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>both had negative receptions at launch and were considered "bad" games
Were people crazy back then? Action games till this day still haven't surpassed ng2's batshit enemies or dmc4's complex combos
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It's crazy that ng4 got received fairly well when It did an even shittier job of implementing the legacy character than dmc4 did.
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>>729106264
It was received fairly well because gamers are STARVING for non souls-like action games.
Ng4 back in 2008 would be considered trash lmao.
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>>729107183
>Players are STARVING
Absolutely. Ive got not problem with soulslikes but the fact that all of them are 99% identical is so tiring. Then people who only play souls games will retort with "uhm you don't have to play them!"
They don't seem to understand that these devs work could be instead going towards something novel and innovative instead of reheating fromsoftware's leftovers for years on end.
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>>729106264
Can't believe standards have been lowered so far down that NG4 retelling the same story but fucking over both the new guy and legacy characters is an absolute win for fans. $70-$90 dollars down the drain and nothing to show for it. But it's okay guys you HAVE to buy it so that way we get an NG5!!! I love franchises being held hostage.
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>>729108912
Its even worse when you play something like nioh 2.
Semblance of great action combat ruined by menus of trash diablo loot.
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>>729109603
I liked Nioh 2 but I think I'm going to drop Rise of the Ronin midway. There's good combat in here but it's held back by the loot and the asinine method of upgrading combat styles (give Hondo Yoshio a painting, wait 20 IRL minutes and give him a bottle of jack daniels, repeat ad nauseum until maxed out).
I haven't played the Nioh 3 demo but I sort of hope they consolidate the various combat systems, like using RotR's combat styles as a basis for having a bunch of basic attack animations, but also add in heavy attacks for special moves.



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