The story/ending to this game is kinda retarded. The writers paint the choice of renoir vs maelle as completely black and white when renoir could have just been like "yeah come out of the painting but you can visit on weekends". nobody even considers that and just picks the complete radical option of either staying forever or leaving forever which maelle thinks is basically the same as killing verso.
>>729010503She doesn't want to leave is the problem. A world where's she's basically a goddess is infinitely more appealing to a self-centered woman than one where she is a disfigured mute
>>729010503the story was AI generated what were you expecting anon?
>>729010587I stopped player in the middle of chapter 2 probably near the start of chapter 3, is that really the twist? I knew the story took a nose dive after verso comes in and replaces a certain someone but i thought the ai generated story jokes were just hopping on the ai generated game trend
>>729010892what are you talking about?that's when the story starts picking upThe world is nothing more than a canvas, the real Verso's canvas. Everyone in it is sentient and their own being. Verso just has to live with the fact everything about his existence is a lie. But he is still more Verso than anything else in that world to the point he has a better grasp on painting than Alicia/Maelle does. His Alicia, the fake one, created by the real mother wanted to die too.The plot of the game is really a family of what are effectively gods to the people of the canvas abusing their true creators' last remnant to deal with their grief of losing him.
>>729010716this
>>729011582The story turned into a really boring family drama soap opera telanovella so i stopped playing. That and the gameplay was really boring. Everything with gustave and the whole "for those who come after" theming was really cool, everything else was shit
>>729010503Verso (painted) was a faggot that made an impulse choice to destroy the world for some reason which breaks the narrative and gameplay especially if you decided to revive Noko at the river. fuck Verso (painted) that fag will never be like his chad real life counterpart. Not only is Verso (painted) a bitch, but he also couldn't save a single member of his painted family and let Gustave die because he was so intimidated by the presence of another male in the group of females. I'm glad in Maelle's ending she gets her own painted version of verso that eternally plays the piano and is probably less of a bitch than the one we play as
You're all jeets. This game was GOTY. Cope and seethe, brownoidsJust kidding. This is astroturfed as shit
>>729012072knowing you're the only fakes in a real world would make you probably want to die too, especially when you're nothing but a copy of someone else
>>729010503The nature of the true ending barely if at all coincides with the "tomorrow comes" and the "for those who come after" as wellSomeone tell me I'm wrong on this
>>729010716Are you people trying to become to most obnoxious people in the world?
>>729012214how is he wrong?
>>729012134But they arent fakesThe rules for their God or creator are just differentThe real plot being "just let go and move on" doesn't just disagree with "for those who come after"It fucking clashes with it
>>729012072>especially if you decided to revive Noko at the riverEven more especially if you decide NOT to go to the Reacher. It means Verso actively kills his own sister in his ending.
Im glad I just watched the cutscenes on youtube. I would've been pissed by the boring twist and the shit ending if I went through the trouble of playing it. I just don't have time for dodge and parry shit in a turn based game.
>>729010587>not wanting to live as a disfigured cripple in constant pain is "self-centered"
>>729012253Show proof.
>>729012478Not even that but>The rules of the world uniquely allow this to be a choice that has barely any bearing on real life themesYou could argue escapism, but it doesn't even matter because they don't bother to establish it until... Damn near 2/3rds of the way to the finish
>>729011582Lumiere is Aline's creation. They have nothing to do with Verso, being an addition to his Canvas.
>>729012134that's not why verso wants to kill himself and everyone in the painting. he wants to do this because he is a selfish brat and ironically far more selfish than maelle. all because verso couldnt save a single member of his painted family, not even when he was given the chance to mend things with Alicia, he does nothing. it's not even that much of an existential crisis for him when everyone else in his painted family seems to react better than him
>>729012306Anon, if you're too busy mourning one of your dead kids, you can't take care of your other two. He's gone. You need to look after those who come after.>>729012478Abandoning your real family and life to live in a literal fantasy world is self-centered, yes
>>729012741if they're a part of his soul, they're his, not aline'sshe sculpted them but his spirit made them real
>>729012785So you're saying the main initial theme of the plot applies to... The only nonvoiced named character in the game?
>>729012776Painted Alicia wanted to die though.
>>729012785thats a reach. i get it you like this game but there is no defending Act 3. spinning "those who come after" as a lesson for Aline is a complete fucking cope lol. the slogan is made by people in the expeditions, not someone in the family repeating on end. it's not for Aline lol
>>729012932i'd kill myself too if my brother and only family left was a complete fucking bitch fag that can't get his shit together.
>>729012858Pure nonsense. You're attempting to retrofit your poor ethical view of the world onto this fantasy ontology.May as well say that Verso's canvas is Aline's because she made him first.
>>729013016To be fair she was created to be hated and unliked iirc
>>729012953Look at Gustave. His death was horrible for everyone but they had to move on. They had to change the world so they could move on with their lives. Sciel literally killed her baby because she couldn't deal with her grief
>>729010716
>>729013103nice concession i guess
>>729013075>Sciel literally killed her baby because she couldn't deal with her griefNearly drowning caused the miscarriageShe literally found out she was pregnant after the factWhich is frankly convenient for the tragedy wank/building
just post the AI thing already
>>729013180she manslaughtered her baby then
>>729010503"use the painting responsibly" is explicitly the choice that both the mother and the daughter rejected. Both have chosen to kill themselves by overdose. It is a given that they are retards, you do not get to choose to make them not retards. The options of the rest of the characters in the game is to either revive them against their will or to watch them die.
>>729013075anon, yes for the gang it makes sense BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE EXPEDITION. THATS LITERALLY THEIR MOTTO. it makes NO sense for it to be a "lesson" for Aline>sciel killed her babyokay now I just know youre one of those fags who hopped on this game's shilling bandwagon without even playing it. let me guess your favourite movie is Avatar?
posting the AI thing requested by jannie
>>729010503
>>729013075>They had to change the world so they could move on with their livesThis simply doesny make senseThey allowed the world to be destroyedLune gets an unsatisfying endSciel doesn't mind because lol suicideMonoco I guess who fuckin cares he's the dogWow 5 party members die fairly unsatisfyinglyGustaves people couldn't be savedYou don't just have 6 characters and then write one somewhat satisfying end for one of them without disastisfyong a bunch of people
>>729012072>Verso (painted) was a faggot that made an impulse choice to destroy the world for some reason which breaks the narrative and gameplayVerso (painted) is an automaton designed in the mothers memory of Verso, a golem who is designed to endlessly love his family and who will gladly save his sister at the cost of his life. Thinking that he is a character is your first mistake.
>>729011582>that's when the story turns to shitfixed it for you
>>729013414Ignore these dogs. They do not believe the Lumierans are human beings with any right to life. They think that only the worthless rich family deserves to live a dignified life.
>>729013359>Both have chosen to kill themselves by overdose>Let's go home.Aline's only staying in the canvas to protect Verso. When she thinks there's no danger to Verso, like him still being alive, she's completely willing to leave on her own.
>>729010503Female level understanding of the story. This is why the painting had to go.
>>729013469>a golem who is designed to endlessly love his family and who will gladly save his sister at the cost of his lifethis did not happen. he literally let alicia have her assisted suicide.
>>729013413based
>>729013545"Home" means her weird teleporting mansion there, lol.
>>729013469The counterargument being they do realize they're all created, but they come to terms that they are sentientIf they didn't it would take me even more out of the plot"All the characters act the way they do because that's what they were made to do"Which is one thread the game doesn't delve into deeply
>>729010503>The story/ending to this game is kinda retardedProbably because it was written by AI
>>729010503yes, the story is shit. we tried to tell you.
>>729010503imagine debating a story written by chatgpt
>>729013687It’s funny how anons keep reminding /v/ about it and /v/ covers its eye every time and goes nanananana.
>>729013687How was it written by AI?
>>729010503>"yeah come out of the painting but you can visit on weekends"you're retarded
>>729013625Home means outside of the canvas, hence why most of her dialogue centers around thinking the fire, which occurred outside of the canvas, might have never happened
>game's story is so utterly dogshit garbage that we have contemporary artfags try to interpret it and defend itbravo the french have made a game that perfectly shows the faggotry that goes on in modern art. put this fuck ass game in the louvre
>>729013839ask the game award owners >>729013687 or you think they're lying?
>>729013878I am quite sure it does not mean that, lol. The fire happened 'in canvas' too. Quite deliberately.
>>729013937No, I'm asking you since you made the assertion.
>>729010503verso probably was that compromise but he realized in the final fight that maelle would never leave so he had to go scorched canvas
>>729013921yeah we know you didn't play the game.
>>729013937Where does that say that the story was written using AI, retard?
>>729013983you're talking to different anons btw now answer me, are the indie award owners lying about the AI use statement?
>>729010587Yeah and any reasonable person would make the same choice. Thinking that suffering in the real world rather than living a good life in the fake one is the morally correct choice is some delusional self-flaggelating reilgious hogwash.
Not really. Alicia lives 16 years and then another 16 as Maelle. She is torn between two worlds, two lives and the latter is much more appealing as Alicia is in pain every second of the day, is grieving, shunned by her family and she has a war against the Writers to fight. As Maelle she has more warmth and love, even with the gommage striking every year. By the end she has a way to fix Maelle's world so would go for it. Renoir doesn't want to destroy the canvas but he knows full well what Alicia will do, even if they had a peaceful agreement of "only on weekends". Alicia would never leave, both too enraptured by the Painting as well as fear for it being destroyed as soon as she does leave.
>>729013687That claim was proven to be made by a Indian who was caught on reddit and had his steam account posted here
>>729014046No because they obviously used AI in some of the textures in the game (which were removed),I'm asking for the claim that the story was written with AI to be sourced.
>>729014134ask them and post their answer here
>>729013941>Come along, real life flesh children, let us return to our fairy tale paint home rather than our real life home for reasons unknown
>>729013921It's the hidetaka Miyazaki school of souls writing>If we're vague enough people will fit the plot to their ideal interpretationAnd as someone who hates souls writing, I'm not sure I like this
>>729014184Okay so you're just talking out your ass. Thanks for clarifying.
>>729014007He messed up that option when he killed the one person who could convince her to leave or maintain a healthy usage of the canvasReminder Renoir did nothing wrongI also find that the writers just kinda handwaived the fact that everyone in the canvas IS a sentient person, so Verso is just willing to kill so many to make sure his sister stops doing heroin
>>729014134>which were removedIf they were excised from the game, on what grounds did an indie award competition see fit to disqualify them? The rationale appears internally inconsistent.
>>729014281and his mother
>>729014280concession accepted
>>729014184So you have no source? No argument?As expected of low IQ streetshitters
>>729013937Generative ai was used in initial marketing assets and was stricken from the indie game awards my guy>>729014007You have any idea how unsatisfying that is?Maelle as a character>The reacher plot>Everyones hopes and dreams for her>Somehow can't leave on her own willpowerReally?Fucking really?
729014384read the thread before posting maybe?
>>729014286Because they were used in the creation of the game at all I suppose?The patch notes in the game specifically refer to the AI generated textures as "placeholder assets". Perhaps the Indie Awards took umbrage with the fact that they were used at all, even if they were removed at a later date. It's still nothing to do with the story being "written by AI" like this one retard >>729014350 is claiming with no proof whatsoever.
>>729010503Renoir was right, the Maelle ending sucks massive cock
>it's okay to live in a delusional fantasy world where everyone acts in the way you want them to, never exposing you to any form of discomfort or tension
>>729014448Perhaps the Indie Awards took umbrage with the fact that they were used at all, even if they were removed at a later date. It's still nothing to do with the story being "written by AI" like this one retard >>729014350 (You) is claiming with no proof whatsoever.this is called moving the goalpost btw if you don't have an answer then don't post
>>729014057And it has no substance since we know jack shit about the "real world"
>>729014270Aline is insane at this point. When Verso told her to 'actually' go home she flipped out because she understood what that meant.
>>729014452>>729014462It brought back all the people that died, Maelle being addicted to power tripping is her problem, dont care what happens to her
>>729014281They didn't handwaive it but they have admitted they should have done more to make people realize they are sentient and as real as the Dessendres. I think that is more on many choose Verso's ending just ignoring the whole game and thinking "its all fake bro".
>>729014448>Because they were used in the creation of the game at all I suppose?That line of reasoning collapses the distinction between instrumental deployment and historical adjacency. If AI was not actually operationalized in the final artifact, then disqualification on that basis amounts to penalizing provenance rather than practice, a category error at best.
>>729014512First of all, learn to quote you fucking cretin.Second of all, responding to this this>Probably because it was written by AIWith this>How was it written by AI?Is not moving the goalposts. It's asking you to source your statement. Don't reply if you don't have an answer. Faggot.
>>729014281If Verso had given Maelle the letter, she could have chosen another path as well. Everything bad that happens to Verso in the game is because of his own conceitedness and deception.
>>729014648read the thread before posting thanks
>>729014123And you have to admit your outcomes are convenient to forcing a dilemmaBecause they don't have any bearing on real life themes and so therefore the plot fails in its lacking of relatabilityUnlike the "for those who come after" plotline of ultimate sacrifice for the sake of a better tomorrow
>>729014698Source your claim before posting, thanks.
>>729010503>It's okay Maelle, I know you're an addict, so you can do drugs on the weekends!You're an illiterate retard.
>>729014736>source>>729013687next?
>>729014462This is completely untrue. Every entity in the Canvas acts as an independent being. Even the nightmare killers aren't all crafted rigidly.
Friendly reminder that the indie awards are tranny central and any "anons" talking about them like they are an authority on anything are cancer.
>>729014679Imagine being such a compulsive liar that your dad makes a painting that calls you out on being a lying cunt
>>729014730>e they don't have any bearing on real life themesRetard.
>>729014573Correct, because he meant for her to leave the canvas so Renoir could erase everything, including him. Which brings us back to >>729013545
>>729014575Except you're supposed to care because she's the main character with all the arcsSo when your arcs are all "she a mental weakling" that's wholly unsatisfying
>>729014795>tranny centralWhy? Because they went against your narrative?
>>729014784>my source is my own post where i make the claimPajeets are the most retarded kind of animal known to man
>>729014819>Some bullshit war in a world that doesn't follow our rules>Vague occurrencesYeah no bearing
>>729014679Its brutal that painted Alicia decides to die because her brother is a total faggot.>>729014575Unfortunately the people of Lumiere appear to be living as slaves. Lune's face betrays that something more is going on during that ending.>>729014546Floating paintings just like the Painted mansion, December 33rd and Writers in a war with Painters is all we know. Consider as well that Alicia was going to Paint a canvas of her world for Lune and others to explore. Worlds within worlds within worlds. As soon as we deal with anything like that I instantly think that the outside world or "real world" is just as fake, because how can you know?
>>729014784Sorry, I didn't realise I was arguing with a literal retard. Maybe read the article you posted buddy, I'm sure you can get ChatGPT to summarise it for you if some of the words are too hard for you. You can do it champ!
>>729014875i didn't post that though if the game didn't used AI for its story then why was it disqualified from that gaming award? like they say in my country, se cae de la mata
>>729012785>Abandoning your real familyThe real family where my mom and sister blame me for my brother's death, and my father basically abandons me to go chase after the mother that hates me? That's the family you think someone should sacrifice their happiness for?
>>729014795>the big meanie youtuber criticized our awards :(So we're going to hide in our PatreonYeah, I'm not gonna take these faggots seriously
>>729014967>'We have a hard stance against gen AI in videogames'It's a fucking mystery Anon, the world may never know.
>>729014967"didn't use
>>729014870And this is the jury, you will never make good games and you will never be able to bully your way out of this mess you created.
>>729015021have you tried not causing your brother's death?
>>729015041>>729015059keep moving that goalpost maybe next thread it'll be less obvious seeeer
>>729010503Nigga how can you be this dense. You can't even understand basic subtextOf course they all know that there's a possibility that Maelle can visit on weekends, the issue is it's insanely obvious that she WON'T do that. Renoir and Verso both know what's gonna happen. She lied to her dad and fully intends to never leaveYes if Maelle wasn't an addict she could dabble in the canvas heroin casually. Unfortunately, as Renoir repeatedly states, we need to see things as they are, not how we wish them to be
>>729015098How was I supposed to know that people die when they are killed?
>>729010503Ok so you missed two crucial details>Alicia doesn't want to ever leave>Painted Verso's endgame was always to destroy the Canvas so that the fragment of Real Verso can finally rest.
>>729015113Oh no you got exposed for being some SJW retard and now you think I am some other anon. Your grave will have your birthname on it
>>729015113I really don't think you know what the term "moving the goalposts" means.
>>729015198>>729015217better luck next thread for you i guess
Wanna know just how retarded the trannies bashing E33 are? They think the game's music was AI generated because it sounded different live.
These are all the niggas I get for "four niggas in a row"? Kinda weak desu.
>>729015282Keep telling yourself that
For anyone lost, or confused, let me enlighten you:The insistence that “no AI was used” seems to rest on the charming assumption that an award body would disqualify a game on a whim, while the players, armed with conjecture and selective definitions, are the true arbiters of compliance. Reality, alas, proves less accommodating: AI was indeed used, for the story and the art, etc. If this were not the case, the game would not have been disqualified. Hope this clarifies the doubts you had.
>>729015356...are they fucking serious?
>>729015282Is your entire strategy just to post complete non-sequiturs about how the other person already lost the argument?I'm going to make this really really easy for you then.Post one quote from anywhere you like, literally any online publication whatsoever, that states definitively that the E33's story was written by AI and I will concede completely.Bonus points: Provide proof that the story being written by AI is why it had indie awards rescinded.
>>729015540better luck next thread anon it's like 10 v 1 with you ITT
>>729014932I mean, the outside world is fake. After all, it's a videogame...
>>729015475One of the posts I've seen was like this>I can speak French fluently and I always thought the game's OST sounded off. And of course it was AI!And then the retard swiftly deleted his post when he got dogpiled.
>>729015472Thanks grok.>>729015570Oh it really is your strategy, never mind then, carry on retard.
>>729015606sounds like his post got deleted by the jannies more like
>>729012106>looneytroon is trying to turn it around on everyone who noticed he's poop people
>>729015624In the apparent absence of anything resembling a counterargument, one might as well default to lexical pyrotechnics. Nonsense replies, after all, can be a comforting substitute for substance.
I started playing this shit 2 days ago to see what the fuss was all about. I got to the end of chapter 2 and just put it down because of how western rpg trash it wasIs this REALLY the big twist? That everything's a fucking painting? The main giant hint it gives you at the very start of the game?
>>729013826No one actually cares that game devs are using AI...
>>729015786This 10000%
>>729015385They all have unique gimmicks to their gameplay. While they are mostly similar (Maelle's stances is basically the same as Monoco's wheel, stacking dark or light as Sciel is similar to Lune's four orbs) it adds a lot to the gameplay.
>>729010503Renoir tells you in plain language why it's black and white.He then rips a hole in reality to show you and the party why it's black and white, but apparently your skull is thicker than a tear in reality.
>>729015746Who let the Darkest Dungeon narrator into the thread?
jannies doing a magnificent job at failing to bait post roflmao
>>729013469Verso has an existential crisis from realizing>that his world is fakeClea broke that news a 100 years prior>that it will never know peacethe Dessendres will regroup to fish out Maelle eventually when she weakens>that he is condemned to be an immortal bystander once again first for Aline, now for Maelle in the piano mineswhen suicide finally became an option at the end, he jumped at it
>>729015852>Nooo you can't enjoy living the rest of your life in this place where your friends are>You have to come back to some non descript real world where a bunch of other fags are fighting a war with usSounds pretty terrible
suddenly the thread died after being called out big noticing
>>729010503>good guys beat bad guys>one of the bad guys is revealed to be related to good guys>the endRemember when games had simple stories without any meta bullshit?
>>729016240give it some years AI writing can only do so much until it gets fed more data
>>729010503This was my plan until it was clear that Maëlle wouldn't come back. Her mother getting back in the painting really quickly, despite the state she was in and despite the fact that the canvas was well hidden convinced me that this shit was beyond addictive and Renoir was right.While I would have loved to at least give closure to everyone before pulling the plug, you could argue that acting rash like verso did was only fair after the way Maëlle treated his sister's case.It's a bit forced but it's their story.
>It took one accusation to not only turn a lot of people against the company for using AI to generate placeholders, but also to convince some of them that the majority of the game was made by AI, tarnishing all of the genuine talent that was involved with making it>Ironically, the implication of Sandfall using AI to make "art" now made people believe that the genuine, heartfelt and grand art is nothing but AII salute whoever was the first one to cast the stone. A false accusation that did more damage than it should've, and prove that people will believe anything as long as its screamed at them from multiple direction.Actual evil.
>>729016819have you tried maybe not using AI?
>>729016178Thats just the lifespan of these threads now. Versofags converge on it, maellefags bring up a meagre resistance before they are drowned out for being idiots and retreat from the thread, versofags talk among themselves for a little bit, a couple shills try to get people to post replies containing the keyword "AI" as many times as possible in order to generate revenue for their parent company, and then the thread fizzles out
>>729016898They will use ai and will lie about it just like Hollywood is lying about their 0% FX movies. That's the only thing you won. Widespread hypocrisy instead of restraint
>>729010503>Chat Gippty, generate me a storyline about a painting in French
>>729016898Using AI to gen placeholder shit while you work on the proper stuff is understandable though
>>729017081that's your headcanon; people immediately know when AI is used, like what happened with this game.
>>729016819And then you look at who is making these accusations and it all starts to make sense
If you had a tiny painted clone of hitler, would you torture him
>>729017364noi'd put him in the real world to finish what he started
>>729017364>If you had a tiny painted clone of hitler, would you torture himNot directly, but i'd paint him up some jews and some gestapo and see how they get on.
>>729016819>>729017257>its screamed at them from multiple directionAI is one of the least talked about complaints against the game thoughbeit.I see much more screaming that the game is a 10/10 masterpiece.
>>729010716Is the AI in the room with us now?
>>729010503>anon doesn't understand addictionMany such cases. Sad.
>>729017557you have not seen a single fucking thread here
>>729010587lol it's literally a melodramatic midwit version of FFTA's story........
>>729011767>>729013493I'll never understand how or why some people got so insanely attached to Gustave and started seething hardcore when he died.
>>729017729>you have not seen a single fucking thread hereWho do you think makes the falseflag ragebait threads?
>>729017904you mean the metroid prime 4: beyond threads?
>>729010503 The best stories always have radical decision makers. No one wants to watch a queer millennial faggot pick the moderate option.
>>729014057>Yeah and any reasonable person would make the same choice. Thinking that suffering in the real world rather than living a good life in the fake one is the morally correct choice is some delusional self-flaggelating reilgious hogwash.People also miss that painted Vero's motivation to destroy the painting for his own sake (not maelle's) is entirely evil. He's not doing it for her, he's doing it for himself, same reason he attempted to let everyone get wiped out without giving Maelle the letter. He's been attempting to commit suicide since the word go and its partly why he lets Gustave die. Verso is a covert narcississt, a manipulator and downright evil.
>>729014932>December 33rd and Writers in a war with Painters is all we knowPrecisely my point
>>729010503whats with the kingdom hearts tier clownfeet?
Maelle troons are genuinely mentally ill
>>729017981>Radical decisionsIs one thingWhat they give us is >Shit that is not a logical or reasonable progressionThey gave us>The highest emotional stakesAt the cost of>Sensical character development
>>729017958They get enough hate as is. They don't need my help.
>>729017981>>729018557Exactly. Peak millennial writing. Your expectations were subverted.
>>729018686Haha you thought you were exploring a hostile world with monsters and a magic system people are still figuring out but instead you get an addiction metaphor and none of it matters lol! Peak writing, massively subverted
>>729018557Life keeps forcing cruel choices.
>>729018557Nah. Renoir would've been fine with keeping the painting. He didn't want to destroy it either, since it was made by Verso and he was just as sad about it as everyone else. But his wife and his daughter were killing themselves with it and would not be able to just visit it sometimes, so he made the painful decision to just destroy it, to protect the living members of his family.
MWAAHAHAHA...THE FRENCH
>>729018557The "sensible option" is not even a real decision. It just kicks the can down the road. Every time Maelle steps into Verso's painting, she eventually get charmed enough to stay forever. It's like cocaine. There is no such thing as a responsible cocaine user. TL;DR - Leave the writing to the professionals.
None of this pedantic shit matters. The game was trying to communicate themes of abusing escapism in the face of grief, and it uses these extreme positions to symbolize two different approaches. I'm sure if you tried to you could come up with different less definitive solutions, but none of them would communicate those themes quite as well, so wtf would be the point?The themes come first, the actual plot is just a vehicle to drive you to them.
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I wish the game had made Maelle more of a reasonable actor. I get that a core part of the story is that she is kind of broken, but healing is also a theme of the story and it just feels kind of frustrating that BOTH Maelle's and Verso's endings go south because of Maelle's dysfunction.That's kind of annoying.
Verso did nothing wrong
>>729014270YesThat's why Verso knew that she would open the door to the magic teleporting mansion for Maelle
>>729022352If you're a dribbling retard, sure I guess
>>729022746Name one thing he did wrong.Reminder that he eventually agreed with Maelle's plan until he saw that she was lying and absolutely would destroy herself in "his" world, so changed his mind and decided that it had to be destroyed. He knew they weren't his real family, but he still felt like they were, so he decided to sacrifice himself a second time to protect the people he loved the most
>the story of the game is two clans of retards with magic powers fighting over nothing because their magic powers are fucking useless with the only application being bing bing wahooing into your own works of art and going insaneWhat did the baguettes mean by this?
>>729010503Yeah dude. I can only be an alcoholic on the weekends. It totally works
Maelle has gone insane and must be stopped.
>>729022947Intentionally let Gustave be killedIntentionally gimped the party by keeping Esquie's rock to himselfIntentionally sitting back and robbing all of his "allies" of the chance to say goodbye to their loved ones (something that he WILL throw a tantrum over if done to him)Intentionally stands in the way of Maelle and Renoir being able to come to an understanding before they both stop trusting each other
>>729022951Artists are evil
>Verso sacrificed his own life TWICE to protect his sister>somehow faggots still think he's the bad guyutter madness
>>729022947>they weren't his real family, but he still felt like they were, so he decided to sacrifice himself a second time to protect the people he loved the mostHis noble sacrifice just so happened to align with exactly what he's always wanted and tried to get no matter the cost before
>>729023217that slash is so sexy desu
>>729023483You and I would be suicidal too if we knew that we were fake people in a fake world, an abomination placed upon our childhood playground, actively causing pain and destruction to our families and the people we love, and not even allowed to die to stop it, the only option to end the suffering of ourselves and of the people we love is to end the whole world, then you still suffer and fight for 500 years and go through all kinds of shit that whole time when all you ever wanted was to die, which is literally impossible so long as the world exists
>>729010503>renoir could have just been like "yeah come out of the painting but you can visit on weekends"Verso says that almost word for word but Alicia was too far gone.
>>729023661No, I wouldn't. You can kill yourself though, no objections here.
>>729023665Oops forgot image.
>>729023767yikes
>>729023665Verso says that while in the process of getting the child to stop maintaining the canvas in an attempt to get Maelle to stop preventing him from doing thatHe's lying to her face
>>729023661Ignoring the claims that Painted Verso gives a shit about Verso's family or his "childhood playground", going through with the suicide that I so desperately want and have for years is not a sacrifice, it's opportunism
>>729024067>Ignoring the claims that Painted Verso gives a shit about Verso's family or his "childhood playground"Just pay attention anytime Verso interacts with real Renoir, they're very awkward because neither one really knows or understands the relationship between them. They almost never talk directly, but there's lots of awkward glances. Renoir actually does care about the painted people, but he decides that his family is more important.
>>729024067Is it moral to make one person suffer infinitely for eternity so that a world can exist?Take a moment to think about it before you make a decision.
>>729012478It is when she's in someone else's canvas. She could have painted her own and let her brother rest
>>729024407Did she even know that little Verso wanted to die?
>>729010503Some want, need, to find something wrong with this game because it got incredibly popular.They can't exist in the shade of this large tree.
>>729024460Considering she stopped him from taking painted Verso's hand, yes
>>729010503You think that the AI that wrote this game is gonna consider such possibilities?
>>729022628>Verso knew that she would open the door to the magic teleporting mansion for Maelle>Then proceeds to invite Verso to said magic teleporting mansion anyway because reasonsAlmost like she meant "let's leave the canvas" or something
>>729024393Yes
>>729024959How the hell does inviting her painted son back to her painted home mean "let's leave the painting"?
>>729010503Anon it's stated pretty clearly that if she wasn't evicted forcefully, she was never going to leave. Ever. And everyone involved knew it, even Renoir.
>>729025879...because she thinks it's her REAL son, hence why she asks if she dreamt the fire and if Verso is still alive. Why the hell would she invite what she believes to be her real son to a painted home?
>>729016819It's a loud minority. Watch it affect literally nothing as E33 keeps on selling like hotcakes. Same with Divinity.
>>729026604Because she's clearly lost her grasp of what's real and what's notShe thinks that it's her real son but she must know that it's not her real home that she's inviting him to return to? If so why does she flip out when he realises that he's trying to get her to leave if she's the one proposing it in the first place?
>>729026787>She thinks that it's her real son but she must know that it's not her real home that she's inviting him to return to?She thinks it's her real son because her real daughter is with him.>If so why does she flip out when he realises that he's trying to get her to leave if she's the one proposing it in the first place?Because she wants to protect Verso. Her leaving the canvas means Verso gets erased by Renoir
Is this game better to play in English or French with subtitles?
Did Verso really destroy the world? Like there's nothing left there, Renoir obliterated all of Lumiere already. Sciel and Lune are the only humans left. The gestrald are make believe stick figures. Whatever the fuck Maelle brought back in her ending are just puppets. She sucks as a painter and those people are probably deficient with no free will.
>>729023787>the last remnant of verso nodding when he asks him if he's tired of painting>monoco and esquie holding him one last timei just finished the gamei'm holding it in, guys
>>729027301He's an accomplice in its destruction
>>729010503Alan Reynaud, why don't you have a seat
>>729027301>Did Verso really destroy the world? Like theres *absolute headcannon wank*Illiterates shouldn't be allowed to consume media.
>>729027163>Because she wants to protect Verso. Her leaving the canvas means Verso gets erased by RenoirSo does she think he's real and is inviting him to leave the canvas or not?
>>729015385>Maelle is the most overpowered character by a mile and no one else even comes closeWhat did the dev mean by this?
>>729027876>Let's go home.She thinks he's real and is willing to leave with him since there is no danger of losing him.>Yes, you need to go home.She realizes he's not real and leaving would result in his erasure.
>>729017458>i'd paint him up some jewsDon't inflict that curse on another reality man
>>729028050They're all overpowered at different points in the game. Lune is the most op up till you get Verso, then Verso up till you can break the 9999 cap, then Maelle when you're starting act 3 then evens out as you get everyone's god build. Sciel is arguably the OP one because she sets up the one shot shenanigans for the others but can do it on herself. Monoco is shit.
>>729027291Probably English, unless you know French. I hear the French VAs did a pretty good job too
>>729028813Took one look at monoco, saw his "gotta catch em all" gimmick and I never even bothered. Cool idea on paper but there is no way I was going to test out 40+ abilities to see which was better
>>729031859The ability that gives him and his allies shields is pretty fucking broken. The 20% break on agile mask regardless of how big the break bar is for anything is pretty useful too. AoE for decent damage with Glaise or whatever it was earthquake + powerful buff. Monoco is really more of a support character
>come outside now and then to avoid literally having your face rot away>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NO
>>729033025I like to think Renoir and Clea manage to drag her out long enough before she goes back in. Verso's ending fixes things for the family, but I can't just erase everything like that. Maybe they could comfort the little kid or Verso will be happy again just knowing he won't have to lose anyone else until he naturally dies.
