>Valve’s new AI-based VAC anti-cheat system in CS2 has come under scrutiny after thousands of reports of false bans targeting legitimate users rendering them unable to play, including professional Counter-Strike playersWho was in the wrong here /v/?
>>729005293I have sunk cost fallacy and Stockholm syndrome from putting all my eggs into one basket, so I'll lick the corporation boot.
>>729005293I would rather trust the decision of the new AC than the words of a thirdie who tells you that he didn't and doesn't cheat(they do).
>Who was in the wrong here /v/?All those who play video games "professionally"
>>729005293>I totally don’t cheat I’m a pro-gamerThe words of a cheater
>>729005293It all boils down to what you trust more: do you trust AI to be accurate 100% of the time? Or do you trust professional players to not cheat at CS2?And the answer for both is no.
>>729005293I can respect Valves commitment to their non-intrusive VAC system and I will always side against these whiney CS2 playershonestly I kidna get it why Gabe doesnt really respect the community. Its easily the most anti-valve community and their complainining boils down to>start a game>die>WTF THE GUY IS HACKING MOOOOOOOOOOOM>UNPLAYABLE WHERE IS MY FUCKING KERNEL ANTICHEAT MOOOOOM I CANNOT FUCKING DIE ITS IMPOSSIBLE MOOOOM
>>729005340>>729005350>>729005368>>729005424>>729005478>valve literally admitted they gave out faulty bans>they claimed they "reversed" them>said accounts are still banned and new players keep getting faulty bansWhy are valve bootlickers like this
>>729005957>Literally said nothing about Valve in my post>WHY ARE VALVEBOTLICKERS LIKE TIHS???I see this was a ragebait thread. You're really fucking shit at this mate. Try again tomorrow
>>729005957So the actual cheaters are still banned?
>>729006079no, the actual cheaters were never touched
I'm so glad I don't play russianslop like CS and can enjoy cheater-free gaming
>>729005293>false bans targeting legitimate users rendering them unable to play, including professional Counter-Strike players>thinking pros don't use cheats
>>729005293>professional players cryingdef cheaters
>>729005957if you play on a team with a cheater you are not innocent
>>729005293No indie award for cs2. cs2 is such a piece of shit that it truly doesn't deserve any award really
Valve has always said (and followed through) with the idea that if an anticheat has a non zero banrate, theyll undo all the bans and start over again.If people stay banned after the oops we fucked up phase theyre cheaters
>>729005293The players for enabling the modern state of multiplayer games.
>>729005293>professional Counter-Strike players>not all cheatersAnyway I am sure all the anti Ai fags will totally boycott steam and valve now instead of hyping up le heckin ebin fat man as he new jesus christ.
>>729005350This. Cheating is way more rampant than people can even fathom. Im willing to bet that on average there is more than 1 cheater per match of cs2 globally. Like you have regions like europe or asia east where it may be less than 1 cheater per game on average (still probably between 0.7 and 1) and regions like US, russia, south america our asia south east that are more around 1.5 to 2 cheaters PER GAME on average.
>muh professional e-sports players would neeeever cheatheh, imagine being that naive
>>729005340>>729005293I have started selling my cs2 skins so that an inventory of around 500-600 euros has become like 100 euros left. I do not trust Valve and their decision making. The people who trust Valve after the first market crash 2 months ago are the losers.
>Who was in the wrong here /v/?Valve for releasing that piece of shit CS2. Fuck that game.
>>729005293Rng game retarded bros... we might not have any actual fps skills... also our gambling addiction no...
>>729005293op for being a faggot lmao
>>729005293>Who was in the wrong hereThe "people" who choose to play CS2, or any other Valveswill.
>they removed overwatch because God knows what reason>CSGO is turned into a hacker vs hacker game>in every rank, there was usually a hacker in every team of randoms>some weren't bothered to hide it at all, spinbotting all the way up to LEM>pro players are still cheating nowadays on their streams and during the professional matches >no one cares>now they turned to jeetcoded automated AI moderation, turns out it works even worse than no moderationAnd yet you still give that game your time and sanity. Who are you blaming for your anger addiction?
>>729005293AI is the future luddite, horses are better than cars, and by the way, I suck robot penis
>>729008270>And yet you still give that game your time and sanity.I used to play CS2 and I put around 100 hours in it, and I genuinely tried to get better at the game during that time but one day I realized it wasn't worth it. I'm just glad I didn't put 5 years or more into it. Fuck that.
>>729008270I think that they removed overwatch system because it muddied the training data. Either because people watching them were stupid or the cheaters were abusing the system (there were ways to see who the suspect is)
>>729005293>cs2>false bansno such thingthe game is full of cheaters at every level and all of the bans are without a doubt legitimate>but they stream so they can't be cheating!!!cheats have a streamer mode and have had it for years, just because you can't see the esp on your favorite streamape's broadcast doesn't mean he isn't using one
>>729008798>the game is full of cheaters at every level and all of the bans are without a doubt legitimateWhile this could very well be true, putting any decision power in the hands of an AI is the worst thing anyone could do.
>>729005293>Valve’s new AI-based VAC anti-cheat system in CS2 has come under scrutiny after thousands of reports of false bans targeting legitimate usersif I had a nickel for everytime this happened I would be able to fund HL3 myself.One time the VAC banned a pro player because he was just too twitchy
>>729005957This is like a 100 IQ test and you failed. You should understand very well what it means if they already reverted the wrongful bans, but the right ones are still active.
>>729005293>legitimate users
>>729005957It's not that I'm a Valve boot lickerIt's that I'm a CS2 foot stomper
Subtle aim assist is not the same as rage hacking and it's retarded to ban people for trying to play better.
Valve is partly at fault for this by not even banning cheating pros, but the CS community deserves Valve crashing the plane with no survivors for promoting cheating and lootbox cancer.
>>729005293You can thank all the tech-illiterate retards who ate up the shilling against kernel level anticheat and clamored for a fucking AI deciding on who gets b& instead. Anyone with even the slightest idea about AI knew this is going to end up badly.
>>729005293its working as intended, the vast majority of ((("professionals"))) are filthy cheaters, hope it gets implemented in tournaments too
>>729007568>anon arguing with himselfcheating happens in every kind of competition, but (You) people don't understand the game well enough to discern between clean gameplay and cheats. People that are bad at the game NEED to believe every pro is cheating so they don't feel as bad being shit at the game
>>729006951>enjoy cheater-free gamingno such thing
>>729005293>targeting legitimate userssays who?>including professional Counter-Strike playersbecause they would never cheat, right?
No centralized multiplayer game can ever work. Only servers should individually dictate who gets to play and who doesn't.
>>729005293>AI-based VAC anti-cheatI no longer have AI fatigue, I have AI exhaustion.
>>729014430they are far less likely to cheat
>>729005957Are you retarded? The faulty bans got lifted but the legit ones remained.
>>729005293>including professional Counter-Strike playersIn other words, it's working perfectly.
1. AI slop is a scam2. Pros are cheating so pro comp tournaments are scam
>>729005293>CS2 finally having its Dota 2 moment when everyone got fucked up by smurfs abusing the behavior system to nuke people downMaking a system based on the shitshow campo santo did to dota would obviously backfire
>>729013540kwab
>>729013171Also demos fucking suck, because they show what happened from server's point of view, and i think they are recorded at reduced ticks/s (but maybe i'm confusing with spectating which i've read run at 16 ticks/s)
When is Valve going to give up the rat race with cheaters and go back to making single player games?
>>729015942>campo santowha? like if it was them in charger they would just ban people for saying nigger or something, not what dota has at the time.
>>729013540>indian teamOf course
>>729005340>sunk cost fallacy >playing a f2p gamePick one, Poory McPoorensteinhoffelwitz.
Same shit happened to me in WoW classic anniversary. Was doing pvp and killing a bunch of faggots/bot farmers doing Zul Farak at the entrance. Enough of them reported me and blizzard gave me a permaban for 'botting'. Took two weeks and about 10 tickets and a bunch of AI/Chinese GMs not looking at any of the evidence until I finally got an American gm that helped me and said it was a false ban.
>>729016813Never, they make money on these games, they try not to drop support on the games (goldsource games were updated through the years before the 25 year anniversary), and they also provide vac as a service/software to publishers on steam, like the did with the trust factor, which they tested in csgo and released for others to use. Deadlock had steam learn in one of it's updates, which as i understand is rebranded VacNet for other games.
>>729011794what is this supposed to mean? subtle aim assist is actually good?
>known cheater>gets banned for cheating>complainshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWFT2Ax8fmI
>>729005293You're just a fucking faggot trying to emotionally manipulate people here by putting them into an edge case what-if situation. AI anti-cheat does work, it might hit some false positives, but it takes a shit ton of cheaters with it.
>>729005293Say about AI what you will, but >false bans targeting legitimate users rendering them unable to play, including professional Counter-Strike playerscome on, come on now, everyone who knows anything about anything knows what's up. For a bunch of people in these scenes it's practically not about the game anymore, but about the metagame of how to make their "auto-play" look believable. And their bullshit of course wasn't adapted for the new anti-cheat, that is what happened.
>>729017403Cheating just a bit is good since I do it :)
>>729017145Wow Classic was such a shitshow on this front. As for me, >Farming Thorium in Un'goro (horde)>A chinese Paladin farmer (horde) is competing with me. After a while when he spots me at the central caldera he logs out, 5 level 60 multiboxed rogues (alliance) log in and kill me. They log out, chinese man is back. This repeats couple times.>At some point I've had enough and log onto my Druid (alliance) and kill the chinese guy>Banned the next day for griefing
>>729011794you're brown
>>729013706not a thing if you only play russianslop. games made for white men don't have cheaters, or there's so few of them that you can go thousands of hours without seeing one
>>729007436yeah it's pretty obvious. if the "pro" scene is filled to the brim with cheaters then why would it be different for casuals. sad mental state for someone to cheat buch such is the state of the auto matchmaking multiplayer scene
>>729018996Name some of those games.
>>729005293The cheaters, for making these extreme measures necessarymaybe a few innocent players get caught in the crossfire, I don't care how many get hit if it puts a dent in the number of cheaters
>>729016840the behavior system has a huge flaw the retards didnt account for, which are smurfs mass reporting people on normal or ranked so the behavior score is lowered to a point only their circlejerk is on top of the MMR, said faggots even went after pros too.Valve never fixed this issue, mainly because cunto shunto got what they wanted by "punishing" pros they didnt like, as mason, dendi and so on.when those fags were removed from dota 2, valve promissed a new system and general reset, but that hasn't come out yet til this day, and they seems to have used the same shitty system dota 2 has unto CS2, and smurfs gonna smurf, worse of all is that the real exploiters and hackers won't be punished at all because some are smurfs too.
>>729017145Private servers, aka Bronzebeard and Turtle the same.If isnt chinks is slavs, and GM's on BBC are literally full on banning people who are caught botting or spawncamping areas of mats and killing players to derail the zone.Their guild names are always some random shit like sup and so on.
>>729012029I just don't care. Crank the anticheat to 11. cheaters have ruined the entire FPS genre. They ought to be killed. Be glad valve is just banning you.
>>729012029>You can thank all the tech-illiterate retards who ate up the shilling against kernel level anticheatI will, thanks fellow whites. Don't give streetshitters a fucking inch.
>>729009220Nah, this is exactly what it should be used for
>>729007291Yeah. The tradeoffs of handing all power to companies in regards to multiplayer games will only continue to grow worse, despite already being pretty fucking shit as is. It's interesting in a sort of morbid sense
>>729005293Back in my days, this would have been called a statistics-based anti-cheat. Now it is "AI".
>>729005957I hate both valve and its lootboxes and live-service slop. both should be gassed
>>729007643The economy bounced back, wtf are you talking about
>>729012029>yeeeeeeeees goy, use asbestos as insulation. it's better than no insulation at all, right?how about you give me non-carcinogenic insulation you anti-consumer jew?
>>729021763it didn’t. the market cap chart doesn’t take coverts getting burned up to trade-up into account.
>>729019332Darktide, Vermintide, Deep Rock Galactic, Team Fortress 2 (on community servers), Helldivers 2, SCP: Secret Laboratory, Risk of Rain 2, Age of Mythology: Retold, Age of Empires 2: Definitive Edition
>>729007079normal wall bangThey've been playing the same maps for 30 years
>>729007436someone did a test like 6 years ago (logged everyone in game and looked for vac bans months later) and it was about .7 cheaters per game. It's probably worse now with AI aimbot and cheap DMA cheats
>>729023010I can't tell if this is bait meant to evoke emotion or if you're truly so retarded you don't notice that every single person in the first 4 games you list cheats in some form or another. I don't even play the other games but based on the first games I can only imagine the other ones are also rife with cheaters.
>>729023137>Normal wallbangThen why the fuck didn't he keep shooting at it until they died? He should have been able to hear the "CLUNK" from getting a armored head shot, the fact that he stopped and moved his aim away from that spot just makes it more suspicious
>>729005957All the competent people left valve over 10 years ago.Look at the people they pander to nowadays.
>>729020050All i would say is that they will not share that they fixed the system if they do, because that way they would be able to catch abusers or just make them think that their reports matter.But man, you could have expanded on the campo santo stuff, like, i think i remembered what are you talking about, i think it was some valve guy showing bias while banning people (tf2 mannpower mode also had a guy like that banned someone live because he got salty in game i think)
>>729013540>He lost many Izzat that daySad to see really
>>729005293why is valve so shit at detecting cheaters even fucking riot games is better
>>729023010isn't the drp a coop game? like people don't hate cheaters that much in coop games, because haiving them sucks, but their existence in met mostly with disappointment instead full on rage.
if you have no skill to hide then you have nothing to fear
>>729023615Yeah, 2015-2022 was the period valve literally outsourced most of the other games to those fags, and all of them always had a beef with the playerbase for calling them out.Also the period fun was removed from dota 2
>>729023504>Look at the people they pander to nowadays.What people?
>>729007436Its even worse now because of Europe being invaded by turks, indians and those slavic countries just going all in with those fucking hacks. Online gaming is impossible some countries need to be region blocked just because of that many "few bad actors."
>>729005293>thousands of reportsthey were all cheating with some previously undetectable shit
>>729005293stop cheating
>>7290085453/5 were genuine hack reports from my own experience 1/5 were genuine "griefing reports" and sometimes it was 1/5 genuine hacks and grief reports even on the lowest rungs of Gold Nova above one rank type or below.
>legitimate usersthey dindus because
>>729025148The campo santo demographic.
>>729005293kwab
>>729005293>He doesn't know that most streamers cheat anyway for easy viewslmao
>>729023010>>729018996>Darktide and Vermtide >No cheatersShould we tell her?
>>729005293What exactly is the reasoning for randoms to so vehemently defend scripted honey pot tournaments? like they are obviously not delusional enough to believe that players are this good since scripted cheating exposes this, it's all a ponzy scheme. So what's the goal? Hope that they themselves make it to the inner circle at one point in their lives? Continue contributing to fugazzi esport?We've all seen the videos of installing cheating hardware into rigs to overcome detection, we've all read posts from the creator of Shrouds hack developer on Chinese forums, where he claims hes getting paid 10k a month for updates. Yet all this bollox still persists, why?
>>729023364Because he saw a more immediate threat right after shooting. If he actually was cheating he would've seen him coming. I'm sure a lot of these webms are actually cheating, but this one seems lefit
>all nigger fuckery gets detected by modern anti cheat toolsgood. you should be kicked the f from all games of a company even if you cheated in only one of them
>>729023267you might actually be retarded if you think anybody cheats in vermintide. I have never seen even one cheater, ever. and you're saying EVERYONE cheats? ok retard lmaoooo
>>729005293>false bansdoubt. probably shit eating cheaters who don't want to lose access to their skins.
did sweaty CS nerds a favor.
Ai does not understand being honest, it understands being correct. Thereby, if you task a machine with finding cheaters, it WILL find cheaters, regardless of if the account is actually cheating. This has been proofed a few times now, most notably in a recent PewDiePie video where he developed an AGI Congress, and they collaborated together to lie to him about median results in order to protect less efficient models from deletion.
>>729008545there was a paid service where you could get your overwatch cases found not guilty
>>729028328>proofedsaar the AI is very good saar
>>729028416Can valve retards not truly make the match data more anonymized? I don't want to believe that there was no real way to do it
>>729023137>snaps with high precision right in the middle of the enemy's head>tries to aim away quickly, to not look suspicious of using hacks>muh, it isn't cheating it is just experience!You are a retard to be so gullible for believing this has anything to do with 'experience'
>>729005293>CS2 has come under scrutiny after thousands of reports of false bans targeting legitimate users rendering them unable to playsure they are, pros never cheat right?anyway when are they fixing this dogshit game and letting us download the games where vac bans someone?
>>729007079Typical wallbang spot, you're a fucking retard who's never played CS
>>729005293perfectly legit bans that professional counter strike 'players' and 'traders' are bribing valve to have removed. because they would be sucking cock for krokodil in any other timeline
>>729028559Son are you fucking retarded? Maybe this conversation is too high IQ for your peasant swamp brain.
>>729028559Dumb nigger stfu
>>729028179>Posts playtime like that means anythingErm...sister, you're pretending right?
>>729005293why cant they have ingame admins spectate random matches? its not widespread but itd make cheating more dangerous. all cheaters have to do is play the anticheat and player reports. a random admin joining is unpredictable
>>729032495Because cheating and moderation corruption is a giant fucking industry, and Valve has to act accordingly. Even some shit with a lower playercount like TF2 isn't safe, the initial wave of bots spamming the word nigger and then reaching out to PC Gamer was a ploy to get into moderation positions and start banning people they don't like from the game.As you could imagine the situation is way fucking worse with counterstrike.
>>729023137>>729029409jesus christ this site really is full of retarded 14 yo kids now. how can you be this retarded lmao
>>729007186>>729007280>>729007342>>729007515>>729007883
>>729005293Its interesting how with every update Valve manages to make CS2 even worse.
>>729005293based valve. i only play casual and don't report anyone. i'm not a bitch ass nerd, ho
>>729032440He's right. I've played 80 hours and haven't encountered one cheater. It's like saying L4D2 has cheaters every game.
>>729035043i have almost 8,000hrs in PUBG and the accusations of cheating are wildly exaggerated. guys are just mad because they were sent back to the lobby after losing all their loot
>>729032440anon do you realize workshop mods only work in the modded realm
>>729033013There's enough corruption and cheating in the real world. Why do I also have to deal with this shit in my leisure activities?
>>729028080>he would've seen him comingSo, you literally have no idea what you are talking about
>>729005293>including professional Counter-Strike playersThey're guiltyI can't prove it but me and AI-kun both know it
>>729034872I just realized that I've never seen a simpsons reaction image that hasn't been posted by an utter fucking retard
>>729037524t. cheater scrub
>>729006951cant enjoy online fps gamesall of them have cheaters
>>729008270>>729008545>>729008493the only solution is an invasive kernel level malware anticheat like Vanguard for Valorantthere is no other way of preventing this problem on x86.
>>729033013>Because cheating and moderation corruption is a giant fucking industryYou're not joking, generates tens of billions of dollars.
>>729037748Nope, still ways around this. You need to rent a computer from the company that makes the game and have it inspected daily (you pay for the inspections)
>>729005293the cheaters
>>729008270>>729008545Overwatch was retired because it was getting botted to hell.Certain cliques of hackers would set up literal botnets that would pretend to be real players using overwatch.These overwatch botters were bragging that they could get anyone they wanted banned arbitrarily as well as protect themselves from any consequences because their botnet was that pervasive and had rigged the process that much.
>>729034757anon is right though, nothing sus about itare you the schizo from /vm/ by chance?
>>729005293>including professional Counter-Strike playersThose guys are all cheaters
>>729021969Asbestos is fine
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>>729005957Got banned from CS. Not playing multiplayer slop anymore
>>729005293>Who was in the wrong here /v/?CS2 players.
