another step in the same direction, making things even worse. this is a certainty. we can only hope that it either just doesn't happen (AI not good enough any time soon) or that Steam bans it, freezing the market in an early 2020s state where at least you only have to sift through the shit humans can pump out.humans are still struggling to make games worth playing. AI will certainly never get there. but if it's cheap enough people will absolutely waste their time genning their own shit slop SHIT games and actual games will be even less profitable, bleeding even more talent from the industry.
>>729015905>hey would finish off what little remains of a shared culture.No need to worry about that. Ai slop all look the same already, so everybody will actually be watching the exact same thing.
Generative AI should only be used for porn and sneaking songs about hating jews and blacks into the youtube algorithm.
>>729015905>"creator">"generate">"definitions">what are game genres>make your own game lmaoIsolation is a different problem tho. And how gaming is not isolationism/escapism in itself? Is ur problem some people won't get paid, won't get laid or won't have fun? Don't you think you sound a little bit pessimistic with all that?
>>729010313It’s a 1:1 match, they are stolen.
>>729010554Hoyoverse does not use A.I, you can even literally download character models from the game. They give players a building map to build stages that match the current genshin impact gameplay.
>>729016571Free assets stolen from a store with free assets to download for free and use for free? Did they hack into the server?
>>729007669Neither is blue prince, it was published by raw fury.I should know, they made you watch an unskippable 5 second credits roll every time you started the game.Anyway, both games are AA, not indie.
Would you buy an AI-generated painting, book, or music album? If your answer is no, explain why video games should be treated differently.
>>729010481>placeholderYeah, why was it in the finished game. Because it was deemed fine, until there was backlash and they changed it. >>729010698I don't care if they used ai or not, but the award was rescinded because AI was used. You can remove your textures and update them all you want, AI was still in the end used in the production of the game.
>>729016765>Anyway, both games are AAThis and it's a good thing.Why do people pretend that there are only indies and AAA+ games?
>supposed goty>only award is a hand-me-down because some website needed to generate clicks>game itself is so unremarkable the only threads of it are of a fake controversy
>>728993838project nortubel doesnt use ai
>>729016545>And how gaming is not isolationism/escapism in itself?that's a fair point but gaming isn't on the rise, it's stagnating hard for a long time. social media is the real isolator. text chat app culture destroyed human connection, especially between the sexes. games are no worse a distraction than watching VHS or reading comic books or whatever nerdy men did in the past.>Is ur problem some people won't get paidmoreso that every time game dev jobs become scarce some of the experts leave and never come back. I'm concerned about games as a medium and it's fucking dire how we constantly take one step forward, two steps back when it comes to all kinds of expertise in game development. big companies still design more by committee every year as their budgets keep inflating so no quality can ever come out of them. and indies are teetering on the edge of needing to get a real job, even indie devs who have landed hits before. the finite audience, which is itself financially struggling, cannot support all the gacha and gamble slop and then on top of that also AI gen slop, and continue to buy quality indie games. something has to give. the revenue in this industry is a zero sum game since there is no big growth market to unlock out there.>Don't you think you sound a little bit pessimisticI'm actually optimistic that gen AI games are a joke and the existing stuff like some warbled textures in E33 (a game I will never play any way) don't bother me personally. I am specifically concerned about>designers>programmers>senior producersand such leaving the industry when competition gets too tight. AI textures or sound effects don't worry me. we don't have a shortage of artists and game art skills are fairly general any way. how you properly design and program a game though, these skills are hyper-specialized and every time somebody who got gud at them leaves it's a permanent setback for the medium. I am pessimistic about the preservation of game dev skills.
>>728993838I have never heard of this game, what's this, the second coming of Gone Homo?
>>728994651>Is it aversion to AI in general, or just generative AI (a subset of machine learning)?>Those have been a part of gaming for as long as gaming has been around.Generative AI has been part of Gaming for decades too, we called it "Procedural Generation" and it was part of a lot of games: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_using_procedural_generationMany games have their terrain or levels generated by ProcGen. No Man's Sky? Terraria? Diablo 2? Torchlight? Civilization? Minecraft? Elite? Dwarf Fortress? Deep Rock Galactic? Mass Effect? (member the MAKO levels?) All Gen AI games (visual content/assets/levels generated by a computer algorithm instead of by human hand). As are most Roguelikes.This is ironically just NPCs jumping on the latest Hate bandwagon.
>this thread has devolved into Indians posting AI responses about whether a game used AI
>>729017539Nigger algorithms are not LLMs. Binding of Issac doesn’t use an LLM to generate rooms, it’s a fucking tileset with percentage chances of occurring. Why are the “pro AI” people also theleast informed?
>>728993838If this article actually caused people to refund or start trashing Blue Prince, then would the dev for that have a potential libel case against escapist?
>>729018189Absolutely.
>>728994651Because we already saw with other shit like microtransations that devs can't be trusted, you let one dev do something small with the AI and decade later everything will be AI slop.This mean there are two possible paths, complete AI ban or complete slop domination.
>>729017982>Nigger algorithms are not LLMs.LLMs (large language models) are a kind of computer algorithm. That's ChatGPT and the likes by the way. If you're thinking about asset creation, it's text-to-image or text-to-video diffusion models creating your image or video output.What's the qualitative difference between someone creating a texture using a text-to-image diffusion model or someone procedurally generating their level terrain in Unity using perlin noise? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFvwyu_ZKfUBoth are ultimately content/assets generated by a computer algorithm that you will end up seeing in the final game. And last I looked the likes of Terraria, Dwarf Fortress or Minecraft where rather popular.>Why are the “pro AI” people also theleast informed?Ditto. If you want to nitpick, at least know what you're talking about.
saar all games use AINo I won't prove it but it's obvious saar, you have to believe
>>728994503I'm not kidding anon you need to actually fucking kill yourself
>>728993838bro who gives a shit about the indie game awards? those people are a fucking joke just like their retarded show. they don't even have a fucking x account and insteada fucking bluesky. that should tell you all you need to know. now stop spamming this dogshit
>>729019053bubblin'
>>729018943Shut up loser, LLM are not AI, they’re scam copy paste machines. The thing you are referencing isn’t relevant to intellectual machines since a real intelligence system can understand human behavior.
>>729017982Because to be "pro AI" in the first place, it basically means you had to have gotten convinced at some point by the snake oil salesmen that this shit was worthwhile.
>>729018943A script that outputs one of five images based on a number generator is not an AI under any definition of the word. You’re desperately attempting to tie recent neural networks back to very simple programs. The scale of complexity and development is so disparate as to be comical, and I don’t understand what you hope to accomplish by calling fucking Havok a “generative AI”.
AI really is troon repellent, huh?
>>729016571They're free assets, you retard. Literally downloadable to use by anyone to use in their project AT NO COST. https://www.fab.com/listings/ef9651a4-fb55-4866-a2d9-1b38b028f9c7At least do your homework before spewing your retarded takes.
>>729019370No, not at all. An entire population pretending to be something they are not and getting really mad when you point it out? That’s AI all the way baby.
>>728993838You should just assume every game is using AI, if they say they aren't they are probably lying. The poison has spread too much to save anyone
>>728993838I simply don't care who is upset about AI. I will use it to make music, movies and games and I will never consume media created by the enemies of humanity again as long as I live.
Its not a bubble, its just bubble shaped and runs entirely on credit while not actually providing a way for investors to get a return.
Stop giving journos and their spam threads and their meaningless awards attention.The joke is their entire spam garbage profession is all done by AI.
"Laura" "Kate" Dale was a judge. I forgot what this hideous troon did but he was infamous a while back
Does anyone actually have evidence or even a screenshot from blue prince showing something ai-looking?
>>728993838>All games use AI like NPC AI Stopped reading right there, the fucker doesn't have a clue about generative AI and game AI
>>728995841Even if the devs made 1 billion dollars from hollow knight it doesn't matter, the core team is still 3 people, a big their salary just means they could afford to take their time making the game. For example if they had they used their money to hire 500 indians to make the game for them then it would matter.
>>728994651>speeds up the enshittification of pretty much everything it touches>90% of the time its usage is forced by corporate suits to tick a box and to trick investors>its not as smart as people think and its answers are a coinflip on being correct>its supposed to eliminate jobs (which is bad) but you also need someone to check its outputs and correct it so what is the point of using it to replace people in the first place?>Windows 11 bragged about being 30% AI coded and every major feature is currently broken and is the worst version of windows to date>fucks over the globe's computer parts economy>fucks over anyone near a data center by driving water/electric costs sky high>currently has no way to RoI for people who put money into it>the current AI syndicate operates entirely on credit and their financials are fake and gay>the entire plan with AI is to throw infinite money at it until its AGI level and then ask it how to make back the money people invested into it
DUDE VIDEOGAME POLITICS LMAO DUDE AI LMAOfuck off and let me play my 5+ year old games in peace
>>729021424What's the difference between 10 people making a game for 10 years and 100 people making a game for 1 year, if the money both groups need to paid for the time they work is the same?
>>728995576Everything has to be fake gay and plastic because plastic is cheap and people are greedy
>>728993838I always love how they say "nothing major" , then why do it at all?
>>728995232>mindbroken /v/tard sees silksong in everything
How long until they try to push some stupid narrative like "um ackshually NPC behavior is AI so games have ALWAYS used AI"?It already feels like they're trying to dilute everything to justify their AI pictures. Even equating them to medical research.
>>728993838Indie developers are also far more likely to use AI in the fucking first place as they lack the resources and manpower in relation to big studios.It's a rather absurd stance to take.
>>729022419Idk how no one has made the connection between how trannies were propagating their mental illness and how AI is being shilled. They both talk in the exact same way on top of being fake and gay lol.
>>728993838What’s wrong with AI art?
>>729016698>he thinks AI is only used in the art departmentBrainlet
>>729013169>who used to be required to make gamesWho can now make their own games rather than work on someone else's project?
Its pretty incredible that you can just put some bullshit in an article and people on /v/ will start discussing it as if it were true
>>729022419You let them get away with "all pixels are fake" catchphrase, the sky is the fucking limit.
>>729022754What else will they talk about? None of the zoomers or jeets here actually play games.
>>729022624Trannies are behind the anti-ai push, you clown.They are mentally ill communists fighting for the "workers and artists"
>>728994260Didn't Yahtzee quit in solidarity? It matters because he's the only personality anybody actually gives a shit about.
>>728996706They knew, they just randomly decided to enforce that rule after it became a bigger story, retarded rule anyway, what's next, not allowing niggers and women on the dev team?
>>729022842>anon cant into reading comprehensionAI faggotry is shilled using the same language trannies use to propagate themselves.>did you know procedural generation is also AI? This isnt anything new luddite!>did you know there have always been trannies? This isnt anything new chud!
>>728993838Why would their publisher lie like this...Also>indie>publisherlol
>Update: An apology to developer Dogubomb and publisher Raw Fury.>An earlier version of this article suggested that generative AI was used in the making of Blue Prince. This has since been proven not to be the case, with Raw Fury issuing confirmation as seen belowAND NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW
>>729023073Whatever is indie shifted from solo/single digit teams to simply feeling like one. It's how Dave the Diver was treated like an indie when it very much wasn't.Publishers are sort of ok because the games themselves could still be made by a tiny team but understand they wouldn't have the right knowhow to market or test the game.
I'm really getting anti-AI fatigue from this stupid shit.
>>729023204can they not get sued for this? Its sounds like their "journalists" were just making up something to get mad about
>>729018189devs would have to prove a significant amount of people refunded because of the article, and that it was an outright lie. even then the litigation cost would probably outweigh recovery.
>>729009509In the US maybe, because some president used it at a dirty word in his campaign a million years ago. The rest of the world knows what liberalism means. Hell, even the US does, because everyone knows a neo-liberal is not a lefty.
>>729020982Ya bad news, Gamer Nexus found Nvida is joining forces with corrupt politicians and other billionaires. They are responsible for your red light cameras, they created ICE agents to arrest wrong people, they made prices go up.Nvida is now a criminal organization.
>>729006923>silk song>80 million budget
>>729023073>>729023485They do not lie. The Escapist has committed libel.https://bsky.app/profile/rawfury.bsky.social/post/3maivmd5kps2w
>Clair 33 being a UE-store asset flip...that's fine>Clair 33 using AI-generated background assets... that's Hitler!As a certified AI despiser, people are mostly showing how performative their standards are. None of y'alls niggas is in it for the love of the craft.
>>729025459It's possible to be critical of both, anon.
>>729025543Well most people by large aren't, gaynon.Evidence given: Clair 33
>>729025641>Evidence given: Clair 33Except it was called out for that too.
OH NO NO NOKNEEL, ESCAPIST
>>729025459>>Clair 33 being a UE-store asset flip...that's fineIf they actually paid for it, what is the issue?
they used AI for background elements, erm...only an autistic sperg incel would cry about that
>>728993838Nantoka33 is such a trash-heap asset flip game promoted by a chinese soft-power studio backed by "French Publisher" image. Think fool, they are funded by Netease and have a Chinese woman as the head writer! Surely no "Cultural Ambassador" business going on!
>>729026247No, AI use the property of others without permission and without paying them. Lot's of people don't like it.
>All these bad actors conflating AI generated assets (art, audio, ingame text, etc.) with shit like search engines and paint tools to poison the wellWhen people say they don't like/want AI, they're talking about generative AI that plagerizes and replaces the work a real person does. They're not talking about automated tools and algorithms that those same real people have been using to do their jobs long before generative AI was a thing in the public consciousness. It is not hard to differentiate them, but they'll act like it is to play devil's advocate and assert that AI is everywhere and everyone is using it. We don't need shit like LLMs and image generators to make games, and tech companies forcing these features into their programs does not mean they're being utilized.
>>729026576not it doesn't, imbecile
>>728993838>ultraprocessing is inherently bad so everything that uses it is bad>you like to eat fake meat and encourage others to do it>STOP TAKING THINGS OUT OF CONTEXTjust pass a law that requires AI companies to pay for their own electricity and build/run their own power plants. no subsidies, no public money. suddenly everyone will want to hire artists again. it's the economy, stupid.
>>729027247That's literally what it does.
>>729027054You should tell Valve that then because they conflate them and demand that ANY use of AI DURING development has to be disclosed. Doesn't matter even if none of it was ever in the game. You ask ChatGPT for advice? Your game is AI slop now.
Please, i don't give a shit if you use AI, just someone make a game like bully again, with a small comfy school/town in a small but detailed area with time progression via seasons.
>store bought assets>*autistic screeching*>India asset farms>now this is real art....
>>729028474Their policy specifically targets content GENERATED by AI.
>>729016810Kinda dumb post since I would never buy art, books, or music but I would buy video games lol.Making vidya is also infinitely harder than any of those things, we as humans need computers(AI, retard) to make them.
>>729010481the fact people believe they only used 2 AI textures is fucking hilariousdo you really believe this shit?that the ONLY AI textures they used JUST SO HAPPENED to have text on them, the only possible way you can tell they were generated?you people are completely mindless lmfao
>>729008478Christ, nintendo's dropped off hard.
