When did World of Warcraft officially fall from grace?
>>729025258When it launched as a supercasual MMO in 2004.
>>729025420>Classic wow>SupercasualAh yes... the supercasual MMORPG. Where it took a month of all-day leveling to reach the max level, I had to fill out a guild application, wait for an open raid slot, and compete with 5 other players when the piece of gear I wanted finally dropped 18.5% of the time.
>>729025625And none of that required an ounce of skill because it was a casual game made for retards
you know when
>>729025705getting 40 psychopaths to behave to even get said loot, to distribute said pixels to the subhumans without the entire thing falling apart is the hardest game known to man.
>>729025718Wow they really went hard to get all those DEI check marks checked.Brave and stunning.
>>729025718>Mandatory LGBTQ attire for pride month>Humiliation ritual as you're forced into a group photo for all to seeI'd be horribly demoralized.
>>729025718
>>729025258>>729025568>>729025718>>729025731>>729026186There was once a time where world of warcraft had 12 million players. Not 12 thousand, not 120,000, 12 million. Its influence, mechanics, attention to detail, immersive atmosphere, and social interactions made it into a genre-defining titan.How did it become... this?
>>729025625That was casual at the time.
>>729025258Talking about it will get someone a three day vacation from /v/, but rest assured, there are very precise times where WoW fell.
>>7290252583.3.0 release
>>729025258When it stopped being a vehicle for people to interact with each other and hang out. People point to the end of Wrath and the start of Cataclysm as the time where the game itself took a dive in quality. But broadly speaking no matter how good the game managed to be, it was always going to fall out of fashion from social media becoming more and more popular.
>>72902657812m subs, not people actually playingThey would check it out, drop it by level 30 and forget to cancel their sub for a few months
>>729026186the breastmilk thief
>>7290252582013:2014 when changs tried to take over for chinese censorship and shutting down of dissent about Hong Kong.>>729025952Diplomacy and communicating orders well truly is hard for gamers.
>>729025625And yet it was still considered casual compared to the established MMOs at the time, because you could level in 3 hours instead of 12+ hoursWhere "mandatory" gear pieces had 1-2% drop rates, etc.WoW was considered casual because it was actually possible to make some progress solo in 30 minutes, instead of minimum 3 hour sessions.You didn't even experience xp loss or drop loot on death, there were no corpse runs, the only penalty for death was two minutes of time lost.Not to mention having fast travel everywhere, in Everquest or FFXI traveling to a new city or continent took an hour or more before unlocking expensive warps late game. Imagine having to sit on a transport boat for 60 MINUTES
>>729025258oh, you know...
>>729026764He's literally a felon who would've gotten 5:20 years for white collar crimes (probably 5 and chance of parole at 2 and half.) if he was sentenced and charged on US soil. Literally a foreign criminal Jew is arming anti-white propagandists, weaponizing terrorist groups and promoting Zionism whilst receiving protection by being an "Eternal Victim" of the Holocaust.
>>729027170>Imagine having to sit on a transport boat for 60 MINUTESthis guy hasn't done the wetlands runto answer op>when did wow get shitstarted in cata
WoW has gotten so gay and retarded and has FUCKED up their lore so much that even describing the current events in the game would make it seem like I was literally just making shit up
>>729025258The seeds of its downfall were planted as early as TBC with low-effort "content" like Heroics. The Activision buyout and the dumb horse were the final nail in the coffin.
>>729027170>I played games that were less casual than classic wowI feel sorry for you. I don't know how anyone can enjoy a game like that.
>>729025705i don't think you comprehend what supercasual even means, you just want to use it as a slur for a mmo that killed the mmo's you likedi get, i liked a lot of mmo's that died to wow, but it's not a good argument to say wow addicts were supercasual
>>729026578infiltrated by sodomites whose only goal is to spread their fag misery because they hate themselves
>>729025568Is this in the game, or is this a very bad machinima?
>>729027217i hate disney and everyone disney rejects do to the entertainment industry
>>729027775It's in the game
>>729027170So your argument for why World of Warcraft officially fell from grace, is because it didn't copy the traveling mechanics of dead mmo's?Are you retarded?
>>729026578When they released the sparkle pony and realized that milking lots of money from a small group of desperate consumerist pigs was more profitable than getting a little money from as many people as possible.
>>729026578the retards who consumed only blizzslop are the ones working on the game now.you think people want to work for the company located in commiefornia that steals employees' breastmilk and is notorious for giving its employees coffee beans to stave off hunger for anything but (((passion))) for their products? LMAO
>>729027863I never even said WoW fell from grace
>>729027926>the retards who consumed only blizzslop are the ones working on the game now.There are people that do it better and right.
>>729027926pretty sure that breastmilk retardation was just a way to tank the stock & get rid of whatever remained of the old guard before microshit buyout
>>729025625You never played EverQuest or dark age of Camelot or ultima online or ffxi or...
>>729028025Least fanatical blizzdrone.
>>729025258The official fall was in WoD when they stopped releasing subscriber numbers. Garrisons instead of player housing was a such a slap in the face. Would have taken 0 effort to make one of the buildings a regular house with a bedroom. They were so adamant about not doing what people wanted.
>>729027872I wonder if people would have vomited in disgust if they knew just how insane the microtransactions would become in the future.
>>729028227Seeing Activision pull that shit shouldn't really be surprising to anyone. What REALLY voids my insides in both directions is seeing the amount of people who fell for it.
>>729028227>90$>"micro" transaction.That is more than the base game, and the two recent expansions put together.
>>729028306Look at all those little piggies that ate at the feeding trough. Slurp up the slop, blizzdrones.
>>729027965You posted this >>729025420 in direct response to the OP >>729025258Look, I get that you want older school mmo's, I do too, but arguing about them isn't good, you aren't the right type of voice for it.
>>729028176that xpc's launch was a disaster. constant realm crashes. characters stuck in a shadow realm with no NPCs or objects anywhere, stuck in that state for days if not weeks. and not a single refund or compensation for gametime wasted. gee i wonder why the playerbase tanked.
WoW killed itself when they started stealing from their customers and censoring communication.
>>729025952no, its getting 10 core members who knows what to do and finding 30 knuckledraggers
>>729028176>player housingGo play sims you fucking mongoloid
>>729025258Ask not when all of the classic franchises became gay and lame. Ask yourself when us gamers stopped filtering the people who like that out of the hobby. Every single one of you who ever wanted a gamer girlfriend, every one of you that complained about fantasy being stagnant, all of the fools (myself included) that kept giving them last chance after last chance until mediocrity was the best we dared to hope for. We got bored of simple, pulpish fantasy where men fought orcs, and we allowed it to collapse. Now fantasy is about pink-ahired cripples and smirking furries, and we only have ourselves to blame.
>>729025258to be fair gods have no concept of gender.
>>729028727Except those oldschool MMOs still exist, and I never went back to them. I never even said they were good, just that vanilla WoW was more casual compared to them
>>729028176>Garrisons instead of player housing was a such a slap in the face.I'll be honest, there's so many vacant houses in certain areas of the game. Look at Ironforge. The player housing issue could have been solved with people roleplaying it out in those.Now, World of warcraft is going to have player housing, but dataminers have discovered that a lot of it is going to be hidden behind microtransactions.
>>729028765>People fawning over this repulsive characterthese are paid blizzard shills, right?
>>729029029>a lot of it is going to be hidden behind microtransactionsand blizzdrones will lap it the fuck up just like they did with the dinosaur.and then they will point and laugh and whataboutism [OTHER GAME] when they release another retarded cosmetic that looks similar to another set fully obtainable in the game.
Trump will save WoW. Executives at Blizzard are going to prison for DEI
>>729029147yes
>>729025258it's always been a nigger-tier game
>>729025258it fell from grace long before you lads got convinced to seethe about american idpol 24/7
>>729025625>doesn't lose levels / skills / items when you dieyeah, casual, faggot.
>>729029204>Trump will save WoW.How can trump save wow, when they're making him a raid boss?
>>729028765
Every single time this thread is made is another time I answer "when Activision bought it, you bootlicker"
>>729025258>theres LGBT characters!!is this really the only argument you thought was necessary? nothing about gameplay? nothing about the technical state? uhhh…
WoW is just the fortnite of MMOs. a necessary evil that soaks up all the horrible ideas and pandering so that the other games can actually be focused and good.unfortunately, there hasnt been an mmo thats actually been that good since.
>>729028765>>729029229
>>729029296>some faggot talking to himself on a privately made discord server (see the exact length on the timestamps)>absolutely zero evidence of anythingAre you retarded or falseflagging? We don't need to make bullshit up to talk shit about this garbage company, anon.
>>729029425>yoshida out in the wildbased
>>729029362Typically when Gender/sex/race is brought to the forefront, that means that they have sacrificed gameplay quality for identity politics. See Shadowlands and Dragonflight.
>>729028921Doesn't matter, we already moved on to AI.
>>729029362when the number 1 reason wow players have to shittalk ffxiv is "i read on 4chan some players are trannies" yes, yes it is.
>>729029487I thought Dragonflight was fine gameplay wise.
>>729025420Not sure I would say WoW was "super casual". There were some casual gameplay elements for sure, but you still have to remember that a lot of what WoW is was designed by disgruntled EQ players, and EQ arguably started the downfall of MMO's by trying to appeal yo mass market once it became popular and well known.
>>729028765"we stan black women in this house" would be the most creepily racial thing for a real black woman to hear in real life lmao.i love how you know, deep down, all these people cross the street and think extremely racist shit in real life and this is all a cover.
>>729029362Why would you give your money to a company that hates you and wants you extinct?
>>729029538if anything it's hazzikostas being in charge *again* after finally getting the chance to have somebody else as a creative lead for a while and unfuck itself that's the total death knell for the game ever seriously improvingwell, like, that and the activision ownership and then the microsoft ownership, obviously, but ion sucks ass as a creative
>>729029590wut?
>>729029029Doesn't matter at this point. Allowing gay rapists free reign meant even if there are still women playing there is no way to find or trust them.
>>729029557>launches with instances when EQ1 didn't have them until late and EQOA never had them>fast leveling>very little contested raid contentIt's supercasual.
>>729029538Dragonflight had shit lore, standard gameplay, and they decided to make their new mounts run on gas and physics. Nothing about dragonflight stood out, or will make people revisit its zones. The expansion felt so generic.
>>729029658You didn’t have to include the rapist part given that it was developed by straight rapists before.
>>729025258>/pol/nigger assumes everyone is a retarded /pol/nigger like he is
>>729029362If you went to a restaurant and the chef bent you over and shoved his cock up your ass would you feel the need to complain about your steak being overcooked?
First death: CataSecond death: WoDThird death: Shadowlands
>>729029717no see it's OK when they're strait hwite mails>rapes blizzard north for everything it's worth>can't keep their cocks out of the break-room mini fridges and the honeyed breast milk inside>*busts ur unions* :3c>sells to microsoft so they can also be included in the "total death of the western gaming industry" thing
What grace did this morbid excuse of a game about farming bear asses and suffering unimaginable monotony ever have?
>>729029538They completely fucked up flying and called it their main feature.
>>729029717to be fair, they were not found guilty of the accusations.
>>729029362>about gameplay?>about the technical state?same shit as it has always been
>>729029362If i'm playing a game where I have to collect 10 buzzard asses and fill out guild applications for raids, I'd rather not have to do so through a pride parade.
>>729029717I was talking about players.
>>729029024>I never even said they were good, just that vanilla WoW was more casual compared to themYour argument to the OP stating "why did WoW fall from grace?" was that it was "supercasual" and you later stated that WoW did not have "60 minute" transportation mechanics ingame compared to those other, non-casual mmo's.So your argument is that WoW fell from grace because it did not have 60 minute transportation sequences.I get that you might not like your own argument, but it's the one you made.
>>729029726Many such casesSadThey will be executedVery good
>>729029726this /pol/, are they in the room with us right now?
>>729025258WOTLK set it on the path of no return. WOTLKbabs will disagree but their opinions are not to be trusted. The xpack set a lot of bad precedence that echoed into every xpack afterwards.
>>729025258When the AV meta changed and the devs blamed the players for not interacting with the battleground the way they intended that was the first major red flag that the devs were a bunch of hacks.
>>729025258The gameplay, balance, dungeons and raids are better than ever so idk. You people read the quest text? Everyone I know uses an addon to auto-skip it. Midnight is looking like a downgrade with the modding API changes and simplified classes however.
>>729029823Your childhood was just all Fortnite, you literally cannot understand.
>>729030246The Activision buyout happened during WotLK. Objectively, there is no denying that was the biggest source of damage to the game's future.
>people trying to convince me vanilla WoW was hard>all it boiled down to was just how much free time you had to be online and having the patience to wait for 39 other retard to show up to the actual raid>literally just don't stand in shit or rip aggroI can't believe I got addicted to this shit as a teenager, and I regret it 100%alsoThe only thing I really missed from vanilla WoW was the TM/SS raids, and even then, it was just about which faction could get more people to show up
>>729025258>Pandaria ends>The Alliance took out the Warchief and literally sieged Orgimmar>Varian tells the bad guys "try this shit again and we will end you" after locking down their capital and proving they can>You plan a tree in the vale the horde ruined and the ghost of Shao Hao brings it back full circle to the trailer and tells you "to protect home, and family, that is what is worth fighting for">Your hero returns home having saved the world, defeated the legion, the scourge, the old gods and the rogue keepers and aspects>The story is over and reached its natural conclusion>The devs know this and panic>UHHHH THE DARK PORTAL TURNS BLUE AND NOW ITS A PARALELL DREANOR YOU WILL NEVER GUESS WHAT HAPPENS???>It ends with the horde drinking demon blood and summoning in the burning legion so you kill the guys you already killed. Again.That was when they gave up. It was no longer a living world. It was Destiny seasons but with a bigger pricetag.
>>729025258and now they have the biggest faggot of all: the one who made this thread
>>729030283>imagemore like>blizzdrones on their way to defend the honor of their girl(male)friend company and gargle on their HRTcock
>>729030326people had pretty shit hardware back then too, which was part of the difficulty. playing at 15 fps is a lot different than 60 fps.
>>729030283>dungeons are better than everThe dungeons in TWW fucking sucked. No exceptions
>>729030283>downgrade with the modding APIThey will 100% just remove the addons without reworking raids and combat to actually be played without them. Whats ironic is that XIV was designed this way from the start but people literally just download 3rd party cheat tools that are not beholden to any API restrictions and just essentially cheat in that game. The community who uses the cheats is about as widespread as those who use raiding addons in WoW too.
>>729025258When it launched. Imagine paying a sub for a fucking videogame. Are you stupid? Yes you fucking are.
>>729030326the game has always been fucking trash and it was only good as a venue to befriend other loser nerds. of course that died in 2007 when the normalcattle and advertisers invaded the internet.
>>729030649Large scale multiplayer games that are not ran on player servers require upkeep and funding, friend.
>>729030631They are the WoWfugees that infested XIV.
>>729030631They're already backpedalling on a ton of the addon genocide because, as it turns out, WoW players hate playing WoW.
Gay frogs?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvf6gz58xnI
>>729030836>WoW players hate playing WoWThe game fucking sucks now so who can blame them?
>>729025258During the end of Wrath of the Lich King. That's when the cracks started showing. That's when people realized that Sylvanius was being turned into a Mary Sue. That Arthus wasn't being handled with respect to his legacy or being a tragic character. After that point, it became less about making a fun stomping ground for the players to fight their pretend war against each other and more to tell a terrible "Marvel movie" story about how we need to set aside our differences to beat our oppressors. But not "Those" oppressors, those guys are actually misunderstood and always had our best interest at heart, we are just too stupid to understand it.
>>729030714Honestly asking: can you blame them? If you have at least a double digit IQ, the answer is no.If rules aren't enforced they're not rules at all. Don't blame the game. Don't blame the rule book. Blame the referee who is asleep.
>>729030870
>>729025258Objectively? Shadowlands/COVID/Lawsuit era.That's the thing that broke the spell for normies and the era that made it cool to take the piss out of wow, so everyone jumped on. It also helped that Classic wow was a thing at the time so people could go>Well yeah, new wow is cringe, terrible cool. I play wow, but the good wow. The classic wow. It's never really recovered from the image it got, or Blizzard got from that era.
>>729030993uncool*
>>729030968>Why is wellington so cuteI find it infuriating that they presented this as a dialogue option. As if the player is supposed to find him cute.
>>729031091you say that like the player character has ever had agency in this "rpg"
>>729025258I stopped playing for good sometime in the late 2010s, probably 2019.
>>729030941Yes. This is a Playstation 3 game.Imagine being such a brainlet you need a bunch of addons to play a game from the same design era as Bioshock Infinite.
>>729030993The problem is that classic wow isn't classic anymore. Not only are they recycling old content as "new" content, but they have removed emotes and artwork.
>>729030714The framework was always there and the damage was already done. They definitely did not make it any better though.
BFA is when it started to become so shit even their most avid players stopped giving a fuck.But it actually went to shit in TBC prepatch
>>729031091I unfortunately see this shit in real life. Just yesterday I had someone with some shit pitbull that were obviously inbred and trying to eat everything in the store while shopping. People stopping to say "how cute" to this smashed face piece of shit dog.
It died when the game failed to be a social MMO and everything became instanced.For example turtle WoW has a global chat that is server wide.
>>729030631Well, that's not what's happening and they've spent the last 10 weeks backpedaling and removing API restrictions. All that's going to change is that a bunch of addons will be made redundant by their functionality being baked into the default UI.
>>729031379obsoleting a bunch of addons is most likely an effort to port the game to consoles btw
>>729031189It's not just "a PS3 game". It released on PC too. If you don't account for PC players modding the shit out of your game, then you have FAILED as a developer. There is no arguing with this.But it gets worse. There's crossplay between platforms, which means PC players always have the high ground if client purity isn't enforced. XIV devs are objectively embarrassingly incompetent.
>>729025258>Bringing race/sex/gender to the forefront>Lacking in gameplay quality>remove the social aspects of the gameThis is when it failed. Private servers do it better than actual blizzard now.
>>729025258>transgender angelsOkay, what the fuck is this? When did WoW have transgender angels?
>>729025258Cataclysm killed my guild and made everything shit.
>>729026186nice transmog
>I missed another anniversary eventfuck my life
>>729031467>which means PC players always have the high ground if client purity isn't enforced.FFXIV doesn't really have anything you can cheat at that's meaningful. Complaining the devs are incompetent, over what I'm guessing is raiding tools like Splatoon that get abused, is silly. The game's biggest cheating scandals are over the bragging rights Ultimate raids, specifically their world-first races, and it's not really a secret that WoW and other MMOs that have world-first races have oodles of cheaters too.
I remember the last trailer I saw had an old woman present it at some gamecon a few months back. She was the president or something.Anyways, it showed some woman warrior fighting some woman bad guy. Some guy she's fighting alongside with falls, and she goes to fight the bad woman guy herself. Then she's about to be defeated but some ethereal looking woman warrior appears.Basically the guys were made to look worthless and the girls were empowered.There was hardly a clap afterwards.
>>729026764so he's the one i have to thank for all the sex0 mercy skins...
>>729032206>FFXIV doesn't really have anything you can cheat at that's meaningful.If it doesn't matter then why are you whining about the death of WoW mods? Nothing is meaningful right?
>>729025625It definitely was marketed as an accessible MMORPG compared to the contemporaries of the time
>>729025625look at any other mmo before wow. you sound like a retard right now. im sorry you had to find out that you are a retarded faggot this way.
>>729032793I will suplex your balls into your own asshole.
>>729028014This isn't Ascencion WoW
>>729033281>I prefer my private server to look like retail slop. I prefer ascension.
As a vanillafag and Alliance main that played every day till Siege of Orgimmar -because if you paid a monthly sub for an 18 month long patch you are a fool- but i fell off with Warlords. I was brought back with BfA because the alliance side stuff being about wickerman folk horror shit and the nautical side of the old gods was really cool. But after WoD it was clear the writing was more "uhhh, fuck, what do we have to keep the engine going?" and not some burning story to tell. Then Shadowlands happened and despite Revendreth being cool -and by all accounts a reskin of a sanlayne broken isles zone from Legion that was cut to save time on Shadowlands- it was a spit in the face to all the world building and truly insulting to the players.I've heard they have tried all sorts of copecons to try and go "uhh that wasn't real it was a titan simulation" or some shit but the damage was done and that finally got myself and even the most addicted wowbucks i know to drop the game and never look back.Whats the current expansion? wheres it set? who are the villains? what new classes, races or specs does it bring? i couldn't tell you because i don't keep up with the game anymore.Which coming from a customer who went to every blizzcon, bought every blizzard products special edition and merch constantly thats a catastrophic response for the publisher to see. I strongly believe Classic WoW saved the company. Not being one of those blinded nostalgia fags i know it has flaws but it brought in so many people that kept the whole gold to money laundering hustle going that i genuinely think they would be dead without it.
>>729033421>I prefer my developers trooned out and wearing groomer socks
>>729030631>WAAA COMBAT ADDONS ARE CHEATING NOOOO YOU CAN'T SEE MY 1 PARSE ON EVERY BOSS
>>729025258Shadowlands.It didn't happen but people were looking at FFXIV and going "hang on, is this actually the fabled WoW killer?" on such a widespread level mainstream news talked about it.As much as thats a testament to Shadowbringers being the best FF retail release since FFX its also a damning report on how low public opinion on WoW was. It went from being namedropped in sitcoms and having adds starring Ozzy Osbourne to being accused to imitating XIV as that had Spiderman doing ads for them and selling out which for an MMO is a rare thing after like 2007.Now it didn't kill WoW but it was clear that people were simply tired of the bullshit Blizzard was pulling on a level they never had before. The term for it in games publishing is "breaching the trust thermocline". You can only pull so much horseshit for so long before its too late to pull back and you run out of banked customer goodwill. For a lot of people Shadowlands and Warcraft Refunded were the moment the brand loyalty spell broke.
>>729034217Combat addons are cheating. You are installing 3rd party programs to give you additional information and advantages the developers did not intend you to have. Thats cheating and spiritual cuckoldry.
anyone want to visit my house? It's pretty cool.
>>729027872Buried but correct
>>729034386After shadowlands it really did permanently change one thing: upkeep required per week. For DF and TWW there is not a single required quest you need to do per week in order to do dungeons/raids. Borrowed power mechanics are also usually very quick to max out
>>729034598I think it was last year that an ex blizzard guy on a podcast who wasn't high enough up to get a lot of mainstream notice outright said "oh yeah that made us more money than Diablo 3 did. At that point it was over and WoW was a game targeting cosmetic whales".
>>729025625MMOs now are just babyshit casual, its not that wow is hardcore
>>729034714>l-look see wise consumer, we don't need you to do these mobile game tier player retention mechanics anymore? ...hello? a-are you there? .....please come backIt was too little to late. Anyone who looked at Dragonflights limp dicked actual s o y boy marketing as anything but sheer, pathetic desperation was still a locked in addict and everyone else was looking at Endwalkers "yo heres the actual apocalypse" prerelease media and they were trying to course correct after people we apathetic and not even hate keeping up with the product anymore.
>>729025258It was never good. It's an ugly RTS campaign in disguise full of pop culture references and the only reason it got popular is because normalfags saw the commercials with Mr. T and Mini-Me playing it. Its popularity fell when normalfags moved on to the next trend (MOBAs).
>>729025258>When did Warcraft officially fall from grace?When they went all-in on the MMORPG-cash cow and dropped the RTS.
I like the modern interpretation of Discipline Priest, do any fan servers back port it to the good expansions?
>>729026578Jews.
>>729025258>All my guildies left for FFXIV during Shadowlands>They are still there and never came back>Try to talk to them on discord about Midnight>They are just posting music videos of some gay fish guys with sum 41 music playing or something>They are acting like its the tightest shit they have ever seenI feel like i got aged out or something.
>>729035372>Aged outNigga this is specifically millenial bait though>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KokwSxOdPz8..Unc san how old are you?
>>729025625It was casual as fuck, on top of you having to pay a fucking sub when most games back then were B2P
>>729029362>is this really the only argument you thought was necessary?Yes.And I'm tired of pretending it's not.
>>729030326>or rip aggrothat's a bad game designtaking aggro from the tank should be borderline impossible
>>729035590What the fuck is this? i thought ziv was a wowclone?
>>729035945It is but it also has sovl>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gIoMH715hA
>>729030326>youd have to be a retard to die from an infection in 1892 all you have to do is just take antibiotics.
>>729029362This might be hard to hear.But most people actually think fags are really disgusting. Yes, even normies. It's just that most people dont want problems or trouble, so they just go along with whatever insane shit you tranny retards are up to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qleU3WZtiFM
>>729026764How is he still alive? He's looked like Darth Sideous for as long as I can remember.
>>729036795Evil dries you out like a preservative.
>>729025625>remove hyper retarded mechanics of old mmos nobody sane wanted to deal with>instantly fuck the rest of the entire genre in the assand nostalgia blind people still seethe to this day wow killed their precious archaic grindfests of old
>>729036795when you have as much money as he does, if you ever have a failing organ, you can just buy another one. He probably has cures to cancer and diseases that the common folk could only dream of having.
I gave up on the WoW playerbase when Season of Discovery happened and at was a grand old time until the first raid dropped and after week one the gamerdads started swiping their credit cards to pay for carries and gold inflation hit so hard and so fast lvl.24 boe blues went from 40g each to 2000g each.This games modern audience is gen x burn outs with no life who have less self respect than a call of duty player. Its ogre and can never ever be so back.
>>729025258People who didn't actually play it from the start will give you a lot of bullshit but the real point where you finally saw the writing on the wall was during MoP when they started making instanced zones shared between servers. It was the end of the feeling that you were inhabiting a shared world with a community of people on your server and instead, interactions with other players were now with strangers you'd never seen before and would never see again.
>>729037327>less self respect than a call of duty player.Anyone who plays call of duty cannot grasp the concept of "respect".
>>729025625Loving all those posts that reply to you in lieu of saying that if you don't enjoy beating your dick with a hammer you're a fucking casual. Most old mmo mechanics were autistic wastes of time and WoW was so wildly successful on release, because at the time it was the only sanely designed mmo game. It still had its flaws, like having three of its classes being trap options that designated you as someone to aggressively make fun of, designed by a man that autistically hated hybrids in a game he raided previously and the subscription fee, but it simultaneously was a good thing, since it filtered all the poorfaggots out. What wasn't good, was having the game designed around having subscription fee in it, which meant that many of the time wasting mechanics like skills with one hour cooldowns were still present, Lay on Hands is particularly hilarious, since at lower levels of gear, it can and will heal less than a Major Healing potion.
>>729037747>both activision gamesWhat drives american culture to be so degenerate?
>>729037592No, the real writing on the wall was a bluepost on blizzard forums during Wrath where one of the devs admitted that post merge they had completely lost creative control over the game and its development process and instead have to do what activision tells them they must do.
>>729025258Almost every expansion since Catclysm has been absolute hot sterile garbage, with the possible exceptions of Legion (when they went full cool retard) and Mysts (dragged down hard by the absurdly aggressive Chinese pandering)
>>729037747Hey, socialist! Catch!
>>729039371as an American, I can say that this is not American culture, otherwise there wouldn't be so much pushback against it.The reason modern American games are "Degenerate" is because these days, the HNIC (Head Nigger In Charge) of game productions are given one big lump sum that the employees don't get to touch, in exchange that they add things into the game that they are paid to do so. The real question you should be asking is "Who is giving the leaders of the project such big sums of money?"
>>729039863>Neo Indians who fell for it again claiming its just a minority turning their country into a third world shithole.Your Izzat levels are at an all time low bro. People are not redeeming.
>>729040051They could pass a law that you have to suck 40 cocks before breakfast every day, and the USA would still be better than your country that you conveniently didn't name.
>>729030631>The community who uses the cheats is about as widespread as those who use raiding addons in WoW too.Aside from shit like DPS meters and death logs, this is blatantly untrueWoW basically has it as a requirement, when almost every organized raid group I've ever been in in 14 had one or two at most using a callout bot
>>729040437>Tfw everyone i know plays XIV on PS5 and this addon stuff sounds like another fucking gameIts like modbeasts you just dont put up with them. Its a better world cuz.
>>729040051>N-no, that's not what's going on! You're an indian!Shalom.
>>729040692>Indians running all the companies>Indians running the FBI>Indians taking every jobs>S-saar pls its da jooz, we are your greatest ally my dear saar!I ain't your buddy guy.
>>729025568World of California
