>game is actually fun as fuck>literally such an addicting and novel experience that it's completely taken up my entire weekYOU MOTHERFUCKERS LIED TO ME FOR SO MANY GODDAMN YEARS. WHY.
>>729032280It had the misfortune of being a big departure from the established series formula, thus being scorned by the "fans"
>>729032280Just one of those games where all they had to do is launch it as an original IP and it would have been much better received.But then it also likely wouldn't have sold a single copy.
>>729032280I think it's unfortunate it had such a harsh early seventh gen look, likely specifically the gimmick of applying harsh photo realism to cartoon designs. something more in line with the n64 style might have made it a decent bit more palatable.
>>729032280>Spend the entire start of the game making fun of the franchise and the people who play itNoooo how could they hate it!?!??
Why didn't they just slap some other scrimblo on it? They had like 8 other fun, friendly-looking characters ready to go.
>>729032280That's right, the industry is so shit now that even N&B is good by comparison
>>729033663It was always good
>>729033616Microjew
>>729032280it's a fun game, it's just not a fun banjo kazooie game
Bad artstyle. Doesn't look like banjo kazooie. Doesn't feel like banjo kazooie. That's exactly what makes it bad
>>729032280Are you 12 by any chance? That would explain the post
>do TOTK decades before Nintendo>sell ~750,000 copies
>>729032280but it sucks
>>729032280Millennials have ruined countless games with their autism anon.
>>729033556>Spend the entire start of the game making fun of the franchise and the people who play itYou people need to get the fuck over it, you are all wrong. You have collectively misremembered this scene, because you were upset about the gameplay change and looking for any excuse to hate on the game. They were NOT actually making fun of 3D platformers at the start of Nuts and Bolts. No, they weren't, I don't wanna hear it. They were not fucking doing that. They were being sarcastic. Somehow 99% of people did not pick up on the fact that they were just joking and not actually being serious.The entire point of that scene is them putting you in an exaggerated tongue-in-cheek "collectathon" that doesn't actually resemble the old games. They're not attacking the old games, they're attacking a fake strawman that's supposed to be obviously fake on purpose, so that the player understands they're not ACTUALLY saying the old games were bad. When Log says "gamers today just want to shoot things" he is obviously poking fun at the first person shooter craze that was dominating the industry at the time. He is saying people just want mindless thrills and to shoot at stuff, rather than actual quality gameplay like the old BK games had. But 3D platformers were a saturated genre in 2008, so he has to change it to a vehicle game instead to keep things fresh. That's the goddamn point.His dialogue was tongue-in-cheek, the game never ACTUALLY made fun of you or the old games. I don't fucking understand how so many people are still bitching and moaning about this, how did everyone collectively not understand this.
>>729032280We didn't lie to you. They made the mistake of stapling this gameplay onto an IP that had nothing to do with said gameplay, so most of the people you see talking about it are going to compare it, favorably or unfavorably, to what the IP had done before. Basically, if they hadn't called it Banjo-Kazooie then things would be fine.
>>729032280good game and the best banjo game
>>729032280I've been saying it multiple times for years.I might want a normal banjo threeie but would be happy if they made a new game like this aswell
>>729034323you speak like someone who dislikes the lego car aspect because you have a rigid mind and lack creative curiosity
>>729033616Jontron's a nazi and white supremacist and i don't give a single fuck about him, but he was right that TipTup: Nuts & Bolts would have been the perfect move. You wanna make the protagonist someone in the Banjo universe, so that you can keep all the Banjo characters and references, and you don't need to redo all that work. And if it's gonna star a different BK character, TipTup makes a shitton of sense cuz he's a turtle and he'd want to make vehicles to move fast. Plus he has a prior history with car racing.
>>729032280They lie about everything, anon.
>>729032280Do you remember what thread convinced you to try it?
>>729032280it's alright, but honestly it could have been done so much better. but it does show that we really needed more AA and AAA budget vehicle building games.
This game is the epitome of >It's a good game, but not a good X game
jontron had a chokehold on banjo kazooie discourse for the entire 2010s. he single handedly memed them into smash.
>>729032280I love this game. It's an achievement, but it still deserved to fail. Attaching random N64 characters to something so unique was and always will be a bizarre decision.
>>729037553Retard.
>>729034768A bait-and-switch straight out of the gate when everyone was expecting more of the same. It was a pretty big disappointment.
>>729033821Microsoft had nothing to do with the game's direction. It was entirely Gregg Mayles and the other Banjo guys wanting to do something new.
>>729037915You mean like when they attached Conker to Dreams?Yes I remember that.
>>729038297GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE OUR OWN
>>729032280It's an excellent game up until Terrarium of Terror, but then that and most of the final acts of each level consist of bland races because they ran out of time (Bottles even references a Mad Monster Mansion tribute challenge in Banjoland being turned into a "pointless race instead" because of deadlines). Shame, because without creativity, the game is left with nothing. Too bad that level made it in and not the cut cowboy/western-themed one that seemed a lot better.
>>729038206>Banjo>New
>>729038297What?
>>729032280I had this happen recently with the newest Battletoads. Simply the best game in the franshise by far if you care for gameplay and the skippable cutscenes are funny anyway.More convinced than ever that only 1% of posts made on this board are even made by people who played a videogame ever in their life besides phone gacha.
>>729032280>WHY.You're talking to the same autists that whinged about getting in smash for a billion years and then didn't even play the character when it came out.
My uncle gave this to me as my first banjo game in 2008, I was 10.
>>729039552You unlock jiggosseum at like 12 or 14 jiggies and then nothing at all until you get terrarium at 40 something jiggies. they needed to rebalance that shit after they cut the cowboy level
>>729034768>You have collectively misremembered this sceneThey do this foe the entirety of the game Every world is a joke about how tedious and different the game is, straight up to the ending. The fucking Jinjos were the worst about it.
>>729040017That didn't occur to me, but that too.
>>729039862'Dreams' was a game creation game, absolutely fantastic idea on paper but undermined at every turn. It was originally advertised as 'Project Spark' and the trailer had conker cutting through the logo with a chainsaw and saying something akin to 'Well it's been years since my last game, guess you'll have to make your own'
>>729032280>”If you buy this game you are KILLING BANJO!!!!”>Rare basically dies and all people who helped make banjo are gone years later>”actually… it was always good”It was always about an agend pushed by fans, and you can track this with most modern game series recent entries ‘unpopular’ on /v/ and Reddit.
>>729040715You're confusing the name with Dreams the PS4 game which was pretty similar.
>>729041027Huh, my bad...I'm retarded.
I played Nuts and bolts before the original games, though they were fine.Then played the originals and was like "so this is why people hate n&b"
>>729032280you never played it
>>729034768way too much cope.I'm not reading this.They mocked and berated the old games.On top of marketing N&B as the 'true banjo-threeie' for months if not years.then had middling vehicle crafting.it's an entire shit sandwich.
>>729032280Literally the first thing i think if when someone says "good game but not a good X game"Wish there were more multiplayer stages and that the dlc wasn't just the test area
>>729041636you're pathetic and embarassing dude
>>729040017They really needed to not have the levels split into so many episodes. One of the problems is that the levels were huge with nothing in them to reward exploration. Having fewer "episodes" with more missions in each would have made the levels more fleshed out.Really there didn't need to be more than one for each level. Off the top of my head epsisodes would be night time for grunry levels and for one they flooded the jiggoseum, but apart from that the levels dont even change. They just pointlessly split each level into 6 doorways for no benefit.
>>729032280Nuts and Bolts being bad as nothing to do with being a vehicle game, even the character designs look way better in game than they do in the renders. It isn't a bad Banjo game because its not a platformer, its a bad Banjo game because it has no sense of place. Why is every level split into five missions that I have to leave to the hub world and comeback in to have ONE thing on the giant maps changed? Why are the characters all Actors playing different roles in each world? Let me drive around and help the useless idiots. You want to know what the most fun part of the game is? Dicking around in the overworld doing physics platforming with the car because its not starting and stopping every 30 seconds. Tears of the Kingdom made that the whole game, too bad its got open world bloat.
>LiedNo, you didn't have to wait eight years for it. The response was justified and Rare put themselves in that rut. After that, they pretty much stopped making anything of note. Sea of Thieves players need not respond.>>729034768That's the thing - when you have to be 'cheeky' in order to sell your game and not because it's a genuine follow-up to a beloved pair of games, that's where you're supposed to stop and go back to the drawing board.
>>729043784>>729044198You guys are overlooking the important aspect of building cars in the downtime between acts. You get most of the parts from mumbo crates but you won't have most of them in the beginning of the game. It's necessary to space out the missions because it forces variety in what world you're playing next and it makes it so you find more crates inbetween actsI agree they should have whittled it down to 4 or 5 acts each rather than 6, but spreading content out is absolutely necessary. You would not have enough vehicle parts to do the missions if there were only 2 or 3 acts in each world. You need time to gather resources and to sit down and build shit
>>729034768Yep. It's just like the mortal the 100th Anniversary Disney Movie - Wish was made to tell you about. Life is all about Shareholders owning everything and you owning nothing now. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR SYSTEM!! KA-CHOW!!
>>729044874moral* shitpost ruined. Off to hang myself.
>>729034768>It was made retarded on purpose>You didn't get it>cope cope copeNuts & Bolts is the Last Jedi of gaming.
>>729035959Well that was a retarded intro
>>729035959>Jontron's a nazi and white supremacist and i don't give a single fuck about himYou clearly do.
>>729035959"JonTron told the truth about blacks which social media literally has proven time and time again, AND THAT'S A BAD THING!"I'm so fucking glad that faggots like you are losing and that niggers are being exposed for the dysgenic and subhuman savages that they are. Seriously, from the bottom of my heart, go fuck yourself and enjoy the fact that everyone hates niggers and nigger-lovers like yourself. Kys
>>729046594no one cares, opinions that are rooted in hatred and bigotry are invalid. just cuz you have an opinion doesn't mean it's worth a fuck. nothing about you is worth a fuck. if you hold hate-based beliefs like this you are fundamentally a low-value human beingPlease don't waste my time again by making me read another worthless, embrassing thought that came out of your poisoned mind, i literally don't fucking care
>>729032280been saying it for years. this game was fucking awesome, but the army of manchild n64 basedlennials didnt like it when it came out and basically killed the franchise with their bullshit. fake ass banjo fans.
>>729032280The only fun parts were the collecting parts on the hub world. The physics were garbage and the controls for the vehicles sucked ass.
>that iranian new yorker?>a white supremacist member of the national socialist german workers' party.
>>729035959it would have been better with tiptup but it wouldnt have sold copies that way
Why did they remove the flutter jump? I get the concept of taking their moves away to make you rely more in vehicles, but thing thing is you already HAVE midair wrench swing attack that does the exact same thing. If anything, the wrench swing probably goes a lot farther. So why not keep the flutter, as a shorter-but-swifter option for jumping around? It wouldn't break anything, and more importantly it just feels really good to haveYou could probably keep the backflip too without breaking anything, as long as it doesn't go high enough to cheese the spring jumps in the hub.
>Ruins your game
>>729041636the game literally has a whole fucking world dedicated to the old banjo games and rareware games
>>729047640Gregg Mayles' gay self-insert
>>729047584true sadly.
>>729047849Thats why poor Timber got the shaft in Diddy Kong Racing. It was supposed to be his game.
I JUST BROUGHT THIS GAME FOR 12$
>>729034768It's just British humour, it's meant to be cheeky, analytical and negative/self-deprecating.
>>729048271coolio. make a penis car in my honor
The game was great but very slightly undercooked. We really need a sequel, they absolutely could add a ton of new parts and improve the formula in loads of small ways. For the most part that game reached its potential but they could still evolve this concept into something far greater
>>729047640>teleports in front of you for an unnecessary loading screen>"try playing banjo-kazooie instead, kid"
>>729032280I love the game but the levels themselves kind of suck. The challenges are good but Xbox world was ugly, space world was hard to get around, museum world was unoriginal
>>729032280unironically my favorite game on the console
>>729049806This, Viva Pinata, and Dead Rising 1.
>>729049552There's some irony in the fact that Banjoland would've been a much better level concept in a traditional platformer since they allow smaller, higher detail spaces.
>>729049979>>729049806fantastic taste, anon
CAN WE PLEASE GET SOME PRAISE FOR THE AMAZING SOUNDTRACK BY HIS MAJESTY GRANT KIRKHOPE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms0PFHJ5n_M
>>729047803 You mean the dude who turned Bottles into a smug Redditor NPC and thought “what if Banjo but car” was a good design doc? Gregg was on one with this game. I swear he's the type who makes a joke, no one laughs, then explains why it's "actually really clever."
>>729035959>white supremacist and nazibased
>>729046917nta but nigger
>>729049308>unecessary loading screenanon, I......
>>729046917You're such a faggot lol.Denial of the truth because it hurts your feelings is a sign of mental retardation and low intelligence, which go hand-in-hand.
>>729046917>opinions that are rooted in hatred and bigotry are invalid.did you just make that up?
Zoomers are pure contrarians. They'll eat shit and claim its better than steak simply because everyone older than them has said not to eat shit.
>>729050520get a fucking life bottles and LOG are 2% of this games experience.
>>729051121Subhumans always make shit up.faggots made up this narrative that if you rightfully hate and are repulsed by gays, that means you're afraid of them and/or secretly gay.niggers made up this narrative that they invented everything ever and built up every country ever (but none of the countries in africa).jews made up this narrative that every country and culture that has hated them across the world for over 2,000 years were just being 'irrational and jealous.'You get the point. So, yes, that faggot did make that up. Anything a subhuman tells you, immediately believe the opposite.
>>729051146Tooie > N&B > KazooieWhat are you gonna do about it?
>>729032280It's the same reason everyone fucking hates SPM for some reason. Game is fundamentally different than the ones before it and humans are, for some unknown reason, hyper-allergic to change
>>729051268I blame this industrial revolution for the existence of libtards.
>>729051273Realize that you have shit taste. The end. Enjoy your self inflicted suffering.
This game needs a multiplayer server and a giant DLC. Get some right wing moderators on it. It would be so kinosoul.
>>729038192>>729040115>>729041636>>729044517>>729045374>WHY ISN'T THIS JUST FUNNY CARTOON CHARACTER COLLECTION 37,000 COLLECTABLES FOR THE THIRD TIME IN THE ROW, WHY ISN'T THIS THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING AS THE LAST TWO GAMESand we're wondering why Rare was rubbing shit in your faces
>first level in the game is the best one
>>729051456careful. Dont let those tears short-circuit your N64 controller as you play BK for the 100th time.
>>729051456It's not self-inflicted suffering if they like playing it, Anon. You're thinking like a vegan right now
>>729051570ah you're one of those "hard = bad" folks. "People" like you are partly responsible for the quality of modern games.
>>729032280The game isn't actually fun though.t. Does not own an n64
>>729051406>>729051268jesus christ could you make it any more obvious that you're triggered and upset because someone correctly pointed out your racist bullshit makes you not worth a fuck to be around or interact withgo play in traffic, incel, no one gives a fuck about you
>>729051674>point that was not even fucking close to implied
>>729051674no, what? it's just obviously the best level. loved exploring the fuck out of nutty aces, i'm not sure why the other levels don't feel as magical to explore
>>729051760>I AM TRANS!Happy for you sister, but please try to stay on topic
>>729051760as a bisexual man i find your worthless flailing about to be nothing short of pitiful and i hope you leave this earth with the same scowl you have on your face as when you read these comments from people who have more worth than you
>>729051674>Anything about nuts and bussy>HardNigga
>>729051646Oh, I get it now. You're a jeet. That's why you weren't able to understand the shit eating being bad comparison.
>>729051760lmao theres a site called reddit that needs soldiers like you
I like him. he's good>>729052467yet again no one cares about your input, thanks
>>729052564sorry. him. i love his mole fingers
>>729032280>op fails to mention a single fun thing about the gameNot an auspicious start
>>729051406Uncle Teddy was absolutely right, yes.>>729051760Once again, denial of the truth because it hurts your feelings means you are mentally retarded and stupid, which go hand-in-hand. The term "racist" is a fake and gay jewish word created by the mass murdering bolshevik jew, Leon Trotsky (real name Lev Bronchstein).Literally, nobody cares about being called a 'racist' anymore, you're denial of the truth is dead and gone for.
>>729033616Should have been her game.
>>729052769>*you* are making *yourself* look like a terrible person to be aroundComing from the racist? I'm sorry but I don't give a fuck about your excuse or your obfuscations or your dodging of the subject. Your racism aside from being grossly immoral is also just plain fucking annoying, and you deserve to be told you're a bad person because you are one and I do not give a fuck how much of a tantrum you throw just because some pointed out a truth you don't want to be challenged on. You have brain poison, you need to get better, not me. Pointing out that you're a bad and low-value person to have a conversation with is not some crime on my part.
>>729052564Your entire family hates you, and we are all no different in that regard. Go back to discord, reddit(ranny), and resetera.
>>729053198i'm sorry this has to be told to you, but not every anon on this board is the same person. i'm the bisexual that's writing these shitty paragraphs. i haven't actually said a racial slur this entire conversation. the fact that you're attacking me for something i haven't done is, quite frankly, extremely problematic. i hope you can find it in your heart to grow and change as a person, or, at the bare minimum, at least learn when an effort is better spent elsewhere. at the very least, i thank you for reading what i had to say, and i hope you have a nice day. or whatever the equivalent of a nice day is for you.
>>729051570Jiggosseum was the best. Highest amount of challenges that define the game's fun factor (launching yourself as far as possible, knocking over as many dominos as possible in a single shove, shooting a metal ball as far as possible, darts, defending the pool balls from Grunty across several rounds, ect.)
>>729052632One of the few designs the game didn't butcher. Humba's cute but I can see why people disliked her tits getting chopped off.
>>729053908I once watched a lets play of the game back in like 2012 or something and the lets player was complaining that they sexualized her in N&B LOL.
>>729053838If the missions count as part of the world then it's a contender for the best one yeah. I really like how Jiggosseum would not work in a normal Banjo-Kazooie game whatsoever. It feels tailor-made to the kind of game Nuts and Bolts is and wouldn't have worked anywhere else. Every other level feels like ideas they had for a normal Banjo platformer game that they had to force the vehicles into
>>729053908i don't mind no tits but she also has literally zero ass. look at this.I really like her a lot in this game, she actually has a personality, one I quite like. She does however feel almost like she's not even the same person, which feels like cheating in terms of redesigning a character. But I'm glad she's handled way more respectfully now and i don't mind the new body type. she's cute
>>729032280>Putting a crate on your cart, standing on the crate, and then picking up the cart to fly to places you aren't supposed to reachExploring and cheesing the overworld to unlock parts early was my favorite part. So nice to have a game that didn't lock you out of areas with invisible walls and instead rewarding you for buliding bridges out of chain link fences and stacking objects.
Do you think at any point while designing and testing Logbox 720 someone was like "hmm gee this cramped vertical design makes it pretty difficult and un-fun to drive vehicles in, maybe we should change it" and one of the higher-up was like "finish this by christmas or i'll shoot your dog"
>>729033556Yeah that’s the worst thing and the reason it is hated most>heh you actually liked that old shit, it sucked lmao now building cars that’s a fun idea for a game lmao collecting shit only a retarded baby would like this gay faggot shitWhat did they think was going to happen?
>>729054095Should've commented FAGGOT
>>729032280The only issue with the game is the design system makes it so all of your vehicles suck. The physics are atrocious.
>>729058543it's the wheels specifically that suck ass
>>729056035The level is an homage to the Xbox dude. It's not meant to be expansive. It's meant to be a fucking xbox. It's not deep.
>>729051528Nobody knew/expected the whole fucking game was going to revolve around vehicles, if they'd incorporated the vehicle missions only partially then there wouldn't have been as much of a backlash. Instead they went all-in on it with it's janky controls and half-baked mechanics, the whole thing felt shoe-horned in. All of the previous Banjo games up to that point had been platformed collect-a-thons (even the GBA game) and the shift in mechanics was irritating>oh great ANOTHER frustrating mission where I have to build ANOTHER fucking stupid machine just to get a jiggy. I just want to run, jump and attack enemies ffs.
>>729051528>ignore that mario games are still just as successful as collectathonjust admit that you hate this type of games
The Good>characters>hub world>you can build your vehicleThe bad>level design>physics>music>Part limits>Part list>Challenges>too short>too easy7/10
>>729034768>I don't fucking understand how so many people are still bitching and moaning about this,They have autism.
>>729032280Did you know you can use the leafblower parts as replacement for an engine, and if you equip it on air vehicles they go way faster than using rocket boosters
>>729058940>All of the previous Banjo games up to that point had been platformed collect-a-thons (even the GBA game)Banjo Pilot released 3 years before Nuts & Bolts>and the shift in mechanics was irritating"I am allergic to change" probably wouldn't look as good on the resume>>729058965>I'm comparing a multi-billion dollar franchise where most problems are solved by throwing more money at it to a series that has seen maybe 5-6 games, look at me, I'm so smart and intellectual
>>729059108i like to put one on the front of my car/helicopter to suck Notes to me since i hate physically running around to get them
>>729051674>the rest of the levels>hardThey're bigger, emptier, and have less to do. The Terrarium doesn't even have enemies most of the time.
>>729059256I forgot about Pilot, fair enough.>I am allergic to change" probably wouldn't look as good on the resumeI'm recounting how I felt when the game first released/when I first played it. I'd be willing to give it another shot, hell I even have it through Rare Replay.
>>729059439>have less to doYou're looking at them in a vacuum, at the levels themselves when you're exploring outside of missions. But the missions ARE the main content of the game, they use the environment of the level in various ways. The content is there, it's just relegated to missions.Like sure the levels are "empty" but that's so challenges can be hosted in them. They're only devoid of content when you're not currently in a mission. When you ARE in a mission then some part of the level's environment is being used for creative purposes. There's certainly not "less to do" unless you're hyper-focusing on the levels themselves outside of missions.
