Obsidian totally not narcissistc writers seem to think they did a flawless job writing the totally not two dimensional evil Caesar legion which has not even half the amount of quests as the other paths to.They turned an entire generation of young men into... fascists?
Fuck off with your garbage clickbait social media reposts you fucking faggot. Go back to whatever shithole you came from.
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I killed everyone in new vegas, they all deserve it.
>>729032030>even a fictional character ideology poked holes in my globohomo reality reeeeeee
>>729032030Caesar is written very well and that one meme from that pedantic retard arguing semantics about the proper term for talking about synthesis and antithesis is just pedantic and... stupid.
>>729032718> I have no plans for anything other than telling my followers to hate women and homosexuals even though 99% of them are having gay sexUhhh...
>>729032030Wasn't Caesar literally written as a short sighted parody without actual plan? I admit it's been a couple years since I played the game, but the only person whose arguments ever really made sense was House.
>>729032718except that one time when i killed all his soldier sand then I walked to his door and he left me in the madman actually let me in and then i killed him and his army lmao what a dumbass.
>>729032030The legion were all massive faggotsLegion faggot:>I just tortured this entire town full of people to death for no reason, If you have a problem with that you should kill me because the strong are always rightMe:>*kills him*Legion:>dude wtf you cant do that were gonna send kill teams after you forever now!I shot ceaser in the face with his own fucking coins and he deserved it
>>729033019thank god im not as stupid as you.
>>729032030Caesar's biggest issue was always that he had no succession plan
>>729032030What was his argument again?
>>729035638Good thing the Courier fell in his lap.
>>729032210Based.
>>729033171He was written as a critique of the NCR that was deeply flawed on his own. In his case his philosophical death march to the NCR capital meant that he was doomed to collapse without a charismatic leader or if he failed to keep gaining ground.The NCR but comparison is a critique of old America, completely corrupt and expansionist beyond its means to supply logistically.House really was the only leader without a plan, they actually had to play things meta and force the player to kill the memberberries of steel so that he wouldn't be the obvious pick for the player. The problem is that he's that old style of self made capitalist and innovator and the communists in Hollywood hate that (because he isn't Jewish)
>>729035684Bear bad copy of AmericaBull is strong and Virile but dumb and TribalIf Bear-Bull Sex, then powerful nation make.
>>729032030fascism is a cucked ideology. imagine putting another man on a pedestal and thinking it's a good system
>>729035824I like how Ranger Armor is more associated with the Courier than it is with NCR Rangers. To the point where the devs actually gave us non faction armor variants of it just so the player could use it without being tagged as NCR.
>>729032030>New Vegas lead writer thinks his writing was too good
>>729036429spoken like the person who watches
>>729036429>imagine putting another man on a pedestal and thinking it's a good systemYou mean like democracy does?
>>729036460It’s technically not even NCR ranger armor. NCR rangers wear the park ranger/cowboy get-up. It’s the armor of the more elite, less numerous Desert Rangers who only recently joined the NCR.
>>729032030Nobody gave a shit about Caesar, House was the interesting "Autocrat".
Remember why Nazi documentaries doesn't translate Hitler's speeches.
>>729033171No, his plan was to take over the NCR and turn it into a military dictatorship and transform his "legion" into a standing army instead of the migratory collection of tribes that it is. The idea is that the NCR is corrupt and is destined to fall apart into a dictatorship or balkanize so he is gathering tribes together to conquer the NCR to make sure that he is the one to control the NCR himself. he explicitly says this in game if you ask him.
>left starts pushing through excesses beyond what the populace is willing to tolerate>right wing reaction forms to roll back excessively destructive policies>left baffled every time this occurs
>>729036790That was some of the funniest fucking shit to me when they started to AI translations of those.>"Damn wow this actually makes a lot of sense"kek
>>729036703democracy is just another form of fascism
>>729036790>somber music and the narrator calling his words chilling >Hitler giving a speech about fixing the economy
>>729032210First post, best post. For how long must we endure this TV filth shilling?
>>729036750To be fair, NCR rangers actually do wear real armor when expecting combat. It's just what (used to be) NCR standard battle armor before they became so thread spin they started having to hand their conscripts ww1/2 tier equipment.
>>729037112Horrifying!
>>729033171>Wasn't Caesar literally written as a short sighted parody without actual plan?No. Why so many people repeat misinformation like this is beyond me. So many people who have never played the game is talking about it.
>>729036759Everyone instinctively wants to be ruled by a Philosopher King.House is>Smart>Rich>Powerful>Immortal>Eunuch>Wants to leave the EarthThere's literally no way for any other faction to compete. This guy cannot be bribed because his body can no longer enjoy the pleasures of life, the only thing he can do is reshape humanities future and that future is interplanetary empire.Everyone else is fighting over who gets to be king of the shit heap.
>>729035269You are the exact copy of the Legion. You are that which you loathe. >>729035638Because Caesar was relatively young in New Vegas, and he still had to take the damn. After taking it he had all the time in the world to find a successor.
>>729036429>Said the man who still worships Obama.
>>729036460The Ranger armor originates from Wasteland. The NCR adopted it when it absorbed the local rangers.
>>729037731Also, a party member from Fallout 1, Tycho, wears that ranger armor, but due technical limitations it could not be represented ingame.
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>>729032030Meh.I kinda get what they're going for, but the player doesn't really see any actual reasons why the legion should act like they do.It's a bit like how F3 makes a big deal out of the promise of clean water, but aside from some beggers, who are never satisfied, it's not a problem the rest of the setting seems to care about. Nobody's talking about failing crops, you find clean water regularly, you can even get a robot that makes clean water for you - the town is more or less just giving it away.In NV we don't see any justification for the legion's rules. It makes sense if there's lawlessness everywhere else and the legion's domains are the only places where people can travel and trade in peace. If the player had to deal with shitty traders, muggings, see starvation and failing attempts at civilization, and then visit the legion where there is order and peace and they are making progress and taking care of each other - but it only works because they are brutal bastards - then the player might see them as a necessary evil.
>>729032030Yes. It also turns you trans.
>>729035684Reset the way we live after apocalypse and set a new way of life like Rome spread its rule years ago
>>729038516Why?
>>729032030The legion and enclave are both poorly written cartoon villains and obsidian needs to stop sucking themselves off over the legion being “well written.” There is absolutely nothing appealing about the legion and every character except Raul tells you that the legion is bad and you are bad for helping them.
>>729037112Herr Fuhrer, how does ordering 500 kilograms of pervitin to be delivered to the Reich Chancellery gardens fix the economy?
>>729032030>dude what if Caesar was desert Hitler?Why not depict him more in line with his actual inspirations of roman emperors? There could be more to him than a name and aesthetic.
>>729038824Literally everything you posted is wrong. You should feel bad.
No. I don't get my ideas for politics from fictional characters. I'm a pacifist in real life but have no problem with becoming a murderous warlord in vidya, or enjoying Arnie blowing up the brains of a bad guy. If I wanted to actually learn or think about a political ideology or religion in any serious sense, I'd read actual articles and arguments written by these people. I'm not anti-war, because I watched Gundam, I'm anti-war because I read pamphlets written by anti-war activists. btw for the arsy people, I don't think Gundam is anti-war, since it does still support war as a means of ending conflicts. It does end up glorifying it in its own way, but I really don't take it too seriously. I'm not saying that fiction can't be used as an argument for philosophy or religion, since Atlas Shrugged is both fiction and a political pamphlet for Objectivism, but with books meant for pop culture, this very rarely happens. Pop culture is meant to entertain first and foremost, not change political or religious outlooks. There's nothing more silly, than looking at deep meanings behind non-existent characters meant to make story interesting, especially behind saturday morning cartoon villains.
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>>729032030dont give a fuck about ncr or legioni see cool robot and join brotherhoodi now see it as my duty to confiscate dangerous technology from civilians
>>729032459How the fuck can you even type "globohomo with a straight face" when every "nationalist" government just wants "globalism but based". there is no isolationism anymore. it's not real. you just become irrelevant and get abused by the big boys if you try to be a heckin based isolationist state
>>729032030I always thought the right thing to do is support NCR. I never see anyone with the same opinion in these threads.
>>729035684tl;dr caesar thinks direct democracy is too vulnerable to corruption, that's the long and short of it. the legion is basically his implement to force change on the NCR, his goal is less "eternal retarded raider slave state" and more "bring up an army to make the NCR more stable by force" and a lot of the NCR's weaknesses that you witness across New Vegas (like 50% of it boils down to "their leadership is trash) serve to reinforce his point in some kind of way even if you don't think the legion is a real alternative
>>729032210It’s the lead writer of FNV talking about the most discussed game on this board. How is it not relevant
>>729040043The locals don't like them. If the locals were just savages and raiders with no civilization then they could be ignored by virtue of the subjugating force being more developed culturally and technologically, except that House already brought a higher standard of living and civilized many tribes. I can't see a good reason to overthrow House based on those factors.Though there's places like the further small towns House doesn't seem to care about and you can do things like install a NCR protection racket in Primm regardless of who you back for Vegas proper. There it's an improvement.
>>729039401newfag begone!
>>729040830They don't like them in the same way no one likes taxes. They like the benefits but bitch about cost.
>>729032030a slave army is not fascism
>>729040043because all of the legion content save for the fort and a few guerilla camps got cut from the game, almost all of NV's content is exploring the flaws of the NCR, so it's not surprising that a lot of people come away from it not being sure about them. I prefer NCR over house and caesar but I'm not sure if them winning vegas is actually good for them because it reinforces their worst aspects. one slide of their ending mentions how one of the good NCR leaders you come across is humble about their successes in the aftermath of Hoover Dam... and gets passed up for promotion in favor of the bloodthirsty war criminal who spreads libel about you if you refuse to become her personal death squad
>>729041049No you see what they're referencing is traditional roman fascism
>>729032030>Mirrors how it spread in real life1. The legion is not fascist2. Fascism spread in real life as a direct counter to communism
>>729038493>muggings,that happens on multiple occasions
>>729039401Fuck off back to retardera, clown.
Every faction in New Vegas is more right-leaning than left-leaning. The legion aren't heckin evil fascists trying to stop democracy. It's a pissed off Colonel Kurtz analogue using a bunch of ooga booga slaves to trample a bloated and soon-to-be-dying "republic" that's wholly owned and controlled by a small group of elite so he can make a self-styled synthesis of both.
>>729032030Every government is authoritarian but it's only called authoritarianism and fascism if the jews aren't in control.
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>>729032030They are retarded
>>729040667Anon was seething because his garbage porn anime pedophilic thread died becuase of this thread.
>>729039401>agp post
>>729037416Okay, so he wasn't intentionally written that way. It is still how he comes across in the game.
