>>728997834
You are going to trigger the brony marketer be careful.

>>728997834
yeah it's not great, the sequel greatly toned down the unfunny attempts at monty python quips and made more fights ambushes so you couldnt just automatically win by scouting ahead

>>728998119
Yeah. First dialogue with cat man in front of city gate should tell op that this entire game is going to be filled with marvelquips all over the place. I never finished act 1 because of how everyone in this game couldnt take each other seriously and boil everything down to 'comedy', its kind of unmotivating

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>>728997834
Opinions on this one? I may get it on sale

>>728998550
Janky fun for an hour or so. Wouldn't pay money for the experience.

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*mogs all Larianslop*

>>728997834
I made the mistake of playing the sequel first with a couple friends and after we beat it we went to try the first one, couldn't do it

>>728998814
the first poe bored me to tears lol

>>728997834
I pirated this after the Divinity trailer tricked me into thinking that it's some dark fantasy horror type thing only to be met with yet another generic LotR ripoff

>>728998550
Its only fun in the first part but dull on the rest
If youre new to divinity, this entire franchise something that you would label as 'okay' franchise; it was never a masterpiece, but its not bad either; their best game was never in the same level as dragon age origins, but their worst game was never in the same level as dragon age veilguard. It was a stable franchise, not exceptionally remarkable but not ugly either

>>728998814
Titan quest > poe

>>728998843
I played Divinity OS2 so I'm not really new to the franchise but the visuals of Divine Divinity just caught my attention

So, the new one wont be a top down/crpg?

>>728999019
It will be

>>728998550
>non linear quest design
>get soft locked if you don't do it in proper order anyway

>>728998968
It started like your usual comfy rpg - with village, basic knife weapon at start, some quest from locals, worldbuilding via dialogue, some underground dungeon, all in tutorial level that took around 1hr to beat. But unlike dos, early divinity (divine and beyond) is something similar to arpg hack and slash in terms of gameplay, its not turn based in any sense, and the story is more 'serious' as in your typical classic fantasy as opposed to whimsical and comedical dos franchise, might even say that dos are completely different games than classic divinity

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kiddinity is the most overrated RPG series in history

>>728999715
That would be Dragon Age.

>>728999715
That would be Fallout

>>728999715
That would be Elder Scrolls

OS 1 and 2 are good for the combat alone.
If you want a bioware romcom BG3 is your thing

>>728999715
That would be Mass Effect

>>728998834
This.

>>728997834
Same feelings
Do I have to play this shit before playing 2?

>>729000569
It might feel like you're missing something at first but the games are basically not connected and there's like a thousand years in-between them

>>729000569
no one who played bg3 has played the old games either, so youll be fine

>>729000569
in dos1 sourcerers are the antagonists. youve now played dos1 and are ready for the sequel

>>729000838
so its just... dragon age 2?

>>728997834
It's silly but I riked it

>>729000906
i havent played dragon age 2, the point was that you play as a sourcerer in dos2 which is the only thing connecting the two games

>>728998814
>Main story setup
>20 hours of sidequests
>Main story conclusion

I hate this formula. Dragon Age origins had it too, although it's less noticeable because the big sidequests at least had a tenuous connection to the main quest. Put some fucking effort into actually writing a good and long storyline.

>>729001057
thats literally every obsidian game

>>728998834
>>729000280
what you mean? you guys don't like reading paragraphs of text about random dead people?

>>729001178
And bioware game
And bethesda game
And cdpr game

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>>728998814
love pillars, simple as. I hope we get a POE3 one day

>>729001521
nah, you WILL be getting more Avowed and Outter Worlds tier slop and you will enjoy it!

Last good thing obisidan has ever made was Pentiment

>>728997834
it's their best game and you got filtered

>>728998814
sell me on it

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>>729001608
I liked Avowed but I just want more CRPGs set in Eora and a POE3 to finish the story Deadfire set up.

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>>729001660
A love letter to infinity engine games of old (BG, Icewind Dale) with good writing, good characters, interesting lore and a grim moody atmosphere. The first game has a lot of text which I didn't mind, but the second one trims it down a bit more. Also beautiful maps. Both games now have turn based mode as well if you prefer that over RTwP

>>728997834
Eh, fun with a friend, was still somewhat novel when the EE dropped. With OS2 the formula got old real quick and by the time bg3 actually released I knew I hated larian.

>>729001660
Did you enjoy old infinity engine games? If not, then you won't like it.

>>728997834
Divinity games including Baldur's Gate 3 are one-note dogshit that ripped off Ultima's gimmick and (rightly) nobody cared until decades later when Larian injected Marvelslop writing and gay niggers to attract the Reddit audience.
Larianiggers will seethe at this post but they'll never refute it, because they can't.

>>729001871
The mega dungeon was the best part of the game, so even if you prefer IWD style dungeon crawlers over BG1/2 you will have a fantastic section of the game to look forward to.

>>728997834
is that really the official boxart? it looks horrible.

>>729002354
It's alright. Story is generic as fuck. OST is great. Each game after, larian has lost more soul and has doubled down on the things that Normie's gulp up.
>more unusable items to shit up your inventory
>more surface liquid effects
>sloggier combat
>more quirk chungus
OS1 didn't suffer from the plight of origin characters or too much (as in: noticeable, immersion breaking) globohomo.

>>729003087
What the fuck are you talking about, DOS1 is infamous for every other line being a failed attempt at a Monty Python joke and literally nobody in the game world takes anything seriously. The sequel is significantly darker in tone
Retarded zoomer tourist

What modern CRPGs are actually good? All I’ve played is Shadowrun Dragonfall and liked it

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>>728997834
Literally the only good original sin game among all 3.

>>729003816
Pillars of Eternity, Tyranny, Rogue Trader, Disco Elysium, Wrath of the Righteous, Original Sin 2, BG3

>>729003816
underrail, divinity original sin 2, baldurs gate 3, some say pathfinder i say no

>>728998550
BLAST HAVERS WW@???

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>>729003863
There's only 2 Original Sin games.

>>729003816
This is a list of games that are noteworthy. Not necessarily great or even good, just noteworthy:
>Divinity OS1
>Divinity OS2
>BG3
>Pathfinder Kingmaker
>Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous
>Rogue Trader
>Pillars of Eternity
>Pillars of Eternity 2
>Tyranny
>Expeditions Viking
>Expeditions Rome
>Shadowrun Hong Kong
>Disco Elysium
>Underrail
>Wasteland 2
>Wasteland 3
>Jagged Alliance 3

>>729003703
>The sequel is significantly darker in tone
Wowee I guess I was just enjoying it wrong, I guess that makes up for origin characters, shit gameplay and more globohomo
Fucking retard

>>729004441
Goalposts: moved
Concession: accepted
Begone tourist

>>729004478
>Goalposts: moved
>where I said os1 was meh and 2 was worse in all those ways I listed
I don't think you even know what a goalpost is

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>>729004246
no there's this one too

>>728997834
If this is the original sin, imagine how shit the unoriginal sin is

>>729004907
all fields, I can respect that

>>728997860
>brony
I don't hear about those very often these days. Did furries and switch owners displace them?

>>729004907
>>729005148
Fuck, my browser automatically filled in the name field. No sage.

>>728997834
boring yuroslop

>>728997834
gotta play the enhanced edition, unc

>>729006848
fr?

>>729007423
frfr skibidi

>>728998550
actual dogshit, literally nothing remarkable about this game

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>>728997834
Which ass?

>>729004357
PoE2 is noteworthy purely for the bad design changes they made for no reason and the crappy boat minigame that somehow ate most of their budget.

>>729010742
The combat changes are a sidegrade at worst
The item changes were almost entirely positive besides the fact that you can no longer upgrade basic gear to legendary quality and there being limited unique e.g. crossbows and arbalasts meaning that it is hard to take advantage of modals in the late game since superior quality weapons have too shit accuracy, pen and damage
The story is kinda shit, but the factions were decent and the dlcs were really quite good
Sounds like you never played it to be hoenst

>>729011448
>Reduced party size to five for no reason
>Keyed every buff and debuff to a main stat so status effects are just a matter of "who cast on this stat last"
>Made martial abilities dependent on a power pool instead of "x times per encounter", and the pool scales so slowly that you basically need to multiclass just so you can do more than two things per combat before defaulting to AAs
>Gutted the number of spells per tier that casters get to justify per encounter spells
>Added a bunch of redundant skills while rewarding those who hyper-focus on one with stuff like Giftbearer's Cloth
All that stuff is lame, anon.

>>729011448
>The story is kinda shit, but the factions were decent and the dlcs were really quite good
I liked how annoying all the factions were. Made me think about what I was doing, who I was working for and why. There is no feel good option and the DLCs were great. I loved the wizard one (forget the name) that had lots of cool set pieces and lore. Both DLCs for POE1 were great too.

>>729011805
>>Reduced party size to five for no reason
As someone who played both games on potd I'd argue this is good for balance as it makes it harder to make a perfect party without some weakness but it's a matter of taste and depends on what class your main character is
>>Keyed every buff and debuff to a main stat so status effects are just a matter of "who cast on this stat last"
That is a big oversimplification if not outright wrong. Buffs and debuffs are generally quite nerfed, this I agree with, however they were super broken in the first game. Shields of the faithful, blindness, paralyze etc were fucking crazy
The real issue with the buff and debuff system is that every enemy lategame is immune to physical debuffs which makes half of them worthless in addition to every enemy having crazy resolve and stuff like dex debuffs (paralyze) and perception buffs (intuitive) being fucking broken whereas most else is useless either in general (con buffs) or because of immunities (resolve debuffs for the enemy)
Inspirations countering debuffs and vice versa is a cool idea and there being 3 tiers and resistance is also fine, better than the outright immunities of the first game
>>Made martial abilities dependent on a power pool instead of "x times per encounter", and the pool scales so slowly that you basically need to multiclass just so you can do more than two things per combat before defaulting to AAs
That is bullshit and going 20 levels in fighter or rogue is viable for example. Taking more points in fighter also increases your fighter power level. If you hate that mechanic it's fine, but dont pretend like martials suffer hard or "need" to multiclass. Especially when ancenstors memories exists and you can empower to regain half of your resoruces
>>Gutted the number of spells per tier that casters get to justify per encounter spells
I didnt like this change either but 1/2

>>729011805
>>729012354
Empowering exist for the encounters where you need extra spellslots and the first game already had per resource encounters, i.e. the second games system, so it wasnt that big of a change. Resource management in the first game was fake because camp supplies were super common and resting in inns was easy and beneficial and taking your time wasnt an issue (outside of the achievement)
Fights in deadfire are generally designed around the amount of resources you do have and you could get through a lot of encounters in the first game by just e.g. using arcane assault + your mastered spells so what is the difference there?
The real issue is that some spells tiers are more interesting than others and you have way too few level 6 spells and too many level 4 for example.
>>Added a bunch of redundant skills while rewarding those who hyper-focus on one with stuff like Giftbearer's Cloth
All that stuff is lame, anon.
I mean yeah, a lot of the skills were kinda useless but spreading them out across your party of 5 is no big deal and respeccing is cheap to allow you to use such items. I dont really have an opinion about this, but it's kinda neutral. It's not really "munchkin" to make one character focus on deception and another on history is it? The issue is more that it makes for shit roleplaying but so does multiclassing

>>728998550
Its good.

>>728998550
It's pretty alright. You might like it.

>>729001521
>>729001685
Didn't Obsidian say they weren't going to make a third Pillars because they left the second game with too many different endings to write around?

>>728997834
why do you hate heterosexual games?

>>728997834
>start the game
>okay so far
>get an hour or so into it
>"YOU'RE THE SUPER SPECIAL CHOSEN ONE AND YOU'RE SO SUPER SPECIAL ON YOU AND SAVE THE WORLD BECAUSE YOU'RE SO SUPER SPECIAL"

i have never lost interest in a game so fast.

>>729014375
No. There aren't that many ending variations and the big effect from them won't be felt in universe for decades - enough time to give them a much needed time skip. I think they may make a POE3 at some point but not in the immediate future.

>>729014634
Anon, the very first game in the series, you play as a guy trying to become the Divine. Divinity protagonists have always been special.

>>728997834
Anyone else get Diablo IV vibes from the teaser trailer?

>>729010742
poe2 combat is simply perfection. The only bad thing about the game is the purple prose and the girlbosses

I've started playing this again, took the randomly created party which was a battlemage and an inquisitor. How do you do barrelmancy again? Just pocket some oil barrels and throw them at enemies + fireballl?

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>>729015076
Not really. The expansion trailer they showed after it looked kind of wimpy in comparison. The bit with Mephisto was pretty silly, too.

>>728998814
>>728998834
For me poe 1 gave me the same feels as planescape torment did back in the day. If you "play" it as a choose your own adventure novel rather than d&d you will find the experience much more engaging.

>>728997834
The intro is really fucking long, once you start going from battle to battle it gets a lot better.

>>729001521
Am I crazy or didn't the pillars guys do a planescape torment spiritual successor? What happened with that?

>>729015514
tides of numenera?

>>729015245
Is that more optimal than just using the oil spell and fireball/flaring it? One of the starting classes starts with flare and oilspill.

>>729015514
I can't remember if it was them, by tides of numeneria (or whatever it was called) was pretty ass.

Pathfinder's time limit and kingdom management ruined it. The crusader management sucked cockpenis in the second one too

>>729015616
>>729015656
Oh it was the wasteland 2/3 guys. I quite liked those games, wonder why it was bad

>>729015514
No, that was a crowdfunded project by InXile.

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>>729015678
>Pathfinder's time limit and kingdom management ruined it.
I turned it of and set crusader mode to auto. It changed my opinion of the game from shit to pretty alright.

>>729015678
Bro, disable the "rest until resupply" option or whatever it's called, otherwise you'd waste like a full day every time you want to take a nap. Just carry enough rations that you'll survive if basic hunting comes up dry.

>>729015678
>>729015789
Don't people swear by Wrath of the Righteous being excellent?

>>729015865
It's alright. If you're into autistic buildfaggotry, you'll probably love it.

>>729015865
The pathfinder franchise is infested with shills, moreso than in any other dnd setting. Just try to have a critical discussion about it on any forum and you will have people crawling out of the woodworks with excuses and strawmen.

>>729015865
it only having mostly positive on steam is a huge red flag, since crpg fans eat any half-decent shit up

>>728998119
fuck the scarecrow in the dick with a chainsaw

>>729016196
English reviews are very positive thoughever

>>729016140
To be fair, that's at least partially the fault of Pathfinder becoming the refuge of displaced threeaboos when WotC dropped support for their edition and switched to 4e. 3rd/3.5fags are severely autistic and extremely defensive.

>>728997834
Yes. It's beyond retarded that's larian and owlcat are considered "good" rpg developers. Dos1 has some good qualities, combat and elements interaction is fun to use. But the story and roleplay are nonexistent. Characters suck, choices are meaningless and the worst thing, there are clearly ways to play their games "right" and too many ways to play them wrong.
You are fucked if you don't have air and lightning magic, for example. And the sequel is beyond saving. I don't understand how can anyone who grew up on classic rpgs (and no, baldurs gate is not an rpg, is a tedious hack n slash with bad rp system) can play these and enjoy these half assed games.

>>728998814
It does. Too bad both are also not that good. Still I prefer poe over divinity or fucking awful bg3.

>>729016710
Name some good ones then.....
As bad as owlcat and Larian are, I can't think of any making games this decade that do it any better

>>729004246
The third one, divinity 2.5, is called bg3

>>729015789
if you disable the kangdom management then you miss out of important quests and loot

>>729015637
oh I didn't even know there was an oil spell

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man this game is actual garbage. Every boss fight is either alpha strike the boss with all the cheese you have or he walks up and does some cheap aoe CC and then you get fucked without being able to move

>>729015865
I think the writing in it is awful which ruins it for me sadly

>>728997834
We tried to warn you, anon. Larian games are trash. Too easy and with quirk chungus writing to boot.

>>729019607
t. Angry and bitter Sacred fan still not over what happened

>>729019075
the game literally has skills that increase your cc resists dipshit

>>728998550
More RPG than most ARPGs. Forced to be a Diablo-clone, but devs clearly wanted to make Baldur's Gate.

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>>728997834
Should I play the first game or the second one as my first CRPG? It's very cheap right now surely can't be that bad

>>729020424
second one 100%

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>>728998814
Didn't we already go through this 8 years ago? Original Sin 2 mogged Deadfire so badly, that Sawyer has been able to do nothing but lick Swen's sweaty balls. The Larian schizos were borne out of those threads.

>>729019075
Yeah both OS games have retarded issues with alpha strike
Second is even worse because of armor, strip armor and the foe is essentially dead

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>>729020510
It was kind of funny.

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>>728997834
It's puzzling that people dislike fantasy comedy so much. Larian games always reminded me of Robert Asprin, Terry Pratchett or Harry Harrison books. I find them to be witty and authentic. All their games feel quite related in spirit and style despite loose world building and genre shifts.

>>728998550
resurrect the first dragon rider you meet, it makes the game piss easy

>>729020724
>now
The shift in tone for DOS2 was as the direct result of player feedback to DOS1's tone

>>728997834
Yeah.
>Sis and I prepare for a "legendary coop experience"
>Launch the game
>Turn based combat
Lmao, thank Gaben for refunds

>>729015318
>If you "play" it as a choose your own adventure novel rather than d&d
what does this even mean

>>728997834
Yeah this game fucks, and yes sometimes even in the ass

>>729019075
Meanwhile, in every other dogshit crpg people glaze
>Oh shit, there's a door
>F5
>Oh shit, there's an Owlbear behind it
>F8
>Bear's Grace Owl's Eyesight Eagle's Cunning Barkskin Divine Flavor Bless Insight Mage Armor Greater Mage Armor Ultimate Mage Armor Conjure Badger Aids Divine Weapon Blackshaft Haste Tender's Transformation Web

>>729020643
Show a little fucking respect. That man killed himself after playing POE2. Not so funny now is it?

>>729020643
I actually wanted to get PoE once but then I saw the pretty fish screenshot and bailed out...

>>729019075
>he walks up and does some cheap aoe CC
Funny part I know which boss you're talking about and he's literally meant to be a gut punch for newbies so they get filtered.

Takes balls to make the dark lord your first act end boss.

>>729017371
>important quests
Afaik it's only a couple of smaller sidequests

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where can you find a rope in this gay game??

>>729021000
If you go into the game more as an interactive story game rather than a mechanics game, as in you focus on the narrative rather than the dnd gameplay mechanics.

>>729021814
Combine string

>>729020643
Lol. Do you have screenshots of the spam posts about "kiddinity writing"? Something like "rawr :3".

>>729021814
I don’t think I crafted a single thing in either game now think about it.

>>729020724
Yeah, I always liked Larian's tone in their games. They understood that games were supposed to be fun. Divinity 2 and Original Sin 1 had somber moments, but also plenty of humour. DOS2 and BG3 toned down a lot of the humour, but thankfully they didn't get completely rid of it. Stuff like the cows in act 2.

>>728999715
That would be every bioware game. Games made by trannies for trannies. Their storytelling is just horrible.

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>>729021465
The first game's actually not too bad, you might like it. The second one, though? Really not a fan.

>>729003703
It does start unbearably quippy but it gets more serious the further you go and gets pretty serious in the last act. And that final mission is excellent after they reworked it for the enchanced edition.
If anything, I'd complain about how Larians idea of making difficult bossess is giving them immunity for all your disables and a bunch of overpowered cc skills so in some cases you can't beat them without savescumming (or loading a save from 2-3 hours before and stacking on scrolls and grenades but even then It can be impossible with bad rng)
Outside of that I loved how many different interactions for minor stuff there are and how you can impact the plot with your actions in a way that it's both significant and not shoved in your face, also forcing the player to think outside the box and try to break the game, both OS games should be counted as immersive sims

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>>729022102
What do you have against Jade Empire, anon?

>>728999715
>sloppily made wojack

Is D2OS interesting, creative, original, or even particularly great?
No
But it's smooth as hell, and that counts for something

yup
its pretty fun to see how stupid the plot gets

>>728997834
You decided to play it as well because of the 2025 Divinity announcement?

DOS use of stealth, untethered characters, dialog checks between same party members, use of physics, game objects and elemental ground was extremely interesting, creative, original for CRPG. I was very impressed when I first played it and loved breaking and experimenting.

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I might be the only person on Earth upset that the new divinity is a turn-based crpg
The arpg genre needs competition, a real kick in the ass.
A Sacred/Divinity-type ARPG done by public darlings would not only create a new watermark for the 2020s, it would tell everyone else to stop fucking about.

>>729023063
diabloclones are horrendous dogshit and im glad itll be a dead genre by the end of the decade

It's a struggle to play through DOS 1. They were trying a bunch of shit to see how well they could get it to work (created with an assumed co-op playthrough) that didn't necessarily work great, but with everything improving with each iteration (DOS -> DOS2 -> BG3).

Very interested in what Divinity ends up looking like

>>729022852
It's something of a constant in larian's games, beyond divinity also has you throwing shit around, using teleporting pyramids and solving encounters in creative ways (although in BD case you're often railroded into solution while OS leaves you with options)

>>729023063
Only if they wanted to make it that way.
Divine Divinity and those games were diabloclones because the publishers made them, their hearts weren't entirely in it.
Would love to see them take another stab at it, but not if there's no interest on their end.

>>729023063
The genre has changed so much from the Divine Divinity days, I don’t think it’d be that successful. The best you’d get is an action adventure like Witcher 3.
I think they realized their sci fi game would work better to experiment with action since shooting guns feels so natural to the modern gamer.

>>729023063
When did we stop calling diablo-likes hack and slashes and started with the arpg nonsense? Arpgs are games like darksouls, mass effect etc

>>729023396
idk, I don't make the rules
You're not wrong though

>>729023063
I mean, there's stuff like Path of Exile 2, Titan Quest 2, and Diablo is still getting shit despite its godawful first update. Feels like there's not a lot of room in that market at the moment.

>>729023232
it wont be a crpg, for starters

>>729023063
ARPGs are dogshi,t and there is a reason why they are all skinner-box slot-machine faggotry, because they wouldn't have content otherwise that will keep people engaged.

>>729023236
I hope teleporter pyramids return in Divinity.

>>729023232
Them talking about improvements to their engine and increase in scope makes me very interested. DOS2 has some of my favorite combat ever so if they combine that with better qol and greater depth of the game world this could be my favorite game ever.

>>728997834
Yo, OP is fucking gay

>>729022302
i miss when game let you be a gigachad

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>>729023063
Diablotards only want to max their dopamine influx by mindless clicking and POGfacing when the red trinket drops, Divine Divinity actually tried to introduce roleplaying elements like stealing from merchants, going to prison, branching quests etc. and it was still dragged down by the bad dungeons and uninteresting builds. I'd rather they make either an isometric or third person cRPG.

>>729023063
ARPG are tainted by mega baster,endgame grinding mentality these days. They are no longer CRPGs that use action and fast paced loot drops to guide you through adventure, like original diablo, divine divinity or something like Sacred did. Everyone expects loot filters, build autism, mechanics ec.
Something closer to Divinity 2 Ego Draconis could be one tho, I'm a bit disappointed it's turn based again too.

>>729023549
This is the era of a womyn/transwomyn chud! Your role as a m*n is to be the comedy relief and be the stupid next to WOMYN.

>>729023664
Maybe its for the better, modern ego draconis would probably just be the witcher 3 clone.

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>>729023549
One of the Kingmaker DLCs lets you marry twin tieflings. It's probably the best romance in the game, not to mention Kineticist can be stupidly powerful when built right.

>>728997834
The issue with these types of games is the excessive amount of USELESS LORE DUMP that is put on the player. Games like tyranny have this problem too.

NO i do not care about a random bunch of gods that died 300 years ago and have zero impact on the current story

NO I will not read your useless bookslop wall of self jerk-off

>>729024518
You don't have to, it's just there for people really into the story and world and characters.
Like I played nuPrey this year. Overarching story with Alex and Morgan? Not great. The world and the people in it? Absolutely god damn gorgeous. I listened to every tape, I explored every nook, because not only was the concept interesting, a space station thrown into bloody violent chaos is something I'm into

>>728997834
I liked it up until a mine with some invulnerable knights that you have to flee from or sneak by them. I don't do that shit.

>>729024868
I thought that was neat, okay sneaking itself is weird and clunky but it's cool that they incorporated enemies from their lore with their mechanics unaltered. Later on you get a skill that lets you get rid of their invincibility and even later on you can just one shot them

>>728997834
I'm actually replaying it as we speak. And it is worse than I remembered.
Worth playing, if you're starved for crpg's, but that's about it.

>>729025914
It's more of straight up rpg as in pnp wannabe than crpg really, I don't think the devs ever wanted it to be crpg

>>729001660
the first one is good.
the second one is pozzed garbo

>>728997834
I don't even remember the story. I know that we fought a dragon as the last boss, but i don't remember why and what the dragon was.

>>729026220
Basically alduin

>>729026316
But weren't we hunting some Witch or something at the start?

>>729001685
What do you mean you liked awoved? It had completely insufferable characters and writing

>>729015865
Yes. It's probably my all time favourite game. But I'd never play it if I could mod out the shitty mini games.

>>729026220
It's the embodiment of the end of existence. Back in the day, a couple of heroes sealed it in a box, but some dumb bitch opened the box and has spent the past God-knows-how-long fighting it. In the end, you have to put it back in the box.

>>729026189
Why is the first one good?

>>729026351
Yeah and she decided to side with alduin to end all creation because her life was hard
But you can beat her up and instead of killing her forcibly fuse her with her sister and you will get a summoner who changes sides like every three turns depending on which sister is in control at the moment
Also if you lose you get this unique end game screen
youtube.com/watch?v=4uK9rNO8rRI

>>729001660
First one is good if you enjoy the world
Second one if you enjoy watching a trainwreck and how much they were seething with DOS2 by adding shit no one asked like romance written horribly that goes nowhere because they sequel bait again and voice acting, instead of polishing the game.

>>728997834
Unrelated questions but WHY are there like only three or four first person fantasy rpgs

>>729026852
Because first person generally sucks dick for RPGs.

>>729024868
>>729025587
I like that in both DOS games you can tell the devs were trying to think of ways to make encounters unique and interesting with the mechanics they have.

>>729026852
I want another game like Wizardry 8

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>>729026852
Bro, one of the earliest fantasy RPGs and all of its sequels are played in first person.

The original is fine
The sequel with its GOD AWFUL armor system is not
I've never seen a mechanic backfire this badly. I kinda get what they wanted to do, they wanted to remove RNG, but this was NOT the way to do it. And RNG isn't even something that needs removing to begin with.
The armor system is the cause of some absolute dog shit consequences, like heavily encouraging you to stack one damage type, encouraging stun locking, and massively limiting build variety in a class-less game where build variety is supposed to be the entire point of replaying it.

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>>729027302
Same. It's too bad that the Japanese apparently weren't big fans of the Dark Savant trilogy. They'd rather just replay Wizardry V over and over again, maybe with some of the extra classes or races added from the later games.

>>728997834
It's better than both DOS2 and BG3

>>729027538
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1953266629

>>729027694
Too late. I already played it. I'm not gonna play it again.

>>729014634
>>"YOU'RE THE SUPER SPECIAL CHOSEN ONE"
And that's a good thing. A simple hero's journey is much better than most pretentious modern garbage we have today

>>729027538
It’s not that bad
And yeah, BG3 proved to me that working on removing RNG was an admirable goal for Larian. Whatever annoyances the armor system has is nothing compared to a useless turn or a minimum damage roll.

I like the interactive worlds full of detail they make but cant get fully into any of their games dude to boring combat systems and awful marvel writing. Hope Divinity is an action RPG with a more serious tone and zero le sex if possible

>>729028136
Gayfaggot also nigger

>>729028027
Shit opinion.
RNG brings much needed variance that stops combat from devolving into a puzzle.

The armor system is god aweful. Truly one of the worst designs I've ever seen in gaming in practice. It completely nukes build variety. The only thing that matters is damage, damage, and damage. If you're not doing a full mono damage type party you're just gimping yourself. Tanks and healers are pretty much useless because enemies damage is so high that they can reliably nuke through your armor and keep your permastunned. Your only real option is just nuking key targets as hard as you can.

Baldur's Gate 3 allows for way more creativity and fun in combat. Sure it has some cheese shit like Hunger of Hadar + Hailstorm, but there are also tonnes of other things you can do. And having a couple of stupidly OP options and a bunch of other viable ones is way better than 1 meta strat and everything else being shit you only do for challenge runs or "proving" that it's possible.

>Finished BG3 and both sins
what's the next best game, Pillars?

>>729028638
You could try Tyranny. Some people like it more than Pillars.

>>729028792
is it turn based though?

>>729028551
It’s not that bad. I dislike puzzle design too, but DOS2 proved to me you could adhere to RPG principles while still not stumbling into tabletop pitfalls like useless turns. And now you have games like Draw Steel showing you can do away with it in tabletop too.
Maybe I could see this point if you’re a melee player or something, though I think even then DOS2 provides a lot more variety and interesting tactics than BG3. But I played DOS2 as an elementalist spellcaster and it was one of the best gaming experiences in my life, moving from that to a clunky outdated vancian system in BG3 just sucked. I totally get what they mean in interviews how it’s better designing a system for an actual game.

>Let's make every single NPC in the game have a voiced sentence they speak continuously without any pause, over and over and over again.
>Okay
Genuinely, what the actual fuck were they thinking?

>>729028927
No. But neither is pillars.

>>729028638
Pathfinder: wotr if you like build autism and corny high fantasy. Wasteland 3 if you want more tb tactical combat and some decent choices along the way. BG2 is very good, but completely different from BG3. Underrail is great but some people don't like the visuals

>>729028927
No, it's RTWP. If that's a dealbreaker, then yeah, stick with Pillars - apparently the first game finally got an "official" turn-based mode a little while ago, though I could swear there was a mod that basically backported 2's turn-based mode to it.

>>729029054
Well both are gonna have turn based modes very soon.

>>729029054
It is, actually - they added a turn-based mode to the first game in November. Or at least, a public beta version with a turn-based mode.

>>728998550
It's really good and does a lot of ambitious things for it's time but it's also flawed and really hard if you don't know what you are doing. The game also blueball you at a certain point by killing the only shopkeeper you know off and making you hunt a different in a location you would have zero knowledge of for a first time playthrough right after you finished a dungeon too. I fucking hate that shit. Any story or lore a game throws at me when I'm in the middle of looking to sell off my loot I just automatically skip through and ignore. It's such a retarded thing to do in a Diablo clone

>>729026852
there isnt a single game with good first person melee combat

>>729028551
You're exaggerating way too much, one damage type parties are only optimal in the sense that they will make you finish encounters two or three turns earlier than split parties but it's not like it's only possible to beat the game with one damage type, split damage also doesn't make the game more difficult
You don't need to minmax in original sin 2

>>729029059
what about pathfinder kingmaker?

>>728997834
But are there any hot women? This is very important for me.

>>728998550
The perspective tilt is absolute cancer. Having walls blocking your line of sight constantly the way this game does has to be the most retarded design choice ever made in an ARPG. Which, incidentally, is a design trend that has followed Larian around ever since. The DOS games are like this as well; your line of sight constantly blocked by random terrain bullshit. BG3 is pretty fucking bad at this too.

>>729029453
Still build autism and corny high fantasy, though it's homier than WotR, if that makes any sense.

>>729029059
Is Wasteland 3 actually good? I swear I've read nothing but mixed to negative posts about it

>>729028941
I can only imagine you were playing on easy if you had an opinion like that.

Physical damage eventually becomes better than magical damage. The numbers are simply higher. Max out warfare, max out a weapon, and put the remaining points in skill you need for your abilities. Then put the rest in polymorph if you're not doing lone wolf.

But that isn't the problem. The problem is that you're kinda forced to make your entire team the same damage type or you're just cucking yourself. If you have 2 magic damage guys and 2 physical damage guys you'll take twice as long to kill/stun an enemy.

>useless turns
You have ADHD? A turn isn't "useless" because you couldn't execute your deterministic plan. You've got to adapt to the situation.

>>729029175
>split damage also doesn't make the game more difficult
>one damage type parties are only optimal in the sense that they will make you finish encounters two or three turns earlier than split parties

Good job proving yourself wrong. Mixed damage is blatantly cucking yourself. It is very obviously not optimal. Not even in some min-maxy way, but just in a way that any random player will discover. If you split your party you now have to go through double the health bars and it takes longer before you're allowed to stun. This isn't rocket science.

>>729029453
i didn't like it so I cant recommend it

>>729029563
it's not top tier, but imo neither are d:os and d:os2. I mentioned it because it's pretty similar to the d:os games: rpg, tb combat, visuals, decent choice & consequence, and even writing (violent setting with humor sprinkled in)

>>729029592
I did my first play through on classic, second play through on tactician. It doesn’t matter that magic is weaker than physical, the way the game was designed made it more fun than any other game I’ve played.
Also just missing will never feel good, ever, unless it’s a result of a tactical mistake on the player’s part. There’s really no good reason to have it, there’s other ways to “add variety” and make the player adapt.

>>728997834
Like 90% of the game is a shitty joke because the writers are too cool to take anything seriously and would actually die if they attempted to.
I would have said it's a r****t the RPG series, but apparently God's chosen people get angry when you name that website now and flag the post as spam.

>>729015318
I played the game on launch. It went like this; tutorial section was great. Then they kill off all the characters I'd sort of started to care about to replace them with insane trannies and plots about some autist killing the gods for reasons that would make all but the biggest fedoralord cringe with how stupid it is. I still had a lot of goodwill for it over the tutorial at this point, so I initially wasn't too bothered, but all that goodwill was pissed away by the backer NPCs. I didn't realize that they were backer NPCs, so I was going around trying to talk to them and getting hit with all these huge walls of inane dribble that literally trained me to ignore the game's writing. This made me start skimming everything, which made the story so confusing to follow that I didn't even realize what was happening for like the first third, until I realized that the game had two very distinct types on content: Actual, full-on just backer-generated SPAM, and the game's actual writing. At this point I was so mad at them for adding all this shit to the game that not even the - what could otherwise have been tolerable - parts were fun anymore. Ended up hating all the characters, hating the story, hating the setting and the aesthetic (which, to be fair, is actually garbage), and hating the developers, and hating Sawyer personally for overseeing this project and putting it out in this state and daring not to be ashamed of it. Genuinely awful game, only good part was the tutorial.

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Any essential mods for DOS1 (like 2 has that armour overhaul)?

>>729030006
>some autist killing the gods
shit, I meant, some retards CREATING the gods is what I meant to say. my brain automatically edited the plot to one that made more sense in my head because the plot of them creating gods because humans need gods and then destroying their own civilization to hide the secret, was so stupid my recall blocked it out for me until I red what I wrote

>>728997834
>attempt to recruit third party member, a wizard
>his literal only request is "don't make any deals with demons"
>say "yeah that sounds reasonable, c'mon in"
>fuckass second character says HOLD ON A MINUTE, DEMONS ARE KINDA COOL ACTUALLY
>have to do the stupid fucking rock paper scissors persuasion minigame
>lose because it's sheer chance
>not allowed to recruit the wizard
yeah the game fucking sucks and i'm shocked that nobody else seems to have this issue with it

>>729023063
>sacred as an example of a good ARPG
lol, come on man. it's terrible even by grind RPG standards.

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>>729029953
I hear you. I went with weapon and shield in DOS2 largely because weapon ranks boosted accuracy in addition to damage - I had a buddy who played through the game with dual daggers, and he'd get very upset when he popped some big adrenaline combo only to completely whiff it. Something to be said for consistency beating potential.

>>729030161
They played with a second person or just reloaded their save. It’s not something big enough to go “game sucks!” over.

>>729029592
Not all enemies are the same, the casters/rangers always have lower physical and are the most important to take down first. The fodder has higher physical and lower magic so you can CC them with your casters better

>>729030161
you can turn this off bro

>>729030161
The Enhanced Edition actually jokes about that. A group is trying to decide who'll risk going into a mined building, and the leader decides to use rock-paper-scissors. One of the guys immediately complains about using a children's game to make life-or-death decisions - and immediately loses and is sent to almost certain death.

>>729022045
Deprived yourself of the best items in the game in dos1 that way.

>>729030687
Crafting tenebrium weapons completely changed the game for me.

>>729029953
ADHD shitter confirmed
I'm happy that Baldur's Gate 3's overwhelming success proved that RNG is superior to deterministic combat and that the majority of players prefer the former over the latter. I rarely ever hear anyone seriously complain about RNG (especially because there are many spells and strategies that are guaranteed to work), but I know many people who despised the armor system of divinity as much as I do. Most people can accept that occasionally their plans don't work and won't throw the controller at the wall because the dice roll wasn't in their favor.
Hopefully Larian will drop the garbage armor system in the new Divinity.

>>729030362
None of that matters. Just go full physical and nuke the important dudes and then finish off the fodder. If you can't get to the important dudes, then just nuke the fodder with physical, because 4 guys dealing momo-physical against a higher armor dudes is still better than 2 guys doing physical and 2 guys doing magical.

I can't think of a single fight in the game that actually gets easier by splitting damage.

>>729022045
You realize you could have made yourself completely immune to slipping on ice surfaces in both games by adding nails to your boots?

I beat this last week, and just did not have a good time. OS2 better be a big step up from it.

>>728998814
how badly do they mog larianslop I'm looking for more in the same genre and they're on sale in the steam winter sale
I'm a BG3bab pls no bully

>>729030751
Great calm and collected arguments bro. I’m just glad the devs agree with me, why do you think they added Karmic Die to BG3? Why do you think they constantly complain about adapting tabletop mechanics in interviews?
I like BG3’s gameplay a lot, they did the best they could, but they were working with a fundamentally shitty system.

>>729030751
>Hopefully Larian will drop the garbage armor system in the new Divinity.
You can be pretty sure they'll never implement that system again. Sven himself called it broken in a GDC talk a few years ago, and mentioned they never should've shipped the game with it.

>>728997834
I don’t know why, this should be close to DOS2, and yet my friends and I can’t even leave the first city out of boredom.
We tore DOS2 apart in a few weeks…

>>728998550
It’s…charming. It’s like Diablo 1 with worse gameplay, but more interesting quests.
I’m kinda liking it.

Anyway talking about divine divinity, is there a mod for borderless mode?

>>729030987
Be prepared to be disappointed, pretty much nothing else in the RPG space “mogs” Larian games, or rather they emphasize different things.
The world is much less interactive and the combat is a lot drier, but you still might find fun in it. They are games to play while waiting for the next Larian RPG.

>>729031196
Lmao no

>>729031210
Thank fuck, at least they learned something from it. The armor system is undoubtedly one of the biggest experimental failures ever put in a game.

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>>728997834
I was just about to buy this alongside dos2
was only really interested the second game
guess I'm skipping it then

>>729031309
>Lmao no
to what? Karmic Dice existing? you can check they put it into the game.
to my other claims? sorry to burst your bubble, but read swen’s latest interviews. he literally says that DOS2 is a better game than BG3 and he’s glad to be designing a combat system for a videogame rather than a tabletop game.

>>729030741
>>729030687
Do I need to invest points in blacksmithing or crafting (is there even crafting stat?) to make them? Do I just take recipes off the wiki? The only thing I crafted in the whole game was the weresheep set because I was playing lone wolf and didn't want to spread my points too thin
Also fuck larian for making me craft a tenebrium weapon to destroy that one bloodstone
And fuck them for making pyromancy so weak late game, hailstorm otks everything and meteors often won't take more than half of hp bar off fire prone enemies
And finally fuck them for gimping sneak so much in EE

>>729031506
Idk how you built your guy wrong, my meteor storms were destroying people.
Als generally each of your party members should specialize in one civil skill.

>>729030987
other modern crpgs are really mid at best
this is why bg3 is so loved, because there is really nothing else on that quality released in the last 20 years
DAO is the only one coming close

>>729028997
>Smells worse then a dozen rotten eggs dropped in a vat of vinegar

>>729031420
Lmao no to his sunk cost fallacy

>>729030751
>I'm happy that Baldur's Gate 3's overwhelming success proved that RNG is superior to deterministic combat
Baldurs Gate 3 success proved that good romanceslop is necessary for attracting female players and that interactivity is fun as fuck, nobody liked the shitty two action turn system.

>>729031707
dos2 isnt far off from bg3, really it just doesnt have animated cutscenes and companions banging each other

>>729031742
>to his sunk cost fallacy
where?

>>729031586
He was a mage and I dumped everything in int for him, had like 23 total with gear bonuses, I know you can go as high as 45 but surely that's not necessary

>>728997834
I prefered it to DOS2 in a weird way, but that might be because I prefer the duo dynamic. I set my partner on schizo AI so it was fun having to wrangle the retard, lots of memorable moments where it didn't go my way.
>encourage the fucker to steal a fish, I disagree but don't bother arguing
>he get caught, I refuse to get him in trouble because it's our fault
>I fail the argument and suddenly everyone is giving me shit for encouraging and backstabbing him
Also the BGM was better, but I think the composer died during or after that game.

>>729031834
You can bang your companions in DOS2, though. You can also have sex with a lizard prostitute, or if you're playing the Red Prince, with the Red Princess.

>>729031845
He made divinity 2, it's his system. Even if he admits fully that the armor system is shit (which he did) he still has to believe that it's better than BG3. Because otherwise what did he spend all that time making his own system for?

>>729030051
>overhaul
Not overhaul nerf. You're cheating and making the game easier because you're either too stupid or lazy to play it as intended.

>>728998550
THE SKELETON LORD IS RAPING MY BUSSY

>>729031707
Honestly none of the dragon age games are good, they are arpgs pretending to be crpgs, on top of that bioware writting is just very basic, they never learned to write well, only well for for a videogame back when the standars was WWII shooters

>>729031415
Did the same because there were both on sale as a bundle. I liked dos1 but couldn't finish dos2. I think playing bg3 first made me expect dos2 to have 3d movement unlike dos1 so I was a bit disappointed.

>>729032073
I think it’s more likely he just prefers the design principles of DOS2 than BG3, given all the finagling Larian had to do to make 5e functional.

>>729032170
what do you mean by 3d movement? dos2 has a lot of vertical mobility skills.

>>729032420
Sure, making your own system that's designed for a computer is probably easier and more elegant behind the scenes. But claiming that DOS2 is a better experience for the players is just cope. Which is also something he seems to know since he did admit that the armor system just is shit, and that's not some tiny thing you can just scrub under the rug.

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Genuine question for those that have played dos1.
Did you enjoy the loredump parts with all the gods and multiverse shit? I think its atrocious.
The game starts off interesting with the murder mystery thing going on than it lore dumps its ass off about obscure marvel shit I dont think anyone cares about.
Its the reason why I like elder scrolls shit and earlier fallout games, I remember in an interview todd was saying he just can't relate with high fantasy shit, and prefers to take a more grounded realistic approach with his games. Maybe im just a Tolkien GoT fag though idk

>>729032903
>I remember in an interview todd was saying he just can't relate with high fantasy shit
lore dumping all the mythology and cosmology in the first few hours of a game is retarded, like how do I even klnow if I care about this world enough to remember all this slop

>>729032903
yeah it's pretty bad. I like the game despite its terrible setting (and plot), not because of it

>>729033064
Not only that but only a small handful of people will care about that stuff in the first place.
In most rpgs and immersive Sims devs place that shit in optional books and audio diaries for the 5% of lore fanatic people

>>729032903
I skipped all the parts relating to the homestead in the beginning though it did make me invested later on anyway when I unblocked the full tapestry story
I also didn't care about braccus rex in the beginning until after I beat the game and wanted to learn more about divinity lore since it seems pretty interesting from the bits I gleamed from the game, unfortunately there is no source like wiki or forum on the internet, it's all gameplay discussion

>>728998814
Boring games tbqh

>>729032903
I didn't dislike it. But I felt it was too much, and difficult to keep a track on. Loredumps makes it harder to focus on the story itself.
That's what makes the TES setting good. It has all the high fantasy and lore in the game, but it's more there as a background, wheras in most games, DoS included, they dump everything on you at once.

are the old divinity crpg worth playing or should I skip to divinity 2

>>729016891
BG3 is too D&D mechanically. DivOS works on a very different skill and action point system.

>>729033696
after buying the anthologgy
you should skip them, just watch a recap on youtube
they are not bad but they feel old

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>>729033696
divinity 2 is more similar to the witcher than any other game in the series, dragon commander is clunky but interesting, divine and beyond are worth giving a try if you want to play 2 since they (and it seems divinity 3 too) are all parts of the same story and share characters

>>728997834
2nd one is a lot better though

>>729034106
They are different enough that it's worth to check both games, you might like both, only one of them or neither for different reasons

>>729034058
put a gunpowder barrel next to it and blow it up

>>729034071
The game part of dragon commander is not very good and the VN part is political allegory so heavy handed it just comes off as silly.
Though I suppose skellington being fundies who want to ban contraception and elves being pro animal rights but get mad if you ban kosher slaughter is kinda funny even if it was unintentional.

>>729034463
I thought it was funny how you can legalize predatory ad campaigns for the tobacco industry, up to and including "educational" programs in schools about how to smoke. It's also probably the single best policy track for making money, even if population growth takes a hit.

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>>729034905
I liked seeing Shazam troons go crazy when the Bear stickie happened :3

>>728997834
Something something Tenscent

>>729032496
I meant like in bg3 where you can jump on buildings. Movement in DOS2 still felt restricted on a 2d grid even if it's 3d

>>729034905
For some reason or another, /v/ attracts weirdos so bored, so absolutely devoid of anything to do in a day, that they will latch onto a random game that's shown up on the catalogue more than once and dedicate themselves to slandering it incessantly whenever it appears. Sometimes they do this in "defense" of a similar game that they like, sometimes they do it purely out of simian hate. Either way, it's perfectly silly.

>>728999715
this, anytime I shat on this game prior to BG3 it still drew seething retards that slurp up anything nu-crpg

>>729032903
>grounded realistic
You dumb nigger, this is a fantasy world, it is grounded in its own reality to have god shit happening around. Especially because the source is such a corrupting power.
As far my own 1st playthrough rp went, I was sent to investigate some murder and kill sourcenigger and ever since I been there I been stuck unfucking shit all around but it's fine since I could smell sourcesaucefuckery all over the place. Meeting gods or finding out I'm an half-god doesn't matter, sourceniggers will die either way

>>729035486
It's not a crpg for fucks sake

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>>728997834
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>>728997834
the only good divinity game

>>729032548
It certainly was a better system. I had more fun turn to turn playing DOS2 than BG3. Some armor annoyances is a lot more tolerable than shitty useless turns and insane damage variance.

>>729032903
Holy shit I don’t even disagree with you but why do you guys have to put marvel in front of every complaint you have even when it doesn’t make sense, it just makes it hard to agree with you.

>>729034332
uuuuh wrong gayme?!?!

>>729036401
oh lmao i didn't even realize. put two gunpowder barrels next to it and blow it up

>>729036370
He probably doesn't know himself why or what "marvel" even is, it's just a word that means something is bad to them. Same with fags randomly calling things pretentious or edgy when these words don't apply in the slightest.
some "people" instead of using language, use prepackaged phrases and buzzwords

>>729015382
Seriously the best mod anyone can install is the mod to skip the prison island. You save hours of pointless shit.

>>728997834
I'm doing my first playthrough and it's a bit rough.
The lore dumps have been a bit much. More show, less tell.
Some of the combat is a bit buggy, targeting and character pathing.
They should have had skill resets available after the first act.

>>729036901
But fort joy is the best part of the game, also that anon was talking about os1 not os2

>>728997834
reddit genre

>>728997834
I played it for like 20 hours before giving up. I thought it was just boring as hell. I remember the combat being okay, had a lot of fun spamming charm arrows but besides that I didnt really dig the world building or the story.
>>729037320
>The lore dumps have been a bit much. More show, less tell.
Yeah I remember that being a big turn-off for me as well

>>728997834
Other than baldur's gate and divinity I've never touched a crpg
any other standouts in the genre? there are a lot of them on discount in steam atm

>>729037320
I’ve always felt like Larian are a company that’s bad at macro storytelling but great at quest design and micro story writing.
Closest they got to a good full game plot was DOS2 and even that is a lot of generic chosen one shit and it takes a lot of knowledge about lore the game doesn’t bother to tell you about to find any emotion or meaning from it.
Just like how “Down by the River” used to make sense with BG3’s old plot, “Divine’s Lament” has a lot of hidden meaning in it, but it’s never played in game.
https://youtu.be/FJP-pbdffTk?si=lsk9fQfXhoP7llkm

>>729038836
What do you like about divinity? It’s kinda hard to recommend standouts because it’s still a bit of a “you take what you can get” genre.

>>729038836
literally anything by bioware before ~2010

>>729038836
Disco Elysium, you'll hardly find better writing in all of vidya

>>729040814
visual novels arent crpgs

>>729041752
I've heard same stupid argument about planescape torment over the years. the essence or an crpg game is ROLE playing, not dnd dice slop.

>>729041927
planescape has actual gameplay and combat, albeit shitty

>>728997834
wrong lol

>>729022102
>if i say that these games with amazing, universally praised storytelling have bad storytelling, actually, i will seem unique

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>>728998550
>first game has a pretty angel woman on cover
>latest game's first trailer is about a beastiality orgy while an old man graphically burns to death.
Wuh happen???

>>729042489
art imitates life

>>728997834
Holy filtered

>pour paint on the ground, the game

>>729042489
The first game is about the rise of the divine
The new game is about the invasion of demons
Seems pretty obvious to me.

>>728997834
Cyseal part shits on everything in BG3

>>729023063
Diablo-style ARPGs just seem like the most dogshit slop genre imaginable, basically a precursor to modern gacha trash. Just a literal slot machine taped over the most shallow mind-numbing gameplay possible.

Maybe I'm being unfair but that's certainly the impression they give me, thank God Larian abandoned them and I hope they never go back.

>>728997834
Bought this and got filtered by the starting character creation.

They want me to do my rpg thing when I don't even understand how the game works?

>>728998550
some bosses will rip your ass apart, if you're not ready

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>>729023063
It should've been the other type of ARPG. The eurojank kind.

>>729050915
Just read what things do. Generally you’ll want 1 melee tank 1 mage 1 rogue 1 ranger. You can make 2 and pick the other 2 as companions.
Thieving is really strong early game, steak everything not nailed down.