Apparently this shortage will last at least until 2029.Is 32 GB DDR5 RAM enough for gaming until then?Will game devs account for these massive shortages?
>>729004390anything less than 256gb is retarded, you will regret
>>729004390thank Sandfall for this
>>729004390I'm worried 96gb won't last until 2035+Project Genesis and Stargate are only the public ones these build outs will go on for decades and or centuries lol personal computers are dead
Incoming government bailouts when these chucklefucks can't pay for all this ram they are ordering on credit.
Me and my 16 GB can tank it.
>>729004390old game enjoyers literally always win.
>>729004390i hae 16gb ddr4 and i had no issue playing games that recently came out (including VR games)
>>729004390>Is 32 GB DDR5 RAM enough for gaming until then?probably, devs are going to optimise for the type of ram most gamers will be stuck with for the next 5 years
Why can't they just make enough RAM for everyone?
>>729004390>Eats 40% of global dram production for 4 years>Still doesn't know how many r's strawberry hasI bought 2x 16gb sticks last year after my old 2x 8gb were failing, so i have about 6+ more years to see this crash and burn before i have to worry about it.
>>729004475>Billionaire Larry Ellisonmeanwhile Oracle is drowning in debt, its last data center expansion got cancelled because no more venture capital wants to flush their money down this toilet.
>>729004390I lol because these threads have new games in mind but new games all fucking suck balls
I can't pay for rent. Oops, I'll just get a "le bailout" and conjure money out of thing air!
>>729004736you will own 8gb and be happy
just buy a ps2 for $50 and have access to more games than you could ever realistically get through in your life timethese corpos got people so fucked up they went back to buying vhs and cds fot their media
Once cloud gaming becomes the norm it's irrelevant how much RAM your system has.
>>729004390Why are they using AI to find the cure for cancer, or even less serious health issues like balding? Anything is better than using it for entertainment seriously
>>729004918I am happy with 64gb of DDR4
>>729005069Because treating ailments is more profitable than curing them
>>729005069How would they do that? Feed enough reddit posts into it until it hallucinates some bullshit?
>>729004736a characteristic of socialist economies is that you have money, but still can't buy anything you care about
https://files.catbox.moe/z3a4ho.mp4
>>729004785Playing double's abbo kit, tens of thousands of people don't depend on your success to feed their families, furthermore you getting evicted wouldn't threaten the stability of the economy et large.
>>729005069You can't expect that putting your hand into a box full of assorted words and taking a few of them out will somehow cure cancer
>>729004390chillin out there with my 16g ddr4, never needed more
>>729004736uhm sweatie they don't want to spend money to make more money long-term when they could spend less money to make less total money long-term but more short-term!
>>729004736They’re buying silicone wafers before they’re turned into ram and just letting them sit unused. It’s a great way (possibly illegal) to kill competition by denying Ai competition the parts they need, but it also destroys the whole market for gamers.
>>729004736because they are a monopolyit's in their interest to not make more than absolutely necessary because nobody else is there to outproduce and undercut them.
>>729005304capitalism is supposed to allow the best succeed, why, then, is it rewarding failure?
>>729005069They'd make so much money if they didn't censor video AI to make porn.
>>729004736They make less money doing that. Why do you think there is always a convenient event that raises RAM prices whenever they get too cheap?
>>729004390>Implying the shortage will last until 2029>When a handful of analysts are predicting an AI bubble pop/implosion happening next yearLah mao, these MSM mediafaggots are gonna fucking have egg on their face when the inevitable happens with the bubble implosion and I will do nothing but laugh at the AIfaggots.
>>729006052>Surely they won't be bailed out by taxpayers!Can't wait to see you claim the bubble is going to pop in 2027
>>729004736The entire point is that OpenAI wants to starve the competition of resources to become a monopoly, because with the current progress of AI models it's impossible to become a monopoly otherwise.This retarded pyramid scheme will keep going so long as investors are stupid enough to fall for this shit despite the clear signs that these stupid AI companies are never going to become profitable.
>>729004390>Is 32 GB DDR5 RAM enough for gaming until then?Yes>Will game devs account for these massive shortages?No, they're already making games that don't run well on top notch current hardware and this won't change any time soon, even crysis ran well on that year's hardware.
>>729005069It gets used in that way. Well if acknowledge that AI isn't actual artificial intelligence and the term is merely used as a buzzword.Machine learning itself is rather old, they worked on it even back in the 60s, and it does get used in medicine.Cancer detection being a very prominent example. They simply feed the program millions of CT scans of both healthy people and cancer patients to create a database.This can then be used to analyze any new scan for cancer signs and to give a prognosis. Iirc they have achieved something like 96% accuracy for prognosis now.
>>729006052the openAI bubble won't pop anytime soon, they are open about losing money until 2030 and they still need 200 billion for their current expansion plans. the US government fully backs them up in their plans
>>729006215This is even more retarded since the chinks are releasing their cheaper to run models for free out of spite.
>>729004636This. Just emulate or play older single-player games. Maybe the devs should start optimize their games. Played MGSV on ultra recently, and my mid-range PC didn't even break a sweat.
>>729006505>MGSVokay but what about good games?
>>729006536The graphics are good for an old game. That's what I am talking about.
Are graphic cards affected by this in any way? Should I upgrade my graphic cards now?
>>729006803nVidia is divesting from consumer gamer GPUs and pivoting towards AI Datacenters, so yea
>>729005069like what? the problem is that the kind of things you would expect an LLM to do has already been done. PCB manufacturers have been using AOI machines for decades, top end biochemistry is using a bunch of machines to bruteforce and compare drug variants. LLMs aren't any good at coming up with useful ideas either, they're fundamentally pretentious, fine for artistic creative works, mostly useless or inferior for concepts that require deep levels of thinking. sam altman has fooled people into believing LLMs are these magic blackboxes that can do anything
>>729006803ram and vram are made in the same factories using the same sand and kikeman bought that fucking sand before it was even baked into dies
>>729004390>Is 32 GB DDR5 RAM enough for gaming until then?no because soon you'll need 1tb of ram to play your latest tranny slop
>>729004390Wow right up until 2030 - that's odd
>>729007104Stop noticing
>>729004390>Guys this artificial shortage will last till arbitrary date when we are scared regulators will start sniffing aroundYeah no shit
>>729004778I think it's cause DC and wall street political/banker class are all so white collar ivy league and have never created or built a single material thing in their entire lives so they have no idea what it actually takes from the tech/engineering class to make stuff = economics becomes fantasy
>>729004390In other news, Trump's social media company is merging with a *checks notes* nuclear fusion company that's supposed to power all these data centers?
>>729004557Bailouts for the auto industry was because they provided a lot of jobs. There can’t be that many Indians writing openAI shit.
>>729006967>>729006905Ogey, time to futureproof a little.
>>729004736They know it's a bubble and they won't commit to build more fabs only to get caught with the pants down
>>729007213You can make up as many potentially affected jobs as you'd like to politicians and voters.
>>729007203i dont think you actually checked any notes. weird thing to say
>>729007150Can someone explain why regulators where on microsofts ass so much for buying activision which ended up being a complete nothing burger, but are completely absent for this move that fucks over the entire tech industry?
>>729004390By 2029 RAM prices will remain the same since these corpos will claim its the new normal pricing
The shortage will last until they realise nobody can use ChatGPT when nobody owns a computer
>>729007616I own a puter!
>>729007591which ones, there are quite a few?
>>729007616cant you use it on your phones?
>>729007523RAM companies run a cartel, they've been sued multiple times already yet nothing happened to them.It's funny how America can squeeze Taiwan into building factories stateside but their actual vassal Korea gets away with monopolistic RAM pricing.
You can thanks trump voters. Trump is investing in nuclear fusion to power those ai center built with american taxpayer money. This is the most corrupted thing some US president ever did.
>>729007213the problem is the politicians are all true believers in AI, the way they see it any amount of suffering it causes is worth it because they are convinced there's some sort of utopia at the end of it
>>729004390manufactured shortage btw
>Memory is finally at the point where it's profitable enough to justify it's manufacture in Western countries.>Taiwan
Jensen and the CEO techbros want to end personal computing starting with DIYersBy mid-2030s they will launch the first cloud gaming subscription model
>>729007523that was before the Trump crime syndicate was back in power
>>729007721>They are going to power the datacenters with something that doesn't make powerHuh
>>729007523Activision is a big military propaganda outlet and also politicians hate videogames
>>729007704Does it matter? They all seem to exploit us
>>729007721okay but isn't making nuclear power plants a good thing?
I used 8 gb for 10 years. Then 16 gb for 10 years. I just switched to 32 gb. I'll be fine into the 2030s.
>>729004390Let me guess, you need more?
>>729004736Short answer : There arent any enough Materials and workers
>>729004736>casual antisemitismVery classy, /v/.
>>729007765Taiwan is still rolling big in silicon manufacturing, especially since Nvidia is ordering billions upon billions from them every year. Nobody else has the established EUV infrastructure necessary to make current gen Nvidia/AMD chips yet.
>>729007813It is. But here's the thing: Trump is buying with american money all those useless AI data center for the sake of increasing electricity prices so that his investment is profitable.
>>729004390unless PS6 goes with 64gb of VRAM then 32gb RAM is still enough until the next generation of consoles releases
>>729007934>YetYeah.
>>729007523because indie game dev is literally the only free market left in this completely fake capitalistic system that is converting itself to feudalism?
>>729007854>linuxStopped reading right there.
>>729007616I think you are missing the point here. Wall street public trading and DC political class are the exact same group of interest. Steam is private and the Japanese and chinese game dev markets are more heathily growing while the USA game AAA market is dying right now - so if all the electronics hardware is made in asia and all the money from the games is made by private small devs and not corpo devs traded on wall street - and steam is private.... then are you seeing the big picture yet? Wall street doesn't get a cut from the industry nor do they have control over it's content if this does not change. They are trying to hoard all teh hardware to force you to stream your PC from the data center so they can still forcibly insert themselves into the process that they are currently being removed from
>>729007758it's a convenient excuse for all the labor problems which in reality is just the fact that everything is made more efficiently in Asia than it is in the west and we can't compete anymore - but in a democratic society who wants to tell the voters bad news? No one. Much easier to just lie about AI being a fantasy that will save everyone especially if it co-aligns will wall street ponzi schemes
>>729007767and if gaben dies tomorrow they will win - he is the only thing holding back the tech feudalism right now
>Read picture>Open thread>no GOOOLD? post
>>729008008just remember overtures to build a factory are not the same thing as factory actually producing hard to make fabs and not just the easier last gen fabs
>>729007523Because the new regulators merely bill you for the cut you're gonna be sending directly to Donnie
>>729004736stop with the antisemitic remarks
>>729008489The Gabecube will be the last frontier of PC gaming, DIY will be dead by 2030 and will only be for millionaires and billionairesEventually the Gabecube will be replaced with pay-as-you-go subscription modelsWant to play with a cloud rig with the latest AITX 300 series, AMD Aizen DDR7? Pay $300 a month pigAlso when Gabe kicks the bucket the suits on Steam will just sell to the highest bidder (enter Microshit, Amazon, Timmy with Tencent, Saudi Arabia, etc)
>>729008535The chinks managed to reverse engineer everything else, so given time i'm sure they will manage EUV too.Even if they are prone to spontaneously combust more often
>>729005069a patient cured is a customer lost
>>729008535I think the writing is on the wall at this point. The western world cannot simply offload everything to Asia and be "Ideas guys".
I think they will be aiming for the gabecube for the next little while.
>>729007523Trump gave AI a total free pass on regulation which is why big tech all flipped on the dems and backed him in 2020That and they really REALLY fucking hated Lina Khan for actually trying to do her job
This will do me until 2029 when they've finally realised AI can't do much more than summarise your emails and put useless artists out of work.
>>729004390>8gb or 12 of ramYou're fucked, work on your back log, play indie games, emulate, or buy console versions of bigger games. >16gb of ramYou'll manage, close some tabs and don't be afraid to use DLSS/FSR.>32gb of ram or moreYou're sitting pretty
>>729007523because the regulators are afraid that if they put brakes on it china is going to beat them so they give jewman a free pass
>>729009152whats the difference between ram and vram? cause I have 32gb of ram but only 8gb of vram
>>729009295vram is your GPU amount
>>729008424You're an idiot
>>729004636tbf nothing made in the past 15 or so years has been worth playing
>>729007758Just billionaires afraid of death desperate to find immortality. That's actually what all of this is about.
>>729005014It would already be a thing if the globe had South Korea-tier internet infrastructure.
>>729004390I’m glad I got 64GB DDR5 when I did. I’m sitting nice and cozy until 2030 or so probably
>>729009295VRAM is mainly for gaming or prompting with AI, RAM is for multitasking while you're doing those things, your web browsers and other programs use RAM instead of VRAM. VRAM is more important than RAM for vidya, it's why 16gb of RAM is fine if you have a decent GPU. Having 16gb of VRAM and 16gb of RAM would be better than 32gb of ram and 8gb of VRAM when it comes to playing games. If you want to use photoshop with 1,000 tabs open in chrome then RAM is more important.
>>729008817we aren't even doing the "ideas guys" part - every AAA gaming studio in USA is dying or doing poorly - EU and Japan have won game of the year for the last 8 years straight or something. China will catch up too.
>>729005190Is this made in AI
>>729009612Nobody gives a fuck about goty awards
>>729004390>Is 32 GB DDR5 RAM enough for gaming until then?Yes. 8gb was pretty standard for like a decade. 16 will be fine for a few more years and then 32 will be the norm for the next console cycle. I'm worried about RAM prices for productivity work, and availability of replacement parts. The scariest thing about all this is the push for the death of personal computing. You just know the jews are gunning for a world where people rent computing power by paying them a monthly subscription.
>>729009041Lina Khan is either an incompetent jeet or the fall jeet who made a big hubbub but ultimately didn't do shit
>>729009698You need to give praise to those in the industry.
>>729005864>why, then, is it rewarding failure?Because it's not real capitalism, unironically. It's a mixed system, the worst of both worlds.
>>729009041p sure trump wants to use ai to push automation to make the usa the manufacturing center of the world and displace china. ai labor is even cheaper than third world labor since they don't need to eat or sleep. the tariffs are just a way to get people to move their manufacturing here as well. the goal being to make the usa completely insular, i imagine.
>>729004636I won. I only play games on my Xbox 360 and even then I can always emulate. AAA GAMING WILL DIE!!!!
>>729008502Just for you, anon >>729004390
>>729007871Well maybe they should pay workers more money-oh but they wont, right?
>>729004736They aren't livestock, if there are plans to expand production it would still take years
>>729004736The US government colluded with major corporations to prevent the export of EUV lithography to china or they'd already have a dozen times the output of TSMC. Completely bipartisan too so all the people trying to make political hay about every little thing can't realistically blame the other side, it was whole government agreement.
Niggas forget the struggle of 8 so easily. Well you fucks better strap your belts, because it's coming.
I wonder if AI is ever going to fully leave. Will there be a point where every online slop generator goes offline because all the data centers have to shut down?
>>729007871If you actually believe that you are retarded and I have a bridge to sell you
I just want the bubble to pop but then I'm worried things will get even worse when we all have to bail out with those trillions they have wasted.
>>729009698it's reflective of the truth though - corporate america is dysfunctional as fuck - our education systems suck - and DEI/ESG that all of you leftists want to forget ever existing push it over the edge into total pure nightmare mode dysfunctional and now the only HR convenient way to fix it is to just wipe out entire companies cause our culture is so fucking weak we can't do anything else
>bought 32 GB RAM in early 2024 for 88€>the same sticks are now 490€Fucking hell, should've bought 64, then I could sell half of it now for a nice bonus
>>729010252No, there's going to be an AI economy that rips away everything they have better paying uses for than humans can pony up, include water, power, and real estate.
>>729005069>>729005158>>729005161>Read research article>"Zhang et al.">"Medicine problem, a meta analysis">"We crawled pubmed for [common clickbait keyword], returned 200 results">"50 of them agreed for thing, 50 of them agreed against thing. 100 said they wouldn't know and need more research">"Conclusions: Medicine problem research is important. We could not find conclusive evidence backing or against the problem. Meanwhile mainstream medicine approach is an important way to approach it.">"Conflicts of interest: Nuh-uh. Competing for grants, graduation requirements, buffing up my resume didn't influence this article at all">This is what AI is trained on
>>729010042>ai labor is even cheaper than third world labor since they don't need to eat or sleep.Meanwhile actually trying to use AI on a corpo level is one of the most expensive things ever, energy costs are tremendous, water requirements are insane, infrastructure costs for data centers are huge and you need paradigm levels of funding to then only lose money all the fucking time.Ai being cheaper than a random normal American is a joke.
>>729010304The good news is AI groups like open AI aren't mission critical and can fail without actually impacting production. Bad news is Jews will always bailout Jews at the expense of the goyim
>>729010042>ai labor is even cheaper than third world labor since they don't need to eat or sleep.then why doesn't it make any money anywhere? STUPID FUCKING FANTASY LAND FAGGOT
>>729004390AI bubble will pop Chinese memory will crash the prices further
>>729010354Same here but DDR4. Kinda regretting selling my old 16gb DDR4 for $30 lol
>>729010042Nobody is moving manufacturing here. Companies will make empty promises and gifts of gold to Trump so that his ego is soothed in the hopes of getting tariff relief as they scramble to move production from China to some other Asian country.
>>729010386>water requirements are insaneHOW? You reddit retards keep repeating this - have you actually ever been to a data center? Priming a water cooling loop is not a giant water demand so how are they using water you GIANT FAKE AS FUCK FAGGOT
>>729010440I just learned that apparently the chinese even had to import the small balls used on pens because they can't produce shit, just assemble.
>>729010486You are an idiot
>>729004390Imagine fucking being a fucking American jesus christ. The zog gov just gives infinite money to some literally gay jews for their intelligent auto complete and they literally fuck the pc component market and the electric bill for half of the states.
>>729010485They are probably using the water use in energy generation which is... Retarded.
>>729010485>loop>he doesn't knowThe vast majority of these infrastructures do not have internal loops, they're so incompetent that data centers have input and output circuits, often dirtying it the fuck up and trying to return it later to the aquifers but with good old pipe residue and more in them, sucking up water reserves, expending them, and what's left is often polluted and dirtier and returned to safe water deposits.Its pretty great.
>>729004736None of the RAM manufacturing companies actually believe in the miracle of AI, so they're unwilling to scale up production to meet the demand which they think will be entirely unsustainable and unnecessary in a few years after the bubble burstsUnfortunately this means that because OpenAI is willing to potentially pay insane premiums (as far as they're paying at all which is its own can of worms) that production elsewhere has to be cut till the situation normalizes
>>729010386costs will be brought down over time. the cost to manufacture things during the industrial revolution was obviously much higher than it is now(comparatively, of course) because the machines people made ended up making more machines even easier. >>729010414because it's still in development. which is why they're investing so much into trying to get it to work. it could fail spectacularly but billionaires see this as their chance to get robot slaves that won't unionize or even leave the premises.
>>729010630that's fucking retarded. The only thing relevant is heat transfer.
>>729004736Adding to all the above, manufacturers know about the bubble and choose to stay the course instead of expanding manufacturing which would otherwise bring them down too. Once demand craters they won't have extreme amounts of surplus, but meanwhile the consumer sector suffers.
>>729010689>because it's still in development.they're lying dude. You are listening to cocaine SSRI benzo steroid ketamine drugged people who are not connected to reality
>We are all suffering because of tech that is only good for kids too retarded to write 200 word essays and indians that trick boomers on Facebook for a livingThis is by far the gayest timeline ever, at least i got my 32 gigs if RAM to play with before i die in Venezuela
>>729010553yeah, this is how dysfunctional jews really are - you are just finally seeing it because now they have enough influence to fuck everything up
>>729009041When was that, when she made the case for every single merger she was "opposing"? Only Sony and Microsoft are console makers btw.
>>729009634Oh no anon, this is definitely real with real actors.
>>729010765they're obviously trying to fake it until they make it, the question is if they'll spend enough to actually get there. but ai is already going to change the arts. music, art, and voice acting are already changed forever.
>>729010689If you can listen to these retards especially sam atlman talk for more than 10 minutes and not come to the conclusion that he is either high or retarded all the time you aren't going to make it
>>729010689What I don't get is how is the infrastructure blowing up when the machine learning algorithms are so fucking shit so far. You can quickly see how AI bullshit is just mimicking content, you can't replace thinking workers with parrots and monkeys, and the big fucking problem is that thinking hasn't been solved yet.
>>729010689>costs will be brought down over timeThe energy cartel isn't making it any cheaper and neither are the hardware or software people, developers or makers of things for this new industry. Saying otherwise is baseless utopian optimism, its like saying cars will be cheap plentiful and gasoline be a quarter a litre rather than it being what it is now.>>729010717Heat transfer and also water consumption and also mass pollution of massive amounts of water and also costs of transport and also electricity and also permits and land taxes and proprietary licenses and also management of waste and also electronic waste and also maintenance of an incredibly used industrial water cooling system and yada yada. Nothing is simple, and AI ain't cheap.
>>729010867>You won't get to live in a Star Trek utopia>But you'll get to a future in which every fun job is automated and the only way to make a living is by being a plumber 24/7Wow
>>729010875>you can't replace thinking workers with parrots and monkeysYou can, third worlders have been imported to do just that and it's the main cause of enshittification along with the MBAs running companies.
>>729004390This will result in overcapacity and the cheapest memory and SSDs you've ever seen. Give it 2 years.It might even be sooner than that but you don't want to know the implications of that.
>>729010875>and the big fucking problem is that thinking hasn't been solved yet.AGI isn't possible because by definition AI doesn't have fucking memory even dude. Like they don't have short work and long term memory, shit like GPT just re-reads the conversation every time it gets a new bit of info, and if you actually had them try to hold memory, youd need 7 mega complexes to try and optimize shit and have it think, at which point it'd be infinitely worse than hiring a normal person to do shit or just use a pre programmed bit of machinery versus AI.
>few years ago /pol/fags dooming over owning nothing and being happy>now actively cheering for it as long as they keep getting a steady stream of dancing cat tiktoksHas there ever been a group of retards that was this easy to manipulate
>>729010868>Tfw he literally said that the point of achieving AGI is to ask it how to make profitableThe fate of the world might literally rest on the shoulders of coked out boomers falling for the scheme of a literal gay jew
>>729010717Crack up open an AIO and drink the contents. You'll either prove everyone wrong or do us all a favor and remove yourself from the gene pool, it's a win win.
>>729010867It's going to change production. The whole point of art is to express humanity. It's why impressionism boomed when cameras started to be a thing. They can become more efficient at shitting slop because current consumerist society is based on selling trash to impressionable mongs. All this does is make people who want to express themselves want to kill themselves.Tell me how the fuck does any of this work? Do you think sucking out the joy out of existence is legitimately good? I hope the elites are thinking on some way to cut down the population they don't need in the near future because a lot of people will be pissed and prone to be swayed once this kicks in.
>>729011034B-But we owned the libs!
>>729004390>do the publishers hate moneyYes, they are all retards that follow shareholders.But people that actually live off consumer money will always aim at the hardware people actually have.
>>729011146>I hope the elites are thinking on some way to cut down the population they don't need in the near future because a lot of people will be pissed and prone to be swayed once this kicks inAnd who will? Americans?! Please, they treat guns the same way söyboys treat their funkos, they're the biggest cucks on the planet, they'd rather bend over to daddy government than fight for basic rights
>>729011146>I hope the elites are thinking on some way to cut down the population they don't need in the near future because a lot of people will be pissed and prone to be swayed once this kicks in.Why else do you think "overpopulation" has been such an important talking point, or how "assisted suicide" is being beta tested in Canada? They are going to fill the vast majority of us.
>>729004390Lmao no, by March of next year people will start calling the bluff on that kike's game. There is no "AI", there is nothing worth spending that amount of money and infrastructure.It'll all come crashing down very soon.
>>729004390Too bad a certain religion of peace doesn't think AI is haram, or they'd solve this for us.
>>729006215>investorsIt's all handouts from the government. It's a huge grift and it will be ugly once the bubble pops.
>>729011293You are either very optimistic or you really underestimate how retarded the average person is, hell, the people at the top are slightly smarter than them
>>729010992>*coff coff* >"I'm glad I waited tw->*COUGH COUGH* >*-wheeze* "I'm glad I waited two years for a SSD...">"...So cheap now..." *BEEEEEP*
There is a much bigger "disaster" that the industry have been fighting forever that is the reason why you're being forced to update to Windows 11, and why windows 11 require special magical hardware.PC sales stagnated.Basically, the power of the PC reached a point where everyone is just satisfied forever with what they got, so the sales were mostly people replacing dead hardware.
>>729004390>be me>have 192 gb of ddr5 6000 mhz ramWhat are you some brown poor nigger?
>>729011482>At least the SSDs are cheap now!
>>729011281>Try to cull the population>Eventually run out of poors to mog so they start mogging each other, since theirs is a zero-sum game that can only have 1 (or 0) winners>They start inbreeding thanks to a lack of people that doesn't want them dead>In 600 years (if anyone is still alive at that point) the only thing left on the planet will be inbred retards and their machine defense systems trying to kill each otherI don't get how they can be smart enough to climb to the top of social hierarchy but dumb enough to not see where this leads in the end. If they did they would all be the biggest doomers on the planet.
>>729011619No games
>>729005190For the first time, I have intentionally downloaded AI slop. Kudos.
i will buy chinese ddr5 on the alibaba grey marketi dont care about trumps sanctions
>>729004390You vill own nothing and you vill be happy
>>729004736>invest bajillion dollars into new machines>get new capacity>produce ram for everyone>ai bullshit demand drops>now you're left with bazillion surplus capacity and nobody to sell todo not overinvest
>>72901036910/10
>>729004390It should be fine for gaming, but not AI. You want at least 64GB for ai gooning.
>>729011669You say that but I just beat Chrono Trigger and am now enjoy e33. Then I am gonna go back and play y3 and finish those games and judgment 2. All on a crisp 4k 160hz oled display while you are brown and poor.
>>729011146They do. Making people miserable and denying them resources to procreate fixes the issue by itself. We´re already way into that plan: population is dropping so sharply we dont have enough supply for low-tier jobs (hence we import from countries that arent at this stage yet to keep wages down). Furthermore, they´ve already separated themselves from normal people decades ago. You dont even know where they live (and even if you did, they have a dozen other more secluded places you dont know about they can move to at will). The elites control pretty much every major country's politics, as seen by how much they can push this further each year. People are putting up with it already, and have been for decades. As for easily-swayed people, that works both ways: as you've seen in last decades you can just give them a scapegoat (segregation wars, gender wars, sexuality wars) and they'll happily fight eachother instead of attacking the root cause. We're been fighting economic war with the elites for at least 50 years, and there hasnt been a single year where they havent been winning.
>>729011786>i played chrono trigger at 160hz
>>729011662>I don't get how they can be smart enough to climb to the top of social hierarchyBecause most of the suits at the top didn't climb shit, most of them come from rich families
>>729010867>if they'll spend enough to actually get therethis is the reddit 20 year old Elon worshipping retardation i am talking about - this is a DREAM that doesn't exist in mathematical terms
>>729011662>I don't get how they can be smart enough to climb to the topBecause none of them did, they're all yuppies who were put there by their rich parents.
>>729011837Yup also doom dark ages and oblivion this year. I love being white.
>>729011662Look at everyone who goes "I have mine, who the fuck cares" about RAM issues. Now imagine instead of RAM its millions of dollars you're receiving, not paying. The fraction of "I have mine, who the fuck cares?" in most wealthy elites is majority. They arent interested in optimal outcome, they're interested in getting theirs, fuck the rest.
>>729005682>They’re buying silicone wafers before they’re turned into ram and just letting them sit unused. It’s a great way (possibly illegal) to kill competition by denying Ai competition the parts they needIf that's illegal, then so is buying up the stock of elements like gold and silver. Thing is, Silicon is extremely abundant on the planet, so the argument of short supply doesn't stick.
>>729007104What happens in 2030?
>>729004736Because of capitalism, companies can just do this shit where they buy every resource based on what is essentially a loan and pretty much destroy an entire industry
>>729012039Oxygen based GPUs when?
>>729011948>choppy mess>whiteGames locked at 60 FPS you need to use a multiple of 60 refresh rate to not look like dogshit.like 60,120,180,240You can't do 180, can you?
>AI will create a billion new jobs luddite>Ackshually jobs won't even be a thing thanks to AIWonder what the next goalpost will be
>>729004390Do you have a personal vested interest in the micro chip industry or are you just whining about prices you weren't gonna pay anyway and gossiping about consumerism like a frustrated goy?
>>729004736they canartificial scarcity increases profits
>>729010485>Water requirements are negligible you chud!>We just need to cool down a new datacenter built on a hydric recharge zone or the middle of a fucking desert>Oh and we need the power output as well so we'll build a nuclear power plant which we will cool down with water as well>And we need to mine new fuel because we can't use our existing nuke arsenal for power, So we're gonna dig the ground, poison the groundwater and pump more water to frack the ground for rocks.
>>729011662>Anon is brainwashed into believing the most competent are the topImagine your (grand)parents having 100mil. Assuming you invested in the safest possible bet (fortune 500 index fund) that requires no management, you´d have to spend 7 million EACH YEAR or you get richer without doing jack shit. Now assume compounding profits for yourself since you'll run out of million-dollar stuff in a couple of years. Now assume this scheme has been running for 80-150 years. Those at the very top dont need to do anything and they'll make more each year than you make in your whole life. Every year the gap grows larger.
>>729012145Sometimes.
I feel like AI is useful but it doesn’t have to be in everything or everywhere
>>729012091>games locked at 60 fpsYou must be retarded. I use my main 4k monitor for gaming and my other two monitors for multitasking, my tv for streaming.
>>729012039The silicon is easy to find.The insanely big machines that take billions of dollars and several years to build and a shitload of retarded patents.. not so much.
>>729012039The type of silicon used for the ultra pure wafers is reasonably abundant but represents a very small fraction of the silicon on the planet. The bottlenecking occurs during both the extraction of the silicon from specific regions and the creation of the ultra pure wafers.
>>729004390>shortageanon never heard of the diamond economy
>>729012219no
>>729012074no retard because there aren't enough producers, if this shit was easy to make, everyone would be making factories to cash in.like chinks, chinks can cure cancer with a vaccine, have solid state batteries, cheap GPU etc etc etc...except you never see them on sale, because they dont exist, or if they exist are so prohibitively expensive to produce and they only show a gimped prototype.
>>729012039Anon, silicon wafers arent just a sheet of silicone. They are processed and polished in ultra-clean environments through advanced technology and robotics. There are only few companies that can do this in scale large enough to make global impact. You cant just buy a block of silicon and say its a wafer. To block entry to wafers means your competitors wont have realistic access to them no matter how much raw silicon they have and setting up new wafer-refining company is essentially impossible due to proprietary tech said companies are holding. You'd need a good 10-20 years of R&D to even break into the market.
>>729010042you're automation sir
Gonna be honest with you lads, the first few months of AI were great. I was prompting crazy shit, porn, writing, all that stuff. Now that I can generate 1 gig of slop in an instant I don't really care anymore. Even for porn I find myself going to actual artist pages like I used to, because why bother saving or looking for slop when I can just generate it whenever I want? I wonder if this is how normalfags will feel about AI once the "shiny new toy" feeling wears off.
>>729012281I know all of that, I'm just pointing out that the advanced technology is the issue, so it can't be illegal because the only thing stopping competition is investment and time.
>>729012256Chrono trigger is a 59.85 FPS game (i recently learned that 240p games don't run at 59.97)You can and do get away with it running it at 60, but you can't just make it smoother than that.
>>729012339Factories are resources buddy
>>729012325It's a balance of number of sales vs profit per unit, and you might crash the number of sales if you get to a price not many people can afford.
>>729012391too bad, enjoy your component shortage for the next 5-10 years
>>729012428sure buddy, then lets see those "factories" build this shit in quantity/qualitycopy paste rethorics wont save you from the worlds realities
>>729012391I think fetish art will still be poisoned forever because retards who can't figure out how to gen their own slop are literally paying patreonbux to people who do to make it for them.
>>729012315>anon never heard of the diamond economyThat's a great comparison to what is happening with silicone wafers. Carbon is common, but diamond structure of carbon is rare (or was until we started growing diamonds).
THE FUTURE IS NOW
>>729004390do you guys not have phones
>>729012502The worst part is that image generation and all that is not directly responsible for the component shortage.It's just one literal idiot trying to create a LLM god.
>>729012559Grim.
>>729012539? These components are all made in factories. They’re not hand made bro
>>729004390If it works now it'll work then.AAA sloppa won't be getting substantially more demanding in the next several years. Because PS5 will remain the target platform for game development. Even if PS6 is released in late 2027 (doubt) there's still going to be a large cross-gen period where everything is being made and released for PS5.
>AI datacenters are taking all the computer componentsIs the upside to this that we're going to move away from """"""smart"""""" electronics? Can I buy a flatscreen TV that doesn't have a computer in it again?
>>729012841lol no, your watching habits are important for ad companies y'know
Imagine if we put even a fraction of those billions into space exploration instead of shitty data centers so jeets and niggers can ask the LLM retarded questions and code the millionth note taking app.We're never getting off this planet are we?
Retrogame fags laughing. I can play my games on nearly every PC and laptop I own. Even if my main PC's RAM malfunctions and explodes I can still game.
>>729012841nah it will be the same except they will make you agree to having an AI analyze your watching habits
>>729005172>late-stage capitalism starts to look bad for regular people>blames socialism for some reason
>>729012945wat anime is this from?
>>729012841And how do you purpose NSA spy on you? Your phone and your computer and your consoles aren't enough.
>>729004390Funny how they cant open more RAM factories. The entire selling point of AI is "replacing human in every category of job" but there arent humanoid robots building more factories
>>729012945space exploration is retard shit. It would require breaking physics to get anywhere beyond the solar system in a reasonably life time in one trip
>>729012992Memories
>>729012945There's nothing out there. Even if there was, there's nothing out there any of us can reach within a reasonable time frame. Space travel is a meme.
>>729012945Space doesn't exist the earth is flat.
>>729012073PLEASE RESPOND!
>>729013146fank u sir
>>729013123space exploration has been Melon Tusks grift for over a decade now and it has played out, people just don't care that much about it anymore because he has been lying to everyone for years, promising a mars mission every year since forever
AI bubble will pop in 2026, 2027 at the latest.Companies like Nvidia, Palantir and OpenAI are literally committing fraud by giving money to eachother to pump their value up. The investment in AI is in the trillions while its only making billions, the costs are immense and the profits simply aren't there. Companies like Microsoft and Meta are quietly scaling back on AI because they know the crash is coming, its much sooner than people think. Unlike the housing market this is a crisis that can't be swept under the rug for much longer, AI is an absolute massive resource hog with very little to show for it in terms of actual tangible profits
>>729013123>>729013148Who says even leaving the solar system? We're in an island and nobody can get to us and we to anybody, but we can at least start exploring and using the resources in our system.
>>729006421I remember the dude who say Radiologists is a dead end job in 2016. And there is a shortage of Radiologists
>>729004390Short term this will continue then. But 40% of supply being gone for a guaranteed 4 years+ that being around when other data centers will be being built/upgrade time means that more production will be built.
>>729012987Amerimutt brainwashing that goes back to elementary school. A government that is obligated to make their lives comfortable, scares them for some reason
>>729013306Obligated by whom, reddit for parents social cripple?
>big open world games used to run fine on 512mb ramWe have to go back.
What about crypto? Did everyone give up on that?Those retards that said crypto would cause "le climate change" are suddenly very quiet.
>>729013257I mean there isn’t much to get, a lot of what we need is here on earth and whatever we can extract from other neighbor planets will take far more likely rarer resources than what we could ever gain back
>>729013380For everyone, but capitalist defenders are willing to hurt themselves because they'll be hurting browns more
>>729013123we can still harvest all the shit in our solar system
>>729004390Of the bubble doesn't burst earlier
>>729010252The big shithole companies like OpenAI are probably going to collapse but I imagine most enterprises will start running their own specialized local models that they feed all their data into without the schizophrenic internet shit and people will start treating the tech more like a quick access data repository than your friend that totally loves you
>>729013123The main reason to do it is to actually own land.You build a space tube with artificial gravity and climate completely under your control and you set the rules and all that.Of course, there are certain religions that would be against it because you're supposed to be made for em, and they will probably try to convince you to get back.Then you send a bunch of zakus to say no
>>729013546See >>729013514
>>729013479crypto mining is very power hungry idk how anyone could honestly dispute that
AI demand only started existing in October 2025 you fucking chudThis has nothing to do with the 3 DRAM manufacturers intentionally cutting production earlier this year to prevent "over supply" and low prices.
>>729013404game looked like poop tho not realistic
>>729011363>It's all handouts from the government. It's a huge grift and it will be ugly once the bubble pops.And then what? Rise up and drag down the billionaires by force?
>>729013621There’s plenty of undeveloped land here.>But it’s all owned or whateverYou don’t have the resources to fly to other planets and terraform it into a livable space. That will also be owned by people who already own everything on earth
I can't get a rod, i've tried everything, squeezing, pulling, yanking, banging it on the table - nothing at all.
>>729013543In english, Paco. Who is obligating socialist governments to be benevolent? And why are they slacking on every single existing socialist country today?
>>729013404Stalker Anomaly with like 500+ mods that combines all three Stalker games runs completely fine with 8gb and it's a notoriously heavy game on both the CPU and RAM due to how the 64-bit version of Open Xray (The game's engine) handles computing for stuff like offline entity combat and game states on the entirety of the combined maps. There are also mods that reshade, add maps or otherwise freshen up the game and it barely places a dent on most modern systems. It's also an engine that was horribly unfinished, full of jank and was coded by a bunch of slavs and it still manages to be less of a mess in terms of performance in comparison to most UE5 adjacent projects solely because it's not a resource hog, even when it has access to RTGI, a DirectX 12 API (soon) and plenty of other neat features. All while still being largely capable of running fine on most mid-range cards and CPU's, along with 8-16gb of RAM.
>>729004390900,000 waifus per month would just about satisfy me
>>729013775I said nothing about "terraforming planets", i'm talking about o'neill cylinders here.Basically land you manufacture yourself and can be anywhere, including outside the range of earth.
>>729013925>One critical failure and literally everyone fucking diesno thanks
>>729013514Rare earth elements are abundant in asteroids while on earth they are pretty limited and almost entirely seeded in brics regions.
>>729010717>"but with good old pipe residue"You literally just made this up. What the fuck pipe residue? This isn't the 50s anymore.People are literally acting like the water is just disappearing from the planet after it's used at these places.
>>729012841No they're shoving Copilot into that crap
>>729004390>Optimization is dead, RAM usage for software keeps increasing because all half decent coders have been replaced with DEI and Jeets>Can't upgrade RAM because it's being hoarded by AI companies
Explain to me like I'm a retarded goblin why we're not seeing more budget GPU/RAM start-ups.What's preventing the KIA of RAM?
>>729014056rare earth elements aren’t rare. They’re all over. They’re just extremely difficult to process
how come the FTC had issues with Mike Row Soft putting IE on their OS as the default browsers and now they're completely fine with them putting copilots in every Smart TV?
>>729013775You should consider the possibility that a stable breeding population of humans in space is an existential threat to the status quo and the powers at be would be correct to try and prevent this from ever happening by any means necessary. This is why there's no one else out there, sentience always ends ingloriously with a boot on your face until your star dies.
>>729012987>>729013306>>729013543Anybody who thinks we're in a "late stage capitalist" system is a moron who just bleats buzzword phrases they've heard on Reddit.We live in a heavily regulated market system with unsustainable welfare systems. There's no free market capitalism to be had when governments constantly make laws to fuck things up like the EU did to it's farmers.You stupid faggot.
>>729007523Microsoft didn’t donate enough millions to the presidential Trump inaugural slush fund. Musk and Altman did though.
>>729013243>Companies like Microsoft and Meta are quietly scaling back on AIDon't know about Meta, but the jeet at Microsoft isn't quiet about it, he says that almost nobody uses Copilot
>>729014223building a semiconductor fab costs billions and takes years
Best way to fight this is to avoid AI like the plague, but you retarded jeets are to obsessed with your AI waifus not to.
>>729014340In a free market scenario, the farmers just sell to the chinese buddy since they pay more
>>729014383*too, fucking autocorrect
>>729014223the only ones that are making budget GPU are intel and china, intel has become decent over the years but are barely able to market themselves worldwide and china gets cucked because they're limited by their own goverment and the US government is obviously brought up by the big 2 (AMD and NVIDIA) so obviously they'll never be able to sell them in the US, therefore being fucked on being able to reach a wider market
>>729014257because shut up that's why
Doing a new build at the end of last year was truly a great decision
>>729007273This. People insinuate it's because they just don't give a shit about us anymore and while that's definitely mostly true, I think people get too lost in today's cynicism and ignore that it may just be a strategic decision with the long-term in mind, an equally believable reality; if it is a bubble, might as well not overplay your hand and keep it so you can pivot right back to consumers should speculation and momentum collapse.
>>729014223Monopolization of manufacture. Manufacturing wafers and the blueprints/printers involved in the job are the closely guarded secret of practically a few companies, one of which is situated in Taiwan. Thus you have practically only a few places on the planet that manufacture wafers to an industry standard and the competitors would need extensive work and investment to produce similar wafers.
>>729014436Whereas right now they cannot afford to grow food because some retard in government thinks regulations are... are... LE GOOD! Or more likely some enviro-tard doesn't understand how the things they want to control actually work, and are doing more harm than good.
>>729014447So be it.
>>729004390The better question is what games worth playing need 32gigs of ram?The only real dilemma here seems to be the fear of missing out on ... new games? That's a fear I haven't had for a long time.
Has any good come out of this ai boom anyways? I don't mean shit like "Rajesh now can make 5 patreonslop WEGs instead if 1"
>>729014340Free market won't work unless everyone decides to forego their national interests and let UN be world government.
>>729010042and they diagnose people who don't believe in such horsshit with trump derangement.
>>729014223>>729014361China is building their own fabs and lithography machinesThey already have domestic chip designs but currently still produced at TSMCOnce China SEOs have everything working, chip prices will COLLAPSE globally Chips will be so cheap because China will just keep making them and not intentionally stop production like capitalist companies do to artificially create scarcity and cause price hike "booms" like we're seeing now(Which is the actual reason they're so expensive right now, not AI demand suddenly starting to exist in October 2025)
>>729014584You’re getting fed insane bullshit. Most farms are owned by big companies and use every trick in the book to make as much profit as possible. Small mom and pop farms are an incredibly small fraction to the overall produce a place makes. They don’t grow shit unless they can get a maximum profit out of it, not to survive mind you to secure max growth. These are company owned. There’s a reason one of the biggest crops in America is basedbeans and it’s sole goal is to export it
>>729004390What if the ai bubble never crashes and everything just keeps getting worse? More people will just lose their jobs and everything will get worse.
>>729014873>basedbeans
it's not even gonna be like the real Star Trek where you can just live on Earth for free and do whatever makes you happy like Sisko's dad who runs a Cajun restaurant just for love of the game despite having food replicators and not needing money what a worldhe just opens a restaurant, makes foodpeople come and eat it, there's no moneyeveryone is just happy
>>729014860>Once China SEOs have everything working, chip prices will COLLAPSE globallyWhy should china sell to the world instead of using their production capacity in their own country? Instead of buying chips from abroad and getting constantly bullied by the US they could just say fuck you, we got ours.
>>729004390>StargateWhy is it called like that?
>>729014718I bought a PS1, 2, 3, a Wii and a Vita over the past 5 years and my backlog keeps increasing, the only annoying thing is running out of HDD space on the consoles and SD cards randomly dying, any modern game coming out bores me, people really will have to face the fact that modern gaming, with few exceptions like modern reboots to classics like TXR, sucks and will never have the same soul that the PS2 era had even with all its jank on the mainstream side, indie games still have gems come out every few years and aren't resource hogs
>>729014954yeah, sounds highly unrealistic, like, say, some kind of fiction
>>729014951whatever soibeans I forgot about the filter fuck
>>729014721Computing will generally benefit from it on the long run, same with all forms of molecular modeling and other resource intensive calculation jobs. Another likely field is also analytics and other assorted 'guesstimation' tasks with ridiculously large datasets. Jobs in those fields that used to take years upon years or immense amount of raw data input cut out a lot of time from the process. The most egregious example is that in terms of molecular modeling, most of the commercial models can likely produce better results in terms of data that Folding@home produced in the past 25 years
>>729004390How bad is it going to be when the government has to bail out OpenAI?Altman straight out stated they don't even expect profitability until 2030 and that is still a maybe, yet they are still blowing billions of dollars.
>>729004390I can only hope they go belly-up before then.
>>729014873don't tell Anons to look into the actual percentage of farms that are subsidized by the US government, because they're constantly competing with Asians who literally own MILLIONS of acres of American farmland for their personal investments and then companies like Monsanto pin these farmers down in these insane seed contracts, basically creating an environment where farmers pass money from the US gov over to Monsanto our economy is FUCKED
>>729014340>Free market capitalismThe US literally had that before the great depression snapped them back to reality, the Rockefeller family literally owned America until laws were put in place to stop them from abusing their powers.If we lived in a totally free market today, every country would be starving, at war or living in techno-feudalism by now. "Real Capitalism" is like "Real Marxism", it's a shitty meme that never works in practice because neither system had the right stopgaps in place from turning it into a zerosum game where the best way to play is to take the board and break it over your knee as soon as you have the lead.
>>729014979china has a surplus of EVs that surpass american EVs in technology. they can't sell any more of them domestically.will this repeat again for chinese chips? maybe.also not that anon
>>729014340>unsustainable welfare systemsYeah I sure am sick of people who just "own things" and demanding money- Shareholders- Creditorsetc.People who just "own things" and demand you gibs them money/rent/fees/interest/dividendsIf these PARASITES weren't stealing all the money every step of the way, a McDonalds burger flipper job would be paying like $100/h because all that money going to shareholders would instead go to the workers who generate it
>>729015038no the reality is we'll all be fighting for McJobs at the local McAmazon McWarehouse so we can spend our time in a wagie cagie making pennies on the dollar for Jeffrey Bezostein the 4ths second mars mission to transport billionaires off of the planet they raped but the good thing is we'll have Kpop and Gacha slop to keep us happy
>>729005190How does someone make this and still hold the opinion they're espousing?
>>729014873Oh right. Here comes the moron that thinks "le corporation" means "endless pocketbooks" and then wonders why the economy goes to shit when they make it impossible to have viable business strategies because their government's tax policy is summed up as, "money me, money now. I want money a lot now."
>>729004736Because fuck you, that's why.
>>729015117Now here's the other kind of idiot. This is the useful idiot. Because he believes the propaganda that "if we don't let the government become our clingy helicopter parent, we'll all be starving because WE JUST WILL OKAY!?"
>>729015125Ohh. This is a wonderful type of moron right here. The one that thinks the economy will function without loans and investments. You think you're going to have hamburger-flipping jobs without those? You won't even have hamburgers.
>>729015105>Americans are selling out their own to the chinks for a quick buckGreed really knows no creed
>>729015117>The US literally had that before the great depression snapped them back to reality, the Rockefeller family literally owned America until laws were put in place to stop them from abusing their powers.They still own America through the Federal Reserve. The bankers of the world are shareholders of the corporations called nations with their fractional reserve banking receipts.
>>729014860>available everywhere except america because i'm convinced at this point the american elite are intending to remake themselves into a chinese-style forced labor society in the wake of china climbing out of its hole as the rest of the world is passively shuffled onto china's teat insteadIf I wasn't an unskilled poorfag I would've bailed already. Guess I'll just eat a bullet when things become too unavoidably hellish.
>>729015405How the fuck else were the US supposed to get out from under those fat fucking thumbs otherwise? Or are you seriously suggesting that things would have been better if we lived in a Rockefeller world?
>>729015105Yeah, and every time Republicans try to address the bullshit of Chinks owning US farmland, the Democrats pitch a fit, because why the fuck wouldn't they? Our "democratic" system is built around fucking things up as much as possible in order to have an election to win based on how terrible things are.
>>729015582You're arguing with a fucking retard anon, better to just let it go.
>>729015582You still live in Rockefeller World, dumbass. Only now the Rockefellers of the world use the US federal government to heavily regulate who gets to be in the Rockefeller World.
>>729014340really the unsustainable welfare system is at the highest level of business, we've created a socioeconomic situation where our actual culture and ways of life depend on the success of petty and greedy corporate stooges who will do anything they possibly can to extract wealth from Americans and hoard it every single time a major business fails or even stumbles our tax money props them back up and we see nothing for it, prices don't go down, people just get wealthier and more wealth leaves the lower and middle classes it's literally a scam these people have been running on the middle and lower classes for decadesif you WANT to make welfare go down you have to make the cost of living more reasonable, and spending BILLIONS of dollars per company per year to keep them afloat while they gouge their customers for cheaper and cheaper products to satisfy shareholders and chinese investors ain't it federal SNAP (food benefits) is like 100 billion per yearwe spend 200 billion on corporate bail-outs PER YEARwe spend nearly a trillion dollars globally a year for military options80 billion goes to foreign aid!
>>729012987>private corporations intentionally underproduce to raise scarcity>blame socialism
>>729015491The current capitalist system "economy"? The one where the most lucrative thing you could do is literally nothing productive, just "own things", and demand other people who actually work gibsyoudat money/rent/fees/interest/dividends?No, that "economy" wouldn't exist, and that's a good thing.
>>729012219Scarcity can lead to consumers rejecting your offers wholesale and alternatives getting a foot in the door and replacing you.There is a very hard balance between price people are willing to pay and scarcity.It's why in times of famine people would just steal food or try the free alternatives instead of taking on debt.
>>729015709Nice cherrypicking, fag. We do more than have SNAP.
i upgraded my 16 to 32 and im going to keep this computer now for years to come
>>729015772You'd have no economy, moron. Also your imagine incorrectly depicts what fascism actually is. Because of course it does, it's made by a communist tranny.
>>729015687>Damned if you do, damned if you don'tYour argument sucks anon since your proving my point either way.This is why this shit always ends in violent revolutions regardless of who is calling the shots
I'm really worried. I only have 32GB DDR5. Am I going to make it?
>>729012987Anon, this is a case of Amerimutt brainwashing, don't even bother. I went there and it's a waste of time
>>729004390oh no not 3 years I desperately need to upgrade for all those iconic games that require 64gb of ram such as:
>>729015794Like what? State level WIC?SSI that is like 60 billion?Tax credits? Medicare is the sore thumb in this situation, taking up 2/3 of the total social spending budget.Why? Because medical costs are actually that high?No, it's the interference of medical companies and the circus of leasing machinery and the meddling of insurance companies. Middle men once again.
>>729015772>fascism = capitalismretarded commie walltext
>>729015582>How the fuck else were the US supposed to get out from under those fat fucking thumbs otherwise? Or are you seriously suggesting that things would have been better if we lived in a Rockefeller world?We still live in it. We do not live in nations, we live in corporations. We own nothing because there's nowhere free on this planet anymore. As long as fiat money (or socialist coupons) exists and you're forced to use it, you are a slave.
>>729015879no chance64gb minimum
>>729015879It's over for you I'm afraid, I'll take it off your hands for a bargain
>>729015961>two sentences is a wall of textrough
>>729015879Yes, especially if developers actually commit to optimization. 64 GB is more for basic workstation loads. If you're just gaming and shitposting, you're good.
>>729015709What your suggesting could literally be fixed if the dudes with all the money were actually taxed, but OH NO, that would mean that the market isn't as "free" anymore!Maybe we should start taxing capitol and stop taxing work?
>>729005158This is the "we only invaded Iraq for OIL!!!" of retarded cargo cult pseudo-conspiracy theories, I hope someday you gain the capacity to really start paying attention
I still don't understand how World Coin will somehow pay a livable wage to the billions of people in this planet and still make enough money to not have it's infrastructure collapse and keep the lights on
>>729015878You live in the regulatory hell that stops you from opening small businesses unless you pay through the nose to government gangsters who take cuts from every business venture. Unless you're so rich and powerful that you get to make the rules.You're on the side of the system that still oppresses people, you're just too stupid to see it.Did I say clingy helicopter parent? More like you're the government's special needs child.
>>729016027the text completely covers the panel
>>729012079>just imagine that you are playing a game with ultra graphics, bro
>>729016095You don't even know what economics are in the first place, or how economies work. You're the type of idiot that think's Mamdani's state-run grocery stores will work because your entire worldview is just communist propaganda.
>>729016073Maybe we need to admit we're more than just a coalition of individuals competing with each other for success and realize that we're a single nation that has to protect itself from Foreign Interests, and maybe we need to admit that letting businesses become so successful that they dictate our culture to us is actually bad and anti-American.tl;dr Yeah, at a certain point wealth needs to be redistributed for the betterment of America and not the enrichening of some CEO slug.
>>729016073>there's no le taxes on the le rich!There's no le braincells in your le head.
>>729016103>Start taxing money to keep it flowing>Stop taxing work to encourage sharing resources and benefitsThis entire problem only exists because the vast majority of countries allows it to exist, the current state of every nation isn't because needy people exists it's because rich people want to get even richer.
>mfw thanks to ram price explosions, my computer is now appreciating in value to the same tune as a used fj cruiserI mean cool I guess
>>729016389I guess that is why these people get more and more money every year while most countries on earth get poorer and poorer then? I mean, we are taxing these rich dudes so hard that we are literally taking money from the poor! Wait a minute...
>>729016389There are taxes on the rich, of course. But they have played the legal system in a way that allows them to skirt taxes in a way that they pay minimally compared to Joe Schmoe who pays like 15% of their check in taxes. I have the radical idea that people who are examples of success like Bezos should have the social obligation to reinvest the money that Americans rewarded his business with back into our country in order to enrich the lives of the average American.
>>729016183I don't think a single fucking person on the planet understands "economics" because as a science it has been mocked for DECADES by other sciences since so many of their theories always ends up backfiring horribly. You wouldn't call a mechanic that botches 99/100 fixes so why the fuck should we trust anything that anyone with a economics degree has to say about anything? Hell, some of the smartest people actually working within economic theory all mock themselves and agrees that it's a theory of mind built ENTIRELY on vibes and good luck.
>>729016690Then move there you fucking shill. Move there. And shut up.
>>729016791No, we will criticize American socio-economic policies and we will compare them to other examples because it is an example of American free speech and protected under the first amendment.It is a right and an OBLIGATION to consider and criticize our own national systems in order to be better people and citizens.
>>729016690America could easily BTFO China if they re-introduced slave labor like China has
>>729016690>healthcare, education, transportation, energy, housingNot if they move out of the city they were born in.
>>729016753You're so right. Let's get rid of prices, investors, money, rents, and loans because like... they're LE BAD!>>729016690>>729016881China has 50 million people living in caves. Twice as many living in "coffin houses" and you have no freedoms there what so ever.
>>729016584It's known as the Golden Parachute. People with sizeable monetary assets or liquidity will always make it out the other end, while most of those with less solvency will always pay more out of their share of the pot, simply because their pot is smaller to begin with. It's why "Generational Wealth" is always so sought after as it's practically impossible to lose in quantities that would completely tank the economic stability of even the biggest retard (unless they spend it all or literally just give it away.)
>>729016975And did I say "WE SHOULD LIVE IN CAVES"?Did I say we should start speaking Chinese?What else do they do in China that I didn't bring up?
>>729009485the other part of it is the US government is still REALLY keen on having a fortune-teller or sooth-sayer, if not downright obsessed with it, it's a stereotype with cops even that when they don't know what to do on a case they hit up fucking madame clairvoyanever forget MKUltra, that was a real thing that happened
>>729016284>tl;dr Yeah, at a certain point wealth needs to be redistributed for the betterment of America and not the enrichening of some CEO slug.No, you have this all wrong. The issue isn't the hording of wealth, it's the hording of productive assets. Next is consent. What good is all that wealth when everyone refuses to exchange items the CEO wants.Another factor that is always ignored by those with envy of wealthy people's stuff. We live in an age where general work is cheap, food is abundant, and today's desired jobs are a collection of specialized skills all working in sync. Most rich CEOs are the logistics guy and make the magic happen. People like you need to stop thinking that they're parasites when they're not. The actual parasites hide within the system who use legal accounting tricks to suppress or inflate assets for personal gain.
>>729017021China is imperfect. Being poor in the US is a lot better than being poor in China.
>>729014112>why do people act like potable water being turned into shit water is a big deal? it never went anywhere!Man come on.
>>729016975>they're LE BAD!No you fucking assclown, what I'm saying is that your a retard for falling for any of the bullshit that anyone "educated" in this is spewing. All of what your saying have existed since the Roman empire at the very least and their economic theory wasn't built on the modern bullshit of "Lets make more and more convoluted equations to split currency into even smaller fractions of itself! Better yet! Lets make currencies for our currencies so that we can trade while we trade!"
>>729016508>I guess that is why these people get more and more money every year while most countries on earth get poorer and poorer then?Money is nothing more than a fictitious number. Yes, their numbers are getting bigger, but that doesn't mean they are getting more assets. For example, if your wages went up by 20%, but currency inflation went up by 25%, your balance has more money, but in reality you're poorer.
>>729015091Unlike 2008 we quite literally do not have the money to bail out these cocksuckers. And if Trump does it anyway he's going to make the republicans forever have to hold on to this bag of shit for eternity as the party that printed All the Money and doomed us. Of course, not bailing these AI boondoggles out will also plunge the world economy into a deep recession that the party in power will be blamed for, so really 2024 was just a hilariously bad time to gain political power if you're not fully on board tearing apart the current economic system.
>>729017205>your a retardReally?Seems you don't understand any kind of economic theory, either. Especially when you keep defaulting to this hyperbolic histrionics.
>>729017054nah nobody's envious you're rich everybody is fucking furious you're rich because now you're obsessed with having the wealth high score and you're going to pass on this single-minded obsession to your nepo baby son in turn just like literally every rich man that's ever lived"you're jealous" is the absolute most delicious wealthy cope that's ever existed. i am not jealous i am FURIOUS you are not responsible or moral with it. i will not stop until all of your wealth is shredded from you and put into public works and social safety-nets, the things that terrify the rich most because they think having a rich dad they inherited everything from was a personal effort
>>729014860Any day now, etc etc
>>729004390First bitcoin fucks us in the ass, then trumo's tariffs, now this.. THEY want the nerds to suffer. Probably because war is in the air and they need fresh meat for the grinder..
>>729016690>You can't own land in China, it's all owned by the state or collectivesThe CCP is a corporation dumbass, and your eternal CEO is Xi Jinping.
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>>729017323Okay? Then why are there people living in fucking caves and in rooms the size of closets?
>>729017286turns out a political party trying to codify itself into law and grab absolutely all power is literally always a bad move, who knew
>>729015620Wasn’t trump literally going to sell federal land in his Big Beautiful Bill until literally everyone shat on him over it
>>729005172This is the furthest possible thing from socialism you absolute retard. This is capitalism being capitalism.>>729014340>muh free marketCapitalism cannot exist without a state to protect private property. You really think people would just sit around and let a handful of assholes hoard all the wealth and resources if they didn't have the full force of the law backing them?Ancaps/right-wing "libertarians" are manchildren with zero understanding of the world.
>>729017376lol and you cant even own shares, it's private, the only way in it's to become a CCP mandarin.
>>729017450No.
>>729015791>alternatives getting a foot in the door and replacing you.Not going to happen.Things cost too much and the tech too advanced to actually do anything like that.This is the exact scenario that the government breaking up monopolies was designed to prevent.
>>729017242>but that doesn't mean they are getting more assetsHave you just woken up from a fucking coma? We are running into shortages of all kinds RIGHT FUCKING NOW because the filthy rich is using their money to take even bigger shares of the resource pie. Just READ THE FUCKING OP.Besides, if money really was that worthless then how the fuck could Bezos buy entire parts of Venice and keep the people living there away from the very city they own a stake in?
>>729017337>i am not jealous i am FURIOUSRetarded copium speech. You're basically saying "I'm not gay, I'm a homosexual".
>>729004736It's more profitable>collude with fellow ram makers to limit the production in peak demand>sell stuff +∞% of the price>send some ratshit ceo scapegoat into jail for 3 years>go back collecting money
>>729017450Yes lol that anon is a propagandist, probably a pajeet.
I only play factorio and xpiratez . do not care.
>>729017523These aren't rich people caves, you fucking retard.
>>729015620>every time Republicans try to address the bullshit of Chinks owning US farmland,they get called racist stooges by every single other angle of the aisle because it's just concern trolling, we already went through this with the japanese in the 70s and 80s- it does not make *any* sociopolitical sense to try and buy a country piece-by-piece, farmland is farmland, it literally does not matter, buy it back if you're so fucking concerned about it (oh wait the guys bleating about it won't do that, that would mean they have to tend to farmland and run a business instead of appealing to existing landowners)
>>729004736RAM is only for corpos so they can take your job away and destroy the economy when the bubble bursts.
>>729017369I kind of have to wonder how the higher ups will respond when more and more of the younger generations just check out. The younger generations already know that they are essentially fucked and will never have anything, so why should they give a fuck about the country that utterly failed them?They can try to throw them into a meat grinder, but they will probably just kill themselves first.
>>729017558yes??
>>729017523>In commieland living in caves it's actually fine & coolThis sounds like something straight out of a Yakov Smirnoff comic routine.
>>729017054You've got me wrong:I don't think people who provide logistics to businesses don't deserve higher salaries on average than a person who flips burgers, I just think there should be a maximum limit on wealth period. I don't think the fabled "CEO" should make as much or less than an entry-level pawn, but I do think there's a point where wealth becomes vulgar and extravagant. Where we don't just enable but encourage modern business practices to extract MORE and MORE wealth for LESS and LESS product.Look at the auto industry for example, a problem that's been solved for decades now is still constantly expected to expand:The auto industry already failed once because of this, because cars were literally just too reliable. The Government created Cash for Clunkers, a program literally designed to take perfectly good cars, destroy them, and incentivize people to spend money on LE NEW CARS to support the businesses that failed to adapt.Now you have cars that are cheaper and less reliable than ever being sold at higher prices than ever. Companies need to be allowed to fail, and wealth needs to be capped. We have to institute some form of social control or businesses will run rampant over the individual. Airlines failed, what did they do?They pivoted to a money-laundering scheme called "miles" and "points" in cahoots with the banks. Our telecom companies reached this point, became one massive company and started scalping people.The government broke them up, and when they began to fail on their own later own they were handed government subsidies to improve infrastructure and they just restructured the money into bonuses and American telecom infrastructure is now consistently worse than most other 1st world nations and even some third don't even get me started on farming
>>729017638>muh racismYeah... opinion discarded.
>>729017335Hey now, I wasn't the one that jumped the shark in this argument, that was (You) when you started arguing like I hated or didn't understand the concept of currency.
>>729005069>be a doctor>not fantastically rich, but certainly well-off>get yelled at by sick, ungrateful boomers all day>get told I need to work harder by boomer admins who don’t understand the difference between a pdf and an excel sheet, let alone anything about patient care>insurance reimbursing less each year>patients complain that insurance premiums, copays, etc, keep going up, can’t afford treatment anymore>no perks, no morale boost, just come in, work as hard as possible for 10+ hours a day, go home>meanwhile, friends in the bay area work for a company that makes children’s games>they make more money>work less>company provides free lunch, snack bar, hosts parties, generally celebrates their successSociety values entertainment over healthcare. When AI is used for medical science, it will be underfunded, delayed, and when the final product is finally realized, the costs will be so astronomical that no one but the rich will be able to afford it. The best you are going to get from AI with regards to healthcare is a robot that assists you very poorly when you call your insurance.
>>729017738Who was it being sold to?
>>729004390It is more than enough but they'll inflate the requeriments anyways
>>729017675going by current trends their response is basically just rant, rage, threaten and eventually start begging when votes swing away from them basically permanently, see zohran mamdani getting elected- they were SO FUCKING MAD when establishment picks were wildly unpopular
>>729013925so you're talking about a literal pipe dream. waow!!
>>729017793>economists are like... LE DUMB xDDDD because like... fractional reserve banking and like shit brah XDDDD
>>729017675 That’s exactly what’s starting to happen. You’ve got a whole generation that grew up watching their parents get wrecked in 2008, then got saddled with student debt, zero job security, and now can't even afford rent unless they split it 4 ways-why the fuck would they sign up to die for a system that never gave them a shot? The higher-ups think they can just keep recycling "patriotism" and fearmongering, but even that’s running out of gas. Gen Z jokes about unaliving like it’s weather talk. It’s apathy mixed with exhaustion and no exit sign in sight.
>>729017579Resource shortages is the result of huge influxes of bodies into western nations. That's why you're getting poorer, because there's more peasant competition. This conversation is no longer about 1st world silicon technology, it's about everything. You know this, I know you know this, so stop trying to twist the debate into something it isn't anymore.
>>729017825Anyone, it would be up for sale. Usually the highest bidder likely Black rock or foreign investors
>>729004668I was fine until I've started playing games with shitty optimization and bugs which made the game crash for "lack of memory". Most probably it was a memory leak.The game was Rise of the Tomb Raider
>>729017891Mamdani is a bad thing, retard. That means we've reached the critical threshold for idiots without basic understanding of how the world works have outnumbered the ones who do.>>729017956The federal government sells land all the time. Are you new to this?
>>729017903Your just proving my point so please continue
PS5 has 16gb of unified memory, UNIFIED. That means it has to share that 16gb with CPU and GPU as VRAM. 32gb RAM is more than enough for the foreseeable future.
>>729017912yeah it has nothing to do with enormous megacorps sucking up resources for personal endeavors, it's abib who moved in next door in the "nation of immigrants" you should be mad it
>>729013306it's simple. if you don't like corporation A, you go with corporation Bif you don't like the government, you get sent to gulag>>729014340>welfare systemsfor corporations>muh governmentwho do you think keeps lobbying and buying congressmen? hint: it's definitely not the government
>900k wafers>per month>until 2030that's 43.2 million waferswhat are you even trying to build here? literally psychopath behaviour
>>729010304the us passed tax code changes that already give tech companies building data centers more money, the same sort of cash injection that was given to bail out real estate companies in the 2008 recession. so the bubble already has tears
>>729017376It's an oversimplification but the CCP is basically an extremely large Cartel. There's a pretense of rules but power ultimately comes from force and loyalty, political purges, violence, corruption.
>>729018005If your point is that you don't know shit about shit, then sure.>>729018023>muh corpoplations D:<Yeah? And you keep just making the government more powerful so that it can grant them more gibs.
>>729017768I do agree there needs to be a cap on how much personal wealth a single person or family can have, but good luck enforcing that. The thing is it's always the same story with an ultra rich person. They always want more even if they have enough wealth for their family to survive generations on and them getting more usually means someone in a lower class than them is getting less.It doesn't help that the government taxes the middle class out of the ass while the upper class always has work arounds to make sure they pay as little tax as possible.My fucking country docks like 15% of my wage in taxes and I still pay tax on every single fucking product including food.
>>729017997>critical threshold for idiots without basic understanding of how the world works but enough about actually trying to go to bat for andrew fucking cuomo. just say "he's brown so he's bad >:(" next time and i will actually have more respect for you than this "the world works a certain way" breakfast table conversation from my clueless dad who's never had his preconceptions challenged by anything more complex than sanford & son
>>729017516>You really think people would just sit around and let a handful of assholes hoard all the wealth and resources if they didn't have the full force of the law backing them?of course not, they do so only because governments exist. thanks for proving that governments are evil and should be abolished
>>729010805saludo arepabro
I can't fucking believe itif I sell my stock I can actually afford a $1M homewhat the fuck
>>729018124>this is like the le only le thing that le economics like le covers xDD>>729018132>I can't debate why he's good, but I can just call you a racist because you don't like him and that's as deep as my thought process is capable of going. xDD
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>>729018078>the CCP is basically an extremely large CartelAnon learns what a "government" is>OUR GLORIOUS GOVERNMENT>THEIR ABOMINABLE MAFIAHell this is CIA Psyop 101 to claim illegitimacy of foreign governments and then step in like the USA is supposed to be world police
>16gb ram>indie master race>every new game I play runs perfectlyJust dont play AAAslop.
>>729017912>You see, it's your (and every immigrants) fault that we don't have resources so that the wealthiest people among us can buy up 50%+ of everything on the planet, it's not like this process has taken decades and it was only recently that Altoidman wanted to buy all RAM on the planet!Careful anon, you almost let your mask slip there.
>>729017675This is why I'm not too concerned about the war machine starting back up again. You die for your country in an unjust war if your country is providing for you and yours. A lot of people can grin and bear soulless regime change that doesn't personally affect them one way or another in their entire existence so long as they are promised a job, home, and healthcare when they get back. And if they don't, their loved ones get those privileges. Now you can go to war for the evil empire, get fucked up, and your VA healthcare is gutted, normal healthcare is somehow worse, priced out of all homes not in Bumfuck, Nowhere, and the jobs are all customer service. I wouldn't die for America in the same way I wouldn't die for Costco. I enjoy shopping there, but the moment gunshots are popping off, good luck and I hope you used all that money you made to protect yourself.
>>729017387I like this picture because Hong Kong has one of the largest housing crisis in the world. Did you forget that fire that happened like a month ago?
>>729017516Bro go find the post where I said I'm an an-cap. You can't, because you're a gay.
>>729018094you don't understand cause and effectthe government is not the cause of corporations trampling over your rights. it's the corporations themselvesif you remove the govenrment, corpos, bankers, and rich tycoons will just hire their own militia, run their own courts, set up their own police, etc. and you'll have no rights because there's no state backing themyou're basically blaming guns for people's deaths instead of the shooter
>>729017970I've played shit like Silent Hill 2 remake with no problem, and that was a mess regarding optimization
>>729018105I hear ya brother, and that's all I'm saying.I don't want a Commie or a Fascist nation, I don't think anyone should have absolute control.But God damn it we are a democratic nation and we should be able to decide as a group that too much is too much. If we are going to be this big American nation and we're going to identify as Americans it needs to mean something besides "how am I going to succeed while others fail" and maybe something more like "how do we as a people succeed"
>>729017768Your arguments don't have any merit because you leave out a crucial point, in that we consent to it. No one is forcing people to buy cars. No one is forcing people to use airplanes. These are all luxury goods that people choose to get. Most of people's problems are self inflicted, and just as many are in denial of it. We used to make films taking the piss out of our consumer rat race society, but today's generation appears to be oblivious to it.
>>729018261>if we didn't have kabwillionairs everything would be perfect and then we could have fifty katrillion brown people here and it would be fine YOU RACIST>>729018306>muh cause and effectAs a stupid communist, this concept was never in your wheel house to begin with.
>>729018021They contribute, but there is nothing stopping you from scaling upwards in your plot of land is there.
>>729018353>today's generation appears to be oblivious to ittoday's generation is painfully aware of the fact they can't afford anything, social safety nets are dissolving or have dissolved, the geriatric elite are torching everything on their way out, and nobody has any interest in actually helping the american populacethey aren't making films because they are but you're not looking in the right places
>>729011948>i love being white>while posting the niggest desk ever???
>>729018390>ignores arguments>no uI accept your concession>communism badhilarious how you're ok with starving as long as you're not under ebul gommunism
>>729018078>CCP is basically an extremely large CartelThe story of every government.
>>729018052That is literally the point, OpenAI will NEVER have the space or resources to use all of those wafers, they are literally just committing corporate warfare in order to starve out the competition, we are one step removed from the oil cartels and cyberpunk behavior here. Next time he might not have the money so he'll just send bombs strapped with explosives into the wafer buildings instead.
>>729018446are you seriously trying the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" line of argument? newsflash retard those guys making things hard for you all had rich dads, they were sharted out into a bed of gold weaved silk when they were born. "land of opportunity" means you can afford beef unlike back in italy in 1923.
>>729018353>These are all luxury goods that people choose to getWe are seeing a shift though. It's why smart phone companies were bitching earlier this year that their sales were down because people are choosing to use their current smart phones for longer because they don't want to buy/have the monthly contract fee for a new phone because they simply don't have the money.This is why this whole AI thing is going to blow up in their faces, because people don't want to pay for that, and if people don't have money then any company selling a product is going to be fucked because if prices keep going up then a normal person is just going to go "Yeah. I do want that, but I cannot afford that" and even people who are choosing to debtmaxx are going to hit a point where they have no more credit to use.
>>729017390im sure there are horror stories in mainland china but hong kong has fucktons of hellhole living spaces because the property is state owned but they're colluding with elites to only make places to rent for real estate companies and they're shitstomping anyone who isn't a millionaire
>>729018480I'm not starving. Nobody here is starving. Everyone here is fat as fuck and there's more food in one grocery store in the US than there was in the entire USSR at any given time.
>>729017903>economists are like... LE DUMBYes, true.
>>729018452Tiktok does not qualify as 'films'
>>729018564Alright. Then tell me how you're going to make the economy work without money, loans, creditors, rents, and investors.
>>729018353>because some people are complicit your arguments don't have meritThis is the "you participate in society, curious" argument, honestly. My arguments have merit because of their logic--and I stand by that. Yes, I can agree that media in the 80s and 90s was significantly more anti-establishment. I can agree that movies like the Matrix and Fight Club and Taxi Driver expressed what it felt like for men to live in an artificial world driven by profit and the laziness of others blah blah.But I also see the consistent argument against zoomers on this website is that their media is too blatantly anti-corporate and anti-capitalist, end-stage capitalism is literally a buzzword around here and Twitter. You literally had an entire culture war where kids were trying to start a co-op farm in Portland and got mocked by capitalist cronies who don't realize that kids don't know how to farm because our corporate society has valued self-sustenance as literally seditious in nature. YOU WOULD HURT THE GROCERY STORE'S PROFITS?
>>729018569yeah deliberately ignoring the media the current generation is producing is not helping your case here>i don't get it where are all the blockbuster films from these impoverished zoomersretard
>>729018245>>729018494Political power comes from the consent of the governed, not the will of a dictator. Cartel is apt to describe China because it's a dictatorship, the power comes from naked violence pointed at the population and their will to life is too weak to fight back from demoralization. Sad, but thats the way it is.
>>729004736Build your own RAM, chuddy
>>729018569So you want specifically hundred million dollar blockbusters about it? Well there’s a problem with funding, isn’t it?>why aren’t the poor simply pooling all of their resources to create anti-rich art instead of eating and having shelter
>>729018261Nigger, there are places in the world that are experiencing water shortages that never used to have them. That's because more people means fewer resources for the individual. Can you even divide?
>>729018619Not that anon.Just saying, it's true.
>>729018674Then you're a retard, too.
>>729018624A co-op farm in which literally nobody is educated on how to far is funny. We still have the internet, any of those performative communists could have become educated.
>>729018470My desk cost 500+ you EBT chimp.
>>729018643I don't think you really planned to post anything but this and the two replies you got didn't give you much wiggle-room for it
>>729018668You're dealing with a person who doesn't understand cause, and effect, supply and demand, or how resources work. Their entire worldview is>IF GOBBERMENT TAKE FROM RICH PERSON ME LIFE GET BETTERER
This feels like some guy hoarding aluminium just before the discovery of the Hall–Héroult process.There's a huge bounty for cheap and scaling silicon refining right now ( the machines for the wafers can just be pirated ).
>>729018390>YOU RACISTI don't want Abdul or Rashit to take my job either, but I'm not the one shipping people like them in on boats in the millions with the help of government bought visas. I also have way more in common with those two silly characters anyway, so I would rather go on a headhunting spree for shareholders with them than slave away in Bezos'es warehouses for the rest of my life.
>>729018668This is why I will never understand the screeching about birth rates. We need less damn people in this world. The line cannot keep going up because we are already running into a resource issue and data centers using water is going to make that issue even worse.
>>729018768>IF GOBBERMENT TAKE FROM RICH PERSON ME LIFE GET BETTERERIf I misspell it and complain you're a retard it will suddenly not make sense!
>>729018768I still don’t understand how having ten and hundred-billionaires walking around improves my life at all. It doesn’t even improve THEIR lives.
>>729009041Its also going to keep big tech on the Republican side for the foresable future because all the data centers rely on cheap and subsidized energy. Any Dem running on a green platform will be seen as a Defcon 1 threat by Big Tech going forward. Its why if you haven't noticed, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders have completely dropped out of the spotlight all together. Big Tech are censoring the shit of them now to the point people forgot they even exist.
>>729018692You must be a big name beloved by your fellow economists with how stupid you are.
>>729018820The people who are concerned about resource usage are also not the people shitting out legions of children. The problems with birthrates are which countries are increasing in size.
>>729018515I don't give a fuck about some people having extreme holdings of wealth. All I care about is being content in my own small holding. The root problem for you is that you have a serious case of envy, like millionaires complaining about billionaires.
>>729018754Definitely, and there's a huge conversation of the nature of the internet and it's effect on the generations that grew up with it. Hell there's really a conversation to be had on the social skills of people in the 90s who used the internet versus kids now. I digress.The point being is that people would openly mark these kids for not knowing the basics of cultivation when it was something that was passed down from patron to progeny in the past.We have created useless people, we sit kids down in front of iPads and then sneer at them when they grow up thinking "there has to be more than just making money until you die". Useless adults who can't cultivate their own food mocking zoomers for being unable to use skills that they weren't taught by their adults.Children have to be raised, they do not raise themselves simply because the internet is there.
>>729018797Amazing that you think they're not going to behead you for being a faggot kaffir.
>>729004390>tfw got 48gb ddr5 ram and a slightly below MSRP 4080 super around a year agoSimply euphoric
>>729018853So basically because you no like, that mean grug need destroy?
>>729004390What is the monthly wafer output of those two firms?
>>729009041>Trump gave AI a total free pass on regulation which is why big tech all flipped on the dems and backed him in 2020Is your timeline of events confused? They blacklisted him for the whole January 6 fiasco.
>>729018853It doesn't, there are people so incomprehensibly wealthy that taxing them 75% of their total, actual wealth would still leave them in the top 100 richest people aliveThere's a couple US states that introduced a wealth tax of something like 1% and those policies have already raked in so much money they can afford public works that they wouldn't have been able to otherwise and the living situation has improved for people so much that even the rich affected by it who've been ranting about moving to Texas to get out from under it haven't budged a bit, turns out rich people like living in nice places too even if they won't contribute to it without having their money forcibly taken from them
>>729018928Anon, it is completely worth mocking them for not even attempting to cultivate cornerstone skills to achieve significant economic actions. They are openly trying to go against society, and they thought the society they are trying to separate from would have equipped them with the tools to do so? It’s a failure of completeness on the thinking of the separatist party. It indicates them as know-nothings that think themselves intelligencia, and it’s worthy of scorn.
>>729007572/threadNot buying any RAM for the coming 20 years btw.
>>729019012So even you don’t have any reasons why it benefits me? Well I can name how it disadvantages me and how their ascension to such a wealth state disadvantaged myself and others, so why shouldn’t I be of the opinion that it needs to end?
>>729018624>But I also see the consistent argument against zoomers on this website is that their media is too blatantly anti-corporate and anti-capitalist, end-stage capitalism is literally a buzzword around here and Twitter. You literally had an entire culture war where kids were trying to start a co-op farm in Portland and got mocked by capitalist cronies who don't realize that kids don't know how to farm because our corporate society has valued self-sustenance as literally seditious in nature.>YOU WOULD HURT THE GROCERY STORE'S PROFITS?Cry me a river bitch. Did those co-op farmers try again, or did they just quit after a single try?
>>729018949It's part of the narrative that they're not thinking beings and they're just violent rape golems, innit
I never once managed to get any game to use more than 20 GB of ram.And i imagine most of this shit was background apps as well.The closest i got to 28 GB or Ram being used was fit-girl repacks.PS5 uses 16 gb of ram and its unfed ram that the GPU also has to use alongside the system.Chances are PS6 will have 32 and this sill be the next golden standard for the next 8 or more years.PC is superior to consoles in most ways but i do appreciate that console existing does in fact hold back unnecessary forced grafical advancements meaning gaming PCs are now good for gaming for 8 years instead of having to upgrade every 3-4 years.
>>729019042There are people so incomprehensibly stupid that they think if they take 75% of the wealth from the rich, that it's not going to incentivize them to fuck off somewhere else. >>729019126It hasn't harmed you at all.
>>729019146>narrativeYou are already dead, kaffir.
>>729018904The political ambiguity allowed the HK provisional government to fuck the entire housing market top to bottom, it's a really interesting read if you look into it. Hence why you have these massively overpopulated condos with like 8 people living in them and they're all worth millions of dollars, while there are MORE MONKEYS THAN HUMAN BEINGS in all of hong kong because of how underdeveloped the land is. The highrise condos just stop and turns into raw untamed jungle for miles.Yeah, it's not China and probably wont be for a long long time.
>>729018668You mean places that are suspectible to droughts and are scarce in water in the first place? Nobody really expects that those living in highly dry climates will ever have their own fill of needs in terms of water sufficiency. Same goes for many areas with few freshwater lakes and reservoirs to begin with. In comparison there are plenty of countries that continue to produce freshwater sources in sizes that would fill the needs of the entire planet for decades in the case of a completely destructive drought and atmospheric collapse.
>>729018927>All I care about is being content in my own small holding. The root problem for you is that you have a serious case of envy, this actually makes no sense even from a peasant's point of view!>you're just jealous of the rich fuckers that are obsessed with making things worse and won't leave you alone no matter what
>>729018668I don't live on fucking Africa anon and if you haven't noticed, births have declined in the last 4 decades and for the first time since the industrial revolution, humanities growth trend have actually changed course again but this time it's leveling out and in another 30 years it's going to start falling VERY quickly.Besides, the leading change of resource availability has actually been driven by climate change and depletion in those countries and do you know where all of its going? To the first world my nigga, even the people are coming here for that exact same reason and I'm not the one welcoming them, it's Musk and his cronies all giving out H1B visas like they are candy
>>729004390this is good because it doesnt benefit me and my life will be worse because of it fuck the trannies
>>729019054Anon, children do not raise themselves.This is basic development. Children are taught their values and skills to them by the major influences in their life. Children aren't born with and don't suddenly realize the importance of cultivating skills, they don't have a flashbang moment where they realize the importance of trying and trying again. A child who becomes aware of his political ideology at 20, who was never taught how to cultivate food or a skill, doesn't suddenly become an expert simply by reading the instructions on the internet. And someone who is mocked by others doesn't suddenly have some movie-tier inspirational turnaround. Take a single glance at statistics of success in broken homes for example. Children overwhelmingly do not "break the cycle and achieve success", children from poor educational backgrounds with poor resources on average FAIL. This is a basic Rightoid talking point, I remember Shapiro and other talking heads constantly reminding us that the primary markers of success for kids is finishing high school and having both parents in the home. >CRY ME A RIVERThis sort of stepping on each other "sucks to suck" mentality is emblematic of why American children are failing.
>>729019296The "rich fuckers" are not out to get you.
>>729004390Should have bought a black Friday prebuilt
>>729019187It has tangibly robbed me of resources I could have otherwise attained.>they’ll fuck off somewhere elseThen kill them? I don’t actually need them to continue being alive, they don’t benefit me.
>>729018820>This is why I will never understand the screeching about birth ratesLargely propaganda from the state because it is a ponzi scheme. The population must forever grow, otherwise the whole system comes down.
Surely I'll get UBI out of this, right? All these funds and sacrifices must lead to something positive, RIGHT?
>>729019187>There are people so incomprehensibly stupid that they think if they take 75% of the wealth from the rich, that it's not going to incentivize them to fuck off somewhere else.If you take 75% of their wealth by force I really don't think it matters if they fuck off, that's so much money that each and every state government in the US could do whatever they wanted for decades, or hell last indefinitely if they had a tight belt.
>>729005190I can't believe some AI slop is one of the greatest things I have ever seen.
>>729019367No, it doesn't work that way.>>729019384You could take the personal wealth of every billionaire and still not close the spending deficit for a single year, you dumb troon.
>>729019346and yet somehow i am just jealous of them, curious. whoever started this line of argument that "you're just jealous" is the biggest bitchiest teenaged girl alive
>>729019042>>729019187The biggest irony is that Rich people nowadays primarily make money from leching off the Government and taxpayers while priding the public whit new ways to rot tier mind or be lazy fucks.If anything getting the Elite to leave your country would probably improve the economy.But i think a better solution is to just do a Little revolution.China and France had revolutions and it improved their countries considerably.Same shit happened to USA ironically. Imagine he golden age a new revolution would bring.
>>729018950>got a 3060 ti for $1500 in the plandemic daysI want to kick myselfonly saving grace is it's now more expensive than that in local currency thanks to inflation
The question is, will we start seeing games that push 32GB RAM?
>>729018949Oh they will, don't get me wrong, I have NOTHING in common with them, except for one thing I guess, my hate for greedy leeches.
>>729019438>still not close the spending deficit for a single year,This is such a brazen lie when we're talking about state governments holy shitCalling me the funny Kiwi Farms word at the end is the cherry on top of the retard sundae
>>729019438Yes, it works that way.>it wouldn’t close the spending deficitA lot of that deficit directly funds billionaires.
>>729019483they will, but I'd be more concerned by VRAM on the short term. deferred rendering is cancer that needs to go away
>>729007213>he thinks bailouts are about jobs or common good
>>729019287>You mean places that are suspectible to droughts and are scarce in water in the first place?No. I'm talking actual countries that never had water shortages like Britain. The construction of reservoirs and sanitation plants can't keep up with the influx of migrants.
>>729019483I think it'll take a long time. The RAM shortage means the PS6 will either be pushed back or have a limited amount of RAM. Either way means 32GB will be healthy for a long time.
>>729019491That one thing in common is already more in common than you have with shareholders and elites
>>729019267Idk, I think the green shit they didn't built on is mountains that would be very problematic in general to build on.
>>729019379They jangle UBI in front of the proles to keep them pacified while the rich steal their jobs out from under them. "Automation will be so productive that we'll have abundance for everyone, so we'll just distribute it via UBI and everyone wins." sounds great but it smuggles a few assumptions. it assumes the productivity gains will be shared rather than captured, but thats not now it works, capital accumulates to capital.
>>729017912Unchecked immigration is a hallmark of capitalist greed. It only benefits the rich and the immigrant themselves (because their standards are so low already). Billionaires love this brown-black lumpenproletariat. They spend millions of taxpayers money importing and housing immigrants because it benefits the rich fucks on top and we as the people have to pay the social cost of it - lack of social cohesion, none existing job security, housing shortage, crime (especially violent crime). It's privatization of profits and socialization of costs - classic capitalism. Immigration obliterates the value of labor, it destroys trade unions, it causes housing prices to skyrocket, it makes organized resistance against capitalist tyranny impossible .
>>729019507>>729019514State governments? The states themselves are 200 billion in debt. Then you have the federal government which is 40 trillion in debt, and runs a near trillion dollar budget deficit every year. Are you going to take it all from the corporations next? Then what? The entire economy collapses, and now everyone's fucking starving. You people are so fucking dumb it's almost frightening.
>>729019379Every single rich person is a greedy fuck who just wants more. Why do you think they would want to support UBI when the cost of UBI would mean that they would definitely have to pay some form of tax.
>>729019338They stopped being children a while ago, and had time within their commune to realize their lack of knowledge. Stepping bravely forward to try to do something you have no idea how to do is hubris, and they could have delayed themselves by a mere couple of years to learn. I don’t think the capacity for self-reflection and critical thinking is so absent that it cannot be expected of the population.
>>729019621>mass immigration is because of capitalistsOkay but right now the "capitalists" are trying to stop it and the communists (antifa) are fighting ICE to keep the immigration going.
>>729019621>Unchecked immigration is a hallmark of capitalist greedHave you seen what the socialist Labour party has done in the UK anon? You should pay attention to what socialists actually do, not what they tell you.
>>729019650I don't think you quite comprehend what taxes are supposed to do>Are you going to take it all from the corporations next?A lot of that federal deficit is from corps suckling at the government teat in the first place so yeah>The entire economy collapsesLmfao you're an idiot, you WILL NOT blame a corporation under any circumstances
>>729019650Again, much of our spending goes to propping up extremely wealthy individuals who have lobbied for it to be so. Seizing the wealth of billionaires and turning them into paltry ten-millionaires while closing the pathways they used to scam the wealth in the first place will go far to fix our corrupt state system. We can do weeding ourselves.
>>729019621Answer me this anon. Why are leftists/socialists/communists all for open boarders?
>>729019774Because I'm not stupid. If you want to know what the US government takes in on taxes, and what it spends them on, you can see for yourself. It's not a state secret, you fucking moron.
>>729019714Is that how the ICE are framing it? They mostly seem like soldier LARPers and I keep hearing of a preposterously high suicide rate among the ones that aren't genuinely just there to bully brown people
>>729019714Trump literally just opened a program where companies can pay 2 million bucks so they can speed up getting their H1B Indian into America faster. They fucking love immigrants and the entire thing that Trump's administration is doing is just a diversion.
>>729019714The capitalists are screaming about H1Bs and still want cheap exploitable third world laborers. They also are funding the activist efforts to halt ICE, almost certainly.
>>729019714That's because there are no commies in the US only anarcho-capitalists and useful idiots with two different colored shirts.
>>729019841Yeah none of that is relevant at all to a theoretical wealth tax or even a total seizure of assets against the upper eliteYou WILL NOT blame a corporation under any circumstances
>>729019735All of these parties called shit like that in UK are capitalist and authoritarian.
>>729012101It's amazing that when corporations say "oh good, we won't have to hire you", these people think "oh good, I won't have to work" as if they're going to reap the benefits of the thing that replaced them. There is no mechanism by which the hypothetical future of robots and AI doing everything leads to the would-be human workers having food. The closest thing would be communism which has never worked and won't be implemented by the elites who literally just escaped the need to pay humans. If they were going to let everyone have free shit then they wouldn't have invested trillions in the technology to let 99.99% of the world starve without the 0.01% losing their luxuries.
>>729019540What the fuck are you babbling about? I can understand Britain having issues with freshwater as the country is a fucking waterlogged island with very few notable freshwater lakes in sizeable reservoirs. I'm talking more about places like Golden Belt Russia and Finland, which have freshwater reservoirs that have continued to remain bountiful since the Ice Age and continue to retain absolutely massive reservoirs. If you're talking pollution (solely) you would have to produce would be more akin to what Americans do on their own freshwater reserves (polluting the groundwater) or Indians to the Ganges which would largely still take such large lakes anywhere between hundreds and thousands of years to put into a complete state of disrepair.
>>729019912These two thoughts seem disconnected and contradictory
>>729019847Motherfucker you can see all the riots for yourself on live streams. They've been going on for months, you retard.>>729019920Those things don't work and would cause irreparable harm.>>729019819No, that's fucking stupid.
>>729017997>The federal government sells land all the time. Are you new to this?Yeah they shouldn’t do that, in particular the BBB was going to sell things like nation parks
>>729019960Nigger I literally used Britain as a prime example of water shortages because it never used to have them until mass migration. Again, can you even fucking divide.
>>729020013>wealth taxes don't workLmaoooooooooooooooooooooo>irreparable harmI hope you find where you put your soul before ripping it out to play devil's advocate
>>729019982Why? The need for consistency in displayed activity is not recognized by people who wish to gain and maintain fantastic wealth. When I say “screaming about H1Bs”, I mean in favor of them.>>729020013Thrilling rebuttal, slave.
>>729019582The land is kept artificially scarce by the CCP to keep the value of the condos high. Those mountains could be easily developed into 600 story highrises, they choose not to.
>>729020129Yes, taking 75% of the rich's wealth is a stupid idea. It'll be a one-time injection of money and then next year you'll be back to where you started. Or worse.
>>729019952>All of these parties called shit like that in UK are capitalist and authoritarianGo and tell them that. You're delusional, or they're all delusional.
>>729015081What's any of that gonna do for me though
>>729020110>He thinks that any of the shit stinking Indians and Muslims actually use water for anything other than drinking and cooking in the first placelol, lmao even. It's not like the Brits infrastructure has spent the better part of 50 years falling apart at the seams or anything
>>729019673Logic isn't inherent, it's taught.Importance isn't inherent, it's taught. If these kids lacked the scruples to educate themselves it's because their parents failed to impress it upon them, it's because society failed to impress it upon them, it's because their state and church failed them.You wouldn't know the value and importance of skills if it wasn't taught to you, exemplified in the world around you. Education is extremely important. Mocking people for failing something others weren't even willing to try is foolish.
>>729020225imagine being such a fucking sucker for surface aesthetic and names that you actually believe anything that calls itself socialist is socialist
>>729020216Okay, now we stop them from gaming the system to claw their way back into being worth more than small countries but with no financial obligations. Look, the money stays in the system because a new billionaire doesn’t just gather it again!
>>729020329Again. New reservoirs and sewage treatment plants being built can't keep up with the influx of mass migration. Guess what happens when those migrants will be sent home?
>>729020225>they're all delusionalThis.
>>729020386NYOOOOOOOOO MY BILLIONAIRE MASTERS DESERVE THEIR WEALTHIF I KISS THEIR ASSES HARD ENOUGH I'LL JOIN THEM SOME DAYYYYY
>>729020386Or they fuck off to another system and leave yours behind.Or they quit. They give up being billionaires and go become normal people. Congrats, dumbass. Your pay piggy is gone.
>>729020429>everyone is delusional but meMakes me chuckle every time when I see it.
>>729020013>Those things don't work and would cause irreparable harm.
>>729009869>incompetent jeetThat's the only kind.
>>729020425>Guess what happens when those migrants will be sent home?You wake up and the bong government is still corrupt as fuck and easily swayed against its own problems by meddling in Irish government some more
>>729020497Lies.
>>729020336Society led to them adopting their communist worldview, why would they have broken away from the milieu so completely in one way but not have the ability to reflect upon their lack of knowledge in others? If they read Das Kapital once and decided Marx was right, they aren’t learned communists, they are idiots that read a single book.
>>729020460>They give up being billionaires and go become normal people.This might be the most delusional post in the entire thread.
>>729020460>or they leaveSeize their wealth on the way out>or they quitWhere will their wealth go when they quit? If your answer is “they keep it”, they didn’t quit. They are still billionaires.
>>729020110What? It's the poorest example because you're adding together things like sewaging with solely blaming water pollution on water shortages. The real reason is a combination of poor sewaging systems and urban planning, not the lack of water per say. It isn't a 1:1 ratio, even then the reservoir of freshwater isn't a zero sum game where your water suddenly runs out. To put it in perspective, the Englishmen have been literally shitting and polluting into the Thames for the past 2500+ years and it's still cleaned itself from refuse over the years. What you're lacking an understanding is the fact that freshwater is the one renewable resource in places where reservoirs and weather permit rainfall. Are you seriously retarded or something?
>>729020571Right. They're just going to keep playing the game in your rigged system where you punish them for being successful.They would never just throw their hands up and walk away from it all. No totally that would never happen.
>>729019621>Okay but right now the "capitalists" are trying to stop it fat chance. the US has granted more H1B visas than everif they really wanted to stop it, they'd make sure people in turd world countries have livable wages. the other face of the illegal migration coin is organized crime (cartels, gangs, etc.), but that's a separate matter
>>729015978>picWillful means stubborn
>>729020638Looks like you didn't put your soul on a shelf for these posts, you put your testicles there.
>>729020497How the fuck did John Rockefeller have an inflation-adjusted net worth of $700 billion if he was paying 92% taxes?
>>729020614So basically your system is just revolving around robbing people at this point.How are you not just simply a being of envy and jealousy?
>>729020425Your talking about housing anon, not infrastructure. One or two sufficiently sized sewage treatment plants would actually fix a lot of the problem, but it's not being built because no one can afford to build them and the ones that CAN afford it are all sitting in London on their hoards of money like dragons and threatening to fly away with it if anyone touches any of it.
>>729020638Yes, there is no way they would give up having that kind of power. You said it yourself, the first instinct is to retain their hoard and try to take it somewhere that won’t attempt to take it.
>>729020621This is some crazy copium and London isn't the entire country. Low quality bullshit anon.
>>729019835Because those labels mean nothing. There are gay national socialist nowadays even thou Hitler and his boys would throw those fags into concentration camps. It's not the labels or words that matter, but deeds. Take a look at modern social-democratic parties. Their economic policies are just cookie cutter neoliberal drivel favoring the rich over the working people. In practice they are no different from the mainstream "conservative", "libertarian" or "nationalist" parties. They all vote for increased immigration (legal or illegal), for tax cuts for the rich (and tax increase for the working class), more government surveillance (to hinder resistance) and bailouts for private companies.They simply use different language and meaningless slogans to justify it. None of the present so called socialist parties desire any actual socialism. They don't advocate for class struggle, they don't demand the socialization of the means of production, they are liberals painted red who want to keep capitalist exploitation going, nothing more.
>>729019841>what the US government takes in on taxes, and what it spends them on, you can see for yourself.Oh I've seen it. They spend 20% of all tax revenue on paying interestThey add 2 trillion more debt each year which they will have to pay interest on tooRegular people pay the bulk of the taxesCorporations don't pay muchRich people who just own stocks, never sell them, and take new loans out against their stocks as collateral (not income, but technically debt, so therefore not taxed) don't pay much either
>>729020670Nice female shaming tactic.>not wanting to upend the entire economy for my jealousy? small dick energy shaking my head for real
>>729020689Because it was all tied up in real estate and stocks and not actually sitting in a bank somewhere.
>>729004390retards on /g/ kept trying to stop me from boughtening 64gb of ram 6000mhz cl30>you wont need it bro>use case? ebassi.png>why not 32gb? are you stupid?>you can upgrade later bro>go for the cheaper ram and get a better (insert other component here)Whos laughing now idiots
>>729020706Anon, their gains were ill-gotten to begin with. I don’t care if they lose it. They can have 50 million dollars left, I don’t really care, that’s enough for them to live life on easy street until they die.
>>7290207641% of the country pays 40% of the taxes, retard.
>>729020386>stop them from gaming the system to claw their way back into being worth more than small countries but with no financial obligationsthey'll just park their money abroad at tax havens and bribe anyone in their way if they have to. you're really stupid
>>729020832>their gains were ill-gottenYeah, you're a jealous loser.
>>729020848And they’re still billionaires. Clearly they need to pay more. Amassing a thousand million dollars should not be possible.
>>729020709>Your talking about housing anon, not infrastructureNo, I'm only talking about infrastructure because a shortage of housing is overused. The example of water shortages in Britain hits home because it is a region of the world that has never had water shortages until mass immigration. That's why I'm using it because none of you can dance around the reality of it.
>>729020913Why? Because that upsets you? You think you should be a thousandmillionaire? Why? Because your ego says so?
>>729020891Okay, then we kill them and seize it. Saying>they’ll just cheat the system again and again to retain fabulous wealthIsn’t a gotcha. It’s a reiteration of my point that this has to be done.
>>729011034You shouldn't take anything they say seriously because they'll switch from>The jews are taking away our vidya and want us to own nothing. I love freedom and I hate social credit scores. Why did you make me participate in culture wars, I only wanted to play video games!to>Jews are based and redpilled. I love Palantir! You don't "need" the next new thing, also video games are degeneracy anyway so it's a not a big deal. on a dime
>>729020848Why don't you actually look at the chart and see that's not true.Rich people don't have significant payroll or income.Jeff Bezos famously gets paid like $70,000 a year.Their wealth is in stocks and other assets, which aren't taxed unless you sell them, so they don't sell them and just infinitely take out loans against them, which isn't taxed since it's debt.
>>729020537Because understanding principles like capital and property don't translate to family values, you can see the worm in the core of American Marxists ideologies is the dissolving of the nuclear family which is a woefully retarded idea, while understanding how capital is used to leverage social status is a brilliant realization. So like you say, just having access to internet doesn't make them smart enough to realize the patterns and habits that produce success. This is taught in the formative years of a child's life. The habits you form as a child are the most influential over your entire life. If your parents fail to teach you the value of things, you will either arrive to them on your own or struggle to realize them. So I'd ask you to take a step back and consider:What are the markers for success in American culture? What are kids taught is important in today's society? Is it thinking for yourself? Is it making enough money to afford cool things? Is success working hard and learning how to think for yourself or is it striking it rich quickly by conforming to trends and buying cool things?You tell me what you think modern American children are exposed to.
>>729020972>kill off nearly half of your tax revenue out of petty jealousy>wonder why everything has suddenly gone to shit>scream "REAL COMMUNISM WASN'T TRIED"
>Just tax the rich to fund neetbux for allSure, but those ebin rich people still need a sizable influx of capital to fund all that
>>729019012Ideally yes burn it all down until it just werks or we're all dead
>>729020960>whyBecause it tangibly harms the world to hoard that much wealth in a single person’s arbitrary ego, and it was scraped off the back of people more deserving of it.>you think you should be a thousandmillionaireNo, not really. I couldn’t spend that kind of money in a hundred lifetimes.
>>729021020>Rich people don't have significant payrollDo you even know what payroll taxes are?
>>729020757What? Even if it was the entirety of the country, it's still similar everywhere on the globe. Water shortages happen in regions with drought and heavy lack of freshwater sources or wellsprings, not because certain countries have issues with their infrastructure. You consistently mixing the two and then calling anyone who corrects your approach a retard. The issue is in reverse. The water is plentiful, the infrastructure to handle sewage treatment varies from country to country and can thus lead to shortages on potable water from a tap. Even then, most countries have to deal with shipped freshwater/spring water from other sources like most of the desert climate on the planet.
>>7290210951) That's not how they get rich. They're not billionaires because they paid you $7/hr to wash dishes instead of $1000 like you think you deserved.2) Stop lying. It's all down to jealousy.
>>729020930Anon, do you actually know how many immigrants have been through England before and now? I'll tell you right now that it shouldn't be enough to cause that kind of crisis on its own, the water has vanished for reasons other than "+5mil Abduls".They certainly aren't helping things but multiple Brits have been sounding the alarm about water shortages for decades now and it hasn't been until recently that any politician has actually taken it seriously.
>>729021020>Their wealth is in stocks and other assets, which aren't taxed unless you sell themThat might change with politicians beating the drum of taxing unrealized gains.
>>729021030>half of your tax revenueAt that point they were still gaining money every year, so clearly the influx of funds is worth far more than their taxes.
>>729021204An idea so stupid that even the Swedes, the monumental retards that they are, realized it doesn't work and stopped it.
>>729021183>Anon, do you actually know how many immigrants have been through England before and now?Yes I do. In a single year, there has been more immigration to England than there has been from 1066 to 1950. That's a fact.
I see no problem, just print more money 24/7 or mabe find a better economic system
>>729021230>STOP HAVING MORE MONEY THAN ME REEEEEEEEEEShut up, retard.
>>729020779you were called nutless, not tiny-penisinsecure much?.........................
>>729021173They are explicitly billionaires because they optimized the systems of their businesses and investments in order to squeeze average people for as much money as humanly possible>you’re just jealousI can see the state of the world and the state of the fabulously rich, and I do not see how they are positively contributing.
