I can't decide between WoW, FFXIV and GW2.What is the better MMO to play? What are the differences between them?
Each MMO excels at something different>PvEWoW, OSRS>LevelingFFXIV, GW2>PvPWoW>RaidingWoW>RoleplayFFXIV>polishWoW
>>729021009pick your poison>wowdungeon simulator>ffxivvisual novel with new content that dies within a week
>>729021009WoW classic
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>>729021009>mmo in 2025MMOs ended with Wotlk and Lich King
>>729021156Leveling in XIV is not that great. It's boring before 50 and depending on the job, it's boring until lvl+10 of when it was introduced. And they pruned too many skills with each new expac, without thinking of the thinking experience. Remember the blm rework, it was fucking ass until they moved one spell from 72 to 16 or something to switch to ice.You can't spam duties. AR is always crystal tower. Trials and Raids give nothing next to Main Scenario and PVP... Fates are turbo boring and most expac have a deep dungeon as the leveling zone... Come on, deep dungeons were already a decade outdated when it released, it's been 10 years and almost nothing changed lmao.Main job leveling is also kinda bad if you don't count the MSQ. There are barely fights between quests (and it's 2-3 mobs). Solo duties are too rare.
>>729021009It's easy.If you are a tranny, play FFXIV. Now, if you're a tranny, play WoW. And finally, if you happen to be a tranny, play GW2.
>>729021009don't play mmos
>>729021009None of those are MMOs
>>729021009RETVRN
gib wildstar back
just play classic (anniversary) wowall the other games including retail and classic (mop) wow are in their zombie arc
>>729024306you're beyond mindbroken
>>729025128just play turtle
>>729026037it's also zombie wow
>>729026420Perhaps, but at least it's free.
>>729026037>just sink in a bunch of time into something thats inevitably gonna get shutdown within the next year
>>729021009neither you retard. play some real games instead of funding dogshit games running on fumes
>>729026738They won't shut it down until classic +
>>729026738but enough about retail
>>729021156switch wow and ffxiv for pve and leveling and add ffxiv for raiding and youve got that right
>>729021009>xivperpetually afk gooners and giga casuals who prove that no matter how much you dumb down a game it wont be enough for the lowest common denominator >wowretarded jajas and jaded boomers who havent enjoyed the game in over 15 years but still refuse to unsub or play anything elsepick whichever flavour of shit sounds least appalling
>try to play wow ((classic))>literally every zone is full of bots and niggerplayers>can't quest because everything is camped>can't even grind because everything is camped>literal only way to level up is to buy dungeon boostsamazing """gameplay""" blizzard
>>729028264>jajasA jarjarbink?
this but im thinking of trying runescape/maplestory/ragnarok i just want something with class autismmaybe smt imagine
>>729021009XIV if you like Final Fantasy. Honestly it's the only good mainline title since the PS2 era. Also the free trial for XIV is way better than WoW's, which remains to this day an absolute joke.
How long does it take to level in retail WoW?
>>729031743you can get to 80 in like 2 or 3 hours right now if you level through remix
im playing runescape 3 but the more that i play it the more i start to question why im playing runescape 3
>>729033008rs3 is fine, it is a bit smaller than osrs but its not bad. They're removing MTX soon iirc which should help out.
>>729021009instead of paying a sub i rather pick up f2pshit like where winds meet or warframe
>>729021156how tf is 14 good for leveling. its literally just a VN with a fucking dungeon finder attached to it. god stfu you stupid tranny.
>>729031380bump
>>729021009I don't play GW2. Between the WoW and XIV, WoW has XIV handedly beat on most fronts these days, particularly if you are a solo-oriented player at endgame. Where XIV really shines is in the story (until Dawntrail), including all of the side stories in the raid series, beast tribes and the like. Not so much the sidequests in the open world however, which are mostly boring. Additionally, the graphics are better in most ways, though there are things that I really dislike about their character creators that makes it difficult for me to make a male character that I like.As far as gameplay goes, WoW just beats it. The combat is better, the options for endgame are better (in that there is more than just raiding), just the fact that there are multiple specs for the classes is kind of a huge win for WoW. Even housing is now better in WoW. Transmog/glamour are kind of a toss-up. WoW has a far superior collection system for appearances. XIV has dyes. Also, XIV is now unlocking glamour across Jobs, which is a huge win. I hope WoW lifts both of those things. Also, I like that all mounts can fly in XIV. Has that been implemented yet? If so, I'm logging in.
trannydem is talking about retail lmao
>>729021009I think retail WoW and OSRS are both good, just depends on what you're looking for. XIV isn't a bad game but it really lacks content at the endgame unless you're into the social RP scene.
just play wow and gw2 for downtimeits over for xiv unless they completely revolutionize the game
>>729021009FFXIV isn't an MMORPG. Rust can render more players on screen at the same time than FFXIV can, think about that.
>>729033827behold, the wowcuck who is so fucking sunk cost stockholmed he's doubled right back around
>>729033827> Where XIV really shines is in the story (until Dawntrail)Nah, 6.1-6.55 was complete ass as well.
>>729021009XIV is a single player game with raids attached, the raids are meh and ultimates are only cleared through cheating and the story which was what kept people around is now dogshit, if you want the real mmo experience you'll need to grind through 100 hours of story to get to itGW2 feels dead but has vertical progression so you don't have to worry about being left behind if you take a break and you can always go back to old contentWoW is essentially incomprehensible for a new player you're thrown midway in to an expansion with years of abandoned half baked systems and even the new new player experience which was supposed to fix everything incorporates old characters pretending like it means anything to a new player then you play through a chopped up version of an old expansion that you have zero context for if you absolutely are dead set on starting an mmo and haven little to no experience with any of them GW2 is probably the best bet not because its the best out of the 3 but because its the most new player friendly
Nigga FFXIV has like a 200 hours worth of content free trial. Why spend money on any of these if you dont know what you like first?
>>729032523What about not?
I miss not having an mmo to play having spent over 10k hours each in ffxiv and wow. WoW is far too gone and there's nothing for me to return to, and ffxiv has managed to kill my motivation to play with their shittiest expansion yet, which made me realize that I've only played it for years after quitting wow to fill the hole in my chest, I never even truly enjoyed it. Once I realized that, I just quit and never looked back. Every other mmo on the market is already dead or has so much content to catch up with it would take a literal year or two of playing every day.Evey new mmo thats coming out sucks ass. Ashes of creation, dune mmo, throne and liberty, new world, blue protocol, pax dei, where winds meet, you name it, it's all dead
>>729034654It's unlimited time as long as you don't pay a penny on it's cash store and go beyond Stormblood in the story. So you're right, it's free to try out forever.
>>729034673havent done it in a year or 2 but it used to be like 6-8 hours i would say
>>729034505Endwalker itself is where it started to go downhill>what if we waste years of buildup and kill off our main villain in one of the lamest mid leveling trials ever then introduce some new power source to solve everything instead of anything else from the years of lore we have and then shove all of that in to a paradoxical time loop because fuck you
>>729024306fpbp
14 played as basically a single player game up to Shadowbringers or Endwalker is pretty solid, with some very cool characters and moments, but the end game is kind of lacking in much to do but what is there is usually pretty fun. Latest expansion's story sucked donkey assWoW has brainless levelling and incredibly annoying gearing requirements, but the raids and mythic+ dungeons are pretty fun to doGW2 I haven't played much of, what I did play was pretty much just running around in the world aoeing down mobs and occasionally finding a neat jumping puzzle
>>729034734I thought the trial went through Shadowbringers now?
>>729034707Unironically just go play a private server for a bit
>>729034848Man I've tried it, they all suck. I tried playing on turtle, stormforge mop (2 separate iterations), vanilla 1.0xp wotlk on lorderon warmane, I've done it all, and not once did the enjoyment last for long, I never even got to raiding. I would only level characters up to max, do a bit of initial gearing to prepare for raids and I'd leave the character like that and either start a new one or quit for a couple of months before getting the next itchAnd it's not even the game itself that kills my interest, it's the shitty community of the private servers. They're filled with nothing but brownoids, chinks, russians and spaniard retards. It's borderline impossible to play with any of them. They all act like mentally disabled teenagers or 50 year old grandpas, there's nothing in between
>>729021009EVE online > the rest
>>729033827>Also, XIV is now unlocking glamour across Jobs, which is a huge win. I hope WoW lifts both of those things. Also, I like that all mounts can fly in XIV. Has that been implemented yet? If so, I'm logging in.Update: I logged in, and this change is live. Sweet. I hate playing Scholar, but I love the look.
I play both xiv and classic wow (well, waiting for tbc now).XIV respects your time a lot more, and ARR to EW you have a lot of cool stuff to look forward. People dislike ARR msq but I think it's fine, the only real stinker is post ARR MSQ. HW, ShB and EW are some of the best writing in games I've ever experienced. I also loved part of SB.Alas, the current expansion is some of the worst writing I have experienced. It's worse than you can imagine.I would play XIV, knowing 1. stop before Dawntrail msq starts 2. it's a VN with some multiplayer elements.If you want an actual mmo, tbc classic.
>>729035576Why not play xi if you want a story
>>729034806EW has one of the best coolest endings ever, and if Ishikawa was allowed to kill the WoL it would have had the best ending in the medium as a whole.
>>729021009Return to Guild Wars 1
Endwalker sucked as a conclusion of everything they've built up over 10 years of their hard work. It felt completely rushed, unnecessary and left a giant whole in the series that they've been unable to fill up. It was the most disastrous thing that happened to this game and people still prefer to blame it on DT instead
>>729035898Also it ruined garlemald because they can't do scale, the big evil empire that's conquered half the known world is actually a few rows of buildings in a snowy field with nothing else around
EW is female written. Women will see stuff like "that I can't deny" and love it, while men will get stuck thinking about Garlemald like this guy >>729035898
>>729021156>wow>pvelmfao? xiv raids are 100x more fun than whatever wow has put out in the last 10 years.
>>729036061garlemald fags are genuinely more annoying and less funny than zodiark trancers
>>729021009GW2 is still the most fun I've had playing an MMO. It's just ridiculously casual, and while I played it to 80 on release, I played it again during Covid lockdowns with a group of 5 friends and it was still good. Player base is fine, between 50,000 to 150,000 players daily average (don't go by steam charts, most older players aren't using steam as a launcher)
>>729036831>It's just ridiculously casual >casual
>>729037068yeah, it's casual, as MMO's should be because I don't want to require sweaty reflexes when I'm playing in Australia on 300 ping. And it's casual in that you will often just group up with people in the open world and run big quest lines together. And it's casual in that even WvWvW gameplay, it's just a massive zerg rush where nothing you really do matters too much as long as you're there. And it's casual in that world bosses are also massive group partys where you basically can't die because the 200+ people that show up will res you as soon as you drop. It's just a good time exploring and playing dressups. The only downside is that the expansions stopped adding jumping puzzles.
>>729034707how do you play a game for 10k hours and only just figure out that you never enjoyed it. i have half that in xiv and even if dawntrail is bad i still have fun raiding with my friends.
>>729034806zodiark was already defeated pre EW you absolute fucking retard
>>729036182Stormblood and Shadowbringers was also written by a woman
>>729021009None are particularly good, but XIV I guess? Or GW2 if you're too poor for the monthly sub. WoW is irredeemable trash now.
>>729021156I'd give 14 more credit for pve and raids, using universal markers makes it the easiest game to come back to since general mechanics are very apparent.Also GW2 is superior for exploration and movement across the world.>>polish>WoWIf you've ever played WoW on a Tuesday you know this is horseshit. Though the gameplay is silky smooth.
>>729037531>how do you play a game for 10k hours and only just figure out that you never enjoyed itCovid+Quitting Wow+Severe Depression+Shitty life situation+Escapism+Completionist Autism+NeetBelieve it or not I've spend 90% of that time all by myself without talking to anyone, just grinding achievements mounts minions cards and anything possible in the entire game. I've only realized how retarded that was when I got better last year. Again, wasn't able to touch the game ever since
>>729037468a purely casual mmo never survives, gw2 before it's first expansion was bleeding the fuck out of players when all there was to do was fractals once you reached max level. heart of thorns actually adding endgame stuff that is not just running fractals over and over again saved the game.
>>729021009I'm waiting for Ascension Conquest of Azeroth to fucking release already. Played on an open beta and it was fun as fuck. Other than that, Bronzebeard is alright. If you pay for an inferior experience you're a sucker. Retail WoW and FF14 are both shit for different reasons.
>>729021009Play XIV
>>729031380>ignored the entire threadyou know what i think mmo threads are just botsyou guys fucking suck
>>729021009xiv hasnt really been good since 2017 and it is getting worse and worse each year
>>729021009None. But I would say ff14 just because it has an ending and you can stop playing at the end of endwalker.
>>729035576>the current expansion is some of the worst writing I have experienced. It's worse than you can imagine.This weirdly motivates me to catch up on the story after trying and failing to get into XIV a few times over the years. I have a morbid curiosity that must be satisfied, I need to witness the trainwreck personally.
>>729040701go for it, experience the PEAK that is ShB and compare it to how dogshit DT is, the difference is insane
>>729040701Sadly it doesn't really jump any sharks or anything it's just really fucking boring with completely uninteresting charactersYou help some retard tour her own stupid taco country that she knows nothing about so she can be named the next queen, then her brother gets butthurt about it
>>729041029God I loved Shadowbringers except for the parts that kinda sucked, it was so nice
>>729041302Fuck forgot pic
>>729021009you can play them for free until a certain level.
>>729041357Emet was great
>>729041452isn't WoW's free trial level cap at 20?i think it was when i tried it years ago
>>729041357FF14s writers forgot about this for Dawntrail.
>>729041556He clearly didn't believe his own bullshit even in ShadowbringersHe's depressed every time he's reminded that people aren't as great as they once were, not hostile at themIf it weren't for what he thought needed to be done he would have zero issues coexisting with our retarded asses
I'm sailing in OSRS currently. FFXIV lost me in Dawntrail. I tried to play during the free weekend but it still felt dull. I played since 1.0 release so I could stomach some real dogshit. WoW lost me around Dragonflight release when it was broken and would not spawn the boat for me to even start so I just called it quits.
>implying EW was good
>>729021156Is the joke that people post this gif alongside a shitty opinion as bait, or is it some kind of avatarfag that somehow manages to be very consistently wrong?
>>729041959it's bad because?hardmode: don't mention it was "rushed" because of the ShB boom
>>729021009XIV if you take HRTWoW or RS if you dontGW 2 if you also like to beat up bigots
if you like final fantasy youll probably like xiv
>>729021009These are all bad. Play something like ESO that doesn't pretend to have an endgame or something like LOTRO that actually cares about its setting
>>729021009>What is the better MMO to playthe better option is City of Heroes: Homecomming
SWTOR is better than bothYou can join a guild or fuck off and ignore people unlike in WoW where you are forced to be around neckbeards to get BiS
>"DRAGONS could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this zone before. There could be DRAGONS anywhere!" The cool Dravanian wind felt good against his bare chest. "I HATE DRAGONS", he thought. Maker's Ruin reverberated his entire lance, making it pulsate even as the Blood of the Dragon circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of reptiles after dark. "With a High Jump, you can go anywhere you want." He said to himself, out loud.
>>729043136>cultists could be here, he thought
MMOs are only good for ERP
>>729044751only if you're a fag or a woman
>>729021009why the fuck would you want to play an mmo?
>>729043205>eso combat
>MMO thread>look inside>world first race to say "FFXIV doesn't count"
>>729045280that pic is 321kb thoughbeit
>>729041357>he bad guy is actually....LE GOODbravo yoshida
>>729041798tragic. dragonflight unironically saved the game which is why the only criticism people can muster is talking about gay centaur npcs you run into for 10 minutes while leveling
>>729045408anon i...
>>729044751AI is better at ERP.
>>729045728only if you're soulless
>>729045495Nah nigga the only things Dragonglight had going for it was that the new flying mechanics were pretty fun and some of the black Dragonflight stuffRest of the expansion sucked ass
>>729045408That's not how the story went at all anonI guess you could argue it kind of became that in Endwalker after he fucking dies and had no hope of completing his goals, but in Shadowbringers he is very much your villain doing things that are bad for you
>>729046142no, the flying parts sucked. im talking about the gameplay which was incredibly good and satisfying. unfortunately its getting dumbed down to xiv levels in midnight
>>729046332Oh so we're back to pretending WoW wasn't just push button see big number pop up as your character swings a wiffle bat again?Sorry didn't know
>>729046527you can make this brash generalization about any game. i accept your concession
>>729046717Bro I fucking love pushing a button repeatedly to fill a meter and then pushing another button repeatedly to empty a meterAnd when that one button glows that lets me fill up the meter a whole bunch aww man I fucking coom it's so satisfying and visceral
i think FFXIV has better gameplay. i like how it has combo abilities, makes the rotations feel really fluid
>>729046825It really begs the question why you are in an mmo thread if you make attempts at satirical posts like this
>>729021009>FFXIV and WowRaidtranny garbage. FFXIV is more single-player than MMO>GW2Boring horizontal progression. Even more gay and faggy than nu-WoW's writing.Just play a WoW private server and save your money.
>>729046960>You can only participate in an MMO thread if you pretend my MMO has good combatLike I wouldn't have even argued if you tried to say that boss mechanics were fun to do or whatever I'd have agreed with you fully, but pretending tab target combat is worth anything at all is fuckin laughable
>>729046289thats the thesis, yes. the emet guy is mirroring the wol is in an attempt to save his people. its an extremely elementary way of writing a "relatable villain" character
>>729021009I'D rule out wow unless you plan on playing Turtlewow
>>729047072>i joined the thread of a genre while heavily disliking one of the main facets of said genreyou should try joining one of the nikke threads and complain about hyper sexualization next
>>729047203>Villains MUST do evil things for no reason>They MUST NOT have diametrically opposite goals that come at your expense but are completely understandable for the character to have>They MUST be a big Satan that wants to kill all the babies because lol lmao
>>729047417Bro I've got a fucking WoW account up to Dragonflight, I raided up to AQ40 on Nost, I dabbled in Guild Wars, I played 14 two fucking days agoI'm free to share opinions on this, and tab targetting sucks ass
>>729047426>arguing in absolutesi noticed you didnt deny anything i said. thats interesting
>>729047726Bro you called it an elementary way to write villains after essentially saying "villain having motivations bad"
>>729047530Not him, but I think tab target is still really fun. PvP is some of the best and mogs MOBAs.
>>729047530just admit you dont actually like mmos
>>729046940FFXIV artifact armors and general class/job aesthetic clears WoW tiers so hard it's insane
>>729047884I enjoy the feeling of comraderie as you beat a boss with a bunch of other guys, and the usually neat puzzley boss mechanics they haveBut yes, I very much dislike how the basic combat of them usually goes
>>729048035dark knight and dragoon for sure.both games aesthetic for paladin sucks ass.warriors, death knights and demon hunters are a breed of cool that final fantasy simply cant match.
>>729048249Warrior sucks ass
>>729048318nah, they nail the sword and board theme perfectly. miss me with that faggotry of thinking paladins do it better
>>729048249>Yo bro hop on WoW we got>Spikey shoulders>Spikey shoulders with skulls>Shirtless elf
>>729048404Part of it sucking is that Warriors especially out of the lot don't have a clear-cut aesthetic or theme to their various tier designsIs it a gladiator, is it a fully armored knight, is it a walking pile of blades, who knows, it changes every tier, it pingpongs aesthetically between FF's Dark Knight and FF's Warrior/Berserker
what's your favorite non-sub based MMORPG?thinking of either going back to maplestory or GW2
>>729048437>white mage is wearing white>black mage is wearing black>red mage is wearing redff jobs can be generalized like this too btw>>729048606thats because warriors arent defined by one role. you have completely different vibes from each of their 3 specs
>>729048680I'm oddly fond of Maplestory's leveling
>>729048742>ff jobs can be generalized like this too btwEhhhhh FF jobs are substantially less samey in their designs than WoW classes/tier armors are. It comes with the territory of many of those designs having their roots in NES and SNES era sprites where you have to have an EXTREMELY clear aesthetic so you know what you're looking at on limited screen pace on a sprite that is most likely not even 64x64.That and WoW's armor designers just kinda suck in general. I get it, they cater to the superhero and He-Man grug fantasy aesthetics, but they're not very imaginative with it on the whole.
>>729045239ESO combat is bad, but pretending WoW and FFXIV aren't also bad is wild.
Redpill me on FFXI.It's on sale and I'm tempted
>>729021156If you have above average gaming skills FFXIV raiding is cakewalk. Do you enjoy playing with 7 other people through DDR jump rope simulator? Getting into it will be fine and interesting enough but if you are a type of person that wants to get "good" at something then WoW raiding will be more for you.This is someone who raids primarily ultimate/week 1 savage stuff im FFXIV. Raiding in FFXIV is flashy and cool but when it comes down to it they are just knowledge checks. Being good mechanically means nothing in this game but it is true at the same time that FFXIV raids carry a lot more responsibility and have more complicated mechanics.
>>729048993Macros macros macros macros macros macros macros macros macros GEARSET, GEARSET
>>729021009I wish I bought Final Fantasy XIV, but I bought WoW and now I'm stuck with it for the next couple months at least.
How is it in 2025? Playing an MMO for the story is fucking gay though is there any raiding or PvP scene of any kind in this game anymore?
>>729049156>Playing an MMO for the story is fucking gay thoughDude it's Star Wars, there's no real reason to play it otherwise.
>>729048884>heres why that doesnt count and its okay when ff does itit is pretty fascinating how many af sets overlap with each other. eventually they just started looking like random dungeon sets
>>729049234Problem being I can tell those are all White Mage at a glance. The only reason I can tell Warrior sets apart is when I see they're tagged as Warrior sets in WoWhead. It's actually a good thing I can tell all of those are White Mage at a glance!
>>729049156It's the RPG to FFXIV's JRPG.
>>729049376FFXIV has raid content though
>>729048884why would you type all of that and then post a generic ass armor set like that
>>729049625visit an optometrist
>>729048993this game is so dated its borderline unplayable which is why everyone who plays it has to make a billion macros and use a shit ton of qol mods. they designed it like a ps 2000s era console rpg so its clunky as shit. even everquest feels more modern despite being 7 years older
Is it mentally ill behavior to play more than one mmo at once?
>>729045280Merry Christmas anons
wow is ugly in a very offensive way, wannabe disney employees.
>>729021009Depends on what you want. WoW for gameplay, FF14 for a kino story up until Dawntrail which is putrid rat shit.FF14 is also a little more friendly to non-sweats and non-NEETs as leveling is extremely fast, you can use all classes on the same character, and you can pretty much go all the way to current content without grinding as long as you're sticking to a single class. Downside is that FF14 is fucking rampant with troons and has been constantly ddos'd by chinks lately.
>>729050031I agree for the most part, but I think the Pandaren girls are cute.
>>729021009Try out the f2p version of osrs. It's the quickest one to find out whether you like it or notIf you don't, love on to gw2 if you care about functional quest design or xiv if you care about story. If it doesn't mesh with you, try the other oneif none of these three appealed to you, sadly you're shit out of luck and I'd genuinely just recommend you wait until a new mmo comes out so you can play it at launch because even if the game is shit, the launch period will be funWow is dogshit, don't even try it
>>729049035The hardest thing I had access to in wow was easier than any post L50 savage or ex Wow has nothing that's interesting or challenging >But bro you can't just play the first 4 expansions you have to buy all 17 and after 3000 hours it gets fun and challenging trust meFuck off
>>729021009play the XIV free trialdon't touch WoWdon't touch GWnever sub never donateHRT rots the brain
>>729038690>a purely casual mmo never survivesDon't look now anon but its 5 xpacs in
>>729052817did you read the rest of my post or did your eyes glaze over
>>729029406>He doesn't know how to play video games!It sucks to be you!
>>729053614Do you really think gw2 isn't still the most casual mmo out there?
>>729021009None of those.Play OSRS or GW1 instead.>>729021156>leveling >xivNo. If you meant the story progression as an experience, sure.
>>729054005i never said it wasn't i just said it being purely casual was leading to its downfall, which is why arena net pivoted hard in it's first expansion and kept with that formula instead. ff14 is also a fairly casual game, but the existence of savage keeps people playing. especially so in JP.
