Who forces you to buy them?Who is forcing you to play the game?Why are you entitled to the content?If someone creates a bad game or overpricing why do you want to give them money?Of course you can express your disagreement with certain business practices. I have no problem with that. My problem is when you start protesting for new laws. You want to use force to compel others even though they didn’t force you to do anything. Beyond the fact that such laws are immoral to begin with, they always cause more harm than good and make it impossible for many market participants to operate especially the smaller ones.
>>728997558Like most of these legislations, it's because they try to trick children
>>728997558muh children
>>728997558my theory is that the whole lootbox controversy was actually manufactured, a false flag to get battle pass bullshit. Look at how overwatch 1 worked. Lootbox every time you level up, set level of xp, if you get duplicates you get credits instead so you can buy whatever you want. Now you gotta spend $20 for one fucking skin
What I don't understand is where kids get the money for this shit. I could hardly afford boomer lootboxes (trading cards) when I was a dumb kid and my family was middle class.
>>728997558Gacha has rotted your brain.
>think of the children
>>728997639Battlepass hate is forced as well there is nothing wrong with them in free games
>>728997612>they try to trick childrenThen why do the parents pay for it?How can the kid have a separate unchecked income?
>>728997558loot boxes need to give an objective maximum cost because by its design it is an artificial system of gambling for revenue. If you want to debate that it is about odds and that losses should be allowed to be exponentially high then that falls into the category of gambling. Stickers and emblems that you will never use or see is not value.
>>728997558back in like 2015, before overwatch anyway, some games began offering cosmetics on sale rather than straight power which was the norm at the time, and i always thought it was fucking great because whales could still support the game but not buy power. and i still think that
>>728997558the problem is that your average person is a braindead retarded toddler who will spend their life savings on pretty pictures online and then have to be bailed out by the rest of society because they have financially ruined their lives.
>>728997990>Gacha has rotted your brain.You are the one who want laws because you cant control your addiction. I don't even play these kinds of games. I just understand how these low resolution, cargo cult laws makes a lot of damage for indie devs who don't even want to scam their players.
The problem has always been pricing value and content. It is insane how a fully published game has so little value in the long run compared to a few gacha campaigns where you could effectively get the entire user base to reinvest. It is like scarcity download content but worst. All this shit is locking features behind a dollar sign. The hate on gacha mechanics has not gone hard enough. It should always be a more cosmetic thing for end game as an expression at an end game level.
>>728998759>instantly starts making up shit in his mindComplete gacha brainrot.
>>728998759shut the fuck up the problem has always been games that design without a reasonable alternative to grind for it in a free manner. The fact free alternatives is something like 20-50-100 hours of game play to give enough currency is a cause for regulation.
>>728998664Why do you want to gamble when it's optional? Why do you want an authority figure to decide things for you?
>>728997558If you are not the customer, you are the product.Given how complicated and closed the matchmaking system are, it's very easy to hide P2W content behind the illusion that they'll be treated like any freemium players.Why do you think Activision have a patent for that?>Who is forcing you to play the game?You are not forced to scam kids but we still have laws against that.Frankly I would not be surprise if your post was some Bot-farm paid to push pro-lootbox opinions.
>>728998831no it is not optional. You presented the question about gacha and the reason why it becomes regulated. Many games do not have a cosmetic aspect it is a locked player aspect to it. That kind of shit should be made illegal if it is not attainable in a reasonable experience.Look at the sports games for having characters in your team. Optional? you are full of shit
>>728998831you might not believe this, but people are inherently addictive and will justify spending singular $10 purchases to themselves over and over until it reaches hundreds of dollars. a huge demographic of gamers is kids as well, and you have to agree spoonfeeding psuedo-gambling to them so they can beg their parents for $20 to put into lootboxes is bad. i think the current landscape of microtransactions is way more aggressive and predatory but theres no denying that the worst of lootboxes were absolutely meant to prey on retard and kids into spending hundreds of dollars on digital exclusivity
If you aren't paying you are basically working for free as a NPC for those who paid.
>>728997558It's the "normies ruin everything" thing again.Normies swarmed the gaming market, they dumbed down the games, they dont have self control and now they want laws against every minor inconvenience. Even when the inconvenience is their own doing. No one would put gambling into their games if normies wouldn't spend all their welfare checks on it. 10 years from now the gaming market will be regulated to a point where you cant even buy anything that is slightly enjoyable or coming form a small creator.
>>728998790no u
>>728998825Dude! dude! I’ll tell you something you’ve never heard before. You’re not going to like it, but you still need to hear it: you don’t have to play the game that annoys you. You can play 10,000 other games instead. Or you can just touch grass.
We used to have modding and contributions by fans. But greedy fucks saw there was a market and wanted to monopolize on it. Yet they don't have the creativity and don't want to put the effort or energy into creating diverse and interesting mods. They just want money. And that is a department called marketing not even the same kind of thinking process involved with the creative process. and those people want to be paid while being almost equal the size of the development team. the fact is scarcity works in mobage and gacha and it pisses off the people working with large games and consoles because THEY KNOW it will back fire on them. If they think that way they should all fuck off and enter making games for that market, not bring those ideas into an environment people are prepared to kill their reputation over it.
>>728998890>no it is not optional.Who is forcing you to sit down and play gotcha games or gamble?Oh the ego ... the entitlement .... you are so lost. :D
>>728999221no. the way gaming has worked is that you don't have 5 different soccer games per year. you only have the one that was designed to only exist in the market. FIFA that reuses the assets and demands you to reinvest what you did last year, but it all again through chance at the end level because the grind is not fun as a F2P.
>>728997558Kill yourself gambling addict
>>728999267what makes you think you will have free reign to introduce scammy money making schemes into normal games? the folly of it you must HATE that you aren't in a chinese game studio that markets themselves towards the asian market that is all for it.
>>728997558This is why they spy and collect data on you so you can be manipulated to buy that shit
>>728999025You want to play Lemmings with society. You have to pad and cushion everything so that people without self-control, deliberately careless, unfit for life don’t get hurt. Meanwhile, you sabotage normal people and the entire market.I understand that most people are like this, but harmful behavior shouldn’t be catered to; instead, people should be awakened and compelled to take individual responsibility.
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>>728998759>You are the one who want laws because you cant control your addiction.The hallmark of an addiction is that you can't control it; that it coerces you to take certain actions.Dumbfuck.
>>728999414yes i believe we should pad and cushion against predatory practices against kids and addictive retards. if youre sabotaged by not being able to gamble on video game skins then youre probably not a normal person anyway. i get the sentiment that we shouldnt cater to retards who cant control themselves but its the same argument against real gambling, i dont think companies should get money off of exploited addicted habits, especially on a market filled with children
>>728999352>Kill yourself gambling addictIf I am the gambling addict why do you want a law that stops you from buying? I didn't pay for any of this shit.
>>728999557who said we can't buy it? Make gambling illegal and the rewards are now free from normal game play. Like how it USED to be. Stupid greedy fuck.
>>728999414nta, but I sometime wonder if there's a way to have people with no self-control kill themselves without being held responsible to prevent that.
>>728999557Civilization is better overall if we remove sources of addiction, you are just being outvoted
>>728997558People are not rational and good by default which is why we need to regulate behavior.
>>728997558Because all that shit affects the core game.
>>728997612>won't someone pleaaaaase think of the childrenz
>>728997558just because I'm smart enough not to fall to temptations doesn't mean I'm not tempted. it's tiring to constantly battle off urges. I already have to deal with that when taking care of my health. life would be so much easier if billion dollar companies didnt treat you like cattle.
>>728999431This!Conformists buy the shitty games and then complain and want laws.
>>728999436Yeah you cant control your addiction and you want the entire world to change for you.
>>728997558Beyond the obvious 'predatory scheme to trick kids', they're simply useless and superfluous. There's not a single game that is improved in any way by the addition of lootboxes, and they're often negatively affected by gating gameplay advantages past them...but even if it's all just cosmetics, they're still not adding anything of value to the game
>>728999542>predatory practices against kids and addictive retards.Since it's optional, and it's in a video game, and you have infinite time to inform yourself it cannot be predatory.Since it's about kids it's a parenting issue. Why do the parents pay for the loot boxes?
>>728997558Trying to trick children (or easily influentiable people) is bad, anon. Hope that helped
>>728999697>Civilization is better overall if we remove sources of addictionNot really. Addicts should go bankrupt and suffer the consequences. Otherwise they will never learn. I don't want you to have money or power since you are irresponsible. You are a danger to normal people.
>>729000701You want better games by law. That approach has never worked. We have millions of pages of rules and regulations and life is just getting shittier in the last 20 years and as an entrepreneur you cant create shit because every law is confusing, foggy and broad as possible and can be applied against your perfectly valid and well-intentioned business idea. Only the biggest companies have resources to fight lawfare effectively. This is why small game studios are dying out.Simply you shouldn't buy the games you don't like. That's the best you can do against shitty games.
>be OP>make incredible stupid posts for (You)s
>>729001061>life would be so much easier if billion dollar companies didnt treat you like cattle.Everything you advocating for is giving more power to the billion dollar companies
bait used to be beliveable
>>729001236You can criticize it. My post was about the regulatory aspect.
>>728997558I'd rather have subscription fees to fund an online game with optional cash shop (with perhaps that sub-fee granting a monetary cash shop credit.)Just like the good old days.
>>729001306Why do you buy loot boxes for your kids?
>>729001932I do not care, whatever gets that shit out of the way is good, regardless of the intentions behind it
Why do people like OP - who acknowledge there's 2 sides to this (customer, corporation) - always side with the corporations?
>>729001304Insane assumption to make that everyone has infinite time to inform themselves that video game publishers use digital scarcity as a way to coerce their kids into babys first gambling addiction. I have to assume youre a retard that cant connect the dots on why predatory practices like this are generally bad for society and nothing but a detriment to 99% of people
>>729001970This mentality is the reason we have this shitty gaming market. Without normies like you we had much better games 20 years ago.
>>729001960>you dont want drug peddlers in front of schools? why not? just don't buy them any drugs from them! >oh your kid took money from you or used his own allowance to get some? well that's their fault! they should've known better!whatever exonerates the actual culprits here, huh? what a scummy way to think
>>729001982How did I side with the corporations? Everything you normies are advocating for is monopolizing the market. We have shitty games because you have no self control and you want more regulations to handle your personal issues. Regulations always good for the biggest players.
>>729002126>How did I side with the corporations?I'm not quoting your 20 posts deepthroating corporations. You know you are doing.
>>729002126>actually, stopping publishers from exploiting addictive habits only serves to help them! And i wont explain how!
>>729002113>OH NO! MY KID BOUGHT A USELESS PINK BOOT IN A VIDEO GAME! IT'S JUST LIKE HEROIN!Shitty take. The kid also needs to use your credit card to buy loot boxes. Why do you give him your credit card anon? Why are you such a bad parent anon?
>>729002126>We should all bend over backwards for shitty corpo practices instead of just removing the problem at its root
>>729002232>>729002182Yeah you can just ignore my arguments and advocate for more centralization of power.
>>729002294>instead of just removing the problem at its rootI don't have those problems. I ignore the shitty games. You are the one who pays for them and then complain.
>countless threads asking why corpo gacha twitter are 4chan screenshots in their marketing>sudden influx of "why is gambling bad again?" posts
>>729002251No you don't you fucking retard, theres tons of games that sell physical cards at vidya shops with codes that you can exchange for in-game currency, no credit card necessary. At least try and learn about the shit you're trying to defend
>>729002319>Yeah you can just ignore my argumentspot kettle black.you are brown.
>>729002361>i can walk in front of a drug peddler and not buy any drugs from him, so i dont know why you're complaining about your kidYou really are a total retard
>>729002319You have no arguments lmao, you just keep repeating 'the corpos are not at fault' and blaming everyone and everything else over and over
>>729002319Your retarded position relies on the idea that, as you said, everyone have infinite time to inform themselves on how predatory video game publishers are. There is 0 concievable way to argue that allowing these practices to remain unchecked actually harm the publishers. Your argument only works in a perfect cotton candy world where no one has addictive habits and there is no such thing as tired parents who OKs a random $10 purchase on their kids favorite game just to make them happy for a bit. Either way, youre retarded bootlicker cattle
>>729002385You lost connection with your kid and now you blame the corporations. Why can't you talk to your kid or limit his network accesses if he has addiction? You talk like you have zero control over your house, finances and kid.
>>728997558It's a personal problem for me because it has a visible, negative impact on my fellow men and society at large. It affects me personally because more and more games start to contain things like this, displacing the games that don't do it, and these games are constantly trying to force their way into the public eye.It's a personal problem for me in the same way as people who smoke. I don't have to smoke to suffer the negatives of other human beings smoking. It's a personal problem for me in the same way as excessive burning of fossil fuels and air pollution. I don't have to drive or burn garbage into the atmosphere to suffer harm from that shit. It's a personal problem for me in the same way as people who litter in the streets. I am not a litterer, yet I suffer as though I were one anyway when I go out for a walk through town because people cannot help themselves.You are fools who care only about yourselves and choose to be blind to the needs of your fellow man and to mother earth. Everything people do "personally" affects you whether you choose to see it or not.
>>729002441Yeah I dont need your government to regulate my life because YOU cant control your yourself or your kids.
>OP is refusing to respond to most arguments>calls out bad faith>while cherry picking
>>729002521>You want better games by law. That approach has never worked. We have millions of pages of rules and regulations and life is just getting shittier in the last 20 years and as an entrepreneur you cant create shit because every law is confusing, foggy and broad as possible and can be applied against your perfectly valid and well-intentioned business idea. Only the biggest companies have resources to fight lawfare effectively. This is why small game studios are dying out.>Simply you shouldn't buy the games you don't like. That's the best you can do against shitty games.
>>729002596Only low iq individuals cannot see this. Their brain literaly cannot compute a world where bad habits becoming normalized affect society at large, and by extention, them
>>729002596>It's a personal problem for me in the same way as excessive burning of fossil fuelsYou will never be a woman!
>game has lootboxes>"LOOTBOXES = LE HEGGIN BAD AND GAMBLING FOR CHILDREN!">game proceeds to remove lootboxes>"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! BRING BACK LOOTBOXES!"why is /v/ like this
>>728997558Have you really no idea how low IQ people fall for it? ok, considering you are aware of this already what do you think it does to the industry when its most profitable method is to design your game as an extreme money sucking machine?Even if you are just jewish you can't be this stupid to see how its makes everything worse right?
>>729002681Small game studios are dying out because of Gacha and china is cracking down on gaming hours through lawfare.
>>729002790>why does a group have individualsi don't know, honestly
>>729002746>Only low iq individuals cannot see this.Only low iq individuals cannot see that suppressing societal problems with laws will only create more problems.Instead of allowing the masses to suffer the consequences of their poor choices and allowing them to learn from them you want to regulate everyone else with broad and confusing laws that are often misapplied and centralize the market.
NOOOOO YOU MUST LET ME SELL DRUGS AND GAMBLING TO CHILDRENYOU MUST ALSO ALLOW CHILD PROSTITUTION TOO JUST LIKE GOOD OL WEIMAR GERMANY
>>729002681Yeah, no lootboxes is really gonna hurt the indie devs. Why wont anyone think of the indie devs when they want to bad virtual gambling? Life is really getting shittier because of those pesky anti-gambling laws and definitely not because of unchecked predatory practices by my favorite mega-corporations! I already dont buy games i dont like and dont interact with these shitty business practices when i dont need to, but i should really be blaming those anti-gambling laws when gambling has become such a normalized part of gaming.
I don't get the problem with designated shitting streets.Who forces you to use them?Who is forcing you not to use a toilet?Why are you entitled to clean streets?
>>729002948Some gems, you forgot:>you must allow transgender propaganda in every orifice like in weimar germany and talk about how nazis are le bad every second!
>>728997612Children shouldn't be playing those games.Children shouldn't be using their parents' cards or bank account information.
>>728999431Reverse Collapse vs GFL 2.
>>728997558Bad, predatory practices should simply not be allowed to exist if we want for a healthy, functional society. Same reason we prosecute theft, fraud and robberies, this must be prosecuted and prohibited too
>>729001451shut the fuck up. There are people in charge of other peoples wealth and guess what happens. They become addicts. What happens to that loss of money? It becomes an almost permenant loss because you need to sue the fucker and the organisation he was working in.
>>729002938If your problem is with laws not being specific enough to truly put a stop to the problem then just say that. This whole bootlicker song and dance is gay and only serves to continue to drag down society. You have the idea in your head that its like a kid touching a hot stove and burning himself in order to learn not to do that, conveniently omitting the truth that gambling is addictive and its not as easy as telling yourself to just not do that again bc you didnt get your digital scarcity item the first timem
>>729001118I don't buy shitty games and want laws though. Because I want to help the sheep and stop it from continuing down this horrific path.
>>729002846>Stupid people spending money on stupid things.>You regulate the stupid things so stupid people cant buy them. The regulation is also applied to non stupid things and limit your choices.>Now stupid people still have the money so they are trying to spend it on other stupid things.>You regulate the other stupid things so stupid people cant buy them. The new regulation is also applied to new non stupid things and limit your choices.>Repeat this 20 times. People are still stupid. The market is overregulated. There are 3 companies left that sells you 20 years old, pozzed, reskinned games for 150$.How about teaching stupid people to not be stupid? When will you learn?
>>729002938no the problem is these laws are very generous and flexible but are hardly enforced unto the right people because gaps are left for lawyers to weasel around in. You are just upset people aren't stupid enough and that effective laws puts pressure on where you want leverage for.
No wonder everything is going to shit, most of society has so little self-control that they need to be forced not to waste their money on gambling for shiny pixels.
>>729002958>retards still don't understand that inviting government into regulating games is same as inviting fox into hen houseTake a good long look at UK, Russia, China and Worst Korea do you really want that kind of legal environment for your videogames?
>>729003102Punish the kids by writing them a blackmark for "Credit Fraud" and solve the issue as having them to pay it back before they can clean it up after they are an adult/eligible for work.
>>729003367We should be praising OP though. He's not engaging with it but defends it. Like a true hero.
>>729003403You can be against gambling in video games and against government intervention in video games at the same time yknow
>>729003198>If your problem is with laws not being specific enough to truly put a stop to the problem then just say that.Not just that. The laws literally cannot be specific enough. As a regulator you cannot plan for future or unknown market solutions but you can kill those with your regulations. The government is not even incentivized to make informed regulations. So regulations should be very limited to the most obvious problems. 99% of regulations are actually create much more problems than what they solve.
>>729003517Are you doing this for attention?
>>729003445You may be misunderstanding something, I am completely and I unironically on the OP's side.I fully support taking money from stupid people that roll for skins in video games.
>>729003367>most of society has so little self-control that they need to be forced not to waste their money on gambling for shiny pixels.And it's an endless loop, because they will spend their money on the next stupid thing.
>>729003601>I fully support taking money from stupid people that roll for skins in video games.Then don't complain about market conditions.
>>729003517Not if you want government to regulate gambling in videogames, unless you are genuinely thinking they will just lose interest and left gaming alone once they done dismantling gambling in it at which point i have a bridge to sell you.
>>729003403Finally someone with a brain.
>ACKSHUALLY we should allow predatory tactics aimed at our childrenalright shlomo, dont go and get blown up by hamas now
>>729003517>You can be against gambling in video games and against government intervention in video games at the same time yknowThat's technically me (OP).
>>729003586>>729003591Its a very retarded hill to die on where you are againt government legislation on video games, which i understand, but then also for bootlicking publishers on their predatory practices bc it doesnt affect me (which it does, video games are 10x worse now and the content that shouldve been there is either paywalled off or replaced by lootboxes or a battlepass)
>>729003826I thought i was arguing with you the whole time lol, not some other random retard
I'm tired of this stupid approach to this argument. The Government regulates these games with a separate ratings board and it has imposed regulations to censor content as it gets culturally translated as a form of 'protection'. The type of revenue being applied to these games involves chance and is better described as gambling while being exposed to a younger demographic. It uses a form of real world money turned into a measurement of wealth. That real world amount has an obligation to be measured and monitored for its eventual outcome of a situation. The rules were never regulated to encourage fairness or max limitations for the sake of these businesses. But if they enforce the same rules in a ratings board why is this part of the game being an exception? Might as well go all the way, pissing off all these companies, that there should be a financial responsibility imposed on these game industries as it is endorsing a method of addiction that can be detrimental to the welfare and health of the people the government is supposed to represent. The government doesn't crack down because like all other groups it pays well through contributions of charity or campaign funding.
>>729003880>but then also for bootlicking publishers on their predatory practices bc it doesnt affect meMaybe I didn’t express myself clearly enough. That wasn't my argument and I hate most AAA game publishers. I mostly play indie games. You normies are the ones helping the big corpos by these self defeating strategies. Taking responsibility for your own actions would be better for everyone.
>>729004026crazy how you are monitored for lewdness and sexiness while EXPOSING everyone to the advertisements of gambling type incentives and marketing techniques is OK
>>729004125You're full of fucking shit anon, every post you've made in this thread so far is dripping with dishonest 'it's YOUR fault, not the corpo's!' nonsense, trying to shift the blame on anything you can think of EXCEPT the obvious, clear responsible party, and then making up retarded strawmen whenever people called you out on your stupidity. You're not fooling nobody here
>>729003921You argued with me and 1-2 other guys.
>>729004125I agree, but there is undeniable truth in the fact that you cant expect everyone to touch the stove and learn not to do that, especially with kids, and its stupid and ignorant to pretend otherwise. I dont mean to do a faggy "well both sides are bad" argument but there is absolutely no value to be had in endorsing or even being complacent with these business practices, but i also agree that government legislation on video game mechanics is also a bad idea. Realistically, the only answer is to vote with your wallet and be loud about your disdain for it where you can, as gay as it is.
>>729004275Well at least we found our common ground
The only legislation that needs to exist is zero tolerance for uncontrolled chance of a product or requires full advertisement of the max possible cost before purchase. That is all that is required a reminder of the odds before diving in.
>>729004168We should ban murder from video games too. Why would you want kids to kill each other or watch murder? Why do you think murder is good?Only psychopaths want their kids to play games with mass murder like Age of Empires.
>>729003275I dont care if they buy other stupid things, what I care about is that they dont have any way of destroying the video game industry if they cant burn their retard money on lootboxes, all I care about is that shareholders cant force people who actually want to make games and not casinos to make casinos. There is a world of difference between extreme regulation and some regulation and as much as you can argue its always a slippery slope no regulation will get you only kikes abusing the system, but this a problem no government can solve really because lootboxes are the smallest of your problems and the government themselves are all in on this faggotry and all they care about is getting their cut
>>729000950well studies show they do cause mental issues
>>729004265Maybe you are just dumb.I just think that not every problem on the planet should be a legal or public issue. It's actually a really harmful way of thinking and it's against real solutions.
>>729004465Or a way to purchase it at a decent price point.
>>729003823If you buy drugs to you kids it's your fault. No one is forcing you.
>>728997558t. Marketing bugThey're mechics implemented purely for profit rather than the enjoyment of the player
>>729004641Ok nvm youre a retarded third worlded with no grasp on the real world
>>729004467why not have less murder if we already censor the form of men and woman to fit established narratives? This slippery slope has already been established. Especially when every modern take on the industry is that it is a very large demographic now from all walks of life. The fact is that guidance is what is required on gambling it is free to exist but requires intervention for good solutions or the absolute removal of it for a positive change. The industry wants to be lucrative but it comes at a demerit that is obviously re searchable. The business isn't going to say 'ooo we will take less from whales because we are a good company'. The people who play will choose the best game being offered. You shield away from my sports example where ALL games are plagued with purchase crap on an online competitive level. Is it the peoples fault the monopoly eliminated competitive choices and the one left charges?
>>729004687most first worlder's don't even have a very good worldview anon.it takes time to develop a full picture of the world's real problems.
>>729004467Yeah, I'm a real good hypothetical parent in this situation and I want them to play AD&D 1E and Warhammer Horus Heresy RP instead so they learn socialize and make fun of these extreme topics and retardations so they learn not only how to talk and express themselves but also, recognize what's good, what's bad through their own virtues and through scholastic research rather than government mandates.
>>728997558They're degenerative. I don't want every game to have shitty monetization like games with lootboxes, gambling, P2W, and overpriced DLCs, and that is what happens if you don't try to stomp it out early. You can see this clearly in Asian games being filled with this shit, depending on country. Chinese games are all filled with P2W in China that may or may not carry to other regions. Every Korean game is gachatrash, and Lost Ark has the worst P2W in any game ever.
>>729004728Most first worlders dont say "if you buy drugs to you kids its your fault" in response to someone not liking predatory business tactics in their video games
>>729004698People won't choose what's the best game being offered but:>What has perceived cultural value, what can give me success outside of the game (for pros), what's boosting my image?
>>729004867>Most first worlders don't equate drugs to addiction with children as a coefficientThat's where you're wrong kiddo.https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2025/01/genshin-impact-game-developer-will-be-banned-selling-lootboxes-teens-under-16-without-parentalFirst worlders banned lootboxes from being sold to minors under that exact assumption. That gaming was addicting, and the preventative measures which should have been taken by major publishers, were not heavily enforced.
>>729004867But you are literally not parenting your kid. You want parenting laws for everyone else because your kid is stronger and smarter than you.
>>729004956Stop skipping around it. FIFA owns entire sport genres. All of them have malicious P2W practices. There are no other alternative games in the market. They are unregulated. Is it the kids fault they are exposed to the whole marketing side aspect of it when they want to play multiplayer or that player characters are imbalanced and only obtainable through rare promotions?
>>729005114EA I mean
>>729005114True never said there weren't but the issue stems from the "market appeal" just like with Call of Duty and GTA.
saucy arguing with himself again
>>728997558Predatory practices that are harmful for consumer interests.
>>729005006I meant most first worlders dont use broken english to imply that tired parents giving allowence money to their kid, unknowingly funding their lootbox addiction, is the same as "buying drugs to you kids">>729005017I have not clue what you mean by my kid is stronger and smarter than me, for assumingly being young and impressionable and therefore more susceptible to these tactics. Obviously i would ideally raise my kids to not play shit like that anyway but thats not the reality for most people. Its retarded to equate voluntarily giving your kids drugs to giving your kid some chump change just to let them have fun a bit on the game and unknowingly funding a cleverly disguised gambling scheme
>>729005418>Its retarded to equate voluntarily giving your kids drugs to giving your kid some chump change just to let them have fun a bit on the game and unknowingly funding a cleverly disguised gambling schemeIt's retarded you can't see the equivocality of gambling (in video games) and drug use
Only NPC-s play with games like FIFA or Call of Duty.Real humans play games like Unreal Tournament, Quake 3, Starcraft Broodwar, Warcraft 3.We didn’t have these kinds of problems back when only people who could find the power button on a computer or install Windows on their own were playing video games.When 95% of the gamers are muggles and tourists you cant regulate yourself out from this shit storm. It will only get worse.
>>728997558>Who forces you to buy them?The dev.>Why are you entitled to the content?Buying the game entitles you to the contents of the game.Not gonna engage in the rest of your bad faith argument.
>>729005493Did you quote what i said but not read it? Yes there is some equivalency in the addictive tendencies of drugs and gambling addictions, but in the sentence you quoted is the common occurence of how these predatory tactics are allowed to happen in the first place, vs the third worlder implying its the same as voluntarily giving your kid a heroine needle
>>729001819>Simply you shouldn't buy the games you don't like. That's the best you can do against shitty games.That is what I am doing, I simply don't play games with lootboxes and p2w stuff.
>>728997558>Who forces you to buy them?>Who is forcing you to play the game?>Why are you entitled to the content?The problem is these game aren't restricted from children and not only are they not restricted but actively pushed on children. Its a gateway to a gambling addiction to children, imagine not knowing what a gambling addiction is nor understanding what addiction is yet all while getting into gambling loot boxes as a child. I myself have an addictive personality and know to stay away from this shit but if I got into this shit before knowing that? Id be fucked, there is a reason gambling addiction has the highest suicide rates and its because of shit like this right here. Never forget the UK lost to EA over loot box ruling because its not gambling its surprise mechanics
>>729005589>>Who forces you to buy them?>The dev.How did he do that? No dev forced me to buy anything in my entire life.
>>728997558Nobody fucking cares anymore 20$ for skins is the norm now and Fortnite changed all that with battle passes too. I'm not saying it's a good thing but hardly anyone uses this system and it's still a scam
Name a group more unpleasant to talk to than lolbertarians. You cannot. Even commies are better, and that is really saying something.
>>729005656>That is what I am doing, I simply don't play games with lootboxes and p2w stuff.Based on the 99% of the comments here you are some kind of metahuman or god. How did you achieve this ability? Did you practice in a Shaolin monastery for 50 years?
>>729005929My guess is training with tibetan monks on how to perfectly cherrypick arguments and make strawmans based on them
>>729005896>T. I'm totally not a Chinese communist Wumao who follows all the state mandates whilst repeating the mantra "I'm a good commie dog! I'm a good commie dog! GOVERN ME HARDER DADDY! UWU!"Sure.
>>729005683>The problem is these game aren't restricted from childrenWhy do you buy addictive games to your kids? How come you don’t know that the child is mentally ill? Don’t you usually talk to your child? What kind of horrible parent are you?
>>728997558>lootboxesit's gambling; being enticed by the prospect of getting something of value while leaving it up to unknown chance.it's predatory in that regard, preying on a person's desire to gain something without telling them it's a ruse to swindle and leave them with nothing.that's not a fair transaction, but daylight robbery, which is morally detestable.
>>729006002Lolbertarians are also incredibly easy to bait because they are all low IQ by definition
>>729005896
>>728997558Reason 1) Paying for a chance at X is the exact same thing as gambling.Reason 2) Gambling is an addictive habitReason 3) Having purchased a game, be it on sale/discounted or full price, the player has already paid for access to the game and should have everything to play said game.Reason 3a) History has taught everyone, whether they have learned the lesson or not, that companies will do everything in their power to take every last cent from the player in the most scummy of ways and call it "value"Reason 4) History has also taught everyone, whether they have learned the lesson or not, that companies will enshittify their product over time, regardless of their previous "promises" (Adding in weapons/powerups/in-game advantages to said loot boxes with no other way to access them without paying money. Attempting to add in-game advertisements. Locking away certain maps/environments/game modes/rulesets/etc)Reason 5) 95% of the companies out there have, at one point or another, done one or all of the aboveWhy should we trust any company out there when time and again, through every "promise" they would NEVER do any of these things, through every "apology to our players" once they have and gained massive backlash, through smiling lips and gritted teeth that they "listen to feedback and want to ensure the highest possible quality to the players" only to be lying. Why would we EVER trust any company out there? Tell me one decent reason, OP. You massive cocksucking faggot.
>>729006057>T. I totally was just baiting guys... I'm actually not retarded you are.Don't you have more boots to polish with your tongue?
>>729005683So you are in favor of internet ids then? Or how do you propose screening children from these games?Gambling addiction is the same shit as cyberbullying by the way, anything that isn't literally rewiring you into wanting it more on chemical level isn't a real addiction.
>>729006092Don't forget all the usual rhetoric of:>You must think of the others, you must think of collective good, you must not say that, that's harmful to say about a victimized group of people!kek, they actually believe it.
Every child should be allowed to spend his and her money on any game they want unless it supports antisemitism
>>729006336Every child should be allowed to spend his and her money on any game they want especially when it supports antisemitism
>>729006232Not who youre replying to, but the problem isnt that we should screen out kids from buying certain games but instead that we should simply not allow these practices in our games in general. There is no concievable good that comes from it outside of faggots who say "ha! Let them waste their money! It doesnt affect me!" When the retards that spend money on that shit allow publishers to prioritize it instead of actually making good games. Also gambling is proven to rewire your brain into wanting more on a chemical level lol, have you ever walked into a casino and seen all the zombies walking around?
>>728997558I'm a conservative. Predatory market practices are inherently immoral and therefore need to be stopped. Satan will not win.
>>729006638But have you considered that it doesnt affect you personally? You have yet to consider the fact that addictions would not exist in a perfect world, therefore we HAVE to allow these predatory market practices
>>728997558It's very simple. As long as it's legal, EVERYONE will do it because it's economically more viable. You'd have to abandon gaming as a hobby altogether because the legality of scummy practices incentivises their use.
>>729006605>Wanting more.Only if you are delusional and not a fully well mannered adult or mature enough of a teenager. I've gambled a bit and even helped my pops win at state lottery (minor win but still good) through picking random numbers, gambled a bit on state backed casino, don't really have a care for gambling too much. I don't "get the thrill" from it others do, I'm more calculative about it, so case in point against your hypothesis, oh and my old man also won at lottery one time on his own and never got "too addicted into gambling" because he managed his money well and that trait got passed down to me I suppose and reasonable parent would teach their kids morality and not require their state to govern them.
>>729006232I want the loot boxes banned and or the games rated 18+
>>729006752Faggots don't affect me personally and they still shouldn't be allowed to marry or hold their degenerate parades in public.
>>729006817>Only if you are delusional and not a fully well mannered adultquiet everyone the expert is speaking
>>729006817Lol cool low iq response "well maybe it has been studied and proven, but i did it and i didnt get addicted to obviously every single study and basic observation is wrong!"
>>729006232>So you are in favor of internet ids then?Anon we are getting internet ID within the next few years no matter how hard you kick and scream. Fighting against internet ID at this point is like fighting against AI.
>>729006605Okay sure, how are you going to achieve that without letting government put the foot in on regulating all the gaming, for the greater good of society ofcourse. Because neither whales nor nomalfags are that against lootboxes, you have zero societal pressure behind you and none of the interest groups will rally over the fact before ensuring the usual soccermom talking points of violence and sex appeal are dealt with first.
>>729006442And there it is!
>>729006092>immediately proves him correctlolbertarians are natural lolcows
>>729001451Addictions have never been solved by assuming it will solve itself doing nothing. Meanwhile the source of said addiction use said money to create more addict.I really hope you are at least paid for pushing that bullshit because I can't imagine more pitiable than pretending to be stupid for free.
>>729006996>regulation is le bad>unless it's our guys in office of course :)
>>729006926More of the case of:>This is an extreme and doctors are known to talk in hyperboles to justify whatever hypothesis they had without pointing out a balanced reasoning with a "there's a chance it can happen, but most of the time it will only affect people with low reasoning and rational thinking skills."
>>729006996Im the same guy who wrote this:>>729004290Theres not really much we can do in terms of actually banning it through government without it going too far somehow, but i still hold my position that gambling in video games is plain ole bad and you dont have to argue in favor of it just because government intervention would also be bad
>>729006605>in our gamesWhat if other people like games that you don't like?
>>729007125And your source is "i used to gamble but now i dont so obviously this goes for everyone else". It doesnt take a doctors study to use your eyes and see the zombies in gambling halls or suicide rates due to gambling addictions lol
>>729007051Doesn't prove your point, you are just a commie and nobody likes you because you try to take their stuff. You see, we call that "stealing" in the west, what we do to would be thieves is stab them and slit their throats.
>>729007269They might be retarded but, believe it or not, i dont wish them to develop a gambling addiction
>>729006752It's funny how our problems are growing proportionally with the number of these regulations.It looks like you can't really solve societal problems without individual, personal responsibility.
>>729007346>stab them and slit their throatsLiteral (sand)nigger behaviour.
>wanting your hobby to be void of exploitative practices is somehow a bad thing to the """"""""""""people"""""""""""" defending the corporations
>>729007318>Literally only affecting 3~5% percent of the population.Not an issue if your brain is well developed.
>>729006813>As long as it's legal, EVERYONE will do itNon of my bought games contain anything like that.
>>729007447Just white man business, either stab them in public or shoot them if on property. You have 0 rights to other people's stuff without paying or doing work.
>>728997558Gambling can be addictive and pry on mental tricks to get money. It's not a business practice, it's abuse.
>>729007461>stupid people deserve to be exploitedcan we toss this anon into the sun?
>>729007529>You must think of le SOCIAL HARMONY.You sound like good manure for that soil.
>>729007529If they don't want to be exploited, why don't they just stop?
>>729007590Thinkin' society would be better without people like you
>>729007431Yeah i also noticed our problems are growing with the general population, more people gaming than ever before and the fact that more and more publishers and be bolder and bolder with their bad business practices and still remain almost completely unchecked. The real answer is the insane amount of indians being given access to the internet fund the shitty business tactics but we can probably both agree on cutting their internet would just be a net positive
>>729007519>stab them in publicOk nigger
>>729007610You can think all you want in your cuck chair bucko.
>>729007346>what we do to would be thieves is stab them and slit their throatsDo that anywhere outside of US, and some places inside of it too for that matter, and see what happens lmao.
>>728997558They are paying armies of neuroscientists to find what will trigger your brain. They are literally looking for bug in our code. They deserve the firing squad, you included, for selling modern opium.
>>729007461Yeah im sure heroine also only affects a small percentage of the population, i still think its addictive and should be banned
>>729007639>knows about cuck chairsSays more about you than me champ
>duh just avoid the food with lead in it>hurr just avoid the medicine with mercury in it>corporations should be able to do anything they want and it's YOUR fault if it's bad for consumersNo retard, regulations are actually good when applied well. It's not an all or nothing deal, there's nuance.
>>729003403>government bad! regulation bad!You aren't even giving examples of countries doing anything similar. You are just gaslighting so you don't have to explain.UK and Russia don't regulate shit and make good game, NK & China are dictatorship and vidya is the least of the problems.Outlawing lootbox is common sense unless you are a scammer yourself trying to get people addicted to your shit. Greed and all.
>>729007640Most countries believe it or not have a rigid Self Defense rights and preservation laws and lawyers that will put up a good word on the case against criminal thieves. Thieves get 0 protection. Only Chinese have backwards laws against defending property.
>>729007685Case study, portugal, don't criminalize it without having a place to go to in order to rehab from it.
>>729007675>They are paying armies of neuroscientists to find what will trigger your brain.Bro they're just jingling keys.
>>729007701>with a perfect government regulations are goodwater is also wet, more breaking news at 11
>>729007675And you have no other tools than involve the government in your daily gaming choices and give out your personal data for abuse to all those hated big tech companies.Informing people and taking care of your friends and families is somehow not an option for you.
>>728997558Gambling is a literal national security threat, especially when money leaves the pockets of the citizens of your country to fill the pockets of foreign agents.
>fluoride in the drinking water isn't bad since only the retards will use itthis thread is wild
>>729007701>thinks pink boot made of pixels is equal to food and medicine>calls me retard
>>728997915>whereThey don't. Parents let them play games on their phones, because it's easier than looking after them. Phones typically has a linked card. Predatory publishers exploit this.pic unrelated
>>729007810Yes, good regulations are good, thanks for agreeing with me. You do know that video games are already under many already, right? You do know it's good thing that people cannot just scam you with no legal consequences, right?
>>729007891Have you considered that banning flouride might be used to hurt the small independant water companies?
>>729007891>fluoride in the drinking water isn't badIt's really not bad, but basically useless
>>729007701I agree with this fella, if anything regulations should crack down on corruption of office and bad business practice that exploits actual fucking illegality that's already codified as such. Otherwise, fuck off from businesses. (Examples, fraud and scams.)
>>729004467>We should ban murder from video games tooPretending to do something isn't the same as practicing gambling. Just like watching people get murdered on TV doesn't mean supporting it.Besides, we ALREADY have rating systems helping parent know what to show to their children.You contradict your argument just by being here, so you should leave if you actually believe them.
>>729007892>doesnt read the post>calls others retardedLast sentence was specifially for you, mouthbreather.
>>728997558The total content available for your game should not exceed three figures. If you can't own everything even by spending 999 dollars the publishers and developers need to fuck off and die.>>728998831People like cosmetics and don't want to gamble for them or babysit a rotating storefront
>>729007881>Gambling is a literal national security threatIf gambling is a threat to your nation then your nation shouldn't exist. You already accepted that your society is a farm of cattle.
>>729002596This, op is retarded or a shill
>>729007940>Parents let them play games on their phones, because it's easier than looking after them. Phones typically has a linked card. Predatory publishers exploit this.So it's bad parenting and technological illiteracy. Sounds like a you problem.
>>728997558>You want to use force to compel others even though they didn’t force you to do anything. Beyond the fact that such laws are immoral to begin with, they always cause more harm than good and make it impossible for many market participants to operate especially the smaller ones.Lmao they always say this. "Please think about the gacha addicts". Yeah, no. Get that shit away from games.
>>729008171Both
>>729008185Your kid took the heroine needle by the shady guy outside the school sounds like a you problem, lets not blame the shady guy handing out heroine needles outside a school
>>729005017>But you are literally not parenting your kid. You want parenting laws for everyone else because your kid is stronger and smarter than you.Sometime laws have to compensate for retarded parents who don't tell their kid that gambling is bad, or that paying for drugs make you responsible for all crimes committed in their productions & delivery.
>>729007952A decent country don't need more than 1000 pages of laws, decrees and regulations.Now you have millions of pages. Based on that your life should be perfect. In reality it only hinders value-creating people from creating value in order to save the incapable from themselves. The result is that everyone becomes poorer and the range of choices becomes smaller.
>>729008185>akshually corporations should be allowed to exploit children and promote gambling addiction because it's a good thinggood morning sirSKG legislation is coming, enjoy your below minimum wage shill job while you still have it. Tick tock :)
>>729008263>Pixels are like heroinShut up retard!
>>729008307And the range of choices being funneled into gacha game, lootbox game or battlepass game has nothing to do with publishers
>>729008307>value-creating peopleCorpos are not creating value and are definitely not people
>>729008268Might as well just let state raise your kids then
>>728999040>where'd dobson go?
>>729008307A decent country doesn't need to ban every offensive to their host or foreign country from discussions that they are not part of either.
>>729008369Its called an analogy, it means to compare 2 things that are similar in a way that helps explain something from your initial argument. Heroine is probably more potent than gambling in terms of addiction, but the idea is we should probably blame the guy handing out heroine needles first
>>729008268>Sometime laws have to compensate for retarded parentsThis is the thinking that I hate the most. Politicians have no real responsibility. Also parenthood is not a transferable responsibility. If we make the state the parent, it will ruin more children than allowing a few deranged parents to abuse their own children.
>>728997558>Who forces you to buy them?>Who is forcing you to play the game?Retarded argument. I can say same thing about drugs, who forces you to buy them? Are you idiot? hahah, why would you spend money on drugs?BULLSHITLootboxes just as drugs play on various factors within human psyche to exploit them. Its a combination of dopamine when opening a surprise (similar to gambling) and FOMO. Just look at it from objective perspective:What value specifically does the lootbox system provide to the customer? There is none. It is simply there to take away his money, it doesn't provide any value, it does not contribute anything to the humanity. It's just another tax. Which is why it is inherently evil.
>>729008496They do actually, it is called protecting your population from foreign influence which every major political entity did whether you are aware of it or not all throughout history
>>729008412Regulations affect small businesses more.More regulations = More centralized market
>>729007940if I ever did some shit like that to my parents they would have beaten the shit out of me
>>729008321>I hate my kids and I want the government to take care of them
>>729008548If having laws designed to protect minors equates to the state becoming the parent then, by this definition, the state has been the parent for as long as we have had compulsory education, which is around 200 years give or take a couple of decades.
>>729008652Explain how regulating lootboxes affect indie games. There are tons of indie games using lootboxes and other gamblig mechanics, right?
>>728997558The point is that I'm not going to pay for a game and later deal with predatory (psycologically) practices to shake more money out of me for enjoyment. Why subject myself to that? There are other games that don't do it and are more enjoyable overall.
>>729006038>Why do you buy addictive games to your kids?nta, I don't so they aren't brainwashed into retards who think gambling addiction are "what the cool kid have".No game is perfect but that's a poor excuse to encourage shitty practices
>>729008530>Its called an analogyThis is a bad analogy whose purpose is demagoguery and exaggeration.
>>729008592>What value specifically does the lootbox system provide to the customer?What value do video games create for the consumer?"They're fun" doesn't count. Gambling is also fun, that's why people have done it long before billionaires ever existed.>it does not contribute anything to the humanityHello ESL.
>>729006038>Why do you buy addictive games to your kids?What is free 2 p(l)ay?
>>729008740>laws designed to protect minorsThis doesn't protect minors. It just hides the lack of parenting.
>>728997558even if you and i don't buy them, retards will still buy them.and exploiting retards is more profitable than making a good videogame.
>>729008843I hope you and your family gets the black plague
>>729006638>Satan will not win.Religion is an addictive predatory market practices tho. Those getting power or money from it don't actually believe the bullshit they preach.So you should also fight against Christianism and all other sects.
>>729008751Vampire Survivors did, corporations have army of lawyers, indies don't and can't protect themselves from interest groups fucking with them.
>>729008843Its funny how a mutt thinks that being ESL is some sort of an insult where you cannot even master a single language properlyA video game does not cost you money every time you play it, you just buy a full product and you enjoy it. It has rather artistic value. A gacha doesn't
>>729008873It protects minors from their bad parents, yes. Should we let kids drink vodka too because you're ideologically possessed and think having common sense laws = stalinism?
>>729008626Ever since the 20th century we just learned better statecraft and promotion of ideas through good education instead of forcing brainwashing camps.
>>729008680And your parents would still be out of whatever amount you managed to spend. No refunds, goy :^)
Gambling is ontologically evil, and all evil should be illegal by its very nature.
>>729008816Noone other than a 3rd world retard who thinks hes showing off his amazing vocab skills uses the word "demagoguery". What analogy would you prefer i used? Should i have said cocaine instead? How dense is your skull to not get the point of the argument, instead arguing the semantics of what an analogy is?
>>729008968>Vampire Survivors didDid what? Where can you pay for lootboxes in that game?
>>729007269same as >>729007390, if they can argue it's not addictive then no problem, but common sense say gambling is addictive and bad for society.
>the worst bait gets the most attentionwhy
>>729009072Lack of teaching rational thinking skills and pragmatism instead of idealisms is what does this.
>>729007675Oh dare you imply they treat us like laboratory rats! Skinner box are legitimate gameplay experience!
>>729008751This normalizes state intervention and limits small companies’ opportunities for creative monetization. In reality, the categories are not black and white and can be interpreted arbitrarily, as is always the case in legal practice. You could use monetization strategies that are only mildly intrusive, or not intrusive at all when combined with other solutions, but the law makes them categorically illegal. You just make the competition more limited for small businesses and you will have less amount of games.What I’m talking about has already happened a thousand times in different markets.
>>729008979>Its funnyIts funny what?>where you cannotYou probably meant "while."
>>729009020We really didn't, it is all the same brainwashing just done a lot more subtle and insidious, US really perfected making cattle that doesn't realize it is one.
>>728997558>noooooo only big corporations can use the government to enforce their will
>>729008795>retards who think gambling addiction are "what the cool kid have".Then why are you a retard who think that gambling addiction is cool?
>>729009280>you will have less amount of games.Of course you will. Just like how corpos keep always bringing up this as an argument when someone tries to regulate them.Almost like apple, facebook or google threaten to leave if you dare to regulate them, but then, for some reason, they just stay and accept the new laws.
ITT: Anti-AI luddites
>>729009280Any indie game with "creative monetization" deserves to fail. The most they can have is modestly priced expansions via dlc
>>729009330Its only the fools who fall for the "state mandated" approach because they are too foolish and cowardly to think for themselves, most other intellectuals will read opposite views and even more darker views that are generally not approved by society and say "I see where they are coming from but my view point is..." instead of just blindly following the current thing and always remaining critical of what's been told to you. Even the source of the knowledge you agree with should be critically looked at.
>>729008423>Might as well just let state raise your kids thenWell, some people are in fact too stupid or medically ill to raise their children (like people addict to gambling or drug).So, glad you agree that government stepping up to improve how children are raised is a good thing
>>729009390Holy shit ESLs are really retarded. What the point of even trying to communicate in english if you can barely even process what op is saying? Where at all did you get the idea that they themselves believe gambling is cool?
>>729008931>Gambling is bad for your health but you should die a horrible death if you disagree with meWhat a well-intentioned argument from a truly decent person who cares about other people’s mental health.
>>729009605>who cares about other peoplewho said I do? I just want for you and your family to die.
>>728997558>Why are you entitled to the content?Because I bought the fucking game.
>>729009001>having common sense laws = stalinismIt wasn't common sense in the last 40 years since video games exist but suddenly we cant live without it.
Yes anon, the government should indeed step in when big corpos forget their place. That's how it's been in pretty much every other aspect of modern society and it's the reason why things aren't MUCH worse than they already are
>>729009675But think about the poor corporations and the bonuses of the C-suites
>ctrl+f (You)>95 resultsty everyone
>>729009724This lmaoOP would be one of the people defending company-owned towns where they paid you in scrip back in the day
>>729009063You pay with your time. Mobile version rewards you with a lootbox when there's an ad and you let it finish instead of closing it.inb4>[semantics]It's random loot and you don't know what exactly you get before it's delivered, just like any other lootbox.
>>729009760Based.Have one more.
>>729009675That was not the content that you bought though.
>>728997558There is always an audience of retards who buy slop. Without taking control over them, every corporation will adopt shitty practices.
>>729009836>Uhm akshually that's also a lootboxfucking retard
>>728997558I don't give a fuck when they are up front about it>it will cost x dollars to get it>you can level it up which costs y dollarswhen its shitty systems that try to hide it and try to trick people is what I take issue with>you get a free level every day!>and you can grind up to 10 levels each day!>you can surely get to level 350 in a month!>its only 5 hours of grinding per day!just fucking say it costs money and how much it is, I don't want to fuck around with ur retarded systems and 5 different currencies while trying to account for your dumb ass shitty systems to try to addict people, just tell me the fucking price or I don't want to engage.
>>729008548Governments are responsible for EVERY CITIZEN in the first place.You are just made responsible for raising your child properly by and if you can't do it, you should have this reponsibility removed.Politician are just a mechanism by which the population try to improve the government.
>>729009604>Where at all did you get the idea that they themselves believe gambling is cool?He introduced that idea so instead of accepting his projection I just pretend that it's his idea and not mine.If you argue in bad faith then I will as well.
>>729009862>Without taking control over them, every corporation will adopt shitty practices.All the control you took in the last 10 years normalized safetyism and made our games worse.
>>729009836>It's random loot and you don't know what exactly you get before it's delivered, just like any other lootbox.>it's a box>it contains loot>That's exactly what everyone is talking about here
>>729010075>If you argue in bad faith then I will as well.This is so fucking petty and bad faith yet this thread champions behavior like this for some reason.
>>729010075Cool that you didnt defend yourself at all after being accused of being a retarded ESL that cant comprehend basic english. No thats him saying that kids buying into these business tactics under the guise of them being cool is not projection, learn words before you use them pajeet
>>729010174>made our games worse.How did lootboxes/gacha/gambling improve gaming then?
>>729010174No, the devs being shitty and bowing to corpo demands is what made the games worse, retard
>>729009949You are not the intended audience, nobody gives a fuck if you engage or not.
>>729009390Why didn't you notice the quote making explicit that only retards think gambling addiction are "cool"? Too complex to understand for you? Or are you just disingenuous?
>>729010190I think its half contrarian pajeets and half people who dont realize that you can argue against gambling in games and government overlegislation at the same time
>>729009992>Governments are responsible for EVERY CITIZEN in the first place.Holy fuck NO! Where did you get that nonsense? The government is structurally designed to repel responsibility since it's based on violence instead of voluntary contract.
>>729009992Wrong, individuals are responsible for themselves, the government is responsible to secure a fair playing field and a safe country from outside (anti-espionage, warfare and border security) or inside harm (corruption, tyranny and others ergo policing.) I can tell you come from a communist shithole or a commie way of thinking. Just try and argue with this logic for a bit with the assumption Government is not your parent.
>>729010230>How did lootboxes/gacha/gambling improve gaming then?I didnt say its an improvement. I said if you dont like them dont buy them. We dont need more Karens in videogames.
>>729010568>if you dont like them dont buy themIf you don't like the horsearmor, don't buy it.
>>729010446And this is how you get to corporate dystopia, good job.
>>729010660Most people did like it though, which is why cosmetic dlcs are a thing.
>>729010707Suck a dick fag, not my issue wagie, back to the cuck cagie. The corpos wouldn't without business incentives from leftist governments enforce silly DEI or Woke gender-queer bullshit where it doesn't belong.
>>729010568There is no such thing as a neutral element to a game. If something can be removed from a game without negatively affecting its quality, then it should be removed
>>729009949Your "up front" case is only slightly less shitty,If the game is expected to have update or new content, the addictive randomness is just moved outside the game itself, into the hand of people who may or may not make your purchase worth it.That's why stores had to put a stop to false promises of extra content.
>>729010760>It was mainly a one time joke.>They were priced fairly.>It wasn't industry standard greedy monetization tactics so it was a novelty at the time.>People just wanted to thank the company for a good product with some money.That's all there's to the horse armor legend.
>>729010798>If something can be removed from a game>Sims 3/4 releasing without basic features from previous games>Endings sold as DLC>Character already in the game sold as DLCmany such cases
>serfdom is good actually
>>729010869have you tried finishing reading sentences before responding to them?
>>729010798This is how you get Fallout 4 and up.
>>728997639The lootbox hate wasn't manufactured but blizz sure as shit killed overwatch 1 simply so it could change it's skin unlock system to something less generous, and it's why I've never so much as downloaded overwatch 2
>>729010660There is no scenario where anyone owes you a horse armor 100% on your terms. You bought a game without a horse armor. That's what you deserve. If you miss the horse armor from it or you think it's too expensive with the horse armor then you shouldn't buy the game at all.
I don't want to just not support this, I want to see every company executive behind gacha and gambling fucking executed in public. I want them burned at the stake. I want them shot in the back. I want any of their supporters like OP to die with them.
>>729011117>misses the entire pointof course a corpococksucker doesn't understand the problem
>>728997558>Who forces you to buy them?Playing a high budget game with lootboxes is voluntarily putting your mind under siege by teams of psychologists and data analysts who have spent tens of thousands of man hours designing a system to get you pulling out your credit card and thinking it's your decision.
>>729009710Gambling in video games has only been a thing since like 2010 if you want to be generous and only exploded in popularity years later. Alcohol has existed since the dawn of humanity.
>>728997558If you understand the principles behind drug and food regulations, then you understand why people want these practices regulated as well.>If you don't like meth, don't buy it. >If you don't like oscar meyer putting rats in the sausage, don't buy it. >If you don't like carcinogens in your fast food, don't buy it. Stupid people being preyed upon makes bad people rich. Bad people being rich gives them power and influence. Bad people having power and influence lets them expand their predatory companies. Expansion of their companies pushes good people out of the industry and makes the market worse for the average person. Now almost all the products are bad and the few good ones are too expensive for most people to afford, since the good companies aren't getting tax breaks and cutting corners to make a cheaper, shittier product. Now everything sucks.
>>729010191brother I am an ESL, that guy is just retarded
>i'm ok with the neighborhood drug dealer peddling fentanyl onto the community because stupid people should be exploited>i'm ok with the neighborhood gachaSlopHouse peddling predatory behavior onto the community because stupid people should be exploited
>>729010769>it's government bodies doing the woke shit, pls ignore the 1%ers behind the curtain
>>729010798>If something can be removed from a game without negatively affecting its qualitythis is so subjective it effectively means nothing at allwhat mechanics/characters/quests you don't think affect gameplay are really important to otherswhat things others find great enjoyment in, you find to be boring or even detrimental when those things are removed, one person is happy/neutral and another is upset
>>729011857This comparison is too hard for indians to understand
it's crazy how almost every game is a storefront now.
>>729010342>>729010446Just wanting frontiers mean you have no right that isn't granted to you & enforced by a government in charge of said frontiers, if we followed your anarchic idiocy you'd have no more rights than "illegal immigrant" because the only people with actual power & control over that would be private business hiring them. You literally cannot fight those "inside harm" of yours without a government taking responsibility over what its citizens do.
>>729011736This. Anti-regulation fags always screech and shit their pants about how any gov intervention is bad but if there wasn't any they'd be eating corn syrup slop, living in pods with ads blasting everywhere and the biggest local corpo would own their internal organs.
>>729011969Retards played CP2077 and now want to live in Night City
>>729010174What control? Every game corp has been allowed to run rampant, they need to be culled.
>>728997558>32 dollars for the opportunity to get a single skin for a character you actually likeholy fuck, is this at least in another countries funny money with a US dollar symbol or are these really burger bones? explain yourselves overwatchfags
>>729012054at least we'd live in a cool dystopia, instead we have reddit fascists and stripmalls
>>728997558you belong on a cross.
>>729011969But think about all the epic indie games were missing out on
>>729012107>explain yourselves overwatch fagsfirst time ever seeing lootboxes anon? you can't buy em anymore anyway, we've moved onto the fortnite flavor of monetization with extremely overpriced skins and a rotating shop model. if you want to blame anyone for lootboxes, blame TF2 and crates
>>729011949>Idiot tries to call Classic Republicanism anarchy where the people have no rights to shoot when attacked.>Or the fact that one has freedom of speech and the right defend one's property.Oh my. CLASS A RETARD. Read through Anti-Statist and Statist papers please.
>>729012218it is actually my first time seeing one that is 'valued' at 16 dollars a pop. i'll give blizzard credit and say they do full body cosmetics but even still that seems egregious
>>729012209oh man not the epic indie game with predatory lootboxes man it would have been so cool the next Minecraft probably
>>729011736How dare you take away the freedom to exploit stupid people!And what of our revenue?Won't anyone please think of our revenue?
>>729012054>>729011969China isn't looking too hot right now, actually super hot pollution rates, quarters of scams on meta came from chinese companies and all that Mr. Big Government Lover. Go fuck yourself.
What other predatory get rich quick schemes can corpos come up with? If the idea of their "free to play, but totally generous and benevolent games that deserve your money" get banned they will just pivot their psychologists to something else.
>>729012425buckley got a laugh out of me, its over
Because they literally remove shit from the base game to monetize it further. Overwatch loot boxes LAUNCHED with the full price game; you were paying for boxes to get shit already on disc. Don't get me started on Day one DLC, you boot licking shill.
>>729012558Rn its rotating shops and fomo, honestly i doubt anything can be done about it without banning the idea of paywalling optional content in general
>>729012209>But think about all the epic indie games were missing out onCorpo would kill them (economically speaking, thought option open) for being competitors. They would introduce rules that prevent anything by their product from existing on the market."Indy" would be forced to work for the corporation, subject to their approval over every thing they are allowed to do, assuming the corpo believe that pretending to have indy devs make money.
>>729012558> In-Game Property Purchase.(Rent that can be rented to other players.) NFT on steroids.> Everything is meta-gamed and real currency based and its a full scale PVP with factions, you can sell whatever you want on the auction house for real cash.> No actual gambling mechanics, just a subscription fee (like $5 or something that also grants some premium gems) to upgrade your inventory.All legal.
>>729012483>the only options are no regulations or a state-controlled economydirection-brained retard
>>729012257>claim to be classic republican>don't understand property and freedom of speech require a strong state ruling themAt this point, I can only call you delusional. You look like the kind of dumbass who have gone so far right-wing they are coming back ultra left-wing unsure if the government should fuck off or only apply to whatever they want crushed with an iron fist.
>>728997558OP is a cocksucking faggot.
Battle passes replaced it which has better engagement to keep people playing
>>729012558>full priced game that comes with all the content
>>729012558>What other predatory get rich quick schemes can corpos come up with?You won't get hired by corpos like that. They don't want "quick schemes", they want insidious psychological traps that can be sold as socially acceptable if they don't even become "public service" protected by the laws, hell make it a religion.
>>728997558Brainlet take, do more research about the subject before making stupid questions.
Oy vey not letting giga corps exploit vulnerable people is anti semitic. What are you a commie nazi?
>>729012770>In-Game Property Purchase.(Rent that can be rented to other players.) NFT on steroids.>Everything is meta-gamed and real currency based and its a full scale PVP with factions, you can sell whatever you want on the auction house for real cash.Was already done by Second Life and Entropia Universe
>>729013473Again you misread my statements on purpose and don't understand "borders" and "anti-corruption" are DEFACTO where government's role and resources are pooled into in anti-statist governance model because the government's job is that of a military and the governing of public legislation and upholding of the law and justice. I don't see a conflict of interest. Only a statist that wants to take away rights and freedoms would rather than to preserve them.
>>729014502Was it ever done in proper science-fantasy sort of thing (imagine world of warcraft) and when I meant PVP I meant it would be always on outside of safe-zones (cities/towns.)
>>729012770That's literally eve online
>>728997558I don't get the problem with drugs, fraud, usury, nepotism, etc.: Who forces you to buy them? Who is forcing you to participate?Why are you entitled to a functioning monetary system and society?If someone induldges socially misengineering and botched eugenics why do you want to give them money?Of course you can exoress your disagreement with predatory buisness practices. I have no problem with that. My problem is when you start protesting for frauds, usurers, merchants, drug dealers etc. be held accountable. You want to use laws to be applied to everyone, even though you're a gentile. Beyond the fact that such laws aren't kosher to begin with, they always cause more harm than good and force the tribe to orchestrate war and crisis to bully gentiles into submission.
>>729014974Germans love it, its their secret fetish game.>Efficiency and number wank.>Excel spreadsheet required to minmax the fun out of the game.>The game encourages 4x buttfucking everyone else over through crony capitalism. IN SPACE!
>>728998759How many indie games are gacha garbage? At least try to bait properly you brainrotten cretin
>>729014834>https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/planet-calypso-player-sells-virtual-resort-for-63500000-usd-107426428.htmlLiterally Entropia Universe. Look it up. It is butfuckingugly but still alive, running for two decades at this point
>>729007085There is, and it's actually being that stupid for free
>>729015052Hey man, cool it with the anti-semitistic remarks!
>>729014534I'm not misreading, you just childishly believe you can get it both way by twisting words when your actual freedom is actually defined by the strength of your government (both within and outside borders by the way) and its Justice system overulling everything you want. Regardless if it is selectively enforced if unnoticed or unreported.The "anti-statist" government you dream of cannot logically exist because it's built upon contradictions. For someone who pretend to want "rights & freedoms", like the other anon said you are pretty much paving the way for corporate fiefdom.
>>729015280Naturally stupid people didn't choose it, pretending to be stupid now...
>>729015410Nope, anything that doesn't combat corruption on legislative level and border security enforcing checks and balances against such forms of tyranny which undermine the people's rights is authoritarian especially when it targets non-issue business practices. Gambling is not illegal just because your uncle or something got fucked over don't matter to me if he didn't do his due diligence.
>>728997558Kys faggot. Unlocks used to be in games for doing shit, not being a pay pig. Video game developers and companies that rely on micro transactions instead of making a good game can go fuck themselves. Halo is the perfect example. Full fucking price games with micro transaction faggotry deserve to die forever.
