by having games
It did what nintendon't
>turns up>beats everybody up >leaves >refuses to elaborate
Billions of dollars in the marketing budget
By not using dogshit game carts
>>729066467 n64 won the war in the end and you see eurosnoys constantly seething abount Americhad youtubers making romhacks and videos about their favorite Nintendo games 30+ years later. PS1 has absolutely 0 relevance in pop culture and little legacy to remember. 34 year old Latinx bong incels who have made console warring their hobby on image boards is all the fans it has left
>>729066503This. PS1 had good games.
Better graphics
nintendo was anti mature games at the time. Every new dev got an easy ride with sony. Sony then marketed the psx as the serious gaming platform with shooting games and racing games and realism movie game bullshitit wasn't so much sony winning as nintendo letting themselves lose, again
>>729066697But /v/ told me playing as a female character is for trannies?
>>729066697Made me kek. It's good to see that people in 1998 were saying the same things we say now.
It was cheapAffordability drives success
>>729066703>againActually N64 vs PSX is the first time Nintendo lost, lil zoom.
>>729066467Better games. Did the N64 ever get a single decent RPG? Hell the best fighting game was probably either KI Gold or MK Trilogy since everything else was just a deluge of Midway slop.
>>729066749Nintendo didn't lose thoughThey were able to charge 60 dollars for first party games that held that value during the entire generation
>>729066467Exposing myself as unc here but I was 5 years old when PS1 launched in my country and I remember it being the "cool" console to own. Every advert was edited like an edgy music video.
Good price, better 3D than it's competitors at release, and (eventually) a massive library.
>>729066749they lost in gen 2 as well, sonic left a bigger legacy than any NEW ninendo franchises that came out on the snes
>>729066796Even Final Fantasy ditched Nintendo for the PlayStation 1. Especially brutal when FF7 went on to be the most iconic and well recieved game on it's history.
>>729066716/Pol/niggers that happrn to be on /v/ aren't /v/
RIDGE RACER
imagine not having owned both consoles back then
>>729066467It was a cheap CD Player for normalfags
PS1 A New HopePS2 The Empire Strikes Back
>>729066467Marketed as more cool and mature where sega and nintendo had kiddy first party mascots.All the kids that didnt game before got a psx, it was a normgroid box with strange, shitty wobbly graphics and cheap hardware.
>>729066807>They were able to charge 60 dollars for first party games that held that value during the entire generationAnd people complain about them charging $80 for Mario Kart World.
the wobbly vertices had soul
>better hardware>aimed at more mature audiences>superior mixture of game types>had a TON of exclusives>was a top tier CD player (genuinely loved by audiophiles)
>>729066467Giant corporations Sony came in with the money from TVs and shit and paid off 3rd parties to skip Nintendo and Sega.Funny how things turned aroundFamitsu December 8th-14th 2025Switch 2: 190 994PS5: 18 912
>>729066961Correct
>>729066467First: they allowed developers to do and develop whatever the fuck they wanted Second: developers got a proper devkit and a capable hardwareThird: developers and publishers had a fair share of the profits.Fourth: treated developers, publishers and players with respect Respect, freedom and independency. That is how Sony conquered the gaming environment.
>>729067006Microsoft came in and started doing the same shit by the 7th generation. after that both teamed up to shit on gamers, the ones buying their crap, and get worse with every generation. Now everyone left them for Nintendo and PC and both are collapsing with gaming. Can't wait for 10th generation to finally kill the PlayStation and Xbox. Time for Nintendo and PC to fully take back gaming. Nintendo and Valve will fix those American and Japanese third parties real good.
CDs and aggressively marketing to a young adult audience.
>>729067087Nintendo will inevitably have another fall from grace. They simply can't help themselves with greed.
>>729067025Basically this. Sony offered an environment away from Nintendo's monopolistic, controlling licensing policies that SEGA couldn't because they were too busy self-immolating.
>>729066467A console is only as good as its exclusive titlesEVERYONE abandoned Nintendo in favor of the Playstation. Konami, Capcom, Squaresoft, Enix, smaller studios, literally everyone. This is why the PS1 & PS2 won and why the PS3 onward suck.
Anyone else find it ironic that both Sony and Microsoft first came into console gaming flashing their stash of cash everywhere and still ended up losing the war to companies (Nintendo and Valve) that simply only cared about gaming instead of seeing it as an exploitable business?
>>729067217PS3 could've been another slam dunk if it wasn't so expensive.
>>729067184Nope, it's over, they won. That's like thinking Microsoft's shitty Xbox strategy of 10th gen will allow them to beat Valve and their Steam hardware. That's just a funny ass joke now.
HAHAHA he thinks Nintendo don't view their customer base as exploitable cattle. They sell you the same ports of old Zelda games every generation.
>>729067025They also didn't have a "only kiddieshit allowed" policy
>>729067025Let's not forget that the PS1 was also the easiest console to develop for, thanks to its dev friendly hardware.
>>729067286i think it's a chatbot or a really weird nintendo fanboy that thinks hiding behind a pc storfront somehow hit autistic console warring 24/7. faggot's on here all day spamming the same thing
>>729066467the system itself was cheaper than the other systems and it had way more games because third parties would rather work with sony because sony was less autistic, disks were easier and cheaper to print and the physical constraints of a disk vs a cart meant that the only real limitation the PS1 had over the n64 was a slower read speed. if you didn't need to dynamically load a bunch of shit in it was way easier to make a ps1 game
>>729067260Not with its shit tier library.
>>729067327>somehow hitsomehow justifies*oops
>>729066749Nintendo lost in Japan in 1988 and 1989 to the PC Engine. Then the Saturn won a year, it beat both the PS1 and the N64 in 1995. But after that it was PS1/PS2.
>>729067348There's still games worth playing on the PS3. LittleBigPlanet 1 & 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, Grand Theft Auto 4. More developers would have inevitably gone exclusive if the console wasn't so difficult to developer for
Stop saying psx. >inb4 Brazilian store fronts and forum posts
>>729067446Why can't I say psx huh? What's wrong with the word PSX? HUH? PSX
>>729067286Sony's been releasing the same remastered slop since the PS3, now Microsoft is doing the same stupid thing because "they're afraid to take risks". Both of these retards need to get out of gaming and take their fanbase with them.
>>729066467Idk but somethings really fishy about the early sony console sales.
>>729066467It's crazy because the PS2 won by an even bigger margin. I remember a time in my country when the PS2 was sold out everywhere.
Are there any good books or resources or ANYTHING that can provide a properly researched answer for this question?I don't want to rely on a bunch of fanboys providing distorted information.On a related note, are there good books on vidya? The ones I read are kinda mediocre.
>>729066605FFVII is the biggest game ever bro
>>729066848could you even fit ff7 on an n64 cart? isn't it multidisk?>>729066796pretty sure it just had paper mario and the pokemon stadium games if you considered those. which is weird because the gameboy had a bunch
Superior architecture, technology and lower price. Saturn was similar in tech but the architecture was terrible which made it hard to program for. N64 was just inferior hardware but made up for it with games that were actually fun.
>>729067446We called it the psx back then. You would know if you had been born .
>>729067524No need, Sony only won because the PS1 was a cheap CD player and the PS2 was a cheap DVD player, if the PlayStation was actually iconic, it would be remembered.
>>729066605it's actually crazy how they killed nearly every IP they owned and replaced it with dogshit like horizon and spiderman
>>729066467Video gaming was about to enter an era of growth. The people who were kids playing NES were adults. The kids who were playing SNES were becoming teenagers and wanted their (marginally) more mature sensibilities embraced by their media. However Nintendo was wary of moving beyond their family friendly image. Sony had no such compunctions and encouraged dark and grim and mature stories to be told on PlayStation.And so we got Final Fantasy showing Aeris getting stabbed on camera, Resident Evil with its rotting corpses and terror, Symphony of the Night with pixelated boobs, Tomb Raider with great big polygonal bazongas, Silent Hill with its fog of nightmares, Twisted Metal with bombs and mayhem, Metal Gear Solid with its political thriller.. so on and so forth.Look back to the N64 and see things still being cartoony. Mario, Donkey Kong, Pokemon, Banjo Kazooie. Even games like Turok were not dark or macabre, though it still sold well because it was the few vaguely-more-mature options on the N64.tl;dr PlayStation delivered supply to a starving market. That is always a win.
>>729066467>Cheaper games because discs>Better storage because discs>Better textures because N64's 4KB texture cacheThe PS1 is a like a case study on the importance of textures. You can throw all the raw processing power you can at a game, but it can still be mogged by technically simpler game that has good textures.
>>729067286They actually buy Zelda and Mario ports for $70 everytime.
>>729066467It was the coolest thing on the market.I mean just listen to this shit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0WJXnDkwn0
>>729066467Nintendo was jewing their game producers to the cost of $30 per cart.Sony was taking far less because they were already patent trolling the entire cd format to begin with.N64 was a complete generational leap while playstation was just continued status quo.
>>729067524yeah because there is no way a book can be written by a biased fanboy right?fucking retard
>>729067585Companies like Sony and Microsoft couldn't give a single shit about gaming, if it doesn't make them money, it's getting the axe.
And Sega was an arcade game manufacturer, their consoles were for ports. By this time arcades were long dead and only a few shit overpriced games existed at movie theaters.
>>729067218Valve doesn't see it as an exploitable business? Seriously? Valve?
>>729067614They're trying to do the same thing now with Switch 2 cards. I know people are PISSED about the game cards not having the whole game on them but it's Nintendo's fault for making them so expensive for developers.
>>729067552given the final fantasy demo for the n64, it was probably intended for some kind of anticipated cd-64. With the deal between sony and nintendo for a cd adapter for the SNES falling through and nintendo stubbornly deciding to stick with carts for future console, they lost FFVII to sony.
>>729067626That's why I wrote "properly researched", you assmuncher.
>>729067592dreamcast looks the best there thoughever.
>>729067524>service as a games
>>729067650Valve and Nintendo are doing something right if they have fans. Why are the only retards that like PlayStation or Xbox, brand shills? These faggots can't even tell you what games they like because it has to be or have been "popular".
Sony was genuinely passionate about gaming in the 5th and 6th gen in a way that none of their competitors were. The focus was on making development as easy as possible for developers and keeping the price as low as possible for gamers. They also pushed the technology of the time forward while everyone else was using inferior game carts.
>>729066796>Did the N64 ever get a single decent RPG?Paper mario
>>729067638>if it doesn't make them money, it's getting the axe.Microsoft lost $4b ($7b adjusted for inflatio with the original Xbox and they still refused to stop their denegerate practicesOld Sony PS2 at huge loss at the startNintendo got away by scamming little kids with their portable handhelds
>>729067557Nobody called it that in the first world (Japan, USA).
>great library that came from working with developers big and small>cheap, so most people who wanted one eventually got it>captured the casual consumer the way the nes did>competition shit themselves for different stupid reasons>had the full force of sony behind it, with a belly full of spite directed at nintendoLooking back, it would have been stranger if it wasn't a massive success.
>>729067701you're a faggot source: multiple peer-reviewed studies, don't question them
>>729067761This. Nintendo has always been a "profits before customers" company. That's why they play so safe with non stop mario sequels instead of being innovative amd creating something new.
>>729067761That was their way of getting in, it was the same stupid strategy Microsoft used, after that, they would take over everything and turn it into shit if they removed all competition.
>>729067714>Console looks better than consoles from previous generationDamn, you're right!
More games and piracy DUH
>>729067828>being passionate about gaming is stupid>just milk your customers dry like nintendo instead Gross.
>>729067817When was the last time Sony created something innovative and new that wasn't the Last of Us space edition?
Every developer worth a damn became exclusive to the PlayStation and a LOT of them made their greatest hits in this period. Good games became synonymous with owning a PS1.
>>729067849it looks better than PC
>>729067686I wish FF6 got a 3D remake like 4 did.
>>729067860Sony has no passion for gaming, what you remember is third parties bringing that passion. If Nintendo weren't actually passionate, they wouldn't have made such incredible video games. Sony's first-party developers were passionate, back then, but Sony themselves, nah.
>>729067828That's just how shareholding works. The goal isn't to make great products. You get a consumer base through great products, then you extract as much profit from that consumer base as you can. This is capitalism at its finest.
Why do people think the Sony making decisions in 1995 is the same Sony making decisions in 2025? Same for Nintendo.
>>729067513PS2's success wasn't because of the games, but because it was a BR player.
>>729067990retard
>>729067924Almost like PC got a port of the PS1 version or something.
>>729067914>FF7>Crash Bandicoot>Spyro>Tomb Raider>Ridge Racer>Gran Turismo>Grand Theft Auto>Metal Gear SolidFUCKKKKKK I'm gonna buy a PS1 from Ebay RIGHT NOW
>>729067990Blurays weren't a thing back then anon, we used something called a DVD
>>729067957Nintendo and Valve seem to be the only ones that know how to do it right, despite Valve being private. You're not supposed to show that you don't give a shit, that's the part you're supposed to hide. Sony and Microsoft failed that lesson it seems.
>>729067990Is that why the ps2 had the highest software ration to its console too
>>729068020why didn't they port the DC version then?
>>729067990
>>729067956Nintendo only make ports of 30 year old games
>>729067958Fanboyism and thinking of companies as persons.
>>729067990You mean DVD Player, anon
>>729067552FF7 is 2400 MB some of which is redundant due to needing the same information on 3 discs.N64 carts were in 8MB increments with the largest I see being 40MB for Ogre Battle 64. The prestige end of sytem life titles like Donkey Kong and Jet Force Gemini were 32MB.
>>729068051Uhm... you weren't meant to say that...
>>729068079When they do make new games, they're very fun experiences even when they're bad.
>>729068140Such as?
>>729068051People bought games accidentally because they thought they were movies
>>729066605I don't know about n64, but nintendo sure did. Playstation brand is a lot more volatile, and they did play their cards right during ps1 and ps2 days. But they never valued the videogames themselves as something essential to build the brand, so they ended up giving them for granted in the long run.Nintendo was a lot more careful than SEGA or SONY about how the consumer perceived their products and how their studios could face the passage of time and trends. So, to this day, N64 is kept alive by the nintendo brand as a part of a continuum, and the players continuosly compare current games with the ones in this or that system, making them feel alive yet.For sony, the less is talked about the ps1 or ps2 the better.
>>729067740Valve literally abandoned making games to make software, most their money comes from roundabout gambling, and every valve "fan" already has a foot in the grave.
>>729068158>people got tricked 1.5+ billion times into buying ps2 games thinking they were DVDsDamn you snoy
Because it's a SONY!
>>729068123>2400 mbhow much of that was redundant data being reused between discs for the same engine/maps/textures etc? How much of that was FMV cinematics?
>>729067849>>729068020why are Snoys always sarcastic assholes?
>>729067805>great librarynah
>>729066605i loved my N64 and Playstation, but Playstation having Final Fantasy 7 alone the greatest game of all time makes it the greatest console of all time.>>729066467People reconciled that it was a CD player as well. CD players were fucking massive in the 90s, people would spend thousands and thousands on CDs and have stacks of hundreds of them next to their TVs in their living room and hundreds of them in their cars in massive binders. Most home entertainment center CD players were seen as a status item, you had to have one in the 90s.When Playstation 2 came out it was pushed as also being a DVD player which followed the same exact ideology for homes as CD players.if the Playstation couldn't play CDs or the Playstation 2 couldn't play DVDs they wouldn't have sold as good as they did among the other great moves made in marketing and acquisitions.
>>729067957Extracting money from people by giving them a constant stream of products they actually want is pretty good in my book.
>>729068156Too many to name. Too tired and sleepy
>>729067817remember labo?
>>729068030>Ridge RacerBOW TO FROGGERGODS
>>729066467The N64 and Gamecube were garbage consoles with shitty games. If they weren't they would have sold more.
>>7290678952023
>>729066467Sega completely fumbled the Saturn launch and Sony took their entire audience.the third party support was also completely on Sony's side. If you wanted Nintendo or Rare games you needed a Nintendo 64 but if you wanted to play anything else, you needed a Playstation.
>>729068182Deadlock and Half-Life 3 are coming, baby
>>729068213Why not? Arguably peak Square, the birth of survival horror, Wipeout, Klonoa, Ace Combat 3, Crash Team Racing.. PS1 has a trove of great games.
>>729067686Nintendo was right about load time being more important and Sony's game size bloat lead to movie games.Now they are just both the worst of all possible outcomes.
>>729068030None of this shit has any sort of identity outside of metal gear.
>>729066494/Thread
>>729067817>Nintendo has always been a "profits before customers" company. That's why they play so safe with non stop mario sequels instead of being innovative amd creating something new.Can you blame them? They only started to recover when they followed that philosophy.
>>729067513PS2 was sold out everywhere. They were going for resell by scalpers for 400 dollars each here in Southern California.
>>729068285You mean that Mario ripoff?
>>729067990>BR playerhuehuehue
>>729066467marketing
>>729066467Honestly N64 just released way too late, and PS1 with its cheaper price tag and massive marketing campaign had no trouble competing with Sega's Saturn. By the time N64 was out, PS1 had already solidified its lead and the games just kept getting better on it.
>>729068051>its all licensed shit an gtalol
>>729066605Rayman and Tomb Raider weren't even originally on the PS1
Aren't Playstation consoles really easy to run pirated games on?
>>729066605Several PS1 games received remakes. That's how you judge a console influnce and legacy.Their games are so good that they deserve a remake.Meanwhile, the N64 is left in the dust while its players have to the same game repeatedly and having to cope with romhacks to try to scrap something from an already shallow and generic N64 game.
>>729068310k.
How many videogame companies that heavily supported ps1 and ps2 went under or experienced a major downturn not long after?
>>729068441Not him, but when you're remaking games, it means you have no games on your platform. Remakes exist to fill a void because you're either afraid to take risks or you need to make a quick cheap buck on nostalgia.
also the closest thing to "indie" games that weren't shareware pc stuff were on the playstation, because the barrier to entry for devs was so extremely low. Do you think a weird art project like LSD Dream Emulator would have ever come out on the Nintendo 64?
>>729067849You're saying that like it's obvious when console shells have been on a downward slope since PS3.
>>729068320Nobody even plays these games today they're so bad they need to be remade just so modern audiences can interface with them. (Of the ones still around no one knows what klonoa, wipeout or crash are anymore.) Meanwhile zoomers are perfecting mario 64 and oot, doing romhacks for each that build off the original gameplay.
>>729068530Many, it's strange that the same shit happened out here when companies were heavily supporting the Xbox and 360. What's left on both sides became AAA or almost died.
>>729068247Then work for a private company, kiddo. The shareholders want the number to go up.
>>729066605This image makes me very very very sad.
>>729068438The first batch of playstations literally only needed a spring for you to run pirated games on.
>>729068535or remakes mean you've already created a perfect game and there's no reason to make new stuff, just keep it updated
>>729068576I've been a PCfag since 2012
>>729068343Do you mean profits before customers or endless mario sequels? Because I can telly you I was there for wii u and 3ds and mario was not making a splash at all. Neither on iphone. It was really just a hardware thing once the market was ready for a non phone gaming device mario games stared selling again.
>>729068639Then stop making video games then if you're going to be stuck in the past.
>>729068246That wasn't a 'great marketing move' Sony is the patent troll that was putting out all those formats every 15 years when the previous format would become public. With digital distribution Sony now has no reason to continue in games. At no point did Sony make games.
>>729066467That must have sucked, being stuck with a console when games were being revolutionized on the PC.
>>729068347>mario invented fun
>>729068374By May 1996 (right before N64 Japan launch) PS1 and Saturn were neck and neck in worldwide sales, having both sold around 5M units. It's amazing how hard Sega fumbled that generation considering they only ended up selling 9 million units in the end.
>>729068570Osamu could've released LSD on N64 or Saturn. He had the connections. He chose PS1, because the competition was unironically too gamey.
>>729068441its the exact opposite
>>729068696It's literally a generic Mario ripoff with franchises Sony put and a grave and only dug them up for that piece of shit.
>>729066467You aren't allowed to post that image here on NintendoGAF
>>729068587>Nobody even plays these games todayI dunno about you but FFVII, FFIX, FF Tactics, Xenogears, Vagrant Story, Symphony of the Night, Metal Gear Solid, Spyro, and Grandia are all games that are still played and suggested to be played in their original formats even in the modern day.Also Chrono Cross, but I'll acknowledge that its popularity is largely a holdover from people investigating everything related to Chrono Trigger, a perennial hall of famer.
>>729068530Square went under because they were ironically too successful and their expansion into the film market was a catastrophic failure.
>>729068590There is just no need for AA games. Think about it. If you have players really into gaming and their specific genre why would they not just buy an indie game that perfectly satisfies their microniche? Development is so cheap now an indie game can have just as good or satisfactory gameplay and features to a AA release just missing graphics (which is already tapering out) and content. Meanwhile normalcattle need to follow the biggest thing because they just want to be normal. So those games need to race to the biggest budget because winner takes all in a network effect.
>>729068873he means the franchise, only a few of those series have MODERN games worth playing today
>>729068704All they needed was the blue hog but they had to go full retard with the purple clown.
>>729068590So Playstation and Xbox were not sustainable or reliable platforms for game devs to rely on? I guess squaresoft counts since they almost went under in early 2000s and relied heavily on thr merger with Enix to survive. Wven companies like Namco who historically in thr 20th century didn't like supporting Nintendo flipped by GameCube era and now they're very close with Nintendo.
>>729068920That does not track with "Meanwhile zoomers are perfecting mario 64 and oot".
>>729068630>The first batch of playstations literally only needed a spring for you to run pirated games onSo a lot of third parties lost a lot of money in potential game revenue.
>>729068587>Nobody even plays these games today says who
>>729066605>Americhad youtubersLike Scott the Woz? lmao
>>729068873Symphony of the night sure, spyro no. Don't know exactly about all the jrpgs but they all get tons of ports anyway and most the difference probably don't matter outside of elitist snobs. FFVII literally got a remake because its so ass no one wants to go back and play it. A few people on the internet will tell you to do it but the reality is the average gamer has no interest.
>>729068331>no identityok tendie back to your bing bing wahoo
>>729069098Them getting ports way down the line so that modern audiences can get them without obsolete hardware doesn't make them no longer part of the PS1's library, man.Also FFVII's "remake" is a temporally displaced sequel, a lot of people were mad about it.
>>729068901They drank the FMV Kool aid. People can say shit about Nintendo but that company for some reason is one of the few in the industry that actually knows how to budget effectively. Probably the biggest reason why they persisted and now the top company in the industry.
>>729068920FFXVI is the best its ever been, and xenoblade while a slight downstep with 3 had the masterpiece of 2 with a new game on the horizon. I'm hype.
>>729066605multi-plat means the game sells more you fucking retard.it doesn't hurt the IP. the only people it hurts are mentally ill retards like you who have attached your personality to a shitty piece of hardware and seeth whenever something gets emulated or ported beyond said pile of shit hardware.You can't compare it it with "dead".Also how the fuck is Klonoa not dead?a horribly made chink demake that looks worse than the original game does not make an IP not-dead. it makes it super fucking dead.at least the crock remaster respected the original art direction and came with customization options.
>>729068873>Xenogears>playingI think you meant watching
>>729066494fpbp
>>729069150I'm not gonna get into the specifics if the FFVII remake because that turmoil was a matter of circumstance that was once in a lifetime. But the core matter is really that there are people who wanted a remake and desperately.
Reminder: psx is the father of gtahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_RqjPz_bMo&t=46s&pp=ygUMcHMxIGdyYXBoaWNz
>>729067807>nothing can ever be well researched because we all have biases at some levelwelcome to level 1 thinking retard-kun, you're not nearly as smart as you think you are nor are you pointing out some sort of interesting observation that hasn't already been thought about before
>>729068907There is no need for AAA games. AAA games are the main reason PlayStation and Xbox are dying and their own first party studios are collapsing. AAA is a complete waste of money and vs independent and AA. Normalfags are going to be dropping PlayStation and Xbox completely next gen because that shit will be unaffordable anyways.
>>729069194whats the difference to a snoy?
>>729069098>FFVII literally got a remake because its so ass no one wants to go back and play it.it got a remake for the same reason it got a movie
>>729069275AAA is the only thing that makes money. And it doesn't matter what platform they buy it on those same games will sell.
>>729069314and 48093840 spin-offsto milk the fanfic obsessed audienceinstead of building over the original most of this crap just shits over it, Square managed to slowly strangle its golden goose
>>729069172>multi-plat means the game sells more you fucking retardNot necessarily. Multiplatform is risky since it dilutes the brand somewhat and created a lot more competition with other multiplatform titles. Being an exclusive sometimes is beneficial since it can give you more preferable treatment to the company making the consoles which helps marketing. Would you rather be a big fish in a small pond or a fish swimming in a vast ocean full of unknowns.
>>729068807Kek
>>729068587uh huh
>>729069314Adventures children only existed to promote the psp as a movie player eith it's own weird proprietary disks.
Sony charged less fees for discs to developers. Pretty dramatically compared to what Nintendo demanded per cartridge. Sony was a big oem and made their own chips, that meant they could sell things cheaper than Sega who had to buy their components off the shelf.
>>729069393now separate out all the BAD games and compare againnobody cares about the notorious ps1 shovelware titles and nobody plays them, they might download but its just for completionism
>>729069393Now remove the slop. Seriously though you never hear anyone on /v/ or /vr/ talk about even 1% of all the total titles launched on ps1 ever.
>>729069481>d--d-d-doesnt count!!every time
>>729069393Both PS1 and N64 emulation were ass for a long time but last time I checked PS1 was leagues better while N64 is still janky.PSP and GBA emulation were almost perfect from the start. Amazing.
>>729069343No, they will not, Halo is about to die, Gears, will die, a majority of Sony's shitty movie games will die, all the live-service games will die, Xbox home consoles are dead, Xbox pc will be unaffordable, next PlayStation will be unaffordable, cancellations left and right, Sony and Microsoft no longer have any games, AAA have hit a wall on graphics, budgets are out of control. There won't be a AAA in the future and many companies will go out of business or lose so much money they'll decrease in size back to what they were. The PlayStation and Xbox franchises are dying, and they can no longer keep the ship afloat.
>>729069508it literally doesn't count
>>729069491>talk about even 1% of all the total titles launched on ps1 ever.but enough about the 64. piece of shit is literally nothing but a romhack machine kek>>729069481psx has 4000 good gamesn64 has less than a dozen games totalits that simple
>>729069481>>729069491>walks right past the high traffic good book shelves to peer at all the untouched stuff that's only there for archival's sake >damn this library has a lot of bad books, must be a bad library
>>729069509n64 emulation is good enough for the 5 or so games and their LGBT romhacks anyone remembers on the console to play well enough.
>>729068683>hurrrrr Sony didn't make a marketing move to have their video game system also be MARKETED as a CD playerFucking absolute retard.
>>729069568Terrible analogy. All those awful books take up most of the space making the majority of the library useless. Especially if in the real world it costs money to maintain all that space.
>>729069509>emulation were assMaybe if you were a fucking poorfag retard that couldn't into computer. Worked on my machines.
>>729066467It had quality AND quantity on its side.
>>729067023Underappreciated game
>>729069551>psx has 4000 good gamesName them. I'm sure you can name over 50 but you said it has 4000 so you must have intimate knowledge with all of them to know they're actually good rather than mediocre or bad.
>>729069764The quality hasn't held up over time. N64 library seems a lot more fondly remembered these days.
>>729069754the emulation was ass, not the performance of the emulation softwarea lot of things ran differently from the original version; emulation is almost never a 1:1 but PS1 games had egregious differences even if you fiddled with plug-insi'm talking about 2004~2006. it got so much better it's unrealmeanwhile even loved titles like goldeneye 007 and perfect dark, but I think one of these got decomp'd so it's a moot point now.
>>729069748Perfectly apt analogy. That the library has floors you do not want to go to is not a problem. It's a library, not a book store. The games aren't being sold anymore. Play what you want to play, even if it's only the greatest hits. Those still make it a good library.
>>729069808sorry pal 4chan has a 2000 character limityou know what they areyou don't need to play dumb with the marvelous psx librarynow run along. bigtranny90000 just made goat simulator in mario 64 2025 edition.
>>729067023>>729069787This is absolutely depressing to look at. Sony did Apr Escape dirty and series deserves to be in better hands.
>>729066467It's retarded what happened to them because they chased western moviegames trend and moved to california, they could've done this again
>>729067914>>729068030CD was a huge game changer as it allowed massively more storage for devs to work with even if it came at the expense disk loading which resulted in loading screens. People kinda forget but some ports to N64 were technical marvels considering cartridge limitations.
>>729069842Maybe. But N64 library worth mentioning was limited to about a dozen truly great titles.
>>729069863In this case the library can have more copies of the books that are popular to take out. So more people can experience them at any one time. Empty space can also be repurposed for other activities rather than being obligated shelf space for stuff no one likes or wants to check out.
>>729066467I'm amazed the 3DO managed to sell 2 million.
>>729066467the wobbly graphics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cz-V8CYEOE
>>729069980I am not sure this would count but super Nintendo had a lot of good games coming out during the N64 era. I think it's because of a weird policy Nintendo had with only 3D games for N64 so a lot of thr 2D ones remained on snes. N64 really could have benefitted from backwards compatibility.
>>729067779According to anti E33 fags, paper mario is actually souls parry slop you retard
>>729067554Saturn was sadly the real loser. By that point most people did not care for accurate arcade ports. Not to mention there's a decent number of games that never got localized in an already anemic library.
>>729070069Yes.
>>729066697I wonder how this guy felt when he saw the actual Conker's
>>729069481>now separate out all the BAD games and compare againthen n64 has about a dozen games left
>>729070069E33 copied paper mario and souls parry, yes
>>729069986Anon he was comparing the number of PS1 ISOs downloaded against N64 ROMs, it wasn't the total sum of ISOs and ROMs, it was a major discrepancy in how many people are playing them at all, or at least playing them in quantity.Unless you think people are downloading all these shitty PS1 games never to play them, they are not a meaningful factor.
>>729070173You think people don't just mass download the entire library rather than individually select them one at a time or in small batches?
>>729066467nintendo = nazis
>>729069887Name them up to the character limit then.
>>729066467games and piracy
>>729070232Yes. Overwhelmingly yes. There's some people who'd bother, of course. But bulk downloads are for generations 1~4, generations 5+ are simply too big filesize-wise. You have to go get a torrent.
>>729066605>muh exclusives>muh nostalgia Literally kill you're self.
>>729070232Yes? People download the game they want to play.
>>729069787Kino
>>729066697Good points.
>>729070232you tell me
>>729067025/thread
>>729070409 Thanks, anon. People forget that the N64 had potential but Nintendo kept kneecapping it with their weird policies. Imagine if they just let the damn thing have some solid 2D games or allowed more openness with third parties. Half the library feels like tech demos or mascot cash-ins compared to the SNES goldmine.
>>729067087Like clockwork.
>>729070535Not going with CDs was a killing blow either way. Their reputation with third parties was also already in the gutter at that point.
It was simply superior to everything else More gamesBetter hardwareBetter price
>>729070560I do wonder how far back that image goes since there's like several varients.
>>729066467piracy.
>>729070792pretty sure the one you posted is the original
>>729070416Aren't N64 games hard to emulate? I recall the gigaleaks was thr first time fand actually learned how to emulate some of the games properly since it contained source codes for several titles.
PS1 won by a landslide because the N64 was a massive fumble almost on par with the Wii U>Came out an entire year after the PS1>Used cartridges when it was clear discs were the future>Lost storyfocused games like FF and MGS to the playstation due to limited filesizes>To make matters worse, it had a weird architecture and was hard to make games for>NO GAEMS except Mario 64 for like an entire year, heavy hitters like OoT didn't come until 1998, but the damage was already doneNintendo was lucky the Sega Saturn was an even bigger failure
>>729069852There was perfectly fine emulators in 99 and 2000. You're just a fucking dork. Everyone i knew in Southern California was getting their consoles modded, dumping their saves and games to their computer to edit their saves or the game dumps and emulating shit on their computers. Cry on forums more about how "thing no work" for you.
>>729066467Sega and Nintendo games were $80 because of the use of cartridges and PS1 games were $50 because of discs. Also the PS1 got dozens of new games per month vs Sega and Nintendo only 2 or 3 games a month. It wasn't even close, there was no competition.
>>729071446So why did Gamecube fail even harder?
>>729071664PS2 was PS1 on steroids. It waffle stomped everything.
We gonna play the game, the PlayStation all dayWent from Metal Gear Solid to Tekken 3And from Omega Boost to Resident EvilJust play for the fun, 'cause we got it goin' onTekken 3, Metal Gear SolidResident Evil, Gran TurismoOmega Boost, Bloody RoarX-Files, all over the world, come onRidge Racer, OddworldWinning Eleven, the game on the PlayStationP-L-A-Y-S-T-A-T-I-O-NP-L-A-Y-S-T-A-T-I-O-NP-L-A-Y-S-T-A-T-I-O-NP-L-A-Y-S-T-A-T-I-O-N
>>729069518Yea sony and microsoft are shitting the bed doesn't mean AAA is dying. GTA will do fine, as will call of duty (which microsoft owns now actually) and new things sprung up like genshin and fortnite that will just take up the mantle.
>>729071725epic pwnage powered by gamefly
>>729067797yes, it was.
>>729071876E M O T I O N
>>729066605>ps1 users grew up and started families>n64 users became eternal manchilds
>>729071664People just weren't really into cubes at the time.
>>729066467easy to pirate and turned your tv into a cd player
>>729067914I'm suddenly reminded of that retard in an FF7 thread who said that the FF7 wasn't a big deal when it came out
>>729072036FF7 is underrated actually. A real hidden gem.
The playstation had a 75% price drop in PAL regions when the N64 came out.
>>729066467PS has literally always been the dirty poor console.
>>729066467You could easily chip it. If you were around back then instead of being a turd posting cock-goblin, you would knows this.
>>729066467Piracy.
>>729066605> Switch 2> Relevantlmao
>>729066467Because it was a dvd player that also played games.
>>729072267this, ps1 also had a time machine
>>729071391Nigga i was emulating N64 in 99.
>>729071835AAA is doomed and Sony and Microsoft were the ones holding it up. When PlayStation and Xbox fully falls, that's it.
>>729068587ctr has a strong modding community to this day
>>729071883stfu esl
>>729068441>Their games are so good that they deserve a remakeIt should be the exact opposite you fucking inbred. No good game needs a remake, while bad games would benefit from them the most.
>>729072667>it wascalled that, you bandwagoning zoomer.
Sony had the TV money from the 80s so just outmarketed everyone with commercialsIt’s still the only company that has 90% of ads
>>729072093shit that explains why we suddenly got one
>>729072036I remember seeing ads for FF7 on WWF and WCW. It was that big.
Wasn't ff7 one of the most returned games of all time?
>>729072902Sony had better retail connections tooIt was a lot easier for them to get shelf space for their console than it was for sega or nintendo, hell I remember back in the early nineties videogames were considered kids toys not consumer electronics and were only sold in toy stores or department stores that sold toys
>>729072358Was the emulation any good?
>>729071934I thought ps1 owners became trannies. Sony seems to be all about that lately.
>>729066697STILL TRUE , NINTENTROONS COPING
>>729071446>>Used cartridges when it was clear discs were the futureIronic since it is now cards are in and discs are obsolete
>hates jarpigs because "otaku bad">let Rare get bought off to some American jews computer company>the SNES CD/Hotel Mario incident>didn't lobby Sony to kick out Ken Kutaragi>proceed to buy Texan company who waste your budget that your pal Iwata lent them, because he love throwing parties.>Assured the company worships the man he assassinated's philosophy to stay cheap with hardware>flees Nintendo like a coward when Sony dominated twiceYamauchi wasn't a genius, he's just a bitter, senile hack.
>>729066467standardized pricing of 50 USD across all of it's games compared to carts from Nintendo which ranged from like 80 - 250 per game.CD based playback was very developer friendly as they didn't have to buy / manufacture expensive carts from Nintendo.Playstation and it's brand expanded the market significantly targeting people who weren't typical 'gamers'Started the whole 'multi-functionality' of consoles by also doubling as a CD-playerIt was new blood in the industry so their was genuine interest in what they could do.
>>729073372Nah, Playstation is the normalfag dudebro cod/not-fifa machine while Nintendo is for kids or people that want to groom them (trannies/gays)
>>729073616He was right about rpg fans though and is probably grinning a smug grin in thr afterlife. He won in the long term.
>>729071446I think nintendo's gamble was that kids and consumers would not be interested in waiting 10-15 seconds for cut scenes and games to load
>>729072036Probably a seething you know what
Nintendo going back on their deal with Sony is singlehandedly the worst decision a gaming company has ever made. It angered Sony so much that they curbstomped Nintendo for 2 whole generations before getting cocky and making PS3 $700.
>>729074228He was just seething because Square left Nintendo for Sony.
>>729066697trvke
>>729066563You mean millions Billionaires didn't exist back then
>>729066697Based Dorian
>>729066467Sega completely assfucked themselves in NA. The story is: 32X got released and then discontinued in a year, ruining brand loyalty. Saturn released early, only in select stores, pissing off half the retailers. Saturn also didn't tell its developers that they suddenly decided to release early, meaning the system had basically two games for half a year. Gamestop got huge, and as it was one of the stores that Sega decided to ignore with their early launch, Gamestop just never stocked the Saturn consoles. That fucked Sega hard.Nintendo is just retarded. They were overly draconian with their SNES licenses, and once PS1 came out as a competitor, companies were happy to jump ship. Cartridges were also prohibitively expensive and had production backlogs, since only Nintendo was doing cartridge manufacturing. When it costs $10 per game copy to make a cartridge game vs. 10¢ per game copy to make a CD game, it became a simple numbers game pushing publishers over to the PS1.As for the PS1, Sony was already familiar with console development thanks to Nintendo working with them and then screwing Sony over to work with Phillips on the CD-i. Sony, being a media/hardware company, just started developing a CD-based console while also working on developing CD technology to make the console. Their CDs were cheap to produce and they weren't overly restrictive on the production, which meant they could get them manufactured and provide them to developers for very cheap. Sony also had no clue how much profit a distributor should make off a console and so (accidentally) game distribution stores a larger profit margin for selling each PS1, which meant stores, like Gamestop, were big on promoting the console.Each one of those points probably has a 1+ hour Youtube documentary, if you really want to hear all the details. And around half these problems were local to NA, not affecting Japan or Europe, but NA was such a huge market that it affected the entire console generation.
>>729074470>Nintendo going back on their deal with Sony is singlehandedly the worst decision a gaming company has ever made.Actually nintendo made the right move since they'd get screwed with ho2 the contact worked. Nintendo tried working with Philips afterwards and even though the snes cd never happened Philips still got the rights to make a few games using Nintendo IPsAlso what the fuck is up with the dice captcha. How the hell are you supposed to solve this consistently?
>>729066605Nice bait, but unironically the N64 should have sunk Nintendo the way the Saturn and Dreamcast sunk Sega. The N64 was one of the worst consoles of all time. Expensive, weak, outdated system. The only killer games it had had was Mario and Zelda made by Nintendo itself. The only thing that saved the company from utter embarrassment and collapse was that they had a God-tier studio in Rare during its prime years shakled to the system, and the fact they had already won the handheld war by a mile.
>>729074470PS1 and PS2 is the console equivalent of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
>>729070361Good post
>>729066467Gaming was on the verge of becoming mainstream and both Nintendo and Sega decided this was the ideal time to start shooting themselves in the foot. Sega actually started sabotaging itself in the later half of the Genesis' lifespan, but the Saturn being horribly overpriced and launching with no games was the system's death sentence. Nintendo was in a pretty good position to dominate the market, but went full retarded by using cartridges and pissed off third-parties, who moved to the PS1 and made it the dominant console for that generation.In fact, Sony always seems to thrive not by their own merit, but thanks to the fact that the competition can't stop fucking itself up.
>>729074967So is ps5 the equivalent of mass migration to japan?
>>729075052Looking back how many of those companies are still doing well? Third party wise I can only think of capcom
>>729075052Taking advantage of an enemies weakness is a skill itself. All they have to do is wait for them to do something retarded then pounce.
>>729066467Sony paying whores and offering free dinner all year long to jap third party executives who didn't like yamauchi's game quality standards
I had far more fun with my N64.
>>729075060PS5 is a harbinger. Sony powers up every 2nd generation. E.g.>ps2 160m>ps4 120m>ps6 tbd
>>729067585>just milke the IPs for eternity goytendies are insane
>>729075418They don't realise how bad this is. Nintendo just makes the same shit again again again. Even the new Donkey Kong is just Donkey Kong Odyssey.
>>729066467SEGA stole a ton of sales from Nintendo which made them weaker in Europe/JapanMattel might have sabotaged them as well in EuropeThird party companies were already pissed at Nintendo because they were "forced" to make quality games for a couple of generations but their slop did lead to a complete crash in USA so there were legit reasons why slop couldn't be allowedSony adopted SEGA's edgy marketing which also worked better because they were the new kid on the block, SEGA basically became part of the establishment so their edgy anti-Nintendo marketing was already getting old at the time. Kids were growing up and wanted to play more mature games, they already existed but CDs/DVDs made them a lot cheaper to play>>729067025>treated developers, publishers and players with respectSony spent billions to get games on Playstation
>>729075418>>729075486As opposed to...do nothing but over-the-shoulder dramas and marvelslop?yeah I'd rather have those classic IPs back, thanks.
I want this Sony to come backhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOPViekdacQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9Ln-qyvX_I
>>729067025so, basically... the extreme opposite of what sony is doing with the ps5 nowadays
>>729076081I was thinking that too.
>>729068441>N64 LoZ games haven't been remade a 100x
>>729066605>youtubers making romhacks and videos about their favorite Nintendo games 30+ years laterI think it's sad those people have refused to touch other games for over 30 years because they're so defensive about having picked the worst 5th gen console.
>>729076678To be fair, a lot of PS1 games got value by packing tons of content in their games. Well, making systems that could provide a lot of content. It's a lot easier for some small indie studio to just make a low-scale 3D platformer or Resident Evil-style game. Trying to make something like Azure Dreams or Monster Rancher or Legend of Mana with little content is going to feel just empty.
>>729070127Even that's being generous
>>729066467sega was literally sabotaging itselfnintendo was being a turbo jew with 3rd party devs3do was expensive as fuck, i think $600-something back in the day. i actually knew a kid back in the day that had one. it was kinda shit toogod only knows what the fuck was up with atari. look at that controller, man. the hell is that?
>>729074470Sony was literally trying to screw Nintendo over in the deal. At that point what happened was actually the best possible outcome for both parties. Sony got kicked itself into gaming, and Nintendo didn't get cucked in a dishonest deal. Nintendo ended up on top by the end anyway
>>729066467Third parties got sick of Nintendo's cancerous business practices like overcharging for proprietary meme carts and arbitrarily limiting the number of copies third parties could print in order to hamstring the competition at retail. Sony let them do whatever they wanted so they all jumped ship at oncebtw Sega won gen 5 in Japan and the DC probably would have beaten the cube if it had a full life cycle
>>729077372More than any other fanbase on the internet, Segatrannies are the most insane and delusional freaks you will ever see.
>>729066467Industry sabotage. They tried a hostile takeover of Nintendo before Nintendo caught on to what was happening. They continued fucking the competition over for years.
>>729066467It was cheap, it had 3D graphics, it could play CDs which developers flocked to so there were tons of great games. It had fantastic ads too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mva_T3Vg6WE It was a truly wonderful time to be young and alive.
>>729077524So Sony was trying to use their industrial might and corporate connections to snuff out their competition?
PCfags are probably laughing at all of us right now. Probably would say PC is king any time.
Sony is gay and woke in 2026. Yeah Nintendo is greedy, I'll take greed over gay woke slop.
>>729066467From the thumbnail I thought the consoles were fish.
>>729066467PS1 is irredeemable uncslop
>>729077445Sega is a joke. At least they weren't a blight on the industry like Nintendo was
>>729067524just read the 1997 leak sega internal documenthttps://segaretro.org/File:SegaFY1997BrandReview_US.pdf
>>729077602Yep
>>729077708
>>729067260>PS3 could've been another slam dunk if it wasn't so expensive.This is something that only poor retards think. Back then, if you actually did the math, the PS3 was the best console hands down>built in wifi>blu ray player>free multiplayer over psn>built in rechargeable battery for controllers>more powerful cpuif you bought all the accessories for the xbox 360 to make it the equivalent of the ps3, the xbox would be more expensive.
>>729071664A FUCKING CUBE
>>729066467>>729066467Mostly spite. Sony only entered the console market in the fish place because Nintendo wanted help making a CD console. Then after contacts were signed and Sony announced the partnership, Nintendo later announced they were breaking the contract and going with someone cheaper to make another cartridge console instead.
>>729071664The cd's looked like chocolate chip cookies
>>729071835CoD is dying and GTA6 has been fully jeeted.
>>729078419Yeah, but it actually, and not in the meme way, had NO GAMES at launch.So if you bought it then you'd pay for an overpriced blu ray player.
Is Nintendo going to end up winning the console wars by default?
>>729078971They'll be the last man standing that has any exclusive relevance, might die eventually though
>macaco thread-8400 karma to Sony.
>>729068331LelAlso they aren't part of pop culture like my friggin Funkos.
>>729078419People want games and DVDs were still big. They had to drop the price and release cool games like Uncharted 2 and Valkyria Chronicles.
>>729066605>Americhad youtubers lol you mean literal troons?
>>729078971>>729079037Nintendo exited the console market a decade agoIt turns out it was the right idea because the concept of a console died and they retrenched to their incredibly successful handheld businessBestselling handhelds of all time (in order):>Nintendo Switch>Nintendo DS>Nintendo Game Boy>Nintendo Game Boy Advance>Sony PSP>Nintendo Game Boy Color>Nintendo 3DS>Sega Game Gear>Sony PS Vita>Valve Steam Deck>Nokia N-Gage>Atari Lynx>Sega Nomad
>>729078971>Is Nintendo going to end up winning the console wars by default?They won handhelds from the start, and home consoles have less pull since all TVs are smart now and kids ain't buying games no more. The only thing keeping them on top is that phones are still kinda shit for most games.
It had a CD Player and Final Fantasy.That's pretty much it.The unwashed Snoys in this thread are retarded.
>>729066697He's 100% right. Just check how many troons and faggots are tendies. Even the speedrun trannies are 90% tendies.
>>729079793I never played a Faggot Fantasy in my PS One.
>>729066467Price pointAny other answer is either wrong or a consequence of the price point
>>729079647>Nintendo exited the console market a decade agoAnon they've been outselling Playstation for like a decade now
>>729079647Console or handheld who cares? They'll still be the last one standing with any exclusives people care about. Not saying there won't be ips other than Nintendo ones that people care about, just that the platform they are played on wont matter
>>729066467Games. >N64 had very few games in comparison even if a decent amount were good to great>nobody gives a singular fuck about Saturn games that isn't super into to Japanese shit>PS1 had a ton of games with plenty of good ones
>>729079948By your logic they beat the PS1 in the '90s too
>>729079960Exclusives are a relic from the Sega/Nintendo console wars. Sony won so big with the PSX because they focused on building a huge library first. This is how Microsoft almost won with the Xbox 360, and why Steam is so big now.
>>729080148Microshaft won big with the 360 because the competition was either the Wii or actively killing itself live on camera.
>>729066697Truth nuke
>>729080229The Wii wasn't bad on principle, the problen is that it was two GameCubes stapled together so it couldn't play the latest hardcurr games.
>>729080148Stop playing schrodingers console war.Ooh Nintendo already gave up cause they are handheld!If there is a console war we are still discussing Nintendo is undoubtedly winning. Playstation and especially Xbox are on the verge of becoming irrelevant in that concept. They will soon be selling hardware that is essentially nothing more than a brand for a generic electronic that plays everything except Nintendo exclusives. Assuming they still sell hardware at all.
>>729080096PS1-PS2 profits got wiped by PS3 so Nintendo ended up winning no matter how you see it. For example AC was made for N64, now compare ACNH sales compared to Playstation "exclusive" sales. If you don't think Nintendo win in the long run then you simply don't understand math or you're a Sony fanboy. What has Sony made that's a long-lasting franchise? Do they even have 3 system sellers today?
>>729066467>way cheaper games>plenty of documentation for devs>Sony did all they could to attract third parties
>>729066697Why does this read like a neogaf/iconera post? I guess snoys never changed
>>729070361>actually video games werent supposed to be good and youre not supposed to have them as a hobbyWow you sure got me, my fellow 4chan /v/ postet
>>729080352Not even saying it did badly, it got a ton of casuals buying it, just that a ton of people at the time didn't take the wii seriously.
>>729080421Nintendo lost the console war with the Wii U so they merged their handhelds and home consoles into one device. Xbox almost went back with the Xbox Series but fucked up at some point. Then the entire FTC case basically established there is no direct competition between Nintendo and the other comsoles.>generic electronic that plays everything except Nintendo exclusivesSo the PS2.
>>729066605I'm white, American, educated and I know the PS1 had the best single console library. You're a retarded tendie and tendies do not play games, with tendie millennials being the absolute worst of all. People who played multiple consoles, PC and at arcades know that the N64 was dogshit. That includes Goldeneye, Banjo, Smash, Mario Party and OoT.
>>729080428Armored Core on the N64?
>>729080924Why does it matter what kind of platform the switch/2 is? It's the only one with exclusives that matter in the framing of a console war. Owning just one of Xbox/PS/PC gives you access to so much it makes the other 2 irrelevant. None of those replace a Switch (not including piracy on pc which normies don't even do).
>>729080960Smash and Mario Party were dumb fun.The great N64 exclusives were Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64 and Star Fox 64, after that the quality of the games is much more questionable.
>>729080971Animal Crossing.
>>729066467Having literally 10x more games than n64. Saturn also killed 64 in Japan, showing 64 was a failure worldwide.
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>>729080960>The great N64 exclusivesdidn't exist.
>>729080924It's just lies from snoys, every time they lie they create more karma for Sony so they keep losing. Nintendo already had handhelds/consoles way before sony even existed.
>>729080552The Wii had a lot of games but the 360 was the one getting the big third party games like Grand Theft Auto, Assasin's Creed, Left 4 Dead, Skyrim and Call of Duty. Halo was the killer app, but the real power came from the third parties.
>>729081265Gotta wonder what kind of karma tendies have for getting outsold 2x this past black friday by a 5 year old console
The only platforms left with meaningful exclusives are PC and Switch. Nintendo is fortified in their bubble and PC makes PS/Xbox obsolete in every regard but buy in cost.If you are going to exclude PC from the console wars then Nintendo already won.
>>729067025You also forget1. Games were cheaper for everyone included, the customer especially. CDs had a bit longer loading time than cartridge but half the price.
>>729081093>framing of a console warThat's the problem, it's just a framing, smoke and mirrors. The actual war has been over since the Wii U and the Vita died. If you want a handheld with Bing Bing Wahoo you get a Switch, if you want a powerful home console you get a PS5.
>>729081242This
>>729081379Same happened with Switch back in 2017. Plus Sony has had their console on sale 24/7 to try to compete, they just announced another sale in Spain. The terrible Nov numbers must have really scared Sony
>>729081265>karma
>>729081428Switch is not a home console. Ever since the Wii they have survived by not competing directly with the big guys.
>>729066697unc crashing out fr
>>729081639Anon just give it up already. There's tens of millions that only owned Switch 1 and didn't own Xbox PC or a PS
Younglings just don't get how many games the PSX had, it was insane. There are tons of great games most people don't even know about.
>>729066467basically cds and dvds
>>729066605Saying a console won the game market years later it was a failure simply because more autists like modding it now is retarded. Ps1 was the better console back then and it still is, whatever Sony did after that was retarded but fact of the matter was that N64 was just really kind of crap and it had no games
>>729081684>There's tens of millions that only owned Switch 1 and didn't own Xbox PC or a PSWhich means those people didn't get to play very popular games like GTAV or Battlefield 3. Not necessarily a big loss, just a matter of being a different audience. How many people loved Wii Sports but never played Super Mario Galaxy? Now, How many of the Wii grandma's played Halo?
>>729066467developers developers developers developers
>>7290664671. easy to develop for2. cutting edge technology, if on paper worse than N643. CHEAP to sell copies forN64 had to sell games at $70 or $80 even in the 90s because of the cartridges. Sony established the $60 standard.
>>729066807>my console charges more money for their shit and I still eat shit happilygood argument retard
>>729066467Sony were completely correct by getting into the console hardware business stating that CD's were infinitely cheaper to produce for than Nintendo's cartridge reliance.PlayStation 1 AND PlayStation 2 were basically the foundation of why Sony still continues to exist even now in the video game business. Both consoles had effectively shelf-lifed 19 years of big lucrative success.
>>729066467Back then, the only companies doing video games were...video game companies. Small electronic designers and manufactures.Sony was already a megacorp at the time. It was worth more than the entire video game industry combined.There was no other possible outcome.
>>729066467CDs and third party supportAlso easy to pirate on
>>729067087Nintendo is fucking up hard with the Switch 2 though. People caught up to the fact that it's still worse performing than the PS4 and it has no games
>>729081783PS1 games were also the cheapest and they let you try all the new ones for free.
>>729081986GTA 6 matters way more than old shit or basic shooty games, anon. Remember when Europe was Sony country? Now they're losing that too.
>>729081992It was a $50 standard back then. Acivision and EA pushed the $60 standard during the Xbox dark ages.
>>729066697Tendies never recovered from this
>>729082093It was basically what the Wii was when it came out. The cheapest console on the market with tons of good games
>>729082101why are you showing spain rather than europe as a whole?
>>729082101>shooting games don't matter
>>729082286Shooting games not on PC don't matter correct
>>729074819Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Sega release Saturn the same day of the announcement?
>>729082045except they went into the market like a small company with cheap conservative hardware focused on developers. They didn't have to buy exclusivity or other stuff that Microsoft would try to with the og xbox and 360 - largely because the only real competition made whole classes of game design impossible because of carts
>>729082101People have been playing Sportsball on their PlayStations since before you were born kiddo.
>>729066605This bizarre tendie cope about autismos being obsessed with speedrunning Mario 64 somehow meaning the N64 was always above the PS1 is so dishonest and disingenuous. It's almost as bad as the historical revisionism they do to pretend the GameCube was held in higher regard than the PS2.
>>729082175t. Son of Dob
>>729081639Switch functions perfectly fine as a home console. 90% of my use time with mine was using it as a home console. The other 10% of the time I was still in the same room anyway.If I cared about power and 3rd party games I'd get a PC which I did.
>>729082309Hasn't been the case since Halo CE.
>>729082402I played Wolfenstein when it came out so stfu. Switch 2 has the ball games now so I don't see why this would benefit Playstation in the future. All it takes is some marketing to teach normalfags they can play ball games on Nintendo
>>729082535Post birth certificate with timestamp.
>>729082175Wii had no games and nobody bought the good games and there were zero demos and it had no cultural impact in gaming. Weird pygmy latch on like that ouya that outsold the new xbone.
>>729082483>It's fine as long as I get [another device]
>>729082513Halo was the last time they mattered. They don't matter anymore.Every shooting game plays better on pc. Probably even shit like splatoon
>>729082461what kind of retard take is this
>>729082656It's fine as long as Nintendo keeps making good games for their console.For the record I don't own a Switch 2. It's not worth it at the moment. Maybe it will be later but I don't know.
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>>729082581what in the fuck do you mean it had no cultural impact on gaming and why the fuck is cultural impact the way we measure success now rather than how popular it was and how much it sold?
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>>729066467>despite the game boy, gbc, nes, snes and releasing the N64 Nintendo was still raped by a new system Is there a bigger fuck you from gamers in gaming history?
>>729082656>It's fine as long as I get [another device]For many NS1 already did this alone but NS2 is obviously where this changes completely. FF7, Madden, 007, Pragmata etc is proof of this.
>>729082756>Twitter file name>original pic from fucking RedditGood morning SAR.
>>729082662People still play shooters on console.
>>729082757What cultural impact did it have you fucking retard, products are not culture especially when they have no staying power you tendie fuck. Go ahead and name the significance of the Wii in 2025 so we can all laugh at you.
>>729066605Twitter, reddit, twitch, youtube and wikipedia, the tendie starter kit KWABOTY!
>>729082789Parents controlled what game console was bought for the most part, and Playstation was much more efficient price wise. Nintendo defs screwed themselves over in that department.Sony just undercut Nintendo in most ways that mattered, with developers too.Nintendo still made some truly great games for the 64 at least, so those that did buy in weren't let down.
>>729082789The Wii U?
>>729082859>FF7That's a PSX game.
>>729082979And they are getting ripped off for their ignorance.
>>729083004The fact that it was the best selling console on the market and Sony and Microsoft kept trying to imitate them. Also where the fuck did you get the idea that I made that post to shill the Wii, I am simply fucking static facts. I was comparing it to the PS1, who I actually am a fan of.
>>729083094Talking about the remakes.
>>729083151You drooling retard, the sales and imitations are the evidence of its irrelevance. How can a box that shits on 90 million tv shelves matter to gaming less than consoles that are only on 80 million? Think about it anon, we aren't playing fucking skyward sword clones, a game so irrelevant it forced it's franchise to be reinvented. Think about it just a fucking little, where were all these significant things happening that still matter today? Not on the fucking Wii. Wii is only relevant to Mom's who watched Ellen in 2006. Not to gaming.
>>729083483I dunno maybe the switch echoing the Wii's hardware strategy in many respects might still be culturally relevant?
>>729066494>>729066503>>729066639you guys jest but the PS1 genuinely had 10x the library of N64.
>>729083669I wasn't joking. PS1 had every game worth playing.
>>729082535Marketing isn't going to save Nintendo from going bankrupt, their market value is 25% down from November...As for games, am I supposed to buy the worst possible version of a multiplat on a card with no game or pay $20 extra to own a physical copy as per new leaks?
>>729083164Demakes*
>>729083592The Wii is a rehash of gc hardware, switch is Nvidia hardware. What strategy?
>>729083862Cheaper hardware, with a gimmick, focused on first party games?I don't mean the fucking actual chips they used you dense grug
>>729083483>the sales and imitations are the evidence of its irrelevanceThat it won its generation is proof of the opposite, just like Switch 1 ended up beating PS4
>>729083894The Switch was a very powerful handheld, it wasn't sold as a competitor to the PS4 or Xbone.
>>729083894Anon they've been doing that since the nes when they bought chips from a fax machine company.
>>729081783>No Vandal Heartsngmi
>>729083035Parents bought consoles for themselves. Nintendo had decades of goodwill before the playstation brand was even a thing.Nintendo brainwashed everyone and made them forget that they used to run a prostitution business.
>>729083919The best selling game of the seventh gen was Grand Theft Auto V, a game that has never come to Nintendo consoles.
>>729084127They didn't do that for the Gamecube and 64
>>729067576This argument makes sense, vecause bluray didn't have the success of DVD's hence the PS3 failure to top the PS2.Also it's competition was the Wii with big sales inflated by girls who wanted party games like Just Dance and soccer moms who bought it for Netflix and that yoga game.
>>729081556Same in Bongistan. They announced Christmas sales pretty much immediately after the Black Friday sales finished, £100 cut on the Slim. I think I've seen it on sale for longer than it's been full price this year.
>>729066494What if i think jarpigs are slop? What do you have then
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>>729083759>As for gamesWell, that's never a win for Playstation, is it? >>729084264Xbox was still alive back then and Playstation wasn't seen as a joke. Even casuals are picking up on the no games truthnuke
The Dorito Pope GOTY winners for the past three years have been:>90s CRPG>90s mascot platformer>90s JRPGThe industry is not advancing brehs. Just copying shit they have been doing since the PSX and N64 days.
>>729082434The GAMEcube vs the DVD station, why is the gamecube held in higher regard in the gaming community... its a mystery...
>>729084439They need to boost sales now, before the RAM and GPU shortages really fuck them in the ass.
>>729084630Even if GTA6 crashes and burns normies are gonna keep playing Fortnite, FIFA and Call of Battlefield on their dudebro consoles. What has been lost is the wild creativity of the PSX era, and only indies still have some of that spark.
>>729084791Pretty sure God of War and Shadow of the Colossus are held in higher regard than Super Mario Sunshine. Wind Waker was the one who got better reputation over time.
>>729085059GTA 6 wont crash and burn kek. It will make over $1B in its opening weekend alone. Rockstar have never made a straight up bad game.
>>729084762What should have won, then?
>>729085138>Wind Waker was the one who got better reputation over timeEven then, only for the art style. Gameplay is treated like the elephant in the room for wind waker.
>>729084791source??
>>729085059Companies will just pivot and start porting everything to Switch 2. Dudebro consoles are dead, entertainment is too volatile and too expensive
>>729083759>buy gun and ball slop on the switch 2 You're locked at 320p 5fps for the next 10 years, assuming nintendo doesn't kill backwards compatibility again.>buy gun and ball slop on the PS5 You can stream on any device, you have the Portal 1&2, the new handheld and the PS6.I wonder which one is better.
>>729066467>fuckhueg library>nintendo kneecapped itself with weaker hardware, a subpar controller, and tiny media at exorbitant prices which pissed off 3rd parties>nintendo got itself in a bind thanks to its stupid overzealous censorship policy, earning itself the moniker of "kiddy company">after the disaster that were genesis' expansions, the saturn pooped and shat itself:>>nightmarish to develop for, let alone developing a 3D game on>>rushed to hell and back, pissed off retailers, developers, and the public>>most games didn't make it out of japan, the only region where it did well
>>729085723>I wonder which one is betterSwitch 2 has games. I do think that's a positive for a gaming console.
>>729083483I don't care. We were talking about who won the console race that generation, not which niche console autistic people remember the most fondly
>>729066605>uhh where's the skimbly bumpiss?>where's glorbo bongub?>wow... stubby lubby klubby buddy hasn't had a new game in 15 years.... that's embarrassing...>if a company doesn't keep recycling the same characters to make the same game for decades, it's a failureThis is what Nintards actually believe.
>>729067585>it's actually crazy how they killed nearly every IP they owned and replaced it with dogshit like horizon and spidermanNOOOOOOO YOU DON'T GET IT YOU NEED REAL MATURE GAMES FOR GROWN UP GAMERS LIKE ME. VIDEO GAMES NEED TO RESEMBLE BLOCKBUSTER HOLLYWOOD MOVIES RRRRREEEEEEEE
>>729069509>Both PS1 and N64 emulation were ass for a long time but last time I checked PS1 was leagues better while N64 is still janky.You do realize that emulation quality is DIRECTLY correlated to the amount of good games on the console that people want to play
>>729085829>Switch 2 has games
>>729085996Correct, which is why Saturn emulation is better than 64. 64 really has no games outside of zelda and mario and even the fans feel this way.
>>729085829snoys really didn't like this
>>729085829>Switch 2 has games.
>>729084584nintendochuds how do we defend against this?
>>729084584>Blaster Master instead of Jet Force Gemini>FFT instead of Ogre Battle 64>implying any of those 3D platformers compare to Banjo or Mario 64>implying any of those Zelda knockoffs compare to N64 Zelda>any of those JRPGs being similar to Paper Mario or PokemonJust admit there were a handful of good N64 games that the other systems just didn't have.
>>729085138>God of War and Shadow of the ColossusGod of onions and that unplayable 20fps shit stain of game you faggots shill bc of muh atmosphere made by a hack who made 2 games and a walking sim in his entire 30 plus years as a creator
>>729086924Literally better than everything on nogaemscube
5 years of ps5: nothingA few months of switch 2: bonanza and mkwBut somehow nsw2 is the no gaems machine.
>>729066467Great third party support. Nintendo shoot themselves in the foot by using cartridges instead of disks and the Saturn was hard to develop for.
>>729087067>bonanzaWhy does everyone write it like this? It's Bananza
>>729066494based and true
>>729087143Indian shills aren't paid to spell check.
>>729087301Snoys seems to do it as well, it's strange because if they want to type fewer letters they can just write DKB
Its a meme, you faggots
>>729081948>>729082434As someone who hacks N64 games, people like you bitching about what I do with my time is dumb as fuck. I grew up with a Playstation and loved playing tons of different games on it, and continue to find and play new games that I enjoy on it to this day.But you know what, I don't have a single reasons to start messing around with modding PS1 games. It's like, yeah the PS1 has some pretty good platfomers, but the N64 has Mario 64, and that has more interesting movement mechanics than any other gen 5 platformer, and tons of people have made tools to make modding it in a billions ways highly viable, so why would I even bother with something else, like Spyro? Like, there's nothing much to really do with most PS1 games that wouldn't be better done with a N64 game, a lot of the Playstations most iconic games are both mechanically simple and heavily laden with cutscenes and pre-rendered visuals that we don't have source assets for, so there's not much to really do that wouldn't involve either remaking them, or turning those assets into AI slop. RPGs are generally not worth modding unless they're extensively customizable and naturally freeform like something like Baldur's Gate is. The N64 offers basically a selection of some of the most highly interesting to mod games that exist, so no matter how broad a selection of great games there are on PSX, bitching that people don't hack them enough is something YOU need to do something about if you want anything done and you care that much.
>>729080493Do you think they would allow such bigoted and homophobic users in their palatofrms?
>>729087534>As someone who hacks N64 gamesdon’t ever transpeak to me again ytboi
>>729077353>sign contract >decide later it was unfair
>>729085158Everyone has just spent 15 years playing V and online to death. Do you really think some bonnie and clyde shit SP with no rocket bikes or epic team missions is gonna set the world alight? VI will disappoint everyone like IV did.
>>729066467I never boycotted AI in games, only troons on bluesky do that and fail to realise it's going to lead to more sales just like when they tried boycotting Hogwarts jej
>>729073616>hates jarpigs because "otaku bad"He was right, given what they turned into>let Rare get bought off to some American jews computer companyRare was in decline and Nintendo notice their drop in quality>the SNES CD/Hotel Mario incidentNo one cares about this>didn't lobby Sony to kick out Ken KutaragiIt wasn't there problem>proceed to buy Texan company who waste your budget that your pal Iwata lent them, because he love throwing parties.They made a critically acclaimed game>Assured the company worships the man he assassinated's philosophy to stay cheap with hardwareGiven Sony's and Microsoft's crash in hardware and software, it was a great idea>flees Nintendo like a coward when Sony dominated twiceHe was getting old so he retiredYou done, Snoy?
>>729066467https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0kpYoGJE0k
>>729085815>stupid overzealous censorship policyWhat did they censor on the 64? They let Conkers Bad Fur Day be published.They got that reputation from making child friendly games, not from censoring adult ones made by others
>>729070069N64 Paper Mario doesn't have parries that make you invincible, that was added in TTYD.
Ninspeds are going to have a great 2026 with more famitsu magazine threads and huh Yoshi and tranny emblem and... just shut up and help Nintendo survive another year!!!
>>729066467still amusing that saturn sold more than n64 in japan
>>729066703>nintendo was anti mature games at the time>at the time
>>729087735>Given Sony's and Microsoft's crash in hardware and software-21,91% $76.87 Billion USD
>>729075052>Gaming was on the verge of becoming mainstreamHow was this a good thing, you faggot?
>>729078971They've already won. Sony and Microsoft proved them right and those two shithead companies even proved the notion that PC gaming was dead wrong as well. Nintendo and PC taking over again is the market self-correcting.
>>729081639You remove Nintendo and PC gaming and the market collapses within itself. PlayStation and Xbox are not sustainable, nor have they ever been sustainable.
>Nintendo and PC
>>729067524
>>729067324>Let's not forget that the PS1 was also the easiest console to develop for, thanks to its dev friendly hardware.Compared to the Saturn, yes, very much so, especially the early saturn "dev kit" which was basically "here's the register map and an assembler, the rest is on you, buddy."But the N64 was ridiculously "developer friendly" as it was straight up OpenGL with the names changed. The PS1 was a weirdo system that required the devs to handle all the stupid edge cases caused by being a 2D fixed grid triangle warper with no z-buffer. The N64 just took 3D x,y,z+u,v+r,g,b for every vertex and just got to work. The PS1 sound hardware was not as easy to use as the N64's plain old streaming buffer like was already used on PC. And hell, the carts made development so much easier. Imagine having every file on your computer accessible as if it's already in memory all at once. No caching, loading, decoding to write, no crunching data down to fit in RAM, just ondemand stream it from the cart.When people say the N64 was "hard" to develop for they mean it was hard to take a PS1 game and turn it into an N64 game. But the reverse was true too. Try taking an N64 game and porting it to the PS1.the other thing that caused a problem was Nintendo's "fuck you" policy on obtaining dev kits. If you weren't a big name studio - fuck you.
>>729089297>Forward by Seth Rogen
>>729085059They ain't going to playing shit when the PS6 is $900 and the next gen Xbox is a $1500 PC.
>>729084519You can play nintendo and xbox games then.
>>729088986110+m sales. Kneel
>>729089906Still cheaper than the switch 2 which won't even be around when they come out KWAB!
>>729088372Xbox is getting killed by Microsoft is real time while Sony is scared as fuck of the PlayStation dying, they're dragging out the PS5 during the PS6, making a handheld because they lost Japan, and trying to put their stamp in PC gaming because it's over for PlayStation.
>>729090105Switch 2 is $450, it's the cheapest device, the Steam Deck 2.0 will be cheaper than what Sony and Microsoft are making at $550.
>>729089441N64 was a nightmare to work on and had major issues PS1 did not. Cartridges held things back majorly but the whole console is. A bottle necked nightmare that takes years to get goodd perf out of. Nintendo also did a terrible job of supporting developers so most were fucked and on their own churning out sub PS1 graphics on a console allegedly 4x more powerful.
>>729077723>the company who singlehandedly brought the industry back from collapse is a blight on the industry
>>729066467All the third parties wanted discs and not cartridges. Saturn is an anomaly because it had everything that PS1 had.
>>729090537Only an insane retard thinks this is the case.
>>729084519>What if i think jarpigs are slop? What do you have thenTony Hawk's Pro Skater 2Tekken 3Gran Turismo 2Metal Gear SolidCastlevania: Symphony of the NightResident Evil TrilogyCrash Bandicoot: WarpedSpyroStreet Fighter Alpha 3Medal of HonorSilent HillWipeout XLApe EscapeDriverRaymanOddworld: Abe's OddyseeSyphon FilterTwisted Metal 2Legacy of Kain: Soul ReaverTench: Stealth Assassins???????
>>729090587Saturn prioritized 2d over 3d, so they lost.
>>729090841>Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2Also on 64>Tekken 3Arcade game>Gran Turismo 2Generic>Metal Gear SolidMovie slop>Castlevania: Symphony of the NightAlso on saturn>Resident Evil TrilogyR2 is on 64>Crash Bandicoot: WarpedMario better>SpyroMario better>Street Fighter Alpha 3Bad arcade port, absolute kusoge>Medal of HonorGeneric shooter>Silent HillMovie game>Wipeout XLFzero clone>Ape EscapeMario better>DriverLmao>RaymanMario better>Oddworld: Abe's OddyseeNobody gives a fuck>Syphon FilterGeneric shooter>Twisted Metal 2Generic driver>Legacy of Kain: Soul ReaverNobody cares>Tench: Stealth AssassinsNobody cares
