"A narrative is a construct and not an apodictic truth." With this, I have spared you, catalogue-scroller, of reading 150 hours of YA fiction, though I did find it very amusing how Ryukishi07 used what comes as close to "debunked" as a theoretical paradigm can be in a vulgarized historical positivism to distract his teen-aged audience from his total inability to arrive at a satisfying conclusion to the mystery. No, it is fine to speculate about the unknowable, historical or metaphysical. The core message of the game hinges on whether or not you'll grant it the provisional license of "yes, speculating (ruminating) on the unknowable(s) of a personal tragedy should not define the course of the rest of your life" and tries to run away with this practical concession and generalize it to all human events. I read a review recently about Umineko that was something to the effect of "it taught me to parse history critically", which is either alarming or testimony to who it is intended for. Final takeaway: turn-of-the-millennium quantum physics pop science one-shotted Gen X Japanese writers. What was the whole deal with Ange being threatened with melting into glop if she read the diary, followed by reading it and melting into said glop, and then being reconstituted anyway with no account of its contents? Was this just more day-dreaming, or Ryukishi07 trying to have his cake and eat it too (a constant throughout)? And when did Eva's sole survivorship in Episode 3 turn into the "Rokkenjima Explosion Incident"? I don't remember any mention of an explosion until the clock was introduced.
>>729031952it was conveniently left out of any discussion prior to that point. maybe it was something not known to the public. the end of episodes 1, 2, and 4 hint at it. the golden witch wins when the clock strikes midnight. the goats that eat rosa and maria up are the explosion. "Who am I?" is the bomb that kills Battler at the end of episode 4 despite it being confirmed no one else is alive.
>>729032494I appreciate those explanations but dislike them, especially on the basis that an explosion that can annihilate that much of an island will be seen and heard by people, and of course recorded by seismographs in Japan of all places. It's insultingly convenient. I'm pretty sure the bit about seismographs and the timing were mentioned in the game, which makes it even lazier that it was purposefully excluded from any account in the bottles or any of Ange's conversations with the Witch Hunters. The people of Niijima would have been aware.
>>729031952the tea party of episode 7 is implied to be what's in eva's diary. as for ange reading it and melting and then getting brought back 5 minutes later, I think ryukishi just wanted that moment in hachijo's house where he could try to fool the readers one last time. and it conveniently gets ange back into the golden land
>>729033347I can't argue it's not lazy. Maybe Ryukishi intended to handwave it away by saying the existence of bombs is a government secret (similar to Higurashi's twist). However, no such discussion exists in the game. Furthermore, the witch hunters in episode 8 know about the explosion, but maybe it's something they've only found out from Hachijo's latest work. That said, the deaths of Ange's family are still a mystery even if there was an explosion.
>>729031952>Final takeaway: turn-of-the-millennium quantum physics pop science one-shotted Gen X Japanese writers.How so?
>>729033451Is the implication intended to be Bern's showing it to Ange in the first place, that late in the whole story? I could understand that. Thanks.>>729033963I think it is made worse (more insulting) that it is only in Episode 8 that the goats (understood as the bomb) are finally shown eating the whole island, which even now to me feels more like Ryukishi07 thanking himself for laying the foundation for such a thing by introducing infinitely regenerating giant magic beasts early in the story. But, of course, this is my own harsh "narrative".>>729034287Recall all of the time-travel/parallel worlds works of the 2000s, and the old "character asking you if you know what (misunderstood application of) Schrodinger's cat is" joke. The subtitle for the Switch port is literally "catbox/nekobako", which left me anticipating a thematic "litter box" and never thinking would be in reference to Schrodinger until it blew its load.
>>729031952I don't think your points make it any worse as a story but I like how you write. Do you have a blog or something? Asking completely seriously
>>729036201I am flattered, and have thought about it, but I don't sincerely consider myself either well enough read or so insightful as to expect anybody to read my writing. I think it's just my fault for chasing the "sublime" in modern Japanese popular fiction. I mostly enjoyed it.
Shameless self-bump because I actually do want to talk about Umineko.
never played Umineko but did just play PDWT and unironically had a good time
Bump this is a good thread
>>729031952>write like a pseud faggot>umitranny midwits immediately attracted to his pseudness
>>729042445Who are you quoting? Is it not a substantial criticism of the insipid message that the writer retreated to focusing on after failing to provide a satisfying conclusion?
