>>729110921They blew up a planet in the very first movie.
>>729111009Justified tactical strike, Alderaan was a hive of Rebel activity.
>>729110921Why didn't Palpatine just rule normally without doing all the evil sick shit that caused the rebellion?
>>729110921why do they keep a pack of nicotine gum on the front of their shirt
>>729111154The Rebellion was formed because of both the transformation of the Republic into the Empire and the Empire's political stances. It genuinely did not matter that some Imperials were going around doing evil shit, the Rebellion would have existed regardless
>>729110921no, they were bad bastards and it's awesome
>>729111115They murdered a fuckton of their own innocent citizens on that planet without warning.>>729111154because he is a evil fundamentalist wizard from the religion of evil and he followed his religions teachings
killing imperials is always justified and a moral good
The good guys:Leia - Delusional princess raised in the lap of luxury to parents who were tolerated despite trying to subvert the empire from day one, her foolish idealism turned dangerous by her access to power and men. She seeks the restoration of a decadent and corrupt order.Han Solo - Amoral mercenary only in it for the money.Chewbacca - Barbarous savage who enjoys brutalizing his enemies, an agent of chaos on in it for the sadistic joy bloodshed brings himBen Kenobi - Bitter apparatchik of the former republic, resented the empire for forcing him (rightly) to spend the rest of his days on a desert shitholeLuke - Naive hero mislead by bad actors from the start, became bitter and cynical later in life when he realized he made the wrong choices in betraying all his father had worked for.The "Bad" guys:Tarkin - Accomplished military admiral, pragmatic to a fault, unquestionably loyal to the empire, willing to make difficult choices.Vader - Accomplished military general, loved by his men, fearless in battlePalpatine - Great man of history, centralized a inefficient republic and purged corrupt elements like the subversive Jedi, pushed organised crime and piracy out of the core systems, brought law and order to the outer rim.
>>729111631When you consider the population of the Galactic empire in comparison to one Alderaan, the destruction of the planet was no different to the Americans drone striking a building with a terrorist commander in it and writing off the 12 civilians inside as an acceptable loss.
>>729111968well said, very well said! Now face the wall, imp.
CIS were the only good guys out there
>>729112165thats not how galactic society sees things
>>729110921>>729111115>>729112165Jewish mindset
>>729111009Planets being destroyed was actually fairly commonplace in Star Wars history.
>>729112340not for several thousand years at that time, no
I did it all for that smile.
>>729112325>It's Jewish to defend yourself
>>729111154This is why it's impossible to take Andor seriously. They crafted this extremely realistic, accurate authoritarian regime where all of the high-ranking players have realistic motivations for upholding their tyranny, but then you remember at the end of the day, they're all at the mercy of a cartoonish supervillain with no motivation beyond UNNNLIIMMIITTED POWWWAAAA and then you realize it's all absurd
>>729112550Literally, yes. You probably think Israel's actions after Oct 7th were justified too
>>729112721Arabs are too retarded to be any actual threat to Israel, the Rebels provably were a massive threat to the Galactic Empire.
>>729110921They're literally working for the Satan himself though
>>729112810How? At the end of the day, the Rebels' offensive against the Empire was just a series of terrorist attacks, same as Hamas. It was never an actual war. The only reason they won was because the Emperor was fucking retarded and thought it was a good idea to put his throne on the Death Star
>>729111154Because Empire EVIL, Sith BAD, Rebellion GOOD, Jedi GOOD.This shit was aimed at juveniles, how hard is it to understand?
>>729112721i need you to renounce the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad right now, or i will assume you´re brown.
>>729110921The Empire did not deserve the 181st Imperial Fighter Wing.
>>729112982They won and were therefore a credible threat that justified extreme force, if anything the Empire didn't go hard enough against them.
>>729113006Muhammad was a pedo and the Quran is an inferior sequel to the New Testament (2 > 1 > 3), not to mention how Muslims are thirdie savages, but I still hate Jews and don't want them genociding and displacing people
>>729111968Isn’t this essentially what that in universe propaganda film Cronal produced was about? Jedi Revenge-with Cronal trying to push Luke into becoming the new Emperor and portraying him as an Imperial hero?
>>729113139Again, they only won because the Emperor made a cartoonishly retarded move. Imagine if Netanyahu personally invited the entirety of Hamas to a state of the union address, allowing them to wipe out the entire Israeli government in a single blow. Then all of a sudden Hamas is a big threat, huh?
>>729110921I love Tie Fighter.
>>729113341Canons version of the Empires fall as downright dumb. For all my issues with Legends, their fall made far more sense as a slow death from infighting.
>>729113341We're constrained by movie logic here but yes if the setting was realistic the Rebellion wouldn't have been any threat.
>>729112550conquering territory while claiming it's for self defense is jewish behavior, yes
>>729111631The Republic was the fundamentalist part. Palpatine was a radical who wanted change from a corrupt and decadent system.
>>729114190The Galactic Empire already owned all that territory, they policed it, protected the trade routes, managed the courts and prisons, and managed the defense.
>>729114303they "owned" it the same way Israel "owns" the west
>Palpatine was the bad gu-ACK
>>729114458Israel controls the west through bribes, blackmail, and blowjobs. The Empire had hard power.
>>729110921Wrong.
>>729114207No, palpatine is a religious fundamentalist who wanted to replace a corrupt secular government with a dictatorship that eventually was supposed to be turned into a religious sith realm based on his religions tenets of suffering, backstabbing and darwinism. Both in Legends and Disneyverse.
>>729114745If Luke hadn't been mislead by reactionary ideologues like Leia and her rebels he could've taken his father's side and become a wise and just ruler for the Galaxy.
>>729114558The Empire was controlling other planets through similar means. It's how Palpatine got control of the galactic banks.
>>729110921
>>729112631I kind of agree, I like Andor but whenever I'm reminded it's set in the star wars universe I groan internally. The ISB board in s1 is solid, but in s2 you have Krennic who is so hilariously evil he cuts the screen to pieces
>>729111480Wasn't Luke gonna join the empire until he got roped into the rebellion by R2D2?
What do you guys do if in five years from now spaceships with aliens show up and change what everyone think of religion?
>>729116537Who gives a shit about religion
>>729116537considering that the fields of geology, biology, archeology, and astronomy continue to disprove the truth claims of various religions, i doubt aliens appearing would change any more minds than darwin did.
>>729116371He wanted to go to the academy to become a pilot, although that's implied to be entirely due to him liking to fly and not due to any imperial inclinations.
the REAL good guys were the separatists
>>729117412The Separatists would've been even more corrupt than the Republic. They were literally run by corporations. It doesn't get more dystopian than that
>>729117173Yeah but it just goes to show that the Empire couldn't have been all that bad if people were willing to volunteer
>>729111009The Emperor was pissed about that and was likely going to have Tarkin demoted for it.
>>729117412On this site, Count Dooku was a visionary
>>729117603>North Korea can't be all bad; people willingly join their army!
>>729117412>>729117543I always hear people say that it didn't matter who won the civil war because Palpatine was on both sides, but how exactly would he have pushed his imperial ambitions if the separatists won? Their whole thing was fighting against taxes and shit so wouldn't they just turn on him if he pulled something?
>>729114207He wanted a rvturn to the Sith Empire where everyone from the lowliest slave to the highest official was paranoid and constantly under the fear of getting shanked to advance someone else's political career, with Palpy being the sole guy with superpowers so no one can shank him.It is a sublimely detestable form of governance.
Despite what Disney/George Lucas says, I refuse to believe Palpatine is/was the strongest Sith to ever live. Just look at the Sith of the Old Republic, battle hardened warriors, alchemists and force abominations.
>>729117898The actual government and interworkings of the CIS isn't explained at all, but it's pretty obvious that the CIS is a brutal military dictatorship whenever they occupy planets, no different from the Empire. The CIS was the ELITE rebelling against the Republic's tax laws. Nute Gunray and his corporatocracy. The peasantry still get no say. All Palpatine had to do was wipe out the elite in a single swoop (which is exactly what he got Anakin to do on Mustafar) and the CIS is indistinguishable from the Empire
>>729111154He did. Palps had a public persona as this scarred man who helped end the war. It wasn't until many years later that the Alliance was forming due to discontent at Imperial policies and bureaucracy. The Moffs/governors are supposed to maintain order over their systems, but many if not all of them were comically evil. Palps just wanted to research to become immortal and some everlasting force deity.
>>729110921An overbearing beaurocracy that restricts commerce and travel, and wastes the galaxy's resources on retarded megaprojects requiring millions of servicemen to operate and can destroyed in a single battle.The Death Star is described by its builders as a "battle station." It was in exactly one battle, and the end result of that battle was that it was destroyed. And like any retarded government, the empire did it again and were like "trust us bros, we ironed out the kinks this time" and then it got destroyed in its first and only battle.If the rebel alliance didn't happen, eventually the empire would have had to pivot and become moderate because Palpatine was such a fruitbat. It would have taken a lot longer, but it would have been less than a century.
>>729110921>da evul peeple r da gud guyz xDSo 7th grade shit right there
>>729117898If the republic had lost, Dooku would've been in Palpatine's role and then later on they would've just switched seats or something.
>>729111115Canonically it is the move that helped bring down the Empire. Because it showed the Empire would kill you even if you did nothing. There for there was no reason not to join the rebellion as your fate was the same either way.Tarkin doctrine destroyed the empire.
>>729111009all they had to do was pay their taxes and stop giving rebels aid and shelter
>>729111926>not calling in a tie bomber airstrike
>>729111009They had to get in on, Alderaan was making a move
>>729111009>shelters terrorists >refuses to cooperate >acts surprised when they fucked around and found out
>>729110921I get that there's alot of SW games and thst the thread image comes from one of those, but wouldn't this thread be better suited for /tv/?
>>729111115You know Coruscant had rebels on it too? You gonna atomize that with the DS? It was a decision made to generate fear and have people fall in line, but it clearly had the opposite effect as other systems began to rebel, doubled by the fact that the Empire's greatest technological marvel was destroyed by some farmboy.
>>729119631They should've cleansed the lower levels, yes.
>>729111009Pay your fucking taxes. Its not difficult.
>>729111009This is star wars. In terms of percentage of total galactic population, Alderaan was equivalent to shithole town with a population of 500. If you discover that a significant percentage of that population is rebel terrorists and the rest are aware of that and letting them stay, it's a wise tactical and moral decision to turn that town into a steaming glass parking lot.
>>729119547I think OP is trying to avoid /tv/ anons just shitting down the thread with anti-Disney and 'not canon' type hateposts. And they would be right to do so./tg/ might actually be the best place to discuss star wars shit.
>>729120053I see. I don't talk about SW much on here, nor do I use either of those boards, so I wouldn't know
>>729119547Newfags treat /v/ as the hub of 4chan. Whenever they want to discuss music or a movie or a cartoon or a TV show, they'll default to /v/, never their respective boards. That's why so many boards are so dead. /v/ parasitizes all other userbases
>>729119759Kike mindset.
>>729110921No they were led by Satan, the republic too. I don't know what Disney was trying to say by having the new republic be corrupt jobbers either
>>729120492The other boards are trapped in limbo. Discussing the same things until the end of time, occasionally interrupted by a jeet post or a newfag thinking he found a new community
>>729111154He did. Even in both canons after the empire fell the galaxy just became a fractured backwater shithole without him
>>729120523Something something, we must always watch out for cryptofascists, and only a strong state led by vigilant technocrats can prevent the rise of another empire.
>>729110921No. They became the good guys after Palpatines death and under the likes of Thrawn.>>729111154Sith retardation. Every Sith Empire will sooner or later fall. HARD.
>>729111154because the end goal was never to rule normally but get power for the sake of power, the dark side of the force corrupts you to the point no matter what good intentions you might have had (granted in pre disney war palpy was always a pyscho before becoming a sith) you will inevitably be twisted into a monster that seeks power for the sake of power, only feel some form of joy when it involves the suffering of others, and view everything around you as a tool at best
>>729120670>pay taxes and don't disrespect the Empire>get to live a safe, decent life>live in Republic/New Republic>life is shit for majority, but at lease we have freedumb to vote for which corporate shill we want in office
>>729112472That we know of. EU jumped from 3000 BBY to like 20 BBY without exploring a whole lot in between.
>>729111009https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQyd9tEDhSc
The Emperor:>The hate is swelling in you now. Take your Jedi weapon. Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant.>Yes, yes, let the hate flow through you! >Your hate has made you powerful. Now fulfill your destiny, take your father's place by my side./v/:>Finally, a great man that will cut through the red tape and will bring order to the world, without being distracted by the petty things like democracy and the rule of law!The Emperor is the jewiest of the jews, he's a parasitic worm that subverted the whole galaxy to serve solely himself and his interests. He is not "based".
>>729120826>get to live a safe decent lifeits funny fags say this despite the whole point of Luke running back to his home upon realizing the empire killed the jawas was to showcase it doesn't matter how much you try to stay out of the way, the empire will still happily kill you for the slightest inconvience
>>729121203NOT THE POOR HECKIN JAWARINOOS!!!!!
That guy that tattoo the Tie Fighter game sith trophies in his arm.
>>729117806Yes, and? NK's government and propaganda is its main issue, although nowadays they don't even have to lie, they could just say what USA is currently doing to themselves and other countries and it would be enough to piss anyone off.
>>729120826This is horse shit though. The Empire notoriously has steamrolled over people who fall in line and do everything right.
>>729121293USA is like a drunktard with a revolver on bar of panssies
>>729121098He's not based but the Empire is. Anakin should have killed him instead of chimping out over his woman.
>>729112631>at the end of the day, they're all at the mercy of a cartoonish supervillain with no motivation beyond UNNNLIIMMIITTED POWWWAAAAYeah...that would never happen in real life, haha...
>>729121401Why is it based? What is the Empire, outside of being an extension of the Emperor, an apparatus designed solely to fulfil his whims? Just be honest and admit that you like the aesthetics of it because they remind you of the Third Reich, and nothing beyond the aesthetics matters to you.
>>729111154Because the sith are evil
>>729119759I get it, Alderaan was only 0.2% the population of Coruscant. But it was still represented in the Senate. There are only around 1000 seats in the Senate, so by destroying that planet, the Empire just wiped out one-thousandth of its constituency, That's the equivalent of the US government dropping a nuke on Pittsburgh or Orlando. Yeah it's not like nuking LA or New York or anything, but you better fucking believe it would immediately cause civil war, because everyone will be thinking "what if my city is next"
>>729111968Legitimately how do you argue against this?
>>729111115No it wasn't. Alderaan didn't even have a military.
>>729121436>that image HOLY JUMPSCARE BATMAN
>>729112631>>729121436Retards really completely ignore all the Fascist and Commie leaders and Trump who are basically caricatures of real people.
>>729121585By watching the movies and seeing that none of those things are even remotely true.
>>729121280it was a lot more than just the jawas, such as how Luke returned to his entire home being torced with his uncle and aunts charred remains right in front of him
>>729113002Star Wars had deep themes for 6 movies straight.
>>729121436that dude is just really self centered man child who doesn’t like being told no. he’s no where near on the level of complete puppy stomping madness that is sheev palpatine.
>>729121563To be fair Alderaan is one planet in one system among countless others in a mostly unexplored galaxy. Theres even planets within the Inner and Mid-Rim territories that haven't been mapped. Palpatine at best controlled 1/3 of the overall galaxy but thats why he wanted to be immortal.
>>729121525NTA but the Empire and the Emperor always seemed very disconnected to me. Palpatine is just a reclusive Sith monk who is content to spend his entire life practicing his religion in private and delegating all the bureaucracy to his subordinates. All he actually cares about is killing Jedi and building Death Stars. Tbdesu I think Tarkin is a better representative of the Empire than Palpatine. Much more down-to-earth and embodying of the Empire's clinical, detached brutality. But even Tarkin is extremely fucking suicidally retarded. The main reason the Empire sucks is because its backstabbing infighting culture. If only they had some concept of loyalty and forgiveness, I could get behind the military dictatorship
>>729121730The movies are rebel propaganda.
>>729111968>loved by his menTell that to all of the subordinates that he murdered for making a single mistake. And this goes for ALL high-ranking Imperials, not just Vader
>>729121972>The only real Star Wars exists in my schizoid mindJust write Space Turner Diaries or something.
>>729113167>but I still hate JewsBack to pedosky with you, leftist scum.>>729113341>>729113556What would have made more sense is if each stormtrooper and sith lord had a nanomachine inside them so that when the main sith lord dies, every bad guy suddenly turns off or explodes instantly so that way the good guys can win more easily.
>>729116537>everyone*the middle east and half of america
>>729121721Trump, Hitler, and Stalin have/had policies. They're still politicians, even if you disagree with their policies and ideology. Palpatine has no policies. His political ideology is literally just "be evil and kill as many people as possible for no reason". A human being like this has never existed across all of history, no matter how much you want to strawman
>>729121782That’s true, but no one in the senate gives a fuck about those planets. Their planets are the ones the Empire is looking at, and the Empire just decided to blow up one of their top planets since the old republic days.
>>729122164That's literally Mao and Stalin. Shit, even Hitler had some control.
>>729122164He loves to get people to build superweapons, that's a policy
>>729122351Stalin and Mao weren't just being evil for no reason, they where centralizing power after the revolutions destroyed the state.They had to rapidly industrialize, build institutions from the ground up, crush dissent, and and in Stalin's case build an army that could withstand Germany's in a decade.They where heavy handed and fucked up a lot but it ultimately paid off for both Russia and China.
>>729117543Corporations have done more for your country than your government has.
>>729122351>no matter how much you want to strawmanI wasn't expecting engaging historical political discussion on a /v/ Star Wars but Jesus Christ, I bet if you even clasped eyes on a history book, you'd keel over and die on the spot
>>729122682Corporations flooded my country with third world savages and hollowed out my culture into an empty commodity.
>>729122682Corporations lobby for warmongering policies and build monopolies that crash the economy
>>729118423>this canon guy can't be the strongest, just look at all these fanfic OCs!Kek>I...AM ALL THE SITH!
>>729122682Corporations lobbied for the laws that destroyed the future of my country.
Dooku is a grey jedi. Discuss.
>>729123019More like gay jedi
>>729110921They both sucked only the jedi sucked less. They were they best chance at reform.
>>729121098Palp fires from the hip and tells it like it is.
Why don't we have an Andor video game?
>>729123019dooku is a sith lord who regularly did evil shitventress became a grey force user.discuss.
>>729122682I don’t think there’s a genuinely accurate way to measure something as vague as “contribution” to the country when corporations and government are so intertwined, but I will say that having safety regulations, public roads, public firefighters, clean air, and no slavery is very cool and wouldn’t exist if corporations were in complete control.
>>729121774>self centered man child who doesn’t like being told noAt their core, that's every dark side jedi.
>>729122771>>729122829>>729122916Those were things your government did and/or allowed to happen.
>>729123019who names their kid dooku anyways?
>>729123136We do, at least something close to it
>>729111154Just looking at what palpatines lightsaber is made of explains everything about his character
>>729123312Ultimately yes but that's because the entire political class has been captured by corporate money. They've sold out the future of the nation for short term profits.
Really felt good getting that traitor to face justice.
>>729121525The aesthetics have nothing to do with it. I'm not going to get into the politics of Star Wars of all things but the Republic was a corrupt institution and its end was a net benefit.
>>729123019Just because he has grey hair doesn't make him a grey Jedi anon
Amerilardasses...are WE the bad guys??
>>729124193Of course not!
>>729124193No, the muslim nazi communists are
>>729124193from my point of view, the jedi are evil
I'm not sure they were the good guys, morally speaking, but the best Star Wars character of all time was one of them, so they're all right in my book.
>>729124718He literally realized in his final moments that the Empire was awful and that his life was a lie though
>>729124654The Jedi were pretty fucked, they were an elite organization that was used as a police force while enforcing their religious doctrine onto the populace by forcibly indoctrination stolen children.
>>729124519>No, the leftists areBut they're american too
>>729111154He's a kindly old man.
>>729124904Yeah, but it's also how he met his dommy mommy gf.
>>729124654Friend you are crazy!
>>729123457>unicorn horns and fairy skeletonsdamn Lucas really wasn't being subtle at all lmao
>>72912531099% of the galaxy has never heard of a Jedi or even what the force is. You could be some lowly blue alien with 3 eyes, 4 limbs, and 7 feet tall, but your entire civilization is stuck at Roman levels of technological progression and you will go your whole life without ever seeing a starship or seeing a blaster or hearing the "hrrm" of a laser sword. Then maybe one day, some man cloaked in all black lands on your planet with ships the size of mountains, surrounded by thousands of men in white, armored uniforms and they annex your entire world. You try to fight back, but the man in black is choking you before you've even made your first move.
>>729126848She works on a place called “The Death Star”, and her boss regularly strangles officers, but she’s getting hung up on the Emperor being a bit insecure about his appearance? Is she retarded?
>>729111926True. Also, for as shit as it was, The Acolyte had great choreography and saber styles. I wanna see more of that in games.
