If Nerevar was turned into a bonewalker after his death, and his bonewalker is still around during TES III, how would he have been able to reincarnate?
>>729079559through the magic of the druids.
>>729079559Because the Nerevarine is not a reincarnation of Nerevar.
Soul does not equal bodyNerevar's soul became the nerravarine, his body is basically just a golem
>>729079559>reincarnateTake the redpill, sera
>>729079559Posting some art to get this thread started
He was more of a bonerider if you catch my drift.
>>729079734what is he saying?
>>729079708https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:BonewalkerBut Nerevar's bonewalker meat-suit wouldn't be inhabited by any rando, it would be Nerevar's soul powering it. >>729079669It's something I've considered. The entire thing is a little confusing to me I'll be honest. In TES incarnation is when you're born already mantled, right?
>>729079559The point of the Nerevarine is that anyone who can fulfil some vague shit is technically him.The failed Incarnates were all potentially him, but they fucked up somewhere. A run where you fuck up and render it impossible to proceed makes YOU a failed Incarnate. Someone will eventually come along and pull it off, Dagoth Ur and the Tribunal and doomed to fail eventually because Azura wills it to be.
>>729079669It's ambiguous. The Moon and Star ring should only accept Nerevar, which would imply it really is reincarnation, but Azura could have just modified the ring after it entered her possession.
>>729079736There's no evidence in the game that Nerevar was gay besides Dagoth saying "sweet Nerevar" in a mocking tone. If anything, considering the Ashlanders have a Mongol thing going on, Nerevar realistically would have had multiple wives and children.
>>729080005There's also the chance it's just a legend and the ring can be worn by anyone. Morrowind seems to be all about how legends aren't necessarily true/as impressive in reality so I wouldn't put it past them.
>Skyrim thread>Was fun with some arguing over mods, but otherwise civil>Morrowind thread>Schizo/anime avatar retard in 3...2...1...
>>729080002But if Nerevar's soul is still dicking around on Tamriel logically you are not the Nerevarine, by definition you can't be his reincarnation unless they have some weird fucked up conception of the soul, I vaguely know there's a difference between someone's AE and their soul or whatever but I don't know the details.
>>729080005Or maybe she just made it the fuck up. Morrowind has a constant theme of prophecy/legends just being hogwash and tools to manipulate others.
>skyrim thread>retards sucking dicks>morrowind thread>intellectual debates
>>729080190You're assuming time and space operate the same as it does irl when it's been shown repeatedly not to and there are entire major plot points about it.
>>729079806"I see, you had good time with Molag Bal again."
>>729080429Unless there's a Dragon Break occurring, yes I would assume time and space operate in mostly the same way.
How's the Narsis Fighter's Guild? I'm a pure mage at the moment so this isn't happening right now, but I'm curious since the mages guild was cool.
>>729080635where is this art from?
>>729079559Every single thing in the 36 Lessons is quite obviously a lie. It's so far-fetched to the point of absurdity, none of it sounds even remotely believable.The Nerevarine prophecy is a lie too, it's just that it's substantially more convincing until you examine it more closely.
>>729080635The body, mind, and soul are separate things. A person can exist in more than one place at any given time. Daedra do it all the time.
>>729079559The crossover we need.
>>729080727All the art I'm posting is from either Mkhail Pabor or Nadmoremtumana, sadly neither of them post anymore. At least not that I've been able to find. The last thing a penpal heard from Misha was that "he wasn't feeling too sure about things" and he stopped posting not too long after that, that was years and years ago.
>>729080902A bonewalker is reanimated by the spirit, in traditional Dunmeri religion there isn't any mention of reincarnation. >>729080918Adorable
>>729080418I mean, Morrowind has neat lore and stuff to discuss, Skyrim has DRAGONS ATTACKING YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE.Both are acceptable games, but one is vastly more complex lore-wise than the other.
>>729081023You attacked the Ordinator, bitch. Now see how the Three protect their servants.
Nerevarine != Reincarnate Nerevar. Its someone mantling Nerevar.
>>729080418You have to read to play Morrowind so you'll probably end up going through all important NPCs dialogue and pick up on some things along the way. In Skyrim you can mash through dialogue and get a quest marker. Though Morrowind is still more interesting than Skyrim either way.
>>729081772I actually really like Skyrim, though I might be biased because it was my first TES. I think the thing about Morrowind is that there are still so many questions left without a concrete answer, Skyrim like you said is more straightforward. You are the protagonist in Skyrim, in Morrowind the protagonist is someone who died thousands of years ago and is only ever mentioned, never given a voice. Even 20 years later we still argue over whether the Nerevarine is truly Nerevar reborn, over what really happened at Red Mountain, over the relationship between Nerevar and the Tribunal or Dagoth Ur, the fact that things are left as a question rather than an answer is one of Morrowind's strengths. That same ambiguity is why people still talk about the Skyrim Civil War and whether it's better to side with the Imperials or the Stormcloaks, when things are mysterious it gets people to engage with the material on a deeper level.>pic unrelI like Kirkbride's lore, but I think I'd actually despise him if I had to interact with him irl.
>>729081824Not exactly. "Hnnnh. Critical subplex inquest: divine roster, supermundus physiotype."Tiber Septim: "The Stormcrown manted [sic] by way of the fourth: the steps of the dead. Mantling and incarnation are separate roads; do not mistake this. The latter is built from the cobbles of drawn-bone destiny. The former: walk like them until they must walk like you. This is the death children bring as the Sons of Hora."Arkay: "Lies from a previous age."King of Worms: "The Jills of Aka-tosh have mended this numidition. Mannimarco remains as he was: the high priest of maggots."Almalexia: "Hnnnh. Kyne and Mara and Dibella and sixteen Daedric elements: all contributed to the snake-faced queen when she touched the drum. Their sum? A Beauty Cala as none have seen. Cala! Wetness of Kingdom!"Sotha Sil: "...incalculable."Vivec: "Arenotelicon."Dagoth Ur: "Sharmat. Dream-sleeved inversion, where the Biters live, he brought them here, pawn of the Aggregate."Nerevarine: "Pantheon by incarnation, as all alive now know." https://en.uesp.net/wiki/General:Nu-Hatta_of_the_Sphinxmoth_Inquiry_TreeAs I said above I think the best explanation I've heard is that an 'incarnate' is someone born already mantled but I'm not sure where I heard it, or why it stuck with me.
>>729079559The Nerevarine is not Nerevar reborn
>reincarnate25 YEARS AND YOU FELL FOR IT AGAIN
>>729079559>and his bonewalker is still around during TES III1. where did you get this (i suspect its TR, which is not canon, unfortunately)2. just because his bonewalker is around and moving doesnt mean the soul cannot be anywhere else except in it.The way i see it is that the soul is still in the realm of existence, and bonewalker is tethered to it. His bonewalker being around is more of a sign that his soul is still around and is infact an indication that he is reincarnated.
I miss having the local culture and religion actually be relevant to the main plot. Dagoth Ur is literally the local devil. Everyone in the story is aware of the stakes of what's going on and has some perspective on it. The real history of the region and the beliefs of the people feed into each other. You can meet historical figures and get their take on things because this stuff happened in living memory. You could beat the game knowing nothing more than Dagoth Ur is some wizard in a volcano you need to kill, but if you read up independently you can get more out of the plot.In Oblivion it really doesn't matter where you are in Tamriel for the Oblivion Crisis its the same shit. Mankar Camoran's Commentaries are the only interesting thing to read and even that doesn't really impact your understanding of the plot. It's just nice to have a villain actually articulate why they worship the god of evil murder in a convincing way (which is a shitty part of tons of fantasy cults) Skyrim felt disappointing because it almost tried. Alduin is a local deity but the events happened so long ago that it's all forgotten and you need time travel to learn what happened, and most of Skyrim's religion has nothing to do with the old pantheon anymore. There was also the local civil war conflict but that was also half-assed, there was no actual conflict between the local and Imperial culture and it was detached from the main plot. The sole interesting idea that they even tried to develop was the idea that the deaths from the Civil War were actively making Alduin stronger and you needed to work towards a truce.
>>729080190You could take one of the examples of how to mantle and use it with Nerevar. That being the "walk like them until they walk like you".If someone completes the prophecy and goes through the motions of uniting the Ashlander tribes, etc etc, then the universe treats them as the Nerevarine.
>>729083319Good question, I won't lie TR inspired me to make this thread. The closest thing I can find is this quote from MK. I like your explanation and same for the other dude who was trying to say that souls aren't bound to linear time, but I can't find any evidence for it in the game or in OOG posts, nor do I know how it would fit with the themes of the game if that were true. >The Indoril masks were official, and they each depicted his true visage. There was also a special Daedric helmet version in the Morrowind Art Book, but its look depicted his more terrible aspect as Hortator and Padomaic champion.I may say lots of things, but Lord Indoril Nerevar the Hortator was my beloved from the get go during my tenure as MW’s Art Director.Edit: to Lorus, that’s his bonewalker version, lost to the annals of most Tribune histories. Nerevar, while betrayed or not, was still dear to ALMSIVI after death.
>>729083719I will die on the hill that mantling is a retarded lore concept. The player's Nerevarine status is supposed to be ambiguous and outright saying it's mantling only cheapens everying about it.
>>729083719The Nerevarine did not mantle Nerevar, mantling and incarnation are two separate things.
>>729083982It's not a retarded concept, it's just easy for people to misinterpret. The same way people interpret CHIM as The Matrix, or breaking the 4th wall.
>>729083997Oh, I'm aware, I'm just using it as an example of how one can be the Nerevarine without actually being his incarnation. Depending on one's view of the lore.>>729083982I don't mind it when it's in regards to the Hero of Kvatch doing what he does in the Shivering Isles. But it does open up other questions.
>>729084107>The same way people interpret CHIM as The MatrixTo be fair, I don't think the vast majority of people who bring up mantling and CHIM have ever interacted with the primary source material that either of those concepts come from. It's just redditors parroting things second-hand.
>>729084314>It's just redditors parroting things second-hand.>You are now reminded of those years we spent listening to self-proclaimed experts on Tower lore parrot literal fanfiction that some random guy decided to insert into wiki pages and fool a generation
>>729079559>not knowing the difference between the corpus and animus
>>729083476Isn't Alduin inevitable so his "death" at the end of the game means fuck all anyway? You've just pushed him back a few centuries, like how Numidium is going to pop up somewhere again eventually and be a big problem for somebody.
>>729084406I'll give them credit where credit's due, there are some people on the teslore subreddit that are pretty intelligent. It's like 2 or 3 people out of that shithole but still.
>>729084657We're in the 13th and final kalpa baybee, Alduin isn't going to eat a damn thing.
>>729084657Yeah but TES games tend to end on pyrrhic victories anyway so it's fine After Morrowind you fuck off leaving the place behind with its society and religion in tatters and after Oblivion you witness the end of the divinely ordained Septim bloodline and know that whatever comes next is gonna be a shitfestSkyrim's ending is probably the happiest desu unless there's some massive unintended consequence that we don't know about yet
>>729084878I wouldn't say Skyrim's ending is the happiest, the province is tearing itself apart through civil war and there's the looming threat of the Thalmor and a second great war.
>>729084878>unless there's some massive unintended consequence that we don't know about yetI'm betting on TES VI having the timelines converge or some other retarded capeshit multiverse concept as a consequence of Alduin being killed as an excuse to drop constant nostalgiabait.
>>729084878My morrowind ended on a pretty happy note, oblivion and skyrim can suck my dick with the retcons.
>>729084878The outcome of the war?
>>729085060>My morrowind ended on a pretty happy noteSotha and Alma are still dead anon
>>729083319TR got the idea for Nerevar's bonewalker from Kirkbride, who actually did manage to get it in the actual vanilla game (the image of St. Nerevar you find in shrines is supposed to be him as a bonewalker), so it is canon actually
>>729085032and most dragons came back to life too
>>729084406Lol exactly. And that godawful Miraak fanfiction that people still occasionally post here for some unknown reason. I think it's specifically the audience that Skyrim attracted - these people just blindly believe that TES lore is "good" but they've never seen it because Skyrim is terrible at showcasing it. So they bring up things like the laughable dragon language as examples of "in-depth worldbuilding", or they just make shit up on the spot. They're not equipped to discuss actual TES lore, yet their FOMO forces them to conjure some bullshit that would justify their place in the conversation.
>>729085203Right but the question is if the bonewalker is still around at the time of Morrowind, which we just don't know unless there's some obscure mention of it in a dev rp or something.
>>729085386>And that godawful Miraak fanfiction that people still occasionally post here for some unknown reason.Which one was this?
>>729085436I think he's referring to the one that says Miraak is a Sharmat?
>>729085436Massive cringe warning, read at your own discretion.
>>729085606Explain what's wrong with it.
>>729085606>screenshotting his own postsI'm already dead from cringe.
>>729085386It's the Dark Souls loretuber mentality, there's no need to actually have a well defined narrative and mythology, just go with the vibes and make shit up based on random snippets, if you convinced enough people that your bullshit is true that's the new reality.
>>729079905Mantling is when you walk the path of someone else and the way you act is so similar that the Dream decides you are, in fact, that person, I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter whether that person is dead or alive Tiber Septim did it to Talos and you do it to Sheogorath
How good is TR? Should I do it after the main quest or on a new character?
>>729086123>Tiber Septim did it to Talosthat's not what happened
>>729086283New character is best, plenty to do for a low level character.
>>729085048Skyrim was nostalgiabait though>The first DLC was just "Hey, remember Bloodmoon/Morrowind?">Todd went on record to say he wanted old fans to love Skyrim too>Characters reference Morrowind a fair bit>One of the tracks that play in towns is from MorrowindIt's weird they did that after dumbing everything down so much, but whatever.
>>729086283New character. I made the mistake of installing it early last year mid-main quest and I got so distracted that I went from "curing" my corprus to wandering the mainland for hundreds of hours before getting back on track with the whole prophecy thing.
>>729086729>>Characters reference Morrowind a fair bitThey reference Oblivion too. And Oblivion also referenced Morrowind. That's not nostalgiabait that's just part of trying to maintain a coherent fantasy timeline where people don't instantly forget historical events once they're over.
