>There are people who unironically believe in B
>there are people who unironically believe this is a comparable analogy to the original problem
this meme has evolved to a point I no longer understand it. I wonder if this is how God felt looking upon his creations
That's not a portal dumbass.
>>729042691>por·tal1>/ˈpôrdl/>noun>noun: portal; plural noun: portals>1. a doorway, gate, or other entranceFucking retard
>>729042449>stationary object passing through a moving passage
>>729042449>there are people who unironically don't understand the word analogy but act certain about a wholly theoretical physics problem
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>>729042449>fictional event is not exactly similar to other fictional event
>>729042287the hula hoop remains unrefuted
>>729042287Your example would be equivalent to having a portal on either side of the moving wall. Not the same as if the second portal was not moving.
>>729042449>>729042506KekFunny thread
>muh hoopsYou're a dipshit.
>>729044284Lewd
>>729044360Lewd
>>729044360I really dont get how this is so hard for B fags to understandThey must be functionally retarded
>>729042287>exits moves in tandem with entry at the exact same speed in the inverse directionAccording to A the person should be moving after passing through the portal.
>>729044309>>729044419
>>729044550But that was made by a Bfag to make fun of Afags.
>>729044459Slightly Lewd
>>729044623Safe for work
>>729043496Is this moving?
Reminder that A only works if the earth is flat and stationary.
>>729044196if the exit was moving then you would leave twice as fast
>>729044284the blue and orange portals are connectedif blue moves then so does orange
The existence of portals invalidates our understanding of physicsIt is pointless to try to make sense of them in motion
>>729044778if you look through it, yes, you would see space on the other side rushing toward you
>>729044284well in this case the universe explodes because matter cant just expand
Have people seriously not realized that Afags don't actually exist and they're just Bfags trolling people?
>>729045045Anon there are actual flat earthers on this site.
>>729045045guys! heckin neil degrasse tyson said B wins!!!!
>>729042287
>>729044196wait, you believe that the final example in your image would impart velocity? is this guy quantumly entangled with the doorframe? after he leaves the blue portal, does the yellow portal still control his motion?you're just throwing "relativity" at everything..
>>729044980...which includes the cube.
>>729045348No, he entered the entry portal at V relative to the portal, so he exits the exit portal at -V relative to the portal. This works with any door or hoop. Only in reality, you can't have one side of the object moving while the other is stationary.
>>729045439the hole is moving, space isn't
>>729045045It's the troll equivalent of Poe's Law. The problem is a shit load of people do sincerely believe A when they're first faced with this problem, that always gives an air of doubt to any troll.
>>729045608so using a singular method, used to describe observed reality, you use it to propose the possibility without accounting for the different reality.so how do you take in the conflicts with object itself? handwave it away? magic is ok after you say derher relativity?
>>729045775>you would see space on the other side rushing toward you>the hole is moving, space isn'tYou're confused.
>>729046053Both A and B rely on a magical portal, which simply connects 2 points in space. But B doesn't have any other issues apart from that. B just makes more sense, even if it sometimes feels unnatural.
Listen Bfags, you lovable scamps, instead of the cube; try to picture the portal rushing towards (You). You won't be flung out of it because what is actually happening is new space in manifesting around you. You aren't rushing to a space. Space is rushing to YOU. An impossibility in abscence of a portal. Space will never and can never do such a thing in a world without portals.Hence A.If you were catapulted at speed in an arc AND a portal also intercepted you; it would not add to your speed. The position in space would simply happen earlier in time.The bastion of rationality that is Afaggotry wins again, as it always must.
>>729042449nigger you are pre-galilean
>>729046632If a freight truck with open cargo doors back into you at high speed just as you jump to clear the height, you don't stop at the entrance.
>>729044360Can any B fag present in this thread explain this?
>>729046932Based. A wins again.
>>729046071if you held onto the doorway in OP you would see chair guy rushing toward you
>>729046396B has no issues? You've accounted for nothing else but "relativity".With B, why isn't the object/person ripped in half right away from their new velocity compared to the ret to arrive half?With B, why isn't the potential air pressure ripping his skin off or compressing him to 2d depending on his speed?With B, how is an object imparted with new energy/force with no applicator?B is such a mid choice. A is for gamers, B is for npcs. There is the third option, but its either "it's impossible either way" or incomplete physics papers.
>>729046861The webm was created by someone who understood it was B. The entire point is it depicts A's logic and demonstrate how retarded A is.There is nothing a "bfag" needs to explain. The webm is arguing in their favour.
>>729046814But you ARE at the same position in space overall. "Inside the truck" doesn't up and override the the space of the world overall.Are you begining to see it Bfag? Let the truth wash over you. You see, don't you?
>>729047134>their new velocity compared to the ret to arrive half?The two halves don't have different velocity relative to each other.
>>729047245I can see that you're fucking retarded, yes.
>>729047073And the chair guy would quite literally be moving relative to you. You'd even collide.
>>729047245Once inside the truck, you'll essentially have entered a room that was formerly moving toward you at high speed.Which will in turn be the same as entering a still room while moving at high speed yourself.From the perspective of a camera mounted inside the truck, you will "fling".
>>729046632>You aren't rushing to a space. Space is rushing to YOU. An impossibility in abscence of a portalBbros... I think this line spells our doom.It... makes sense. I never considered this.Am I... becoming a Afag?
The amount of people who don't understand physics is exactly why it's a college class and not a highschool class.
>>729047271this guy is one big atom now?half an object in a different space is not now subject to the new spaces effects?slap yourself, nothing will happen since the rest of you hasn't arrived yet.
>>729047134>With B, why isn't the object/person ripped in half right away from their new velocity compared to the ret to arrive half?Why would they be? You get ripped in half when two parts of your body are moving apart from each other. If the parts of your body don't move away from each other but instead stay together, which is the whole point of B, then the obvious conclusion is that the two parts of your body will in fact not move away from each other to rip apart. >With B, how is an object imparted with new energy/force with no applicator?The same way a portal can change momentum direction without a force. It is a short jump to think that it will change the vector rather full vector rather than just the direction.
>>729047520The new space's effects such as? One portal lowers over him rapidly, the other still portal extrudes him at the same rate. He is neither compressed nor expanded, slowed nor accelerated. He is simply taken from a frame of reference where he's holding still relative the floor to a frame of reference where he isn't.
>>729047389But "space" was never moving toward you. An object is. Whereas with the portal there is space *itself* moving towards you.What warrants you arbitraily painting the contents of the truck as a space as distinct from the space outside it? Nothing. Take the walls of the truck away except the back and what happens to the man in this experiment? A wall moving at him, then stopping. Nothing else.Do you see anon?
>>729047134>With B, why isn't the object/person ripped in half right away from their new velocity compared to the ret to arrive half?Because the new velocity is in perfect sync with the speed at least the part of him yet to enter is entering.(Inb4 you try to claim that speed is zero, enterance speed is an inherently relative concept)>With B, why isn't the potential air pressure ripping his skin off or compressing him to 2d depending on his speed?There would be air blowing out of the exit that is true. But he's be leaving in the same direction that the air is moving so that is not an issue.>With B, how is an object imparted with new energy/force with no applicator?The portal is the applicator. It's the same way a portal demonstrates changing a passing object's velocity whenever it changes the direction it is moving.The real question is why you have a big hang up over the idea of the cube's velocity changing and yet are fine with the cube changing move direction which is literally the cube changing velocity. But the answer to that one is you don't grasp that changing move direction is changing velocity.
>>729047242I don't think you understand the gif, bro. Btards are so fucking dumb it's insane.
>>729042449>unironicallyI like to think not. I like to think they are just ebin trolls.
>>729047346question wasn't if someone hanging onto orange portal piston is moving, it was if the passage itself is in motion
B tards have a chance of grasping their retardation with the presence of mine venerable self in this thread.
>>729047761>I don't think you understand the gifI both understand it and unlike you can even do the bare minimum of correctly identifying its file format.
>>729047725>What warrants you arbitraily painting the contents of the truck as a space as distinct from the space outside it?Trying to make it actually analogous to the portal problem by ceasing to consider the outside world, in this case an analog for the frame of reference I was in before the portal lowered over me, once the transfer is over.
>>729045045Bait by means of absurdist inversion. Don't you have anything better Bfag?
>>729047857Actually let's run with your analogy for a second.You acknowledge the guy hanging onto the moving door frame is moving right?Would he be moving if he was hanging onto the blue portal in >>729044778?
>>729047930Yeah, sure.
>>729042287>A is A according to Afags>B is B according to Afags>neither of them are symmetric to the original A argument
>>729048116>A is ABased and randpilled.
>>729046861>B guy makes a little clip to show how ridiculous A guys are>A guy misunderstands it and LMAO BFAGS BTFOYou A's really are something else.>hurr not an argumentNot making an argument. Just calling you a dumbass.
>>729047661Perfect bfag logic right there.. there is no god but relativity. The only metric/tool needed to describe something unprovable. Incomplete NPC behavior.
>>729048163Afaggotry is the simple application of reason to reach the correct answer.Bfags are absurdist Kantian fools.
portals (from the game) is perpetum mobile
Yet another thread of B Fags getting btfo but still being too retarded to figure things out
>>729048223>NOOOO YOU CANT JUST USE RELATIVITY TO EXPLAIN EVERYTHINGThe way I am moving relative to the portal I go into becomes the way I am moving relative to the other portal. Whether the relative movement between me and either portal is more from my own movement or theirs is irrelevant. If the velocity numbers didn't add up then more or less of me would come out of the portal than went in.
>>729044360>Sit on the blue portal>As the box has no momentum, it's not gay to have it shoved up my ass
>>729048013Trying but failing.The essential failure of bfaggotry is to equate moving space with a moving object.Your confusion is understandable: "moving space" is an impossibity in real life without portals. But IF portals are possible THEN A must be true. Neither B nor A are true in a world without them. Because the probelm simply cannot come up.
>>729048334>"but I did eat breakfast this morning" argument>posted as an ownAfaggot apologia is something else, man.
>>729048450>The essential failure of bfaggotry is to equate moving space with a moving object.but this is true because motion is relative
>>729048334>"refuse to answer what force is moving the box">LITERALLY ALREADY ANSWERED IN THIS VERY THREAD >>729047607 >>729047747Also lol "force of energy", the anon has no idea what he's talking about.
Bfags really enjoy watching sisyphus (A fags) roll that boulder huh?We enjoy flexing our reason so it's no matter. Sisyphus is happy as a clam.
>>729048450>"moving space" is an impossibity in real life without portals.Huh? But you can measure space as moving easily just by setting the frame of reference as an object. That's all this is. Set up the math problem such that you don't have to measure anything impossible to measure.If you are moving relative to space you will stay moving relative to space.
>>729048560Motion OF WHAT
>>729048647Reason declares that a still object cannot exit a still portal. Either the box or the portal the box is coming out of has to move.
>>729048026no but the portal still would. that's why the doorway is a comparison. if it were the exact same, it would cease to be a comparison and just be the thing instead
>>729048648Entities move through space. Period. Nothing else in the universe is anything BUT entities acting.
>>729048734>if you held on to the blue portal you wouldn't move>but the blue portal would move>but you wouldn'tso you believe that the blue portal recedes backwards into the ground to make space for the cube to exit, while simultaneously not moving at all, cool. You somehow accept this more easily than B.
>>729048706anythingframes of reference are also objectsworlds are also objects
>>729047747>Because the new velocity is in perfect sync with the speed at least the part of him yet to enter is entering.You are so far up your relativity you don't even know how retarded this is.>The portal is the applicator. It's the same way a portal demonstrates changing a passing object's velocity whenever it changes the direction it is moving.The portal doesn't impart anything. It is a hole. You need to start with the correct logic to even begin to predict logical outcomes.>The real question is why you have a big hang up over the idea of the cube's velocity changing and yet are fine with the cube changing move direction which is literally the cube changing velocity. But the answer to that one is you don't grasp that changing move direction is changing velocity.Because we're talking about the foundation the question is even built on, the Portal game logic... The properties and effects have already been laid out.Truest answer that is possible is A, gamers choice. B is half-educated NPC bullshit that changes the original properties and can't describe anything past "relativity".
>>729048850No they aren't
>>729045134Those are all just me, and I do not actually believe the earth is flat.
>>729048909>things i think are objects have 1 atomok retard
>>729048782In the event space moves around one particular object, due to all other objects being inside of space and thus subject to its change in position, and all measurement being based upon the changes in relative positions of those objects, it would be indistinguishable from that object moving.
>>729048632forward slash does not mean "of" retard, l2r
>>729048941>tries to deflect with something completely ubrelatedRetard.
>>729042287inb4 it's both b/c of gravityhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DydIhwLrbMk&pp=ygUOcG9ydGFsIGdyYXZpcnk%3D
>>729048997how are they not objects
>>729048989The image says "force of energy", not "force/energy". Read the shitposts you're defending.
>>729042287I don't get it bros
>>729044360case closed, the cube just plopsthanks fags
consider this scenario occurring in vaccuumnow consider this scenario occurring underwaterwhat is changed
>>729049037It's the Afaggot perception of the portal problem. They don't see a difference between both portals moving at identical speeds in opposite directions and one portal moving while another holds still.
>>729048902I'm not that anon, but you should draw a picture and label velocities if you want to demonstrate that something would be ripped apart. Just two frames will do. If you are going to make a claim like that and call other retarded, you should be willing to put in the work to back it up.
>>729048964Well aint it neat that some entities are in motion while others are not?Your own argument argues A.>thus subject to its change in position*plop
>>729042449That is exactly what is happening in the original too, you retarded troglodyte.
>>729049294>some entities are in motion while some are notAnd if space suddenly starts moving relative to exactly one object that's the exact same as that object suddenly moving. Some entities are in motion RELATIVE TO ALL OF SPACE.
>>729049327Do you believe if someone grabbed the side of the moving door contraption, they would be moving?Now, do you believe if someone grabbed the blue portal in the original problem, they would be moving in the same manner?
>>729042287If anything, the wind from the moving wall would push him backwards.
>>729049348Hench plop.
>>729048902>You are so far up your relativity you don't even know how retarded this is.It's not even relativity I'm talking about here it's the fundamentals of what is happening. Even A says this happens. Tell me, if a portal takes one second to engulf the cube as it is going down how long does it take the cube to fully leave the portal? If your answer is one second then you've acknowledged the two ends are in sync.>The portal doesn't impart anything. It is a hole. You need to start with the correct logic to even begin to predict logical outcomes.Drawing conclusion based on it "being a hole" isn't sound. What is sound is observing the behaviour exhibited by the portal, regardless what you call it.>The properties and effects have already been laid out.Which is true, but those properties and effects include changing the velocity of what passes through them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASUUN0W4_JYAgain >The real question is why you have a big hang up over the idea of the cube's velocity changing and yet are fine with the cube changing move direction which is literally the cube changing velocity.
>>729049414You can't grab a portal, retard.
*Hence
>>729049106Relatively speaking, what happens with your example of> both portals moving at identical speeds in opposite directions
>>729048842not "the blue portal" but the portal as a whole, there are no sides. when I move my hand 6 inches forward there isn't an entrance or exit, it's just connected space from one inch to the next. the portal problem has the connections between space changing in motion
>>729049509NTA but it sounds to me like you're dodging the question.If someone grabbed the object depicted in >>729044778 that bears the blue portal, would they be moving?
Bfags sunk cost so hard lamo
>>729044360me and ur mom
>>729049541The object ACTUALLY plops because its relative speed compared to the entrance portal is exactly enough to counter the movement of the exit.
>>729044360This is a false equivalence because the cube is on a stationary platform and the platform exists between portal a and b, is not completely encompassed by the portal, which is when the relative velocity of the portal’s approach would be transferred onto the object if it completely passed through in order to satisfy newton’s law
>>729049687ignore the dude at the top left I'm a fuckup
>>729049687kino
>There are people IN THIS THREAD that B is unironically trueThese people are probably also /pol/tards who believe in B
>>729044196>throws a ball through a doorframe >it immediately stops highschool dropout niggas continuing to fail newton in their 30's
>>729049687clearly the doorway should fly away from you. you then stay still because your momentum is transferred to the door. this happens every time we walk through a doorway, should be obvious
>>729049542>the portal problem has the connections between space changing in motionAnd if the connecting space between you and a room is moving around you, you are moving relative to that room and therefore will be moving upon entry... what am I not seeing here?
>>729049687Lies, slander, and calumny.
>>729049793Why do you think this happens in B? If both sides of the doorframe are still and your ball is moving it'll stay moving. Dipshit.
>>729049875you're illiterate
>>729049920You're retarded.
>>729049687>>729042287And this highlights that both A and B have a frame of reference in which momentum is not conserved. This means both A and B are invalid according to the laws of physics, and so we either answer "Neither, the system is inconsistent."
>>729049793not sure how anything in that picture relates to someone throwing a ball
>>729049971>both A and B have a frame of reference in which momentum is not conservedNo, as the Afag model of B is inaccurate while the Bfag model of A is accurate.
>>729049971No retard both OP and >>729049687 present an absurdity.It's not "both are wrong" or "b is right"It's "a is right", period (meaning the classic meme here >>729049789 )
>>729050116>A is rightyou're literally retarded
>>729050116OP presents an absurdity based on a misunderstanding of BThe latter post presents an absurdity based on a correct understanding of AIf correctly understanding A leads to absurdity in A, then A is wrong.
>>729050150Great argument pal.
>>729050229if you're impenetrable to rational arguments there are no rational options left for me
>>729050212This, but the inverse.The absurdity is B's.
>>729050243>god these faggots have been wheeling me back and forth through this doorframe for like an hour when do I get a drink
>>729043530irregardlessly you understood him
>>729050258The space moving=/= nor equate to objects moving argument I made slays you. Sorry bfag.
>>729050116>>729050274Let me chime in and call you a retard too. Just think for a moment, what happens to all the air that gets captured by the portal? If it were A, it's absurd. Replace the air with any liquid. A demands it stops motion but you have a fluid coming in at a fixed rate, it must exit with the same fixed rate.
>>729050357moving space and moving objects is equivalent
>>729050357>space moving relative to an object does not equate to that object movingIn all measurable ways it does.
>>729050378Nature abhors a vaccum. No air is transfered beyond a bit of turbulence trading eddies between the portals.The object is therefore minorly jostled upon exit.
>>729049471>It's not even relativity I'm talking about here it's the fundamentals of what is happening. Even A says this happens. Tell me, if a portal takes one second to engulf the cube as it is going down how long does it take the cube to fully leave the portal? If your answer is one second then you've acknowledged the two ends are in sync.If your logic says portals impart the force to what observers consider "whole" objects, no matter the compositions, there's no helping you. Is this how you would logic real life objects act too?>Drawing conclusion based on it "being a hole" isn't sound. What is sound is observing the behaviour exhibited by the portal, regardless what you call it.You haven't observed shit. Everyone is choosing or making new predictions based on what HAS to be a shared set of parameters, even if simplified or incomplete. This back and forth should be clarifying missing information to defend either sides choice. My defense stands as a solid, and yes simple, foundation of in-game explanations on portal compositions and effects. Your defense has been a one trick pony with no defense outside of, "just ignore it because relativity is all that matters, the rest will magically sort itself out".>Which is true, but those properties and effects include changing the velocity of what passes through them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASUUN0W4_JY [Embed]Non maker says "relativity" "vectors" "no conservation". Makers say the way the game explained and played out is how it works. So the best you have for me is you aren't even arguing for the correct B? You aren't even using portals in anything since you changed the parameters of the original question..>AgainYes, you've revealed you aren't even talking about the original question. You made up your own rules to be NPC correct.
>>729050385Space cannot move normally (read: irl)Black holes notwithstanding. Everything on earth is in a like context of space, which portals would disturb.
>>729050787im so fucking good at transparencies
The portal transfers its own speed to the cube, its that simple
>>729049701plops where? in front of a moving portal? so.. no plopping then.
>>729050812>Everything on earth is in a like context of space, which portals would disturb.And this disturbance would only be relevant to objects interacting with the portals directly, physically. Not to the entire universe equally.
>>729049830that doesn't sound wrong but grants the reasoning in OP. so. disagree to disagree?
>>729050759>portals impart the force to what observers consider "whole" objectsThis is how A would have to work, how can you be this dense, holy fucking shit.
>>729050639????????? Air has mass. You're insane.
>>729050872Huh? No. BEHIND the other moving portal. One portal is moving forward at X MPH and the other is moving backward at X MPH. Imagine them attached back to back. You know, like an ACTUAL hoop or doorframe.
>>729042287Nobody thinks its B in this image. Your IQ is just too low to understand that B in the portal problem, is A in your image.Consider, what the man in the chair sees. He sees the doorway move towards him, pass over him, and then move away behind him. Now consider what the cube sees. The cube, sees the portal moving towards it, the portal passes over the cube, then behind the cube the portal moves away as the cube flies through the air. As far as the cube is concerned it never moved anywhere, the entire room on the other side of the portal moved towards it.
>>729050812what do you think gravity is
>>729051091made up
>>729051082>As far as the cube is concerned it never moved anywhere, the entire room on the other side of the portal moved towards it.Thank you, fellow A fag.
>>729049029Boy is his face gonna be red when portals are invented and everyone realizes gravity is fake.
>>729044780A does not work in any universe, A is incompatible with basic geometry.
I feel like I'm watching the slow brain-death of whoever's making these threads in real time. Every single thread made about this somehow has a more retarded image than the last
>>729051175You misunderstand.Because the cube thinks the room moved toward it, it will continue thinking the room should move toward it. And so it will move toward the room. Because they're physically the same thing.
>>729050947Which makes the portal surface have tension as the piston rushes downwards.Retard.
>>729051082The room on the other side KEPT MOVING TOWARDS HIM according to the cubes frame of reference, therefore it's BThat momentum doesn't vanish passing through a portal
>>729051082>cube sees portal moving toward it>passes over cube>stops>plop
>>729051236What possesses the momentum? Not the cube.
>>729051232Anon, you didn't even address what happens if you put the portal through a liquid. Like water. If you're going to say: "it doesn't enter because reasons". You're the most retarded anon here. Protip: Air is a fluid.. I know you can't answer this because you're a retard so don't bother replying me.
Both portals share the same reference frame. If we make it an inertial reference frame, we can assume both portals are stationary. Remember, even if one or both portals are on a moving object, the portals are themselves still an inertial point in space. Any object entering either portal must therefore have velocity, which is unchanged by the process of entering or exiting.
>>729051236>The room on the other side KEPT MOVING TOWARDS HIM according to the cubes frame of referenceBut you can see the room on the other side suddenly accelerate relative to his frame of reference, which is consistent to A rather than B, even though it's meant to be B.
>>729051228See you're just demonstrating that Bfaggotry is all about the feeling of the matter with this "cube thinking' analogy.
>>729051371If BOTH sides are submerged with equal pressure? Same thing.
>>729044459>design a demonstration incorrectly>"see? this proves it!!!"i swear to god these niggers are embarrassing...
>>729051407took the companion cube thing very serious
>>729051453That wasn't the proposed scenario. You're utterly retarded.
>>729051120>Afags are the flat earthers of /v/
>>729047413maybe in your third world country. Achads have access to good education and so learn basic physics early in high school and more advanced physics later alongside calculus classes. That'd of course be why they can wrap their heads around this trivial problem
>>729051371Not him and what happens to the negative pressure in front of the entrance portal?Yes the air WANTS to go in right up until its pressure threatens any negativity then it doesn't end up doing it. Omitting the aformentioned turbulent eddies.
>>729051569you mean that Achads are correct? tyfyc
>>729051407You're the one who brought it up, retard. The feeling and the fact are the same. Movement relative to space is the same as space moving relative to you.
>>729046632What happens to a person standing in front of the blue portal. The issue with this moving space nonsense is you utterly ignore the implications. Define exactly how this moving space works. Not a single A-tard in the history of ever has explained their magical moving space.
>>729051531You HAVE to propose it if you deign to do it in comparison to the rooms filled with air of the original meme, faggot.Nice try.
>>729044360If there was a wall after the blue portal, this contraption would be capable of applying infinite force to said wall, ignoring the strength of the objects. There'd be no forces on the object holding the orange portal.
Bfags come across as epistemic subjectivsts whilst Afags come across as Aristotelians.This informs upon which is correct. Make the correct decision faggots.
>>729050759I’m not that anon, but you should actually draw what you think is happening when something would be ripped apart with labels for velocity. You ignored me before because you know a picture would destroy your own argument and you have no way to deflect.
>>729051594Again, replace "air" with any fluid on right side so you can understand. Sure, there is some pressure, but the velocity the portal is being pushed into the fluid is going to win against the pressure on the other side assuming it's the same enviroment. That fluid is moving IN at a rate, that rate must be conserved otherwise you have an absurdity and probably create a black hole on the other side. >>729051679Retard
>>729051813>IN at a rateRight, producing turbulence
>>729050926skipping over imparting? what the bfag disingenuous fuck can you read?
>>729051902You are retarded.
>>729047520Space is locally continuous across the portal boundary (when moving at constant velocity, weird things happen when portals change accelerate). You seem to believe that B means that matter suddenly gains speed on crossing the boundary. This is not the case. At no point does matter gain speed, you are looking at it wrong. When you look at the portal from the platform side, the entire cube is stationary, even the parts which have gone through the portal. But on the blue side, the cube was always moving, even before it came through.Also, consider how a portal can give an object two different heights, depending on how you look at it, this is the same for speed. You seem to have no issue with an object instantly having height on going through a portal.
>portals have contradictory, paradoxical effects on physics>instead of realizing this is because portals themselves are physically inconsistent with reality, people try to argue how this fictional thing should work in reality
>>729051937>no counterargumentnot looking good for bcucks...
>>729051971>contradictory, paradoxicalLike what you stupid bitch?
>>729051889It's extremately simple:>goes in, with a speed>goes out, with the same speedIf it behaves like that with fluids, it'll behave the same way with anything.>turbulenceYou're throwing a word you don't understand that doesn't say anything how it should behave. It's meaningless in this context.
>>729051773im no artist, begger, thought experiments too difficult for you is not my problem. here's a (you) for your troubles
>>729051971this is the calling card of the Bfag, i'm sorry to say. you and your ilk pull this one out of your sleeves when you realize it's hopeless. it's like the ultimate cope.what you don't realize is that intellectuals (like akings) enjoy theorizing about and debating the hypothetical and even the impossible. so many great and important discoveries in the history of physics (or other sciences) began in this manner, if we just cast them aside because they seem impossible with our current understanding of the world, we'd still be troglodyte cavemen - like you
>>729051971Breaking physics does not mean paradoxical. You can break physics in a logically consistent way. Which is what B does. A is paradoxical though.
>>729052094ok i never said people shouldn't engage in hypotheticals or thought experiments, just that none of them can be provable because portals aren't real
>>729042287wghat
>>729049765>I'm a fuckupWell no shit youre a B fag
>>729052094>so many great and important discoveries in the history of physics (or other sciences) began in this mannername five hundred.
>>729051971True but the >>729049789 meme requires that one grant the premise.IF the premise is granted; one and not the other is true.
>>729042287OP is brown as usual
>>729052182>just that none of them can be provable because portals aren't realyou can't know this, retard-sama. they might conflict with our CURRENT understanding of physics. they might not be real, in some sense, FOR NOW. 3,000 years from now when the common man is travelling via portal he will look back on simpletons like you and thank christ that nobody values your opinions
>>729050385No, they aren't. The
>>729044778The other one is literally moving. That's what the arrow means.>>729044623The box would fall off, but yeah you could spin it if you're able to move portals.>>729051761The question of what happens when a portal is moved bringing an item into contact with another is not a obvious one, but we know things can be displaced by things moving through portals, so it's reasonable to assume the object would just interact as if it was pressed against the other object at a rate the portal was being moved at the point of the portal's entry.
>>729052320there's no reason to engage with this line of thought with our current understandings. for all intents and purposes, to everyone in this thread, portals aren't real. full stop. claiming there's a possibility they are real does nothing practical for this thread except extend the duration you can continue to troll afags or bfags about whichever solution you decided to pick.
>>729052320And man will walk through a portal on earth and emerge at walking speed on mars.
>>729052178Troll. Most Bfags are actually Afags deep down but concluding a matter so simply is boring so they troll with twists of half plausible verbiage.
>>729051773
If you shoot a bullet at a portal that's moving in the same direction as the bullet at a slightly slower speed, what happens if (ignore heat and wind issues)>You reach through the portal and grab the bullet>You stand behind the portal and stare at the bullet going through the portal>You put your hand exactly in the portals in front of the bullet
>>729052414>the object would just interact as if it was pressed against the other object at a rate the portal was being moved at the point of the portal's entry.An object that is still cannot impart force on another still object.
>>729042287B is the right one...
>>729049687A is correct because of friction. No way you can roll that far like in B
>>729052503But... he's still connected normally through the portal. What's tearing him apart? He would have to be secured by something on at least one side of the portal for the relative movement of that end to deliver any tearing force at all.
>>729051961>At no point does matter gain speed, you are looking at it wrong.You aren't arguing any effects at all. As a bfag you must stick to your dogma that relativity of observation is god. There is no motion of mass. There is not velocity or speed or vector or hot or cold or density accept to allow for observed relative to the observer. There is no object or truth because it can only be relative to nothing. Fucking understand that you have changed the question and are answering relative to your own idiocy.>Also, consider how a portal can give an object two different heights,Portals give nothing. You aren't arguing about portals.
>>729052414Damn anonThat sure sounds a lot like there's somemomentuminvolved
>>729052358objects are just another frame of reference
>>729052729>relativity of observation is god. There is no motion of mass. There is not velocity or speed or vector or hot or cold or density accept to allow for observed relative to the observer.... yes. That is objectively correct. None of those things have an objective answer.
>>729049029We can still create infinite energy with his modification because portals can be freely opened and closed.
>>729052669the bottom half is effectively secured because it is not experiencing acceleration
>>729052535A. would state that the bullet is not dangerous being that both and object and the entrance portal is in motion.>You reach through the portal and grab the bulletYes, the bullet's speed is adulerated by the nearly as blisteringly fast portal>You stand behind the portal and stare at the bullet going through the portalYes, go for it>You put your hand exactly in the portals in front of the bulletYesYou can do all 3 of these
>>729052970And it is not experiencing acceleration relative to the portal either. So he wouldn't be torn apart.
I can't believe B-fags are allowed to vote, this type of retardation should be put in a zoo, not in a civilized society.
>>729052669>He would have to be secured by somethingwhy? because he would be "pulled" up otherwise?... you do realize what that means, right? a difference in effects on the object at that time on either side of the portal...
>>729051283Cube is 0, portal is 10Passing through the portal means the cube is now at 10, + whatever that portal is doing
>>729052980The bullet becoming inert upon entering the portal is B logic anon, A logic dictates the bullet would blast through your skull as soon as it entered the portal, and I'm not even sure how grabbing it through the portal would function on A logic
>>729053050>why? because he would be "pulled" up otherwise?... what? Why? Huh? No. Because you can't tear someone apart if both sides of them aren't secured. Unless you're talking about a hypothetical where someone was sitting bisected by a set of portals and one of them suddenly snapped to a ridiculously high velocity, which MIGHT cause injury. But that requires portals to rapidly accelerate/decelerate, not just to engulf something while at speed.
>>729053018yes the bottom half is not experiencing acceleration, correct. and the top half is being accelerated away at some very high speed
>>729053260m8>>729049789
>>729052837have you completely missed the point of the tools of observation? no matter how flawed it is meant to describe what is, and within its precision, make predictions on what will beyou were talking "doesn't exist until observed" level useless bullshit. you have no conviction and only one crutch to use and so you have no answer
>>729046932You can do this one IRL and discover that (of course) it's B. Relative velocity in = relative velocity out.
>>729052503Its not exactly clear what the acceleration refers to. Do you mean the orange portal frame is accelerating. Well, assuming you mean that.Accelerating portals are not well understood. Notice how in the classic portal problem, you avoid the issue by having the portal stop only once the entire cube is already through. In the case of objects intersecting accelerating portals, you need to make some decisions. The most simplest solution is just have the portal close, this actually works well with the game, one could interpret the prohibition of moving portals to really be accelerating portals. Vibration is acceleration, so this could explain why only some moving surfaces can take a portal. These would be special high quality surfaces designed for low vibration.Anyway, whether a portal closes or remains open. Accelerating portals are very bad for objects that intersect them. Obviously so if the portal closes.
>>729042287>exit moves at the same rate as the entrancehula hoops, every single time with you retards
>>729053205???
What is the average IQ of someone who thinks its A90?
The entrance portal moving versus the exit portal moving matters retards.
>>729053320That's not about the acceleration of a portal though, just something being engulfed in a portal that is moving.
>>729053661setting an IQ level on A is not looking good for B...
>>729053263Being in the process of interacting with a portal when the portal itself changes velocity is different from interacting with a portal that has a certain velocity the whole course of the interaction, anon.
A genius admires simplicityB moron admires complexity
>>729053661Average A IQ is 150 with a standard deviation of 10.
>>729053823>only two parentheses on the glowIrritates me something fierce
>>729043496only the entrance setup is the same as the original problem, the exit setup is not
>>729053724No it doesn't. Both portals are the same reference frame.
>>729042287based
>>729053982
>>729053982Bfaggotry slain for all time
>>729054090Space moving =/= cube moving just shorts out your brain doesn't it?
>>729053475>Bfags are too dumb to realize relative velocity goes out the window once portals start moving
>>729054189You have to bear in mind B Fags are barely literate retards so you should at least give them credit for trying.
I believe a 4D being is posting these shit posts. Just praying that some human figures it out to win a bet with his other 4D buddies.
>>729054189Something objectively untrue can hardly short out my mind anon.
>>729054189>space movingWhat happens if you're stood in front of the exit portal?Honestly asking, because I've never seen a spacewarpfag describe it in detail. Do the spaces intersect and the cube telefrags you? Do you get bent out the way like in picrel? What if the portal keeps moving, is there a column/blob of space fucking things up? How far from the portal can the cube travel before it's no longer connected to its original space?
>>729054189Not a single a-tard in history has ever defined the rules for their magical moving space. And you utterly refuse to consider the implication of said moving space, and now it effects objects near the blue portal.
>>729054642>An object in motion stays in motion unless acted upon by an outside forceInversely>An object not in motion stays stationary unless acted upon by an outside forceThe cube isn't going to go flying out the other portal because the cube isn't moving. It is stationary. It will *plop* down the other side of the portal because the new outside force is gravity and gravity only. No velocity is imparted on the stationary object no matter how fast the entrance portal is moving. ON THE OTHER HANDIf the platform with the cube IS moving with significant velocity towards the entrance portal. It will exit the exit portal with the imparted kinetic energy of the platform it was traveling on. Hence>A=*plop*>B=*zoom*
>>729054786B but it's sqrt(2) or something on the diagonal
>>729054786>v=2you are retarded, learn how vectors work before trying to post your dumb shit here
>>729053475>afag (me) starts posting this to btfo bfags>bfags start reposting it as proof of bfor FUCKS sake you bnigger, how do you even pass these new iq captchas, a goldpass?
>>729054873Motion is relative.The cube is moving relative to the portal, and continues moving relative to the portal.
>>729054940>providing ammo to the enemy because you're too retarded to understand your own gif
>>729054873NPCs walk among us. Utterly ignoring everything that is said.
>>729042287Do you have any proof that B is not true?
Atards continue to be delusional.
>>729054873>>An object in motion stays in motion unless acted upon by an outside force>InverselyAfags.jpeg
>>729053623Ok a bullet is moving at say 1000 feet/sThe entrance portal is moving at 999.9 feet/sYou're standing in front of the stationary exit portal, what happens?The A logic is that as soon as the bullet enters the portal, you get blasted at 1000 feet/sIf you were to reach through the portal to try and grab the bullet, you would either get sucked in and fall directly to the ground at 0 feet/s, or your arm would tear off and fall straight to the ground at that speedThe B logic is that the bullet would enter the portal and be moving at 0.1 feet/sIf you were to reach through the portal you would remain fully intact, and could grab the bullet out of the air (ignoring any heat or wind issues, of course)
>>729043265forgive me for correcting you anon but you forgot to include "also you consider should consider suicide" at the end of your post which was important.
>>729052535In which scenario would you be unable to put anything throug the stationary portal as the other portal is moving at 1000 feet/s and if relative motion in is relative motion out and everything gets pushed back out at 1000 feet/s?
>>729054873>the cube isn't moving. It is stationary. It will *plop* down the other side of the portalHow did it get to the other side of the portal without moving?
Stationary objects remain stationary after going through a portal, simple as.
>>729042287It's like a doorway where 1 side can be in a different location than the other. It basically teleports you where ever the other side is. If the doorway is moving, you'll just get dropped off at location 2. If a real doorway moved around you, you wouldn't move. Only way the fly through the door is to propel yourself through it.
>>729055773Finally, someone who's talking sense
>>729055773kino
>>729055874Your scenario presumes both sides of the doorway moving at you at the same speed, which isn't the case presented, where one side of the doorway is stationary
>>729042691Its the same thingMoving a portal onto an object doesnt magically give the object velocity
>>729055773>>729055893i'm just now realising this image is meant to be ironic or is fucking retarded, and the possibility that it's retarded is now greater than zero
>>729055660That's not how relative motion would apply to that at allFrom the moving portal's perspective, everything on the other side of the stationary portal is already moving at 999.9 feet/s
>>729055690Hold your hands two meters apart.Then half the distance in 1 second.Then half it again in 0.5 secondsThen half it again in 0.25Repeat infinite amount of times.The paradox claims you can't finish that set, but what happens in reality? You clap your hands. You just finished an infinite series.
>>729056043I made it and it's ironic, don't worry
>>729056043I made this and it is completely unironic
>>729056287thank fucking godwe can't have these retards at the point where they're capable of generating mspaint content>>729056356i will take your life with my own hands
>>729054610It's hard to describe how a portal would affect spacetime since there's not a real physical model of how they work. Pushing "space" through itself isn't something that should happen, any more than "space" already gets pushed by objects moving through it in an ordinary way.Portals are generally understood as an ideal wormhole that simply and seamlessly connects two areas of space across their aperture. But even calling them a wormhole isn't really accurate because portals are 2D, there's no space or time in between two portals that you need to traverse to get to the other side.Maybe you would see effects like frame-dragging and Doppler shifting that you get with real-life extreme objects like black holes if you accelerated a portal to relativistic speeds, but even that's hard to understand since portals aren't objects, they're just magically connected 2D regions of space. Maybe someone with an actual education in physics could get into that more but as a layman I'd basically just be writing science fiction (even more than everyone in this thread already is).
>>729056053Why wouldn't it work like that?From the stationary portal's perspective the moving portal is moving really fast and that's why it's going to push you back from going through the portal.
>>729054786you can't add vectors like that due to the portals existing at different points
>>729055690>you drop a hula hoop over an apple>the apple stays where it wasvs>you throw an apple through a hula hoop>the apple keeps traveling after passing through the hoopPic related>How did Buster Keaton get to the other side of the window without moving?!!?!
>>729045045pretend to be retarded long enough and your brain gets stuck that way. there's no substantive difference between a "Bfag pretending to believe its A" and an actual Afag, they're both just retarded.
>>729056461From the stationary portal's perspective, the exit portal is not moving, everything around it is
>>729056454>Maybe someone with an actual education in physics could get into that moreThere is that one professor of quantum physics + cosmology who weighed in on this and said the wormholes behave like B.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07a3Q4earBII actually do have a physics degree but objects passing through moving wormholes are 2hard4me, so I choose to take him at his word.
>>729056092Yes, the "paradox" is sophistry, like the claim that the cube can move from one point to another in space without "really" moving
>>729056545
>>729055624Not all of us are evil, believe it or not.
>>729056643So what you're telling is that portals don't affect motion after all?
>>729056660Oh yeah the answer the cube problem is definitely B, but the question of if moving portals could apply some kind of positive pressure to spacetime itself and make "space" "move through" the portal is beyond me.
>>729042287enjoy your goat Afags.
>>729056730disingenuous,he wouldn't be stuck he would plop out just like A saysthe box never jumpskill self
>>729056816Well if it didn't, you'd drop to the ground at a speed of 0 if you went through the stationary portalIf you believe that's what would happen then sure that's what you believe I can't prove it wouldn't work like that
>>729050759>Non maker say. Makers say.In this case the non maker is someone who actually understands physics. Did the definition of a parsec change because George Lucas got it wrong?> and played out No that's literally not the case. The way it is played out is the way the actual physics professor describes it. He's the one actually pointing at what the portals actually fucking do in the game and pointing out that it's not conserving momentum. And he's correct because he actually understands physics.Changing the direction of a vector meaning the vector isn't conserved isn't even complicated physics. It's incredibly basic, they teach the velocity and momentum are vectors in schools.
>>729056913It's 50%. Either you get the car or you don't.
This new "stuck" cope from bfags is really cute
>>729056913>invoking the irrelevant monty hall problem from babby's first statistics class thinking this is somehow a winB Fags are getting more retarded the further time goes on
>>729052275>dude what if everything was made of tiny vibrating 11-dimensional strings
>>729057246
>>729057234Simply say how they go through the portal without moving anon
>>729057407Bfags win again.
Imagine I tape a thin sheet of paper over the exit portal. Please, can any A fags tell what happens to that piece of paper when the cube runs into it?
>>729042287in this example, the exit passage is also moving at the same rate as the entrance passage, which means it counteracts any force that the person would have if they went through a moving portal. the most logical answer is that the stationary cube or whatever, after a moving portal falls on them, is flung out of the other stationary portal. obviously this makes no sense for a stationary object to suddenly gain speed with no force acting on it, thats because portal arent real and how they work in the game can never work with real world physics
>>729044360
>>729057891ambiguous slop
>>729042287Portals aren’t real and modern physics is wrong
>>729042287You beleive in contradictions in reality irl if you think A is the answer, whereas those who answer B know the questions premise contradicts reality, and evolve on that premise. The question simply isn't possible to realistically give an answer to, ultimately, without arriving at the fact than any logic consistant with reality cannot possibly be used to prove an answer in a scenario which contradicts it. All laws of reality coallsce and work together, there cannot be one thing which isn't harmonious with it because it would then not be at all.
>>729058030but B is conformant with frames of reference
>>729057920A.theists showing their powerlevel LMAO
>>729058087i'm a Bfag, your image doesn't explain or demonstrate or indicate anything
>>729058085Ok? What of it? B doesn't suppose that the exit end doesn't exist while also saying an outcome occurs therein.
>>729058030A fags:1. Have no consistent model for A2. Have no idea how B actually works3. Either don't read or just ignore any posts from /b/ fags (they can only repeat hulu hoops / doors and don't respond when its pointed out how B is a door with only one side moving)4. When cornered, will just make up words to avoid saying moving like "emerged" "Where does the energy come from" or whatever is a retarded argument, because A fags already know that by placing two stationary portals directly on top of each other things can infinitely fall e.g. infinitely accelerate, but they don't wonder where that energy comes from.
>>729058256Clearly this is shopped, in real life the fat man would have fallen to the floor of the van as soon as he entered
>>729058301Afags believe that portals work exactly how Bfags say they do, but can't wrap their heads around the one specific circumstance
>>729058142It is a bit ambiguous now that I look at it more, because the first "panels" (there are no visual borders but they are effectively so) don't fully communicate what's going on, but I think the intent was to show the outcome of the entrence piston moving around not just the object but the platform it's on, begging the question, if the piston from the original question were to then stop later, would the box launch? The A.theist deny's the box is moving which then begs the question when it begins to. For the one that answers B., they've already answered this at the very beginning, it IS of course, moving. It's basically taking the question further to demonstrate.
>>729058405don't beg the questionbegging the question presumes a level of awareness/intelligence of the audience you can't rely on
>>729058405I'm not gonna lie, a picture extremely similar to that one that anon posted there is what made me convert from an Afag several years ago
>>729058303he is clearly stationary. the bus is the one moving.if the bus somehow stopped dead in its tracks as the man entered the window, he would have plopped to the ground (A)
Nether are the answer. That's a man eating wall.
>>729058595If the man was stationary, per A logic, he would have remained stationary in the van and immediately fell to the floor
>>729058595how if the guy is moving or not after he enters the bus isnt relative, since the output portal is stationary while the input portal isnt, the only thing that matters is that from the busses perspective, the man is flying through it.
>>729052535>bulletOk I've gotten back from work and have been able to illustrate my scenarioIs the cat a fine red mist?
>>729058575I don't have it but I remember a funny meme depicting an A.fag putting his face over the exit portal smugly before getting smashed by what comes out, which worked on the same pretense. If anyone has it (or others) please post.
>>729058995assuming the blue side is stationary, the bullet would lose almost all momentum. its basically the same thing as that one mythbusters episode where they shoot a basketball 40mph backwards out of a truck going 40mph and the basketball just falls straight to the ground with no lateral movement
>>729042287okay but why wouldn't this work
>>729059082Ok now this is importantIs what you said A logic, or B logic?
>>729059172b logic, because the input side is moving, it is essentially acting as a force on the object, even if it doesnt touch actually touch the object. in your example it basically takes all momentum from the bullet and in the common example with the cube, it GIVES the cube acceleration, even though that obviously isnt how it works in real life, its the one that is most consistent with physics
>>729059293You are correct sir! Congratulations on being smarter than Afags
I choose to believe that both A and B fags are fags and portals are only useful to help you suck your own dick (which is objectively more straight than arguing about portal physics)
I think I may have broken AI with the portal question.
someone pull up gabens definitive email
>>729059457AI is not equipped to answer it. I expect to see a bfag try to use it to argue his case one of these days.
Bchads are simply saying that the cube will exit the portal at the same speed as it enters it. Afags using the hoop analogy are saying that the cube will exit the cube at twice the speed as it enters, which wholly fails to comprehend that is not what Bgods argue.
>>729059537Well it didn't break and it went with B, saying motion is relative/defined in relativity.
>>729059647Realtive to the thing that moves. Which is not the cube.
>>729059715So you're saying the room moved around itself, and thus, the room is not stationary? Would that not mean that the initial state of the cube was moving? Checkmate fA.ggot.
>>729059630they can't define speed
>>729059821There is a correlation between afags and leftists.
leftists are bfags
The pA.radox is quite funny because there's no way of getting around the B.ig answer staring you right is the fA.ce.
>>729059982I've been an afag for years but this is the first post to finally make me reconsider my position
>>729060009lolno, A.theists are communists. >>729060049lmao
>>729048334>refuse to answer what "force of energy" is moving the boxthe force is produced by gravitational wavesthe box gets momentum from the spacetime distortion for the same reason an object is bound by gravity
>>729059982The proportion of A.fags and B.lads is proportionate to the outliers of the bell curve, a further affirmation of their position.
>>729060009They carry that snide pseud gaslighting energy, yeah.A. won the argument years ago. They just like to make our task sisyphean for teh lulz
>>729047413Physics is literally a highschool class.
>>729060073I'm literally an Objectivist. I hate commies more than anyoneA is A
>>729042287It's whatever the fuck you want because stationary portals already violate the laws of physics with how they're implemented in game and moving them relative to each other violates even more.
I can call someone who answers a gA.y, an A.theist, a pA.pist, and so on, and what can you call me? B.isexual? B.etter than g.Ay wound't yA. sA.y?
>>729060297Thats all well and good dear centrist but the A vs B argument is implicitly one where the premise has already been granted. INSIDE of this premise: who wins the argument? I say A.
>>729060297Hold on there bucky roo, B. accepts the absurdity of the premise and argues on that basis, thus making it logically consistant in the absurdity of the theorhetical premise.
>>729060297this but B is the answer that follows the laws of physics the most, Afags dont understand that the input portal moving basically acts as a force on the cube, making it exit from the output portal at the same speed that the input portal was moving
I think this might be something where you are actually biologically incapable of understanding why B is correct if your IQ is below about 85 to 90. At this point, trying to educate the remaining Afags is like trying to teach a cat to read and write. There is a hard limit to their understanding that is simply exceeded by the demands of the material.
>>729054642>magical moving spaceOf course it's is a magical moving space: portals are magic. What's your point?
>>729049789Have B fags even played the game? GLaDOS explains how the portals work "speedy thing goes in. Speedy thing comes out" and the cube in that picture is not a speedy thing
>>729060515Thats some cute attempt at gaslighting B troll. A is still necessarily correct. Portals are not force imparting entites, because space does not impart force. Entities acting in and upon space does. A is correct, B in logic couldn't be.Bfaggotry is akin to the pseudery of String Theorists and the like.
>>729060623Then how'd it goes in, dumbass?
this may shock you but portal technology is actually not real
>>729060678Portals do not change the momentum of the object entering. Cube stays still while the portal comes to it
>>729044848Almost. If the exit was moving at -x, you'd exit at x relative to it or -x+x=0 relative to the room. If the exit was separate from the entrance and moving at x, meaning in the direction it's facing and you exited at x relative to it, you'd exit at x+x=2x relative to the room.
>>729060747You said the speedy thing has to go inIf it's not speedy it doesn't go in
Bfags love being bullied, it's why they do this. They love testing our powers of articulation.It's like Commies arguing against the Austrian School. The former was defeated for all time long ago: they just ignore it.
>>729060780Cut a hole in paper and place a dice on a table. Then slam the paper on to the dice. Does the dice keep flying once it come out through the hole?
The portal question argument for God. I will find some way to do this God willing, but it will take a bit of thought.
>>729060803No I actually get off on being your court jester baby.
>>729060841>Once again refuses to acknowledge that a portal with two exits moving at the same speed is different from a portal with one exit moving
>>729060664portals are only not force imparting when they are stationary. when the input portal is moving then it forces the cube to carry that momentum with it through the stationary exit portal. the exit portal is the only one that determines the frame of relativity for the speed of what goes out of it, and since the cube is moving at the opposite speed of the input portal relative to the exit portal, it is flung out like in option B
>>729044623THE BLOCK WOULD FALL OFF BECAUSE OF OTHER FORCES ACTED UPON THE PORTAL + GRAVITY THE SCENARIO ISNT EVEN COMPARABLE TO THE ORIGINAL
A.vin a giggle.
>>729060894>I greentext you that means I winBfags..
I do not engage in dishonest depictions of B. Simple As.
>>729060950kek coming from an a fag; thats a good one
>>729046053>so how do you take in the conflicts with object itself?What conflicts?>>729047134>With B, why isn't the object/person ripped in half right away from their new velocity compared to the ret to arrive half? Why would it be? Every part of the object is stationary relative to every other part so there's no internal stresses or forces to pull it apart.>With B, why isn't the potential air pressure ripping his skin off or compressing him to 2d depending on his speed?It will act identical to moving at that speed through the air normally. If it's fast enough, it'll start burning up like a meteor.>With B, how is an object imparted with new energy/force with no applicator?What force? A is the one where some magical infinite force instantly decelerates it to zero. In B it just continues moving.>A is for gamers, B is for npcs.Actually, it's the opposite. B would make for far more interesting puzzles, but is too complicated for normie brains to understand. They'll just go "but the box isn't moving"
it fucking blows my mind how this thread is a guaranteed bump limit EVERY FUCKING TIME
>>729060953nta but nice way to admit defeat by not addressing their argument at all
A.theists love to press their cock on the chin, then are shocked when B.astards don't wanna be fA.gs.
>>729060987I always find a way to laugh in these threads. I thought I was finally getting tired of them, but the entertainment here is truly ceaseless.
What happens when you get sandwiched between two portals?
>>729060987Bfags have a need to bait and pseudpost and test A's abilty to shoot down absurdities simply for the fun of it.Meanwhile us Afags get to flex our powers of articulation and how well we can properly defend the simple and straightforward in increasingly clever ways. It's all very entertaining. Bfags set up some spaghetti logic, we knock it down. Repeat ad nauseam.
>>729061179You get crushed by yourself essentially
>>729061179you suck your own dick
Yeah sure but I'm B.uff and you're A.norexic.
>>729060965...what else is there to do in these threads?
>>729060987B stands for B.ump limit
>>729052970Neither is the top half. It's simply moving at the same constant velocity (meaning a=0) that it was moving at before entering the portal.>>729053263>bottom half is not experiencing accelerationCorrect.>and the top half is being accelerated awayIncorrect. It's moving at a constant velocity. Take a high school physics class or demonstrate your understanding of basic physics before you reply further.
>>729061179
>>729060778This is borderline heretical
Wait, what is the argument from C fags?
>>729054610a guy tested with non relativistic physics that models gravity and the portal pushes stuff away from it or pulls stuff towards it depending on orientation within the local gravity field
>>729061181I've actually seen the exact opposite, except for the fun part, A.theists don't have fun, and how could you if you act in spite of reality? SA.D >>729061453Ladies and gentlemen, we have a pA.pist.
>>729060623Please clarify what you mean by "speedy thing"
the only way B is true is if moving the portal moves the whole universe with itotherwise the answer is A.
>>729044778>is a png moving
>>729061602You're almost there, ALMOST!
>>729061246Is digiornos involved?
>>729061602genuinely how does this work in your mind. i assume there is some misunderstanding of how the physics would affect the cube if its stationary but i dont see how you could jump to the whole universe needing to be affected by the exit portal being the only frame of relativity for the speed of the cube to be affected by
I fear my fun may have ventured into argumentitive and perhaps spiteful territory, so forgive me.
>>729051465Please point to what part of that exactly is incorrect.
>>729060237>ObjectivistI remember when I was 13
>>729061757It's not your fault that majority of people using 4chan haven't had a formal education anon. It's just the natural consequence of allowing third worlders have internet access
>>729061740marinade on that.
>>729061863cool non-answer, really enlightens me to the truth
Protip for anyone actually taking this "debate" seriously: A and B demonstrate a paradoxical outcome that proves portals as depicted in Portal don't exist.
>>729056581>Bfag...s ...a...re... just retardedI'm glad we can agree on that at least.
>>729061935yes we know, B is just the answer that follows physics the most. thats why the game never has moving portal except for that one retarded mission where you slice the tubes
God said >I am, that I amHis B.rethren said.>I B.e, that I B.eRene' DescA.rtes said>I think, therefore I A.mB.rethren say he put descA.rtes before the horse.
>>729056913Monty Hall problem can be replicated in real life and has an objectively correct solution.Portals do not exist in real life and their very existence would break the rules of physics that either side tries to rely on.
CA.rtesians be like https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_QRpb15j5CE
>>729042691Yeah in the portal version the entrance and exit portals are moving relative to each other. That's not something you can do with a door or a hula hoop and that's why those examples are retarded.
>>729061471C is quite simple>Cave Johnson wants the portals to work like A. Therefore, they create portals that work like A.
>>729044360er, if this was real the box would fall off the platform u dickheads, like momentum exists, it'd fly up
>>729044360Why is the cube glued to the platform?
Forgive me I've shitposted too hard.
>>729051082>the cube seesBfags are literal schizophrenics who think objects are sentient LMAO
>>729052462Yes, like A.
>>729062479Why is the cube's momentum arrested in the first example despite it exiting the portal at the same speed in both examples?
>>729062479Those are the same exact fucking thing you utter retard.
>>729062778Because the cube isn't technically moving, it's completely stationary. Meanwhile in B the cube is moving upwards because of the physics of the piston below it. I don't see how this requires several hundred threads + several thousand posts arguing about it. t- highschool dropout who never did a class of physics
>>729062832>the cube isn't technically movingEverything is technically movingThe cube exits the portal at the same velocity in both examples, and ought to continue along the same trajectory in both examples
>>729054873>the cube isn't moving. It is stationaryYou have no right to quote Newton until you demonstrate that you understand that all motion is relative.
>>729063036Look man I don't have college grade education when it comes to shit like this, I just see cube is stationary in first display and moving upwards in second.
>>729056545>How did Buster Keaton get to the other side of the window without moving?!!?!But he's literally moving in that gif.
hey guysI've been reading through your thread. I'm a professional physicist The answer is actually B
>>729053982Those are the same thing and they're both B.
>>729062832What happens if the problem is otherwise identical but the orange portal is on earth and the blue portal is on mars?
>>729054786B in the original, neither here. He'd exit at 1 upwards, meaning he'd stay still relative to the blue portal on the y axis.
>>729059392>sucking dick is straightAverage cfag everyone.
>>729063350The dick sucking becomes very difficult
>>729059503Not Gaben but did you mean this?
>>729063801there are moving portals in portal 1 or 2, i can't remember which
>>729060049>hundreds of logical arguments proving it's B>nothing>directionbrain bullshit>hurr durr maybe it's actually BYep. Definitely smart enough to be an Afag.
>>729063886in 2 but its only for a retarded section to cut some neurotoxin pipes wheres its not explained why your portals can move now and its never used again
>>729063886Only in one level where it's impossible for the player or a physics object to interact with it. Actually going through moving portals is unintended and probably undefined behavior.
>>729063801i dont think i couldve made a better argument for B, he lays it all out perfectly and explains how the frame of reference works only on the exit portal, that only knows that a cube is moving through it very fast and therefore has to be flung out of it very fast
>>729063747straighter than you, a/b fag
>>729045348The portals are linked, retard. If one portal is moving, then the other is treated as though it's moving relative to the object passing through but since it can't move, it imparts that momentum as if the first portal is pushing the only non-static object which is the thing going through the portal.
>>729064056>>729064064oh yeah, its lasers only or smt
>>729045348>you're just throwing "relativity" at everythingLiterally everything is relative, you dumbfuck
>>729063801Nice try B-fag.
>>729064565Yes. Someone used image manipulation software to compile that picture. Great job figuring that out. I'm sure it took a lot of brainpower.
>>729048194>B fag mistakenly proves A right by making the webm>flat earther mistakenly proves earth is round flying an atmosphere balloon and a camerathe parallels!!!
>>729057891A bros...
>>729064302 Exactly, anon. People keep forgetting the portals aren't just doors-they're spatial warps with a shared reference. If the orange portal is accelerating into an object, that kinetic interaction doesn't just vanish. The blue portal doesn't care about "which one moved," it just knows something is entering with momentum, and it has to conserve it. It's like firing a potato gun where the potato is the center of gravity. The static side becomes the barrel. B is the only consistent answer with conservation of momentum and how the Portal games simulate physics.
A question for all the Afags:What exact rules cause the portals to behave the way they do? And what are the physical interactions that cause those rules?I'll go first. With B, it's simple. The rule is Relative velocity in = Relative velocity out. In layman's terms, they essentially mirror the movement through them: you enter it moving straight into it and you will exit it moving straight away from it at your entry speed. You enter it moving diagonally from the left, you exit the other portal moving away diagonally to the left at the same speed. The speed is determined as the rate at which you pass through the portal, so a portal moving into a cube and a cube moving into a portal are identical scenarios.The reason for that rule is that the portals are essentially wormholes. They're continuous on the inside and moving through them is identical to moving through normal space. A portal shaped hole on a wall will model how it looks from the portal frame.
>>72904228ThisI lately watched someone play portal1 and 2 and glados literally says that it only relies on the momentum of the object, not the portals. The question has been discussed and solved a long time ago, but people start threads like these out of tradition or boredom
>>729067003>momentum of the objectNo such thing. Motion is all relative. So what is that momentum relative to? It makes the most sense for it to be relative to the entry portal.
A chads always win
>>729067161>be retarded>say retarded shit>people disprove the retarded shit you said>be so retarded you don't understand what they're saying>declare yourself the winnerThe Atard mind is truly a wonder to behold
>>729042287can someone make a blobslop comic out of all of these stupid comics
>>729044284Thats only how it looks like, the portals are object focused though. Imagine seeing it from the view of the cube, a room is pulled over your head, a mild wind is all youll feel. The whole point in portal games was that as long as youre not completely through two portals, only your own momentum matters
Well?
>>729067431yes, also B, this is the same as the regular version but it makes it even more obvious that B is correct
>>729067479what's making it spin?
>>729067431It's A because the torque iof thge spiningsporta labyt abeaprobeling to the base
>>729067519the orange portal. do you think it would come out of the blue portal not spinning despite the orange portal spinning around it?
>>729042287>>729042449>there are people who think it's 2 portals
>>729067573>iof thge spiningsporta labyt abeaprobeling
>>729044360no no nono no no no nono fucking delete this shit pelase fuck no no fuck no no i cant no pelase fuck
>>729062479>only the objects momentum matters>the portals momentum does not matter>people either dont get it or try to keep the threads running out of traditionSpeedy thing goes in, speedy thing goes out, its literally said in the game
>>729066815Any Afag feel like answering this?
>>729067653go back to sucking dicks on reddit
>>729067685thats only said to help you understand the concept of momentum and the conservation of energy, it is not a strict rule of the portals
>>729067697>>729066815The rule is that the only relativity/frame of reference that matters is that of the object going through the portal.>b-but that doesn't make any sense in physics!neither do portals
>>729067685>the objects momentumStill no such thing. The cube is moving into the portal as much as the portal is moving over the cube. Both are equally correct. And since the cube is moving and there's no force to stop it, it will continue moving.
In the game itself it says you keep whatever momentum you had when you go through a portal, so if nothing is acting on an object passing through a portal and it was standing still i dont think it would be sent flying, though you are lightly pushed through portals when you're near them so maybe they pull you in and push you out a bit? Has anyone tried doing the original experiment in portals engine to see what would happen?
>>729067697because there is no mechanism imparting any momentum on the cubethere must be a transference of energy into the cube for it to move, and there is no means for that to happen.unless we suspend all disbelief completely and assume that portals violate all laws of physics and just do that for no reason, at which point there are no actual rules for how portals work and this debate is moot, anyone can make up any answer they want.
>>729067857Im not sure, but I do think portals impart a bit of energy on you when you go through them, at least I think i can remember being pushed out a bit when I go through a portal, could just be I have spotty memory
>>729067749>the only relativity/frame of reference that matters is that of the objectThat's completely nonsensical. Measuring the velocity of something from its own frame will always give you zero. It's junk data. Following this, the cube would stop every time it passes through a portal, even in normal scenarios. That's clearly not what happens in game. You also didn't even try to explain the physical interactions that cause this rule to happen.>neither do portalsExcept portals follow clear, consistent rules (rules that point to B btw). They break some of our laws of physics but that doesn't mean that all of our laws are inapplicable in the portal universe, only the laws that they break.
>>729067840>the game says whatever momentum you keep you retain>entire world has momentum relative to portal cause unlike the game portal is moving>therefore cube, as part of that world, retains momentum
>>729068071Is it possible to recreate the experiment in the games engine? Im really curious what the actual answer is
>>729067857Yeah B has the object gaining momentum on entering the portal, and A has the object losing momentum on leaving it. I feel like B is more natural simply because you can just chalk it up to funky portal stuff.
>>729042287these threads are dumb because this is not possible so any mathematical justufucation is wrong.Black Hole
>>729067780Thats exactly the crux: does relativity of movement apply or is momentum locked to the object until it has fully left the portal?Because in your case, if you move the portal really fast over the objects head but apruptly stop halfway in, the object would be sucked into the portal by the new momentum on the other sideI guess as long as relativity of movement with portals isnt defined by valve we wont get an answer
>>729067857>because there is no mechanism imparting any momentum on the cube If you'd actually read my post, you'd notice I touched on that. I'm feeling generous, so I'll spoonfeed you the exact relevant part. You're welcome. Pay attention this time.>>729066815>The speed is determined as the rate at which you pass through the portal, so a portal moving into a cube and a cube moving into a portal are identical scenarios.Also, you don't need to "impart momentum" onto something for it to move. Objects in motion will stay in motion UNLESS acted upon by an external force. The cube is moving so it will continue doing that. A is the one where some momentum is imparted on it to stop it.>unless we suspend all disbelief completely and assume that portals violate all laws of physicsThen and only then would A make sense. A relies on some absolute coordinate system as a reference point for movement which we know doesn't exist.
>>729067857Oh and I forgot. You didn't even provide a rule that attempts to explain how the portals work, not to mention actually explaining what causes that rule. You just went>buh buh its not moving tho
>>729068253>Because in your case, if you move the portal really fast over the objects head but apruptly stop halfway in, the object would be sucked into the portal by the new momentum on the other sideCorrect. The parts that are moving will pull on the parts that aren't. In practice, it will fly out at a percentage of the original velocity that is equal to the percentage of the mass that passed through. I don't see how this in any way disproves B.
>10+ years of this shitThe scenario is not possible. Portals must move the exact same way relative to each other, so that from inside their system they are both 'still'. When portals are 'still', they are only still because both move according to the wall they are attached to which are 'still' relative to each other because they move with Earth.You cannot have two portals that are not 'still' in their reference system.
I was a sure A until I thought about gasses. Now im not so sure. Would the air around the moving portal be moved around as usual by the moving platform as the pressure between the two portals is equal, creating an effect as if there was no portal at all? (A)Or would the air go through the moving portal and shoot out of the stationary portal with the initial velocity of the moving platform? (B)I think A makes sense here still, but B seems more plausible as reality.
>>729068160Not really, since due to engine limitations stationary objects can't pass through portals. The portal just stops and it functions like if you slammed a flat wall on the cube.Though we do see with portal flings and the moon scene that the canon answer is B.
Couldn't we use how the game calculates our momentum in the code to figure out how it might be imparted when being hit a moving portal? I remember watching this video where a guy recorded himself getting smashed between two portals and it left him suspended in a seemingly infinite void of orange, blue and infinite Chels in all directions, so seemingly the portals do act on you to some extent if they keep you suspended when you're stuck in two of them
portals cannot move along their normals.Anyway nobody genuinely believes in A, it's just to get attention by acting retarded like flat-earthers do
>>729047413this was drawn by a man
>>729068504>Portals must move the exact same way relative to each other, so that from inside their system they are both 'still'.Disproven by the neurotoxin generator, moon scene, and every single time you place a portal since due to seismic activity and heat (atoms moving) nothing is ever still.
The best way I can imagine a "real life" portal moving experiment would be like this: think of a train car or something with a window at the front. It's going at a constant speed, so there's no acceleration or change in momentum inside the car. When you're inside it while it's moving, you and the inside of the car are not moving relative to the car. Theres a big spike floating suspended in the air in the car's path. When the spike enters the window, does it keep going and impale you, or does it fall to the floor immediately?
>>729050787is this loss
>>729046814But if it stops instantly (ignore any damage this would cause to the truck) after you pass through the door, you wouldn't accelerate to fly forward.
>>729068626>portals cannot move along their normalsSee >>729068693
>>729044360>my internally developed controlled environment is PROOF GUIZ>commits samefaggotry
Another fun thread of discussing theoretical physics with people who have theoretical degrees in physics.I'll see you all next time.
>>729068538you have it figured out, just follow it all the way. The cube exiting is impacting air molecules, e.g., applying some kind of force / energy to them for them to be displaced. Imagine not just air, but something solid like a domino. How can you get from the "the cube has no momentum" to "the cube is able to knockdown a domino". Realize that starting at the premise of "where does the energy to move the cube come from" is fundamentally flawed, since it should be pretty apparent from this line of thinking that the cube exiting must have some kind of momentum behind it.
>>729068693Anon I don't know how to tell you, but 'Portal' and 'Portal 2' are games which abstact reality for entertainment purposes and do not reflect real physics... The game engine quite obviously treats everything as moving to the same relative velocity, and the moon is a narrative ploy.
>>729068820Would Fantastic be a Afag or Bfag?
>>729062142Monty Hall problem is a resource problem masquerading as a math problem.It inherently assumes the content of the doors cannot be swapped until revealed, without this assumption both doors have 1/2 chance of being the right choice.
>>729068878NTA but damn, been an A fag for years but this changed my opinion.
>>729068881Correct. This is a hypothetical discussion about how the portals from the games would work if they were real. We can assume that the same laws of physics we have apply to the portal universe with the exception of the laws portals break. This means that heat movement, seismic activity, motion being relative and the moon orbiting the earth all apply.
>>729066815>still no response from AfagsJesus. This is just pathetic.
>>729069086I'm sorry but if you apply the rules of physics to the portals, they would not work in the games either.
>>729069148The portals break some laws of physics. This doesn't mean we throw out everything. We attempt to find new laws that explain how the portals work to replace the ones they break and keep using the laws they dom't break.
>>729048334>"Force of energy"stopped reading there
>>729050787amazing, well done
>>729069271We quite literally cannot break this rule, you would basically break the fabric of reality and the foundations of space-time. It's not like we're saying "What if g=20", we're just breaking the fundamentals of kinematics and letting things dissipate into meaninglessness.
>>729053982This is you
>>729060049>instead of arguments, we just needed Ad-Hominems all along
>>729058595I think the guy wasn't stationary but snowboarding or some other retarded for of outdoor in-the-cold "sport". He went in head first, if you stop the webm you can see he's going through it like a projectile.
>>729069435Except they clearly don't do that in the game canon and their universe is more similar to ours than different. We can still reasonably apply our rules to the game in the discussion. Also, it's pretty funny how someone always shows up at the end of each thread after we're done thoroughly raping Afags and says>ok maybe it's not A but it's not B either because portals don't actually existas if that's some grand revelation. It's just cope because you don't want to admit it's B.
>>729066815>still nothingCome on. At least try. By refusing to engage with this question you're basically admitting defeat.
>>729057618>What happens to a thin sheet of paper when you lower it onto a stationary cube at high speedIt tears.>when the cube r-So a different scenario than what we're discussing?
>>729071442get rekt
