>I know you’re going to betray me even though I can read minds and nothing you’ve said or done indicates it, so I’m going to betray you first and give you a reason to hate and kill me. Do Greek gods really?
The whole point of the greek gods was them fucking up.
yeah.that's why Kronos ate all his children.
We was scaled of his platonian conceptual scaling
The plot excuse for this is that by opening Pandora's Box to beat Ares, Kratos released the concept of Fear, which infected Zeus and drove him to paranoia.
best GoW btw
Titans can see the future, primordials create the universe, gods can subvert the gnostic laws of both titans and the primordials. That's how the Greek Parthenon works. Gods are gods because they make the world as they see fit, old gods or titans are just physical embodiment of major concepts like time, nature, the sky, etc.
It's basically Greek gods versus mortals represented by kratos.It's basically a pleb getting angry on the gods and writing a story where they all die by his oc.
>>729020324He can read minds?
>Ares starts attacking the other gods' cities>Kratos has to kill Ares because Zeus forbade the gods from killing each other>Kratos replaces Ares and starts attacking the other gods' cities>This time Zeus just kills Kratos himselfWhy didn't Zeus just kill Ares?
>>729021006Because Ares was born a god, Kratos is just a mortal borrowing his power.
>>729020324Zeus was really paranoid that he was going to get overthrown just like Chronos and took a bunch of precautions to prevent it in actual mythology
>>729021006Didn't want to start breaking his own rules over some mortals. It's different when he thinks Kratos is outright gunning for him.
>>729020957No, but he knows someone who can. That's how gods are in western canon.
>>729021006Ares as dumb as he is is a son of Zeus, and also an important god.
>>729020324Its a fine take to have Zeus fall for the same scam his father did.
>>729021006Zeus wouldn't have needed to kill Ares, just punish him enough so he stops.
>>729020324If you’re too retarded to get this almost universal story concept/lesson through the Greek, maybe the unga Nords are more your speedOdin does the same shit (learns of a prophecy that’ll kill him, goes out of his way trying to fight it, still loses)Coincidentally, both mythologies also feature characterizations of fate
>>729021006I always assumed that depowering Kratos in GOW2 was him working around his own rules a bit. Especially when you have other Greek Heroes talking shit how Kratos is now a fallen god.
>>729021006Its double incentive. Kratos has beef with Ares, Zeus and the other gods have their hands clean of any real involvement and Ares death looks like retribution against a mortal he betrayed rather than a Third Titanomachy or Godmachy or whatever the fuck you might call it.
>>729021006Killing Ares was more of a test for Kratos than anything else. They were looking for a new god of war and wanted to see if he was worthy.Zeus killing Kratos was just sheer paranoia and the "legal" issue of invading another god's city didn't matter.
>>729021516Nothing in greek mythology suggests Zeus will actually lose the throne of Olympus (and the greek gods are actually immortal as opposed to the norse gods). Zeus in actual mythology is suppose to be this highly intelligent and wise gigachad who earned his spot as King of the gods (that's why Athena spawned from him). GOW Zeus is not at all reflective of how the actual ancient greeks saw him
>>729020324>no, I'm not gonna revive your family nor purge the memory from you killing them even though you've been begging me to for years Don't they literally control life and death itself? Why not just give Kratos what he so desperately wanted instead of watching him come and go from hell two times for revenge against Olympus?
>>729020324>Do Greek gods really?I mean yeah, didn't you study this shit back in highschool?
>>729020324>ZEUS>perfect physique>gigantic>shining white hair of wisdom>glowing eyes>odin>gangly>has to look up at everyone>bald and gray>wears a brown eyepatch (afraid to look like a pirate)MED BVLLS win again
>>729022163I think they don't teach anything these daysWould explain the lowering of iq
>>729022119We wouldn't have had a franchise if they did that.
>>729022025Wrong
>>729022119The gods are too arrogant, they think kratos dosen't deserve anything.
>>729022119gods doing something for anyone but themselves lmao
>>729020324That's classic Greek tragedy, anon.Completely preventable conflict that still inevitably happens due to hubris, misunderstandings or stupidity
>>729022119They all effectively lack humanity, barring Hephastus.They cannot comprehend why it bothers Kratos so much at all.
>>729022341>the greeks thought that the god of justice and hospitality was an evil tyrantok
>>729022383It's literally >so sorry that happened to you but it's your problem lmao
>>729021970Pure bullshit.
>>729022025The Greeks also saw Zeus as a philanderer and the gods in general as being incredibly hypocritical as a reflection of the world's unfairness or shit just happening sometimes, Plato started complaining that the gods weren't perfect so they couldn't be gods for a reason (platonic ideal of gods in Timaeus)
>>729020324>zeus talks like an actual god, condescending and arrogant with a hint of feigned mercy>fast forward to the onions era>odin talks like a generic marvel villain from the fag center of san franciscoI could never stomach it. The dialogue ruined everything for me.also making thor into muh recovering alcolohic trope was even worse. At least baldur was decent
>>729022590NTA but there was that time he raped that chick in a temple, and that other time..
>>729023004That was him criticizing the myths as an inaccurate representation of the gods, especially in regards to Homer. Mythology does not equal religion
>>729022119The Greek Gods punished a Titan for giving man increased intelligence and self-reliance. They condemn every mortal to the underworld for torment and pain. Zeus, Poseidon and Hades or others will rape and kidnap women or punish them for something outside their control, because they forgot to sacrifice a lamb on Tuesday or didnt wash their handw before entering a sacred temple. To be frank, they’re assholes who hate and villify mortals for their own amusement.
>>729022025People often forget that the greek pantheon was the subject of massive character assassination from the romans and later victorians.The worst stories were often exaggerated or outright fabricated by them
>>729023617Such as?
>>729023709A fuck ton from that edgelord Ovid (The Garth Ennis of Ancient Rome), because of him, everyone thinks Poseidon raped Medusa and Athena turned her into a monster where that never actually happened in greek mythology. The metamorphoses is full of crap like this and it isn't even an actual greek source but it gets used a primary source for greek mythology anyway
>>729023349What Plato was doing was rejecting the religion outright, separating the myths from the mythology is a bend-over-backwards argument. If the gods have no foibles and their stories aren't or can't be accurate then there's no distinction between the gods and the entire religion is void. His platonic ideal of the gods works both ways, his need for them to be perfect has little or no bearing on them and their stories
>>729023927So the romans forged greek pottery and murals depicting abductions and such as well then?
>>729020324Well before they retconned it in 3 Zeus “betrayed” Kratos because Kratos started doing the same shit Zeus had Kratos kill Ares over.
>>729022025These types of statements hold as much water as those of widespread homosexuality in ancient Greece. Ancient theology is the paleontology of history - whiners making authoritative statements based on assumptions with shaky foundations.Shut up and enjoy the bing bing wahoos.
>>729024926This, theology and paleontology are both fake made-up shit.
Does kratos ever acknowledge the other god named kratos?(never played the series)
>>729020324kratos is zeus's son and the sisters of destiny foretold that he would be killed by his son. kratos was never meant to kill ares btw. then athena wasnt supposed to save him from that cliff
>>729028683Kratos was a godkiller before he killed Ares. Persephone is a goddess, an Olympian and he killed her. If their objective was to avert the prophecy of a mortal man slaying gods, they did a piss poor job at it.
Kratos already DID betray him, by constantly waging war across the patron cities of Olympian gods, the same way Ares was doing in GOW1. But, the way Kratos saw it, the gods had already betrayed HIM by lying about taking his nightmares away in GOW1 and getting his brother killed in Ghost of Sparta. So yeah, the gods are still dicks, but it's still not as simple as "Zeus arbitrarily decided to betray Kratos for no reason"
>>729022119The gods believe that Kratos's sin is unforgivable and must never be forgotten
>>729022119Kinslaying is one of the most unforgivable things in Greek. That's why Hercules had to do his labors to redeem himself and he still ended up in agony before tossing himself into a volcano before the Gods told him it was enough.
>>729029562>hera forces hercules to kill his family>everyone blames him for it
>>729029835He should have been a better man.
>>729030061He was a great man until a woman fucked him up.
>>729023292>NTA but there was that time he raped that chick in a temple, and that other time..Whoa whoa, he was just giving her the hospitality of his dick.
>>729021187Kratos is also a son of Zeus, you retarded zoomer. Why do you discuss games that you haven't played
>>729022590The Greco-Romans believed that the gods were beyond human morality. Murder, incest, rape, etc were all terrible by human standards, but Zeus can't be judged by human standards. The gods were the embodiments of nature, who often destroyed cities with storms and earthquakes for literally no reason. So they didn't think they were bad but they certainly didn't think they were good either
Weren't all the greek gods still afraid of Nyx. She was like 3 generations ahead.
>>729030356Yeah but kratos is a demi, not full god it's different
>>729030475Zeus at one point thought Athena would kill him so he swallowed her pregnant mother who was a Titan and she burst out of his head with a sword in hand.
>>729020324yeah, that's pretty specifically what greek gods do. they're dumb and capricious and fuck up everything they touch.
>>729031680Cute!
