I like ff12 :)
i just started this on my ps2, seems kino so far
Me 2. second best FF
I dislike it.I don't hate it, I dislike it.I hate everything after 12 tho
Me too, I like looking at Penelo's ass.
>>729097060the UI is good
>>729097262Please don't ruin the thread :(
ff12 likes you : )
I like FF8 and FF9. I hate FFX. there is no one that shares this opinion.
Underrated sequel.
>>729097317I didn't like the little ui change in the remaster.
>>729097414because it's a wrong opinion to have
Larsa
>>729097060Me too. It has the best english dub I've ever heard in a jrpg.
>>729097417I wish it was in 3d like the crystal chronicals ds games ff3 ds
>>729097060
>>729097443what did they change?
>>729097060I jerked off to Ashe so many times as a kid. That short skirt does things to me.
>>729097471I don't care. It's my opinion, which you can't say about yourself.
FFXIII was better
>Balthier and Fran are the worst characters to use their default weapons with (gun and bow) because they have unique animations that take longer than everyone elseWhy
>>729097630I think the colors but it's been like a year so idk for sure
It's alright, could've been so much more
>>729097060it has extraordinary production valuethey really, truly do not make games like this anymore
Last good FF
I fucking loved the dialogue in FF12. Makes me so hard.
>>729097538I find it neat that vaans va was in a boyband lol
I'm still salty they got rid of this lovely Charpentier Renaissance smallcaps font for all subsequent releases of the game. It fits the game so well, better than the generic serif fonts they went with for The Zodiac Age/HD by a country mile.I also hate how the English patched FFXII International uses the tiny system fonts for all dialogue. It's the opposite of what I want to see.
What class combinations did you give the characters in the Zodiac Age?
Did you guys play this one? I always thought it looked kinda similar but never gave it a chance
>>729097060This is the first time that I see an screenshot of the game that isn't a cutscene
>>729097889I should really do a full playthrough of the ps2 version. i might like the aesthetics more
>>729097060It is an incredible game, but the PS2 IZJS is the superior way to play a the hd port allows you to choose two jobs per character and that makes the game far too easy.
>>729097889This is really interesting to me. This font, and the original License Board system were the reasons I hated the original FF12 on PS2.Man, the License Board was just broken by design in the original.
>>729097060Matsuno Kamige that filtered every single imbecile on this planet. Even though it is a mainstream game, it is a hidden gem, because almost nobody went down the FF12 rabbit hole.One of the goats.
>>729097954whithe knight chronicles is absolute dogshit especially when you see the first tgs gameplay trailer and realize the game is nothing like that.
>>729098224Yeah it was far too easy to get stronger in the original license board I agree.
>>729098216You know the second job option wasn't originally in the remaster until the Switch version and then they retroactively patched it into the others, I'm sure you could still download an old version without it if you really wanted to
I still wonder what the game would have been like if Matsuno could have had his full vision for the game realized
>>729098216Just don't do it
>>729097112>>729097060It's the best Final Fantasy with 9 but they are obviously not made for Children so Manchildren in their 30s hate them.Buying macros is a cool concept
>>729098289I read somewhere that its s little unfinished but idk if that's true. I think I read the same thing about ffx
>>729098289The game was too MMO-ey to not offer a blank slate customizable character when FFXI was already doing it before it. Being stuck with the boring ass static human party you are given and having all the best characters be Guests on top of that just really death sentenced it.
>>729098458bro 9 looks like some cartoon shit preschoolers would watch
>>729097765literally the same sort of dialogue in any military/political jrpg
>>729098597Thanks for proving me right.
>>729098419I wonder what would’ve happened to all of Square if Matsuno didn’t have his freak out. He was the clear heir apparent to FF and Sakaguchi after Sakaguchi left. No Nomura shitting up the franchise with his casual bait bullshit.
>>729097724ok thanks anyway
>>729098389No, it most definitely was. The addition they made to the switch/xbone version was the option to reset your job at the clan hall
>>729098617Not with that cool VA
I finished the original, the IZJS PS2 patched and Zodiac Age.I liked the emulated PS2 IZJS patch version most
>>729098817Same and same, except without patches I just went in and played IZJS.
>>729097060I hate how gay the main character is
>>729098817>IZJS PS2 patchedThat's the one I played after stalling on the PS2 version many years earlier.I've been thinking about Zodiac Age. Is it worth getting?
>>729098886I mean the Japanese game ISO patched with an English translation. Which is pretty much the same as the official Western IZJS
>>729097060I wish they had a different protag. And that jobs changed character outfit.
>>729097705XIII has a better combat system, but XII has a better world and level designThe best FF game would be somewhere between both
>>729098958He probably banged the princess.>>729098990Oh ok, good to know it's a thing.>>729098978TZA is sort of like IZJS but with 2 jobs and generally rebalanced to be much easier. If that's fine with you, then sure it's good.
>>729097705Full. Retard.
>>729097060same anon, samei think it has the best world out of final fantasy game, the landscapes, building architecture and the weapons and clothing all look amazing in my book
>>729099140No way he did
>>729098978Zodiac Age is just easier and makes it harder to fuck up some optional content.
>>729097889>Vaan: shikari, bushi>penelo: white mage, monk>fran: archer, white mage>balthier: red mage, machinist>Ashelia B'nargin Dalmasca: black mage, time battlemage>baasch: knight, uhlanI avoided foebreaker, because it supposedly sucks. Should have got time battlemage as a first pick for somebody, because casting haste on baasch or balthier with a slow rifle is really strong.
>>729099129>XIII has a better combat systemXIII has no combat system
Oi m8 you got a license for that quickening?
>>729097417nah, it was sufficiently rated relatively to the sequels FFX and FFVII got. FXII deserved better.
I hated Vaan as a kid but my god I love the world. I remember dreaming about living in this city instead of the trailer we lived in.
>>729099287>I avoided foebreakerThe techs are good though.Will really help especially against Yiazmat and other nasty optional bosses.
>>729099129>press X to win for like a quarter of the game makes it a better combat systenfuck no
>>729098525>all the best characters be GuestsMechanically? Because they're only really useful in the early to mid game for having an extra body if you're trying to do higher-level Marks, and even then they're just helpful, not requiredAfter midgame they fall off hardReddas is borderline useless by the time you get him, which is a shame since he has a kino design and is voiced by Phil LaMarr in the English version
>>729097954I played it and despised it.
Looking forward to Valentine's this year.
>>729097060Yeah I love this game. Hated it when I was 14 but went back to it years later when I was like 28 and fell in love with it. Great story
>>729098978Zodiac Age is worth it, but you've got to limit characters to only have one job, just how it was in IZJS. Otherwise the game will be braindead easy.
>farm in Lhusu for a while>turn around for 10 seconds because cat pissed on walls or some shit >suddenly 2/3 party dead and the last one yellow>????????????
>>729098509I dont think i heard that before but considering what you get id say its the most finished FF. Gameplaywise at least. Dont really care about the story.>>729098525>MMO-eyI never got that feeling. Are the areas too spacey? Is the game too grindy? Also dont think a silent protagonist would work in FF12.The best thing about FF12 is, if you go in blind, you got that massive world to explore. With hidden areas, throwback to old areas, super bosses, super hard areas, super omega bosses. I love that fucking game. Its too fucking good and doesnt treat you like a retard.
I've always wanted to make a video going over how fucking batshit insane the chests are in both versions of the game but I'm too lazy to research and edit a video of that magnitude.
>>729099363The world, races and music are all top notch. Love the Ivalice moogles.
>>729099438>A Judge Magister there was... two years past, he took in his hand the Midlight Shard, stolen from Nabradia, and used it not knowing what he did... and Nabudis was blown away. Cid ordered this of him to learn the nethicite's true power. That man swore never to let such terrible power be used again. He forsook his Judicer's plate, and his name.>...JUDGE ZECHT!The English VA was kino as fuck in this name
>>729099438No, storyline and design wise. Larsa and Reddas are by far the best, and Totally Not The Traitor is far more likeable than basically everyone save for Balthier.
>>729099639Sounds like you walked on a trap.
>>729099639Nidhogg claims another one
I'd pre-order + tip + same day delivery the deluxe edition of a sequel/prequel revolving around Al-Cid.
>>729098509Matsuno got fired and the new director finished the game with the story that Matsuno left for him. There's a large chunk of the game where there is a notable absence of story (going to Archades) and I imagine they would've included some storylines in that part had they had time
>>729099664Vaan may as well have already been a silent protagonist. His ties to Reks could have worked with virtually anyone, him being an afterthought and not even a thief in his first iterations really just reinforce that sentiment.
>>729099363>>729099363the biggest disapointment of FF12 was leaving out the entire map from the gameYou literally spend the whole game going to and doing dungeons around dalmasca, arcadia is 2 zones
>>729097417interesting game limited by the DS
>>729097060I wish it was turn based.
>>729099967He's playable in Revenant wings I think.
>>729098451Having the (((option))) makes the game worse in an objective level.
>>729100132it kinda is
>>729100196>https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Al-Cid_Margrace#Final_Fantasy_XII:_Revenant_Wings>While Al-Cid makes no direct appearance, Ashe briefly mentions her recent visit to Rozarria, implying she did indeed take Al-Cid up on the offer he issued in Final Fantasy XII. What actually transpired is unknown, and no references are made to what Rozarria looks like or what kind of culture it has.you thought wrong
>>729100345Huh lame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B8X1NegB5k
>>729099776>open a random chest in the ps2 version>you've now locked yourself out of the strongest weapon in the game
>>729099664The devs did straight-up say they wanted to make something akin to the MMO experience in single-player, but what's important to remember is that they were talking about MMOs in the early to mid 2000s, not modern MMOsMMOs were initially seen as just a logical evolution of single-player RPGs, where instead of having a party of characters serving as tank, DPS, and healer, to strategically take down a boss, you had individual players doing it insteadFFXII basically was trying to make macro-ing a more accessible thing in order to put some of the dynamism of working your way through MMO systems with other people into a single-player experience, and it works really well in that regardA lot of modern RPGs still borrow ideas from it even if they don't go as in-depth with things like the Gambit system, since it's generally easier to just design a game around good party AI that the player learns to work with like VII Remake for example) rather than giving them the keys to the whole system
>>729100121You can also do an optional dungeon in Nabudis which at some point was probably supposed to be part of the story. The game was behind schedule already. For the story Matsuno was telling it makes sense for most of it to be in Dalmasca
>>729097060Bottom 5 Final Fantasy, but still an amazing game.
Remember when the Sweedes almost made a FFXII sequel?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_(cancelled_video_game)
>>729097765games so forgettable i cant remember these dudes ever interactingmight as well be a montage in my eyes
>>729100419You can still get the zodiac spear, it's just a percent of a percent chance of getting it instead of a guaranteed chance.
>>729100590Name 5 better Final Fantasies.Note that this game is better than any of the NES, SNES, or PS1 FFs, so without including those.
I'm still mad that sakimoto bounced after XIIAll the ivalice soundtracks are so fucking goodhttps://youtu.be/65_Q7CK_Qno
>>729097765Same guy who translated Vagrant Story and FFT WOTL btw
>>729100685so whats that chance, 10% x 10% x 20%???
Mosphoran Highwaste is such a cool area
>>729100814Sakimoto was always only associated with the Ivalice games. He wasn't a SE employee anyway he was always contracted through his studio Basiscape
>>729097060I have been enjoying my playthrough, but I will say this: the game sometimes feels like it was designed to sell strategy guides. Libra sucks ass and doesnt work on the mobs you really need it for and a lot of progress logs are very bad at pointing you in the right direction.
>>729100419Why would you want to steal from your own kind who are struggling to make ends meet?And why would you want to ruin a neat looking chest formation at the beach?
>>729100803It's all subjective, the fact that you're asking me to means you already won't agree with my answer. Here goes anyways:VIIVXVIIVPlease refrain on shitting your pants too hard while nitpicking an opinion.
>>729100671>Grin worked to bring the game's art style closer to the Final Fantasy series, but after six months of development was told that no funding would ever come from Square Enix, and the developer filed for bankruptcy several days laterHow did they get away with it
>>729101338>XHomosexuals get out
>>729097417I played that game but I can't remember a single thing about it.
>>729101338I said without the snes and ps games retard can you read?
>>729097060Second best FF after 7
>>729097060Everytime I feel like replaying it I remember how fucking lame Yiazmat is and that whole sunstone section, and the bs with waiting for certain weather and and and naaaah
>>729100927Assuming you have the require Diamond Armlet equipped:>10% chance of the chest spawning AT ALL>10% chance of gil NOT replacing the item in the chest>10% chance of the item in the chest to be the zodiac spear and not an elixir
>>729101781>everytime I think about playing it i remember how lame an optical boss is, so I dont
>>729097060There's so much to like about FFXII but god DAMN is the combat sauceless. They really needed to shove some mechanics and gimmicks in there. It's basically FFIV ATB except in real time. Has less going on than FFVII - FFX.
>>729101625>Exclude the best eras of FF and it's the best FF game!Dude that's crazy
>>729101149>the game sometimes feels like it was designed to sell strategy guidesconsidering the nonsense you have to do to get some items, find certain rare game, and unlock some sidequests, there's not a doubt in my mind that the game wanted you to buy a guide.
>>729101905What? I didn't say you can't include the PS2 games
>>729101781With the right set up, you can auto-battle the entire fight against Yiazmat.
>>729102006>thong above the shortsFUCKING WHY
>>729099363Vaan is a good main character for the world he's in since he's young and dumb and never really left the citybut he's a terrible MC for the plot
>>729102052Ok so the competition are:>Really Good Game>MMOIt still fucking loses.
>>729097060>tfw realized its almost a decade ago since I helped anons on /v/ with cure manipulationtime passes by too quickly
>>729102207How else will you know she is wearing them
>>729102294Was it an obscure trick at the time?
>>729102006FFXII's designs wouldn't feel out of place in FFX-2 which is wild to say about an Ivalice game.
>>729102254That's what the main gripe is.A game with Penelo, Larsa and Vaan fucking around the world and visiting dignataries would have been great for them.
>>729097060every time I want to replay it I remember how annoying it is the characters constantly stop moving to put away or pull out their weapons
>>729102254If argue vaans not even they mc. They make it appear that way in the first few hours of the game but then he's promptly forgotten once you get on the airship to save ashe. Very clear that matsuno did the bare minimum to meet squares bishounen main character requirement and way more interested in Ashe and Basch's story
>>729101891Are you implying the game has anything worthwhile to it other than the battle system and exploration? Because it does not.>>729102083Yeah that's the problem. It's a brainless timewaster and the worst FF superboss because of it.
>>729102294I remember doing cure manips to get the perfect MP/HP for Balthier & Fran for my weak mode playthrough.
>>729102006gorrillions of eons in ms paint
It's funny how FFXII contrasts with FFXVI in tone. They're basically diametrically opposed to one another.FFXII starts out kinda wrong with I wanna be a sky pirate bullshit, then it's right uphill when Balthier shows up, it's pure kino for the next fifty hours of playtime.FFXVI starts strong with politics and armies clashing for selfish rulers with you caught in the middle. Then it's straight downhill after Cid dies and the plot turns into yet another stop the bad guy plot for the next 70 fucking hours.
>>729101896Thats the joy of it, though. It is incredibly dry in combat, but you can optimize so much with gambits and licenses to a point where you basically only have to navigate around the map for most of the game.
>>729102374I suppose? I actually found my post in the archive >>384581590good times, I miss this /v/
>>729102891I don't find much joy in a game's combat being so undynamic that you can automate it with a few if else statements. Especially given that most of the gameplay is combat and the level design is only occasionally interesting.
>>729100196>>729100345You're thinking of A2.
I'm about to play FFXII for the first time, I just finished X and was going to stop there since I've heard for years it was the last great FF game, but I'm willing to give XII and XIII a try. Should I play XII without a guide at all? And I hear a lot of good things about the English dub but how's the Japanese VA?
>>729102006reminder that ff12 is unfinished and probably more than half the game was left on the cutting room floor
>>729103410You don't need a guide for 12 unless you care about getting all the ultimate weapons and things because XII is retarded and super old school in that regard. Like grind a chain of 200 of a specific mob in a row and nothing else or open this chest but only if you didn't open this other chest earlier :^) hehe type shit
>>729103090Have you ever tried New Game-/weak mode/122333 run?For me, it's the only way to get enjoyment out of combat.
>>729103410XII is also good, play one of the IZJS versions if you can, vanilla XII is roughXIII is trash though you can stop after XII
>>729097417>>729100123Supposedly it wasn't originally supposed to be a sequel to 12 but the management asked for it to be thinking it would sell better that way. Wonder what they originally had planned for the story, since the gameplay was supposed to be the exact same
>>729103410It's been a long time since I've played it but I remember the JP voices being pretty goodBut honestly I'd suggest you play it with the dub, if only just to experience one of the only media in existence with a superb english dub, and I say this as a JP purist
>>729101625Lol, set arbitrary rules because you know you're wrong. You should go away.
>>729103795>>729103410Really doing yourself a disservice if you don't play XII with the ENGLISH dub. The localization and voice direction are fantastic. I'll hear the VAs in other games and just think, man you don't sound nearly as good as you did in FFXII
>>729103410Only play remaster XII. It has 60 fps, new music, better job-based gameplay. Vanilla is meh.Game is a single-player mmo. If you like games with grinding you'll enjoy it a lot.It's not a heavy on grind tho.World and lore is beautiful. ENG Voice acting is AMAZING. JP VA are very bland compared to EN.XIII? That's like literally the worst FF after 2. Story and characters are abysmal. Gameplay is mash X to win. Level design is a straight line. Only good thing about it is music.
>>729103956Always throws me off hearing Balthier in Skyrim
>>729104051In 2.0 of FFXIV there was a character ot absolute dogshit VA and when I looked it up it was Balthier. People don't realize how much of a difference a good va director makes
>>729097060>>>/vr/
>>729104285>look it up>he voiced UriangerHoly shit he's a good VA but with abysmal direction of 2.0 he was only tolerable, somewhat.
>>729097060The worst Final Fantasy.
>>729097262It is a really cute ass. Good taste.
>>729104285It's pretty wild the difference it makes as IMO he was pretty much the peak of XII's VA
>>729097060It ends in a moment that feels like it should've been the halfway point story-wise, and the story was pretty silly overall. Chase a magic rock for the whole game to fight the empire, then discover the rock's evil and defeat the empire without it anyway. Didn't really dig the combat either. It was the moment FF started going downhill for me, but it wouldn't become unplayable bad until FF13.
>>729097060XI and XII were my favorite FF games. Everyone else is nostalgic for the turn based games, but I'm nostalgic for this style.
>>729104856That's XII's biggest crime, how it just fucking ends right as it starts to get good and actually feel like a FF game. I thought we would get to go to Rosaria etc.
>>729098649
This thread inspired me to install FF12 again, but this time w/ mods on PC.
>the game is so shit most people praise the "updated" versions for being able to fast-forward it 4x the actual speedThe truth is that very quickly you are just zooming through endless corridors hoping the hunt or dungeon ends already while the bland auto-combat plays.
>>729102719I hate it.
>>729103721It's not really a sequel to FF12, you could change the main characters and the story would still work, it's focused on a new continent in the sky, now that you mention that it makes more sense why it felt so distinct from the first game.
>>729104889Indeed. I think this game challenged a lot of gameplay tropes in jrpgs and it feels sort of regressive to see people clamor for more turn based stuff these days. I really like tunung up all my gambits, setting the party leader to attack nearest visible and just cruising the map, collecting xp.
>>729104285The material also matters. XIV is fundamentally soulless corpo garbage. XII still felt like they were trying their best to make something with feeling behind it.
>>729105115I coomed BUCKETS to that cg set when I was a kid. Very nostalgic.
Still deciding if I should play it. FF11 just threw everything off when I was a kid. I never even heard of an MMO by that point and after enjoying FF10 now all of a sudden there's this weird ass FF you have to pay monthly for and I just ignored the entire series until fucking FF7R.
>>729105716Retard
>>729105250>XIV is fundamentally soulless corpo garbageI too like judge games I haven't played myself.Shadowbringers is peak FF and best thing happened to the series since XII
>>729098978>I've been thinking about Zodiac Age. Is it worth getting?if you've played the original then PS2 IZJS patched is a good choice. TZA is just too meh.
>>729105776Even at ten I wasn't falling for MMO scams. I was at some kid's house I never met that was playing it and I told him his game was shit and a disgrace to the series.
>>729106050Sure you did.
>>729097060Same, I also like 7, 8, 10, 13, 15 and 16
if only the pc version could have "everyone can use all weapons"
>>729099327wrong again fucker, it's the only good part about the game
>>729097714it hardly matters, the game is so easy
>>729105938Shadowbringers and end walker have a better story than most FF games
>>729097060As a fan of both IX and Tactics my expectations for XII were probably unreasonably high but you have to understand that up to that point in time Squaresoft had never made a dud. Not in a main FF game at least. Even Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts 2 were fantastic ARPGs, there was absolutely no reason to believe this could fail. And yet it did. Personally i like the game it wanted to be, the game it could have been. I like Ashe revenge plot, i like Basch redemption one and i like Balthier rebellious one as well. I even like how the Espers are tied to the world as beings that revolted against the Occuria. The whole idea of the game is great.However because of the change of direction and the problems of development none of that is properly developed. You end up moving through the motions with most areas and espers being optional and having no plot. Furthermore, at the time of release, even the skill system seemed somewhat boring and could be filled at around mid game leaving the player with little to do except constant grinding. IZ and later ZA fixed some of it by introducing jobs and dual jobs so the player would have something to do for those 20 hours on which there is virtually no plot but still i don´t like that the game is pretty much just grinding and hunting for gear. In these kind of games i need the plot. This is probably the one FF that could use a remake.
>>729097414I do. I also like 6 and 12 and don't care for 7
The hunts are cool
>>729107539Mucho texto
>>729107041I liked the music too. Shame about everything else.
>>729107539poco texto
>>729107539suficiente texto
>>729107041you le..... press x...in le corridor?....
>>729099287>no red mage /archer for fire damage boosting bow0/10Can't find my loadout for swiftness 3 on everybody, a couple tanks with steal and light + heavy armor but I spend way too much time planning espersAlso, foebreaker trivalizes bosses
>>729097060I see Zodiac Age is on sale for $20. Should I finally give it a try?
>>729108081Yes
>>729108081Are you a mature gamer? Do you like politics?
