Which one i should choose? (as newcomer)
>>729062834both
>>729063060/thread
>>729062834emulate ace combat 04 with pcsx2, see if you like it, move on from there to 5->zero->7->project wingman->3(japanese version translated)
>>729063060fpbp stop trying to instigate a flame war OP you fag
>>729062834IL-2 and DCS/threadProject Wingman is a mediocre bargain bin ripoff of Ace Combat, only bother with it if you've already played the real thing and are desperate for more.
>>729063265Why 3 lastt. currently in the beginning of zero step on listIt's been a while since I played it though I was thinking of playing 3
>>729063364Sorry not a sperg who likes slopsims
>>729063385its the most "out there" and also the most interesting, chronologically it happens lastits a good cherry on top once you play through other gamesbut it is a ps1 game so its the most dated
Ace Combat 7 more arcade'yProject Wingman more War Thunder (realism) / Simulator type?
>>729063912No. AC and PW play exactly the same.
>>729063912PW was made by an AC fan for AC fans
>>729063912no PW is basically based on ace combat, its nearly 1:1 in how it plays
AC7s DLC missions and mods put it above PW, PW in general never goes beyond 'good for a fan game' and is so tryhard and that it's almost embarrasing
>>729062834I played both and liked Wingman better than AC7. Wingman however suffers from monotonous missions since its 90% ground destruction with plane fighting. Despite that the game offers much higher highs than AC7.I'd say Wingman is a dessert when you ate your fill of the main course (Ace Combat)
>>729063385Because Electrosphere is the best game in a series by a solid mile, so if you play it before any of the others you'll be massively disappointed by the rest.That guy's order is retarded anyway, you should play the PS2 trilogy first, then Electrosphere, and then you can pretty much ignore the rest because none of them are that good. Wingman is just an even more third rate AC6.
>200 missilesneither
>>729063512>>729064349Fair enoughThe reason I did want to play instead of zero was because it seemed interesting
>>729062834Get whichever is currently cheaper. This genre is very much a "love it or hate it" type of deal, you'll very quickly find out which one it is for you and then you'll either refund or go on to play ALL of them in the span of the next month or so.
>>729064349why dont you like 7 or project wingman?
>>729062834There aren't many of these games so you might as well try both if there's a sale
>>729064484I found 7 boring in terms of story, it's better than something like 6, but I wouldn't rate it against the PS2 trilogy, let alone Electrosphere. It's probably below X. Wingman had such boring missions and such a lame copy of 4's story that I dropped it like 5 missions in, it's very much an indie copycat that doesn't understand the arcade spectacle at the heart of the series.
PW is a good game but its pretty clear that the finer details are just a little off (justifiably because it was made by like 3 people and some free voice actors or some shit)Its a good game, and I think its better than the mainline AC7, but its not without problemsIt absolutely nails the feeling of an ace combat game partly due to Jose Pavli's OST being incredible. Play both, they're both very funhttps://youtu.be/8Spr4t9esNo?si=QR6Wua4mDJuXE-3l
>>729062834As a newcomer? Ace Combat. PW is a tribute game, you should get familiar with the inspiration first.
>>729064349>Because Electrosphere is the best game in a series by a solid mileI hate this meme.
>>729064729story-wise its undebatable
>>729062834Don't play this kiddy slopReal ace play DCS
>>729064645>understand the arcade spectacle at the heart of the series.How would you know, you quit 5 missions in. You missed out on Super Weapons, Nuclear War, massive air battles and a revenge plot.
>>729064748Story, music, level design, concept, the only argument against it is gameplay from kids too poor for a NeGcon.
>>729062834Honestly, despite the other posters having good suggestions, play 7 first. Then 4-5-Zero. Then whatever you want.
>>729063912lol no, wingman is the wackiest one with its aoa and casually slapping railguns on everything
Love ac/pw arcade approach but i wish they buff ground unit a bit more Recently played nuclear option and ground unit were way harder than any dogfight
>>729062834Ace Combat, Project Wingman was made by Australians who felt it neccesary to boycott israel and recognise palestine.
>>729064780Arcade spectacle isn't story development. It's flash, the game has to wow you early on with set pieces to maintain engagement, because they want you to credit feed. AC7, for its faults, still manages this with the first mission, while Wingman crashes and burns.
>>729064748Not an accomplishment.It's been translated long enough that I was hoping the posers would drop the "ohhhh this JP only game is totally the best on!!!" shit.
>>729064936Where do you think you are?
Maybe the announcement of AC8 will get the devs of PW off their fucking asses. They teased new aircraft like two years ago.
Ace combat 7 is just a worse 5(story focused with most missions being mediocre gimmicks) with a little bit less grinding. Play 5 on a emulator.Plus, the drones in 7 are just atrocious.Wingman is the superior game.The changes to the weapon system alone makes it better than 7.The only real flaw of wingman is the diversity of missions is nonexistent.But that ain't much a problem since the core of the gameplay is ace combat 2.0 done wonderfully.Special mention to wingman ost, blows the lukewarm ace combat 7 out of the water.
>>729064936I am too white to care about your desert schizo factions.
>>729064968i dont get your point, you're agreeing 3 has the best story?
>>729064956>Arcade spectacle isn't story developmentI agree completely, thats why I said you should have kept playing. Theres plenty arcade spectacle later.I guess I can understand why the first missions didnt wow anyone since they arguably kind of boring until the ball starts rolling with Mission 10/11.
>>729064956yeah the first few missions are pretty tame but you quit right when it started getting flashy. M6 introduces the rival and M7 is arguably one of the best missions of the game
>>729064797Bosses suck. Ai is useless or omnipotent because of how missiles work.Flight psychics are like controlling a sled in the sky. No buying planes.The branching path story is not designed well in terms of acessign new routes easily.Completely random ranking system.Story is just ghost in the shell fanfiction.I can go on.
>>729062834Neither
>>729065134Story in these games don't matter so I didn't pay attention to it.
>>729065326thats stupidyou're stupid
>>729065291>The branching path story is not designed well in terms of acessign new routes easily.It works fine, literally just save on a new slot after any branching mission. There are no secret branches you can hit without knowing about it, and then you just go back and reload the other save when you're done with this route.If you don't understand it's a multi-route game going in and save like you would in any other multi-route story, that's on you.
>>729064936>Ace Combat, Project Wingman was made by Australians who felt it neccesary to boycott israel and recognise palestine.PW it is lol
>>729065449>save like you would in any other multi-route storyRetard.
>>729063060this. it is like debates between mech games or space games. the population of gamers with similar interests is already so small it is retarded to think that the people who are interested are not your brothers. All that shit is a marketing scheme sheeps fall for. As for what makes games great. There is no superior winner because game companies for some ungodly reason love to remove features or fuck it up the next time.
>>729064936AC isn't exactly a pro-Israel option either
>>729065692there are a lot of coincidences with belkans
>>729065449>It works fineYeah, juggling a large amount of saves is really great. The game doesn't have 1 or 2 branching missions, but multiple ones. Even branching paths have other branching paths.It is not a small amount and the system is a clusterfuck.
>>729065904There are literally like 4 branch points. How is saving after every mission, and then moving one slot down after a branch, difficult to do? Maybe if you're a full rotator it could be an issue, but this isn't a game where full rotation is useful, because you never need to randomly go back one mission.
I wanted to buy AC7 but the lack of a native FOV slider makes the cockpit view look grotesque. Apparently Project Wingman has one though.
>>729065692>>729065745Belka is German retard bros.
>>729066001>He hasn't noticed most Jewish surnames are German in origin
>>729065314How well does it emulate?
>>729062834>Which one i should choose?Project Wingma->as newcomerAce Combat then
Does Ace Combat have AI pilot protags? Or it's basically like Armored Core? Human pilots
Wingman > AC7
>>729064349you can tell when someone is a retard when they're not only shit talking AC6 but comparing PW to it for some reason
>>729065260you know he'll never reply or actually play it right
>>729066213Ace Combat is mostly modern setting. Ace Combat 3 is near-future with transhumanist themes.
>>729065086>I am too [Cascadian] to care about your [Crystal Kingdom] factions
>>729066001>Rootless warmongering cosmopolitans who would rather nuke themselves and everyone else than let Osea run its own governmentThey're an amalgam>>729066213Just the one so farYou only find out at the end of Electrosphere, though
Q.
Can AC6 be emulated well or do I have to buy a physical copy?
>>729064936Wait really? Holy shit, based dev. I gotta play Project Wingman then.
>>729063060Fippy bippy
>>729065692Is Belka was Israel they would be the greatest ally of Osea and most of Osea's top politicians would have dual citizenship
>>729063912if you want something arcadey but simulator type, you get Nuclear Option
Project Wingman or Ace Combat . Which one has more jets?
>>729067848Anon that happened in AC5North Osea is still a thing, too>>729068235AC
>>729068235Ace Combat 7 with the DLC has more, albeit many are variants.Project Wingman was gonna get an aircraft expansion, but it's seemingly dead in the water.
>>729063364>Playing DCS in 2025 after the RAZBMA fiasco
Are protags mercenaries (like in Armored Core) ? Or part of army?
>>729068428Phoenix from AC1 and 2 and Cipher from ACZ are mercenaries, the rest are military (though guys like Trigger and Nemo get tossed around a bunch)
>>729068534Are there any future / prototype jets in Ace Combat? Not real life ones
>>729068616>Are there any future / prototype jets in Ace Combat?Multiple, and they're always comically broken. The Nosferatu being a prime example.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzYgOALgmCk
>>729062834Play both if you're a brown subhumanPlay DCS world if you're a white straight male
>>729068702I should have checked that video, of course I find the one Nosferatu vid where someone doesn't use the 16-cell vertical missile launchers.
>>729066158It was perfect for me after changing the two settings in the the game compatibility page. Full speed with no errors. Japanese only though so you need to be able to read it or use OCR and translators if you want to know what to do.
>>729068758>Germans>Straight
>>729068702>Multiple, and they're always comically broken.I assume they are endgame jets?
Didn't played PW but ace combat is a very woke franchise
>>729062834War Thunder
>>729062834honestly both
Do i need to learn War Thunder Jet type radar and keybinds to play properly?
>>729068947Grinding hell, no? But War Thunder looks fun for WW2 aircrafts
>>729068616Electrosphere is almost entirely fictional or "real life but upgraded" jets, ACX has plenty of similar planes, and just about every other AC game features a boss plane or some kind of superplaneFor me it's the ADFX-02, the sexiest plane>>729068758DCSfag sure ain't straight>>729068960Nah, AC games are designed for controllers (though you can fly stick or KB+M if you want)PW does have a control scheme option that plays a bit like War Thunder, IIRC
>>729069081>AC games are designed for controllersCan i play via keyboard / mouse?
>>729064854Prez is voiced by a man btw.
>>729069178Yeah, I did a whole run of AC7 with keyboard+mouse, but it was painful enough for my wrists that it motivated me to buy a PS4 controller so I'd recommend it if you can help it
>>729064854tfw you play PW on Aces and the second mission is so fucking ass with all the enemy jets being AoA capable advanced fighters and then for no reason the difficulty goes down again
>>729063364I remember playing the IL-2 sturmovik game that was on the PS3 and playing the pvp against those English guys on VC that played every single day.
>playing flight games with a controllerDo poorfags really? A good joystick is under 200 bucks
>>729064956This is just retarded, Wingman has one of the best first missions of any of the games with the island assault ending in a sudden massive explosion that sets up intrigue for later.
>>729069642the dev was talking about wanting to make an even more fucked up difficulty for superplanes.I wonder whether that is still happening or not
I actually backed Project Wingman on kickstarter, but I have yet to play it.I plan on getting Steam Frame, this time for real. Should I wait to play it in VR?
>>729071624It's fun in VR but insanely demanding thanks to anniversary edition's horrible clouds.
>>729071729I've got 9070XT, if that's a measure for anything.From what I see, it's possible to rollback to pre-DLC version in beta.
>>729071971Steam let's you rollback to any version of a game. You just have to know its version ID number with steamdb.
>>729070062desu, if you fly the Prototype plane the game is a breeze. actually it feels unnatural to fly it, because how fast and agile it is. I just wish the Spear wasn't such a brick
Il2 1946 :)
>>729068702>didn't post that one missile silo attack run webm>i didn't save it to post either
>>729065314dang, robotech battlecry bros we got mogged hard
Lore wise. Why you can use MiG-29A Fulcrum?
>>729062834dont choose, pirate both. they're both okay
B...Bb....BASED "Denuvo Anti-Tamper DRM was removed on October 19, 2021" https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Ace_Combat_7:_Skies_Unknown
>>729063364>play the game with literally over $2000 full of DLC, goyFuck off, faggot
>>729072881Is this your card?>>729073187Why wouldn't you be able to fly one? They've been around since at least the Skully Islands Insurrection/Belkan War (1995) and the first game
>>729073470>anon deliversthanks anon!
>>729073572No problem anon
>>729073470I think that maneuver would kill a person
>>729068702>they're always comically broken.X-02 are pretty fair desu
>>729073697Fortunately the ADF is designed primarily for drone piloting, and for any humans who can find all the parts of it strewn across Osea and Yuktobania (or just pay money for it)
you willl be playing both as there are almost no good games in this genre
>>729074015>sega gave up on Afterburnerworst timeline
>>729063485Didn’t ask.
>>729068702>>729068819yeah, the base game has one future plane (Wyvern) at the end of the unlock tree and some earlier planes get access to future weapons like railguns and lasers.most of the really crazy planes are in the dlc packs. they did a crossover with Top Gun for that new movie and Dark Star has the highest top speed of all planes and uses laser guns as a default instead of machine guns.the only problem with dlc planes is that they're unlocked from the start if you own them, its on you to hold back and not use them during your first playthrough.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ76Kr8Deho
>>729062834miss me with that zoomer slop
what do we think of AC8?
>>729075817Cautious optimismI just hope the coop is good, that's all I really want
>>729062834AC (especially 7) is more polished compared to PW.PW does away with mission timers which could be seen as better for beginners, but honestly could've benefited form them forcing more focused missions.
>>729076335I completed every PW mission, except the last one first try, but I keep failing at AC7's missions.
>>729062834I choose Nuclear Optionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaYZ3w7RpdE
>>729076432Which ones specifically?
>>729077261It took me at least 15 tries to do the oil truck mission.No idea what they were thinking with that one.
>>729063060this, no reason to ignore either
>>729064748It's a game brochacho
Going through the mainline games in release order in preparation for AC8, am I missing something with picrelated? or do I have to get every ending to piece the story together? Not that I mind cause the games fun but still. So far I've done the upeo and general endings.
>>729078251>am I missing something with picrelated?You are playing the Japanese version, right?>or do I have to get every ending to piece the story together?Yes.
>>729078251Yes, every ending is important and you get a final ending after getting all of them.
>>729078452>>729078507Playing the load word team patch yeah, also do I save over the same slot every time or do I use different ones?
>>729062834I would say project wingmanHOWEVERThere are a few bugs in the game that haven't been patched. I'm not sure if it's only on the hardest difficulty setting but the last boss can't be shot down, like when his healthbar reaches 0 he still keeps spamming attacks and when it should only take 1 more hit to finish him off you can empty all your missiles and cannons into him for 5 minutes straight and he still keeps flying.
>>729078590It doesn't matter, the global check is different. Obviously if you're doing something dumb like using save states you're going to not get proper completion, easiest thing to do is save on a different slot after every branch mission.
>>729078659the only bug that I ever saw was wrong subtitles
>>729078676oh sick, that's what I've been doing. thanks anon
>>729076735>Licensing shit is getting so bad that we're having to MGSV franken-gun fucking aircraft now
>>729063060Fpbp
>>729079846Just go full slav if you don't want to pay for licensing
>>729068414Update me on the DCS lore.The last fuckup i've heard was the HAWK getting canned
Blazing Angels doesn't get enough love
>>729062834These are literally the only two fighter jet games I've played. I've played them like 4-5 years ago already, so I might be misremembering, but I recall liking them both, thinking that overall PW was a bit better, but AC7 had some cool environment usage in missions, which kept them more varied.
>>729082113You know what doesn't get enough love? Crimson fucking Skies and i will forever seethe about it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A8eiA1jhXc
>>729082113I actually love Blazing Angels and hope to see a remasted of both the games. Being able to bullseye planes from a Spitfire with the cheats on was so sublime in that one.
>>729082113>that mission where your wings is damaged and you have to land to get it fixedIs it just me or the plane become basically uncontrollable unless you fly it in a corkscrew? Is it some bug on my copy or some difficulty setting? Because I just see everyone playing it normally and for some fucking reason I had to master corkscrew landing, one of the most awesome things I've ever seen and did, and apparently it's not a thing for all of the people who played it?HELP ME WINGMAN, I'M GOING INSANE
>>729082113main menu music was good and that's it
LORE wise. Are they real life jets? Or upgraded / future tech versions of jets?
>>729073470With engines that powerful, the Falken might as well be classed as a spacecraft.
>>729073697>I think that maneuver would kill a personhow?
>>729073858It still turns on a dime, and the S variant in 7 gets an insta-delete button in the form of its railgun.
>>729086772Railgun is manually aimed and does have slight travel time at extreme distances, it still was hilarious to snipe retards from spawn in multiplayer though.
>>729068947i'd rather die than return to that grind hell
>>729086972The hitbox gets pretty fucking retarded with level 2 upgrades, it's kinda cancer to fight.But then so is any BVR build, or SASM hit-and-runner, or NASCAR-mode QAAM spam, so it kinda evens out.
AC7 has a checkpoint system which is a blessing when learning. You could waste 20min on a mission in PW because you shot down a dude a little bit too close and crashed into the debris.
>>729073327>denuvo removed on 2021>still getting 1 million sales every yearNo seriously, how did they do it?This game alone already have 6 million total sales count.
>>729088123Make good gameRemove DRM at some pointProfit
https://www.cnet.com/tech/gaming/ace-combat-8-will-incorporate-dogfighting-tips-from-real-jet-pilots/>no more drones
>>729068358>North OseaThat's an East/West German situation you fucking retard.
>>729089063ace combat players have been in more dogfights than any modern pilot
>>729062834Ace Combat. Project Wingman is abandoned trash that never delivered the content the game was supposed to have.
i wish someone hacked AC3US controls into AC3JP
>>729062834Nuclear Option is better than both
>>729091238Real pilots still train for dogfights.
Wingman's Conquest mode is just too good for replayability.
>>729092601It's buggy as hell.
>>729092140Which would never happen.
Any hopes for Ace Combat 8?
>>729092601>Wingman's Conquest modeWait, is that something that came with a later update? I don't recall anything like that, but it sounds fun.
>>729065314I loved Macross Ace Frontier on PSP. Can't believe I missed there was a ps3 game.
I would describe my experience with Project Wingman as mostly negative
>>729062834The PC port for Project Wingman is not dogshit, that's a major difference.
>>729062834nuclear option
>>729094747What's wrong with AC7's?
>>729094419>it sounds fun.It's a roguelite mode where you conquer Cascadia.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8CQZe9xnHgIt gets really wacky after a few missions and the reward for completing it is literally nothing.At least having Airship allies follow you around is neat.
>>729094201That the story doesn't turn out as gay and retarded as 5 or 7
>>729062834I like both for different reasonsI think you appreciate (or hate, it's up to you) Project Wingman more after you have played a few ACsWith that in mind, start with AC7 since it's extremely cheap now, then emulate the Trinity (Ac4, ac5 and AcZero) and finish with project wingman That's what I did and I really enjoyed the experience
>>729093409As stealth becomes more common future planes fighting could end up evading each others long-range missiles and come to a dogfight if both sides can't back down and retreat from the frontline.
>>729062834Whichever one has less brown people in it, basically not AC8 LMAO
>>729062834
>>729086484>goes into 20gs instantly almost defying gravitya tiny vein in your brain would go pop
>>729062834The VA for Captain Woodward is a fat retarded voreaphile who is cripplingly narcissistic. I just think that's funny.
>>729092601>POV: You won Conquest Mode after dying several times
>>729095023I like 5's story
>>729094201Setting up Ace Combat 9: Ace Combat 3^2
>>729095310Having fun is all that matters
>>729095523The cutscene, mission and wingmen dialogue just gets too grating for me after one playthrough, I do admit it had a certain wow factor when I played It for the first time.
>>729096017This nigga won't survive Ace Combat 6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9zFcmU7Yxk
>>7290966856 is good thoughbeit, cutscenes are another thing but can be easily ignored
>>729096685>DANCING WITH THE ANGELS
>>729094201wingmen or AWACS have an actual presence instead of forgettable background noise like in 7a satisfying tunnel run that doesnt end with a drone lazily flying around in a circle
>>729081878ED refused to pay Razbam because Nick Jew decided he needed to launder more money for his fighter collection. Razbam left and now people who loved planes like the harrier, M2000C, and strike eagle are in limbo while their modules will slowly drift into being unusable as the errors grow each patch. This also has rightfully shaken consumer confidence since any of your modules can just disappear at any given time (in spite of EDs previous lies of making devs give them the source code now. Which as we’ve found out, don’t).
>>729097137It's impressive how ED cannot stop fucking up.
>>729094201More sex.
I wish the maps in 7 were more like 66's missions are so big it's like 3 standard missions in one in some cases
>>729062834Ace Combat is more polished and has overall higher production value but I liked project Wingman more because it had less annoying bs crammed into it compared to AC7
>>729075817Ace Combat is a lot like EDF to me, even if it stumbles over its own balls as long as it’s just more of what made the series work I don’t mind
>>729097286They are making the maps bigger in 8, and it looks like multiple weapons are finally being introduced so I think we might be getting big missions again.
>>729097286yeah, and in most cases you're only expected to complete 2 of the 'fronts' which gave the game replayability or alternatively gave you a reason to use different planes for different packs of enemiesThe squad bombardment shit was OP as fuck though and less interesting than super weapons.
>>729064390>i want 2 minute stages or to have to land and resupply 20 timesRealism is boring
>>729098836Also don't forget the missile ranges of kilometers to the point dogfighting is not necessary
How would you rate Ace Combat 7's PC version?
>>729062834Ace Combat. Also this is the least subtle Project Wingman shill thread. Can you let your game stand on its own instead of trying to ride Ace Combat's coat tails?
Whichever one you pick you'll eventually run out of content and have the play the other one to get your fix.
>>729099675Works like it should/10
>>729065745>Lt.Col>1947Someone at Aces is a spook
>>729099675Graphics are about the same as the console version and it runs fine, really just depends if you want higher resolutions/framerates.
>>729099675Would run on a toaster, I got like 900 FPS
>however, after a period of slumber, razgris returnsaaaaaaaAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHCAN YOU TAKE IT ALL AWAY CAN YOU TAKE IT ALL AWAAHAAAYYWELL YOU SHOVED IT IN MY FAHACETHIS PAIN YOU GAVE TO MEHEE
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