I think it will be fine

They could add a better single player mode, more bosses, even playable bosses, add all the things previous games had, there's a ton of room for improvement

I play smash to play as game characters, not Goku and Spongebob.

>>729099987
I've not enjoyed smash bros since brawl

How about a smaller roster (35 or so) with lots of character reworks, particularly the original 12? That would be much more exciting.

Give the characters complete new movesets. They shouldn't be locked into movesets from 1999/2001 since many of the characters have evolved a lot in their respective series. Since it's not a serious fighting game, it's a party game, it's ok to change the characters completely.

>>729099987
I don't understand why retards think Ultimate can't be topped. Do you really think it's the peak of the series because it brought back Pichu or some bullshit? There are dozens of video game original characters who aren't in these games yet.

>deadass
Go back.

>>729100414
>They shouldn't be locked into movesets from 1999/2001
this is really only true for puff, falcon and maybe fox/falco
the rest are very different from melee

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>>729100179
Unfortunately they've already laid the groundwork

>>729100505
This, Ultimatebabbies don't know what true hype is. When Smash 6 gets announced with blockbuster characters like Sylux, Shantae, Verso, and Shovel Knight? That's gonna break the internet.

>>729099987
I'm expecting Switch 2 Edition with a successor to Adventure Mode, All-Star Mode and maybe one or two additional characters. There's been a few FE games since then, right?

>>729099987
>deadass
You're a grown man

>>729099987
They need to start from scratch and focus on evolving the core gameplay and having an online system that's not pure dogshit.
That means resetting the roster and remaking all the classic characters with faithful movesets (especially Samus). It will piss rostertards off but it's necessary.
If 6 is just Ultimate Deluxe it will suck.

>>729101518
That's what I'm saying, there's no new ground to be broken aside from that final line I mentioned. People are going to be disappointed one way or another.

>>729101139
>Sylux
*VUE 995 and Nora Armstrong
Fix'd

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Remove her from Smash forever.

>>729101141
This. They don't have the balls to make a new Smash game without the full roster.
They probably are trying to make a deal with all companies to bring back every character again.

>>729099987
The next Smash game can easily surpass Ultimate by redoing movesets and giving it actual single player content. Regardless of how good or bad Brawl was as a game, it was the last time a Smash game has actually felt new and unique. 64, Melee and Brawl all felt like vastly different games while Smash 4 and Ultimate have just felt like remixes of the previous game.

>>729102113
It really is funny that Sakurai immediately said after the "Everyone is Here" reveal that they will almost certainly never do something like that again since it was only possible due things lining up well and there are people still coping and thinking they'll bring the whole roster back. He tried to temper expectations years in advance and people still aren't getting it.

>>729101518
>evolving the core gameplay
This isn't happening unless it's something insane like turning Smash into some sort of Power Stone-inspired 3D platform fighter, which would be interesting. Ultimate more or less feels like the finished, polished version of Sakurai's vision of Smash: casual, floaty, limited strings and combos that only work at specific %s, etc.

Rivals 2 is honestly a more interesting platform fighter than me to Smash at this point, and I can't think of any minor improvements to Smash that would change that. The DLC characters of Ultimate were interesting and very similar to Rivals' characters in terms of complexity, but they're poorly balanced and definitely had a net negative impact on the health of the game's multiplayer. If they don't learn from Ultimate to make sure that doesn't happen again,especially if they start redesigning existing characters to be that complex, I don't think I even want to play Smash 6 that much past the first month of the game

>>729105556
Sakurai has said a lot of things he's gone back on in the past

>>729105556
Rosterfags are some of the biggest manchildren in gaming. They don't even understand why none of their insane character suggestions are taken seriously, let alone understand how much work a game like Ultimate actually took.

>>729100316
>lots of character reworks, particularly the original 12?

Whats even the point of that. Most of the original 12 use their most iconic moves. Maybe you can make the argument for Mario, DK and Kirby, but what the hell is Link going to do when Bombs, bows and the spin attack are in every game. The characters don't need any other change than maybe what they did for some characters in Smash 4.

>>729105928
The problem here is the licensing. It might be possible to bring a lot of the Nintendo characters back now that they've updated them to a modern engine with an HD model (Smash 6 isn't going to look that different from Ultimate lets be honest), but the guest characters are a different story. With like 16 characters between 8 companies, most of them being DLC, there is no way Nintendo will want to spend the time and money to bring everyone back. Sakurai knew this. Probably the only reason they could make Ultimate happened is they were planning it while Smash 4's DLC was still ongoing and the only other company they needed to get the approval of was Konami. They probably also had to make some other concessions which are why the 3rd Party Miis are paid DLC again where all the Nintendo ones, including ones that were DLC in SMash 4, were in the base game for free.

>>729100414
The clone characters should definitely have bigger differences in their movesets and/or stats. At least visually.
Some of the oldest characters should also get their moves updated to be less generic and include more references to their previous games.

>>729099987
there are a million popular characyers they havent added yet

>>729101139
master chief

>>729105556
Hes open to using generative ai and the only real limiting factor to smash is the animation numbers.

>>729099987
>>729100505
Topping Ultimate would be via gameplay, not roster. It's an annoying chore to fight ~75% of the roster and this isn't a controversial opinion. The series is at its best when it plays "like jazz," and Smash 4/Ult stripped more and more of that out with poor design philosophy. Refine the core mechanics, build the single player stadium modes around that, and you will have a delightful game regardless of rosterfaggotry.

>>729103970
Remove this user from videogames forever

>>729106043
Bro quit dick sucking every jap on the street. The reason devs need to put in so much hard work is because they make retarded ass effort/reward choices like trying to get sora rather than someone willing and easy like hayabusa.

>>729108320
>smash 64
>plays like all the characters came to a fight
>nobody ever asks why mario doesn't play with a hammer in golf or runs in mk

>>729099987
Not an RPG

>>729108320
>Topping Ultimate would be via gameplay
So, basically, we're doomed

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You will get Ultimate NS2 Edition instead of 6mash, and you WILL be happy.

>>729110531
Unironically most smashfags want this.

>>729110669
That's true, I want this

>>729110531
They'd be stupid not to do this. It's free money.

>>729099987
Props for not doing the usual 'they're gonna cut characters' post for the OP, OP.

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>>729110889
I hope the cuts are a bloodbath
This was from before Bananza or the U R MR GAY Movie

>>729100920
but Sora is exclusively a game character (unlike e.g. Mickey Mouse)

We'll probably just get a switch2 port with a few new characters. Alear, Sylux, gen10 pokemon and then some big 3rd party like Master Chief.

>>729111295
uh huh and then you woke up.

Sakurai is gonna make a new game from scratch, he never reuses material. and I MEAN IT. and you know why? because just rereleasing ultimate with new content, something that will actually facilitate all the liscencing done for ultimate already and ensure no cuts whatsover would be an actually smart decision and something pro-consumer, aka: exactly the opposite corpos want.

>>729099987
bring back Subspace Emissary like mode (not this spirits crap), trophies (yes with descriptions), GOOD controllable final smashes (and not this "press B to watch a movie" shit), more funny items (not more of these one-hit shit items, where is the bazooka, fan and red shell?) and make the characters less same-y. Most of this started with Smash 4 already.

>>729111295
>master chief
why

>>729111492
>re-releasing the same game with a few additions at full price is pro-consumer
>making a completely new game is anti-consumer
are you dense?

>>729111123
the xenoblade duo more likely than diddy, dedede and meta knight? The fuck you smoking?

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>>729111582
yes, rerelasing an updated and expanded version of ultimate IS pro-consumer, because all the copyright deals made for ultimate would still apply. and there wouldnt be cuts at all.

making a new game from scratch would mean making all of those deals again, meaning there will be cuts, since of course not all companies will play ball like last time.

>>729111512
He's pretty heavily requested, is a big name and gaming icon despite Halo being the drizzling shit for years and Microsoft has a working relationship with Sakurai/Smash team considering they let they have Banjo and Steve

>>729111504
>SSE
Won't happen, Sakurai is still butthurt about SSE's cutscenes leaking before Brawl's release.
>trophies
Won't happen, all that modeling and texturing demands too many resources, whereas spirits are simply existing concept art and renders. It's likely that going from ~1,500 spirits back down to ~400-500 trophies would be seen as a negative, despite trophies being infinitely more soulful than spirits.
>better final smashes
This is possible, and I hope it happens. I miss Wario Man and Super Sonic so much...
>better items
4 and Ultimate had a few good ones, but items have become comically overpowered since Brawl. I'm not going to say Assist Trophies were a mistake, but they're wildly imbalanced compared to old items.
>make the characters less same-y
This is only happening if they reduce the roster, I think. It would take a lot of time and effort to make each character feel as unique as the DLC characters were. Consider how outdated even "overdesigned" characters from Smash 4 like Cloud and Corrin are just one game later. The frontier of character design in Smash keeps evolving, but existing characters just can't keep up.

>>729111790
but halo has literally no relationship to nintendo
every other 3rd party is directly related to nintendo in some capacity, either the characters themselves (mega man, castlevania, even metal gear got its start on NES) or spin-offs that were / are popular on nintendo platforms (mainline persona isn't on nintendo platforms, but SMT and the persona Q games are, for example)

i am almost certain that they are just going to add on to ultimate in a deluxe version or whatever its called. it makes the most sense because a lot of games simply got a deluxe version treatment for the switch 2. technically, the switch 2 is just a switch. if it was a completely different console like the switch is to the gamecube or wii u, then sure. but smash ultimate already has so much to it, i really do not think they are going to start a reboot yet. that'll be for the next console. and people are still playing ultimate like it was released yesterday. it's super active and making a new game would just alienate those people entirely.

all they really have to do is add more characters, make the count go up to 100 (or some weird japanese shit like 102) add some more stages, add a better story mode maybe an actual sub space (unlikely) add trophies (unlikely) kill the targets, or whatever just new stuff.

>>729111123
I feel like some third parties are way more likely to appear than others.
>If Bamco is working on it again then Pacman is a shoe-in.
>SEGA never seems to give them grief.
>Konami is always willing to shill out Castlevania for crossovers.
vs
>Square Enix is notably difficult yo work with.
>if those leak rumors are to be believed, Capcom and Nintemdo are shaky.
Personally. I bet Sonic, Pacman, Bayo, Terry, and atleast one Belmont will return. And I see getting Alucard as a newcomer is not-unlikely.

>>729111504
>and not this "press B to watch a movie" shit
I fucking hate the final smashes in Ultimate for this reason. What the fuck were they thinking?

>>729111650
>bellabean not best ridley
>that one guy who was THE BEST META KNIGHT not the best meta knight
>falkore not the best ike
>me not the best DK (or that other guy who played white DK)
this chart sucks

>>729112154
>halo has literally no relationship to nintendo
They will release Master Chief Collection on Switch 2.

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>>729099987
>Xenoblade 3 was a disappointment
>Tears of the Kingdom was a disappointment
>Super Mario Wonder was a disappointment
>Mario Kart World was a disappointment
>Donkey Kong Bananza is a federal offense
>Metroid Prime 4 is a disappointment
I'm so done with Nintendo.

>>729112192
Out of the third party characters only ones I'd expect to come back are Sonic, Pacman, and the Microsoft characters.

>>729112154
They're about to put Halo on ps5, it's not that inconceivable that they port the master chief collection to switch 2.

Persona 5 not being on switch when Joker came out broke all the doors down. People can try and justify it all they want with claiming 3ds spinoffs somehow count but if the reality is there is no "rules". Cloud only existed on a nintendo game as a small part in the gba Kingdom Hearts when he was added to Smash 4 remember. if they want to add something. It's just on Sakurai's whim if he finds it interesting and is feasible.

I think Ryu Hayabusa is a more likely 3rd party guess

>>729112005
>4 and Ultimate had a few good ones
I would argue these two can't be compared. Smash 4 had Gust Bellows, Beetle, and Special Flag. While Ultimate had Beast Ball, Killer Eye, Luanch Star, and various throwable melees
>but items have become comically overpowered since Brawl.
This is kind of true. I think melee had the funnest items. Brawl mostly added really huge Explosives, 4 added some of the most unfun items to play against. But Ultimate had fairly team items outside of ATs.

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>>729099987
it's not going to happen.
We would've had a switch 2 version alreadg if it there was going to be ANYTHING for smash going forward.
Too much licensing bullshit and the game has a pretty definitive feel to it.
A new smash bros game would have to have its own completely new spin on it.

>>729112572
I could see Banjo but Steve required them to revamp the games maps to account for Steves blocks. It'd be a lot easier now if he's base roster but I'd still strike it as points against him. Certainly I can't see him and Banjo being more likely than a Castlevania rep.

>>729100215
This, if it includes being disappointed with Brawl too. All games since have been variations on Brawl. I did have fun with Ultimate though, I think that's as good as the Brawl formula can get.

>>729099987
I only buy a Switch 2, if the next Smash has Crash Bandicoot.

>>729112789
i think the best items are EASILY the ones that have some persistent effect on gameplay, whether they enhance your character or act as a stage hazard: bumper, red shell, timer, bunny hood, cloaking device, metal box, black hole, freezie, soccer ball, or even the box with wheels from brawl.

i'm really not a fan of the basic weapon items, especially because the new ones just get more and more OP in an attempt to distinguish themselves. healing items, overpowered pokemon and assist trophies, and instant win items are also bad.

>>729112789
Every items after Smash Melee sucks.
The pokeballs' pokemons after Smash Melee sucks very much.

ATs sucks, in general. They are just a sad copy of the pokeballs' pokemons.

Items, in general suck. But they were fun in Smash 64 and Smash Melee, but, just for friendly battles. Items suck, so much, for competitive battles.

>>729113271
Reminder Crash Bandicoot is now owned by Microsoft and Microsoft is more than willing to shill their franchises on other consoles.
Crash is 100% guaranteed for Smash 6.

>>729112932
Niggers suck.

>>729113497
not even competitive, if you run into anyone online who's using a item ruleset it's just comically cancerous. whoever gets the first item usually just snowballs into 0 to death'ing their opponent. there are even people who pick the fastest or floatiest characters to just camp for items.

>>729113497
>competitive
pandering to competitive faggots made Smash as a whole worse, everything got way too standardized

>>729113986
>pandering to competitive faggots made Smash as a whole worse, everything got way too standardized
smash doesn't pander to tourneyfags at all
the closest thing they got to pandering was the ability to turn stage hazards off in ultimate

>>729114272
it does with the reworked physics and the final smash meter that was supposed to be a standard for tournaments (they did use it in official tournaments but nobody else bothers)

>>729114393
>reworked physics
ultimate is only superficially faster than brawl and 4, the changes actually do very little to make the game conducive for competitive play. some of the changes were actually detrimental, like auto-cancel aerials, spot dodge canceling, and universal 3f jumpsquat. i don't know if they foresaw this or not, but the fact is that they never improved upon any of it in balance patches.

tl;dr nintendo mostly just makes minor concessions to tourneyfags, but still designs the game to be played within the constraints of their very specific, semi-competitive-but-mostly-casual vision. hence the final smash meter you mentioned.

So how will Smash play with dual mouse mode?

I want a third button to do something. Two buttons are fine but I think it's time for a third button.

>>729113458
Yeah I can see it. I still think Ultimate is toned down compared to Brawl and 4's new item. But most of them aren't terribly interesting. Still like the three I listed by name though.
>>729113497
>The pokeballs' pokemons after Smash Melee sucks very much.
Ok this is a very good example. Because even the grandest of legendaries in melee still only takes up a quarter the screen for 4 seconds, and wouldn't move their location. They were clearly area denial tools. But then brawl decide that area should be the whole screen, should be a garuntee kill, and should follow the player.
ATs just take that brawl pokemon mentality and make them 20x more obnoxious. Ultimate made a right step by making them killable. However that doesn't at all justify adding a bunch of ATs that are borderline playable characters and a straight up boss fight.

Also everything about that can be criticized about post-melee items is like 100x more applicable to stages