>>729103398That GBA charm (see earrape)
>>729103398Dread is better, eat shit.>>729103468Kek
>>729103398atmosphere, good story, good dialogue, good characters, innovative abilities,
>>729103398Music, good level design, and a focus on adding distracting mechanics over simply running with the fusion refinement of super for a handheld (free aim/gay counter button)
>>729103398Is this and Zero Mission worth playing? I still have sealed copies of them lying around I bought for $15 on clearance in around 2004.
>>729103398Aside from semi-charming spritework, nothing.Dread is an objective upgrade over Fusion in pretty much every way. Combat, progression, level design, world design, bosses, story, etc.It's an absolute mogging.
>>729103632Yes but zero mission has an awful stealth sequence at the end.
>>729103667tiktok brain, dread is terrible
>>7291033It didn’t. Both are excellent.
>>729103398A restricted and curated path through the world with scripted emmis. Fusion is unparalleled with how it makes you feel on the first run through the game, you never know when the SA X is going to show up and it’s always threatening every time it does because it’s easy to die to but also easy to avoid. The emmis forewarn you of where they are and then force you to constantly run through their area and die to them to the point where they stop being a threat and start being an annoying gameplay feature.
>>729103632only NEStroid and M2 are skippable
>>729103563>atmospherearguable but very subjective>good story>good dialogue>good charactersLMAOFusion's story is terrible, walls of poorly written mucho texto, only beaten out by Other M.>innovative abilitiesObjectively untrue.Fusion has a single new ability which is barely used (diffusion missile), everything else is a bad rehash of Super. Dread was way more innovative.
>>729103632Yes, they're very fun.
>>729103398fusion has a better story scenario that it fully commits to. dread is a jack of all trades that tries to balance a standard light sci-fi adventure with occasional horror elements and it's just pretty weak in that regard.
>>729104024Dread only added Flash Shift. Invisibility was useless/for fags and Storm Missiles were Seeker Missiles with a different name.
>>729103698Nahhhh bro. I played Zero Mission yesterday for the first time in 21 years or whatever and when you get to the stealth section you're like wuttt. But then it kicks back in and it's a power tripping fantasy. Very "kino" as the young whippersnappers say
>>729103765>tiktok brainProjection from a retarded phoneposter who can barely shit out 5 words instead of making a real argument.
>>729103398Being actually fun.Yakuza and Nightmare alone are cooler and funner bosses than any of Dread's simon-says garbage.Both are linear, but Dread has absolutely no thought put into its world. There are very convenient teleports that take you EXACTLY where you need to go, plus there are doors for literally every fucking beam type. It's like it was made for toddlers.Shit actually happens throughout Fusion. What happens in all of Dread? The first two areas get frozen, so everything is even more closed off than before?Oh, and Fusion doesn't copy-paste shit constantly.
>>729103398fusion:here's a thingdread:hey do you remember that thing? well here's a 20 minute section referencing it. pretty cool huh?dread is the better game but as an aesthetic experience it has some built in weaknesses being a halfhearted referential sequel. you're probably noticing this
>>729104291Same, also played it recently, except I had never played it before. The stealth section is very short, it's a cool sequence being in danger and having to get back the suit before you start kicking ass again. Can confirm if I were 45 years younger I'd call it "kino".
Reading these posts I can only conclude there's an obscene amount of nostalgic delusion involving Fusion.It's a hyper-linear inferior unoriginal copycat of Super that commits most of the major sins of Other M but with charming sprites instead of garish Wii 3D graphics.>>729104671What the fuck are you even talking about?Fusion is absolutely full of references to Super Metroid.Again, delusion.
>>729103398They're pretty close, but for me, music and visual style. Nothing from Dread really sticks out in my memory.Dread's great though, I like running from those robots more than running from S.A.X.
>>729103398Fusion had better atmosphere but Dread was a significantly better overall game.
>>729104024Nta but imma defend him.>atmosphereNaw dude this game has some of the best usage of music and effects in the whole series specifically because it is scripted. You can argue the audio and graphical fidelity but the timing and usage is top tier.>good story dialogue and charactersLiterally name one better one in the franchise. There’s argument for story on super prime prime 2 and 3, but dialogue is exactly as much as is needed here and there are 3 characters: Samus, Adam and the SA-X. All of them are at their absolute best too.>innovative abilitiesI would argue against him with you on this point, diffusion doesn’t have anything on the swarm missiles or the aeon flash. But the Beam feels batter to use than any other game and the addition of cold vulnerability is flavorful and fun.
>>729103398dread was better than fusion in every way except controlsshoulder buttons > 360* stick aiming
>>729105140>Literally name one better one in the franchise.NEStroid. Simply because it doesn't have constant talking and exposition. If I want that garbage, Uncharted is right over there.
>>729104815I'm talking about the lame x sequence that feels like a put upon burden, but also to an extent the emmis and the inclusion of adam. they aren't the core of the game and feel like they're fighting for space. through a story/aesthetic lens it comes off as tepid and unfocused.
>>729103563>zero mission at the bottomis this bait
>>729103398Soundtrack
>>729103398Love this game but it must be played on hard mode to actually be good.
>>729105642>garbage casualized remake that misses the point of the originalI see no issue with this.
>>729105642god I hate Zero Mission stans
I refuse to accept Dread as Metroid simply because it's 3D now. That was reserved for Prime spin-offs only
>>729104024>>729105140none of the atmosphere and story characters dialogue bits are arguable, you're retarded.>Fusion has a single new abilityit invented ledge grabbing, explained by the removal of the heavy power armor. there's the xparasites that can be absorbed to gain items, or new abilities, and if you let them dwell they form new enemies. without power armor ice becomes a threat, that's where the diffusion missiles come into play another in-universe explained change. Fusion is a tough little game where the enemies hit hard, and it's because no power suit.any other game after with a speedy Samus not even using speed booster & and shinespark makes no sense in-universe. ZM, Dread, asspull games corrupted by ludo narrative discord. see me after class, scrub.
>>729106636I tried to like it, but as much as I do enjoy parts of it, it feels too tryhard. Like it wants to be a marvel movie.
>>729106748man I wanted to absorb that core-x
>>729103563Swap Dread and original 2 and now we're talking
There’s no Ridley fight in Dread.
>>729103398Fusion didn't need 8 buttons to do simple actions.
>>729103398Good controls
Metroid 1 and II are bad cause there’s no gravity suit or gravity suit analog.
>>729107260there isnt one in fusion either
>>729107718thankfuly we have ZM and AM2R
>>729103398it had qtes and parrying, which are fucking lame. SA-X was way better than emmis
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>>729107943Yeah there is it’s right>>729108271Here
>>729103398Just music really
>>729106297>>729106352>t.
>>729108883thats an X parasite
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>>729103563Need to give fusion a replay. Preferred ZM as a kid but replayed that recently and can say I'm not a fan.
>>729103632Its alright but I don't like that you can't go back to 95% of the map after you get the power bomb, felt cheated
>>729103563literally what human being on earth finds Metroid NES enjoyable. Walking around empty copy pasted rooms fighting the same 5 enemies, and looking at a guide while you play to find the spot in the the ceiling to find MISSLE TANK. I say this as someone who enjoys the first Zelda. Metroid is historically significant but fucking sucks to play now.
Fusion has better boss fights, Dread really only has Raven Beak.Since MS wanted to remake Fusion and Nintendo does the odd small title now, I am surprised they didn't reskin Dread into a $30 Fusion remake on the e-Shop.
>>729113142There's a remake they remade it twice. Super is basically an expanded remake of 1.
>>729113142you need to have a high iq to appreciate Metroid
>>729103398An actual art style, music, and interesting environments.
>>729108271https://vocaroo.com/18taczgrpikM>most powerful sounding Ridley isn't even himhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjoQ24lT-uo>most powerful sounding Vs Ridley isn't even his(those instruments, holy fuck, that climax)
>>729113879Not true vinny is dumb as hell
>>729103398It's an art/aesthetics issue imo.
>>729106675X parasites are the best pickup of any videogame, they are your health pickup, your main villain, your powerups, they can morph into other enemies, power them up, spawn into different ones than the one you just beat, and they make perfect diegetic sense in the game¡s story. They are one of the best things in the Metroid series. I wonder if a well programmed randomizer or romhack could make Xs become any enemy at any time?>>729114883I love that there's an Escape theme, then there's a Neo Ridley theme. And also, like 10 different tension themes for different situations. Fusion has such great sound for an early GBA game, as did Wario 4.
>>729113142I played it for the first time last year and thought it was greatthere's no need for a guide, you're just supposed to draw your own map as you go, it's fun
>>729104221Isn't the slide also new to Dread or was that an SR addition? Because that slide feels great to use.
>>729117420>Fusion has such great soundI wish there was a high quality rerelease for it. I listened to many fan recreations and something was always missing in them. I wish many GBA games had such rereleases, that console had terrible sound. Same with DS games, I been looking for a high quality Contra 4 ost for years now
>>729118737May sound like a copout answer but at this point, that horrible GBA fuzz has its own charm, its part of the music's identity so those uncompressions sound too raw and polished, the edges are missing. I guess we'd need re-releases or arranges supervised by the og composers like those Mother 3 tracks, those have always sounded great to me in a way vidya remixes never do.
>>729118737>>729119091I'm not even a Fusionchad, but this song effortlessly appears in my mind whenever I think about Fusion's sound: https://youtu.be/N2hgVSJ7VBs
>>729119091>arranges supervised by the og composersfrom experience, whenever game I like had one made by original composers it usually sucked too or was drastically different in tone. I know, it's an arrangement so it's meant to be different but it's still disappointing in a way>horrible GBA fuzz has its own charmthats stockholm syndrome right there, I always felt that these tracks were wasted on such shitty platform
>>729106352I hate you for existing and I sincerely wish your family die in a fire.
>>729119627for me it's all the scary tracks clashing against the >Pup pup pup pur luphttps://youtu.be/jMOo1j2WMAsof the navigation room. Fusion was my introduction to Metroid and is now stuck as my favourite
>>729103398Fusion was just a watered down Super Metroid on the goSo it was pretty goodDread is just bloated slop on a plate. Mercurysteam ruined the 2D metroid franchise with their dogshit counter mechanics and soulless western influence>Butt Retro is a western studio!Who is has Nintendo heavily breathing down their necks. Mercurysteam steam does not which just dilutes the brand just like Ubisoft and Rabbids did to Mario.
What do we think of AM2R? For me it's just ok, it changes enough to play better than 2 but it's held back enough by 2's design that it doesn't feel as modern as ZM does.
The famicom disc system of Metroid 1 is a lot better than the NES version cause it doesn’t drop frames when you shoot the wave beam or fight mother brain.
>>729120235It's dogshit like all fan gamesPeople only pretended to like it because the actual mercury steam remake of Metroid 2 was dogshit and Nintendo was trying to get the fan game shut down back then.
>>729105140I always thought the hate for Fusion's dialogue was overblown. Never felt like it was that bad to me and the only part I thought was dumb was the AI just so happened to be the guy Samus knew so well, that was pretty contrived, but their interactions and everything else about the game made me forgive it. I honestly can't believe the people that shit on Fusion while propping up Prime when Prime is literally "scan shit every 5 steps" with way more stopping and reading, and I say this as a fan.
>>729106297>misses the point of the originalAnd thank goodness for that because the original's map sucked ass and the action and movement were passable at best. It was a solid prototype for a much better game.
>>729106748I could forgive this shit if it was shorter and if he tried to fight back at all before that last grab at the end. The way it is, it's just spectacle for the sake of spectacle.
>>729119915https://youtu.be/lsYyzqc_5vg?si=30wHp-U9PX4dkaC6DESTINATION: PLANET SR388 is burned into my brain
>ayo Samus I hate you because I fucked up a mission that got my squad killed and you offered to help but I said fuck off my niggaHe's based as fuck. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BFaFLKsCKY&list=RD2BFaFLKsCKY&start_radio=1
>>729119761I know what you feel and that's why I specifically mentioned those Mother 3 ones which are an exception.>thats stockholm syndrome right thereMaybe, but meh, it is what it is. The DS conversions of the Megaman Zero Collection OSTs have a little fuzz, and I still prefer them to the official remixes which sound completely bland to me. Like I said you need someone who really understands their sound to go through them tracks with a fine combed tooth, or else you're just gonna get either the audio equivalent of "Nintendo hire this man" or canned, flavorless soundfonts that sound completely out of place with what you're playing, like those DKC restorations.
>>729120235It's what I wish modern Metroid was. Waiting for 2.0 update
>>729120379I didn't hate Mercury's remake but it didn't wow me, I just assumed AM2R had to be better due to how much people gushed about it and only tried it recently. Although as a fan project, it is pretty impressive.
>>729120848Shame Kenji didn't work on Dread so no superior Raven Beak theme.
>>729120940I liked Inti's remixes but they really fucked up Cannonball until that later remix they did in Mythos.
