YOU CAN'T MAKE INHERENTLY EVIL SPECIES IN FICTION/YOUR WORK, BECAUSE I WILL COMPARE THEM TO BLACK PEOPLE IRL
a deity/wizard made them evil, problem solved
If you're not human or aligned with humans, your race is evil. Simple as.
>>729127587>"You're okay with magic and dragons and crippled adventurers but THIS is where you draw the line?"
>noooooooo nothing can be evil noooooooooooI'll never understand liberals *sigh*
>>729127587>EVIL RACES ARE A TERRIBLE GAME DESIGN! NO PEOPLE ARE TRULY EVIL BEYOND REPAIR!Damn, that's a good point...I guess Nazis are kinda okay, there was some good ones. So we should end anti-Nazi stigma.>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!
>>729127587>EVIL RACE? >WTF THAT'S LIKE BLACK PEOPLE>RACIST!!!!>BTW THAT'S BAD VIDEO GAME DESIGN EVEN THOUGH IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GAME DESIGN
>>729127587They're the same "people" who hate it when demons are evil, when god is good, when indiscriminate murder is taken 'too seriously', when a mass killing isn't secretly orchestrated by some other faction, who insist without end that True Evil is boring and should never be discussedYou already know who they're defending and it's not blacks.
>>729127587Im so glad this channel died. He was such a fake ass authority figure in the games industry.
>>729127587Wasnt there some sort of cope like "except nazis and kkk because they made a choice"?
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>>729127587Evil races are not game mechanics, they are story elements. He's confusing writing with game design.
>>729127587I’m not going to immediately criticize a race for being wholly evil in media, but “realistically” except for like literal demons, civilizations are too large to be entirely good or evil I’ve heard even Tolkien regretted portraying it that way
>>729127587Liberals hate black people more than you do, if you see an orc or any other fantasy race that's big, dumb, has no real culture other than a love of violence, and destroys anything good, and think "a-ha, they must be talking about black people" that's a level of high-grade racism I can never achieve.
Is it though? Distinct races being immediately visually identifiable as enemies at a glance sounds like GOOD game design
>>729128563>get tired of jewish communists/blacks murdering your neighbors>suddenly you're the bad guy
>>729128563I thought they wanted to stop having Nazis in games because even a negative depiction is a platform or something. Of course, that leaves us with WW2 games all about killing Fascisti and Imperial Japanese, which seems like a weird flex.
>>729128694I thought he went back and forth about it.
>Add Goblins to Fantasy GameYoutube Essayists: We need to talk about Antisemitism in Fantasy Game.
>>729127587fictional races are always "human, but one exaggerated trait" making them just shallower humans
>>729128709>Tolkien makes the Orcs>Normal/Right-wing people: The orcs represent industry and production progress at the cost of destruction of the environment and ultimately in an anti-human manner. They represent the powers that britain/tolkien fought against in their lives. They show how twisting a good thing like elves can make for a horrid and evil thing.>Leftists: THEY REPRESENT NIGGERS
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>>729128867You weirdos are all the same. You can't be satisfied with an elf or something like that, you need all your games to have a race selection like this:>Human>Sharkgirl>Jumping cactus>Marionette>Fire elemental>Giant intelligent friendly talking spider
>>729128898I leled.After rewatching the movies I have a new appreciation for the seethe JK Rowling caused
>>729129038Games are pretty fucking boring when your character selections are 'humans with various features' then the first fucking enemy type you fight are 8 foot tall sapient spider people with a whole fleshed out religion, culture and equipment progression.You ask yourself>Why the fuck can't I play as the technospider uniion dudes?
>>729129038What are pokemon?
>>729127587That's rather insulting to the fantasy races. Even they're not that evil.
Ermmm, yes.
>>729128694Houthis (the entire ME honestly)That african nation with a decapitation in their flagThe nation-sized amount of mobiks in russia
>>729129038I don't care about any of that, I just think there's no point in playing as a character that's just a restricted human
>>729128898>THEY ADDED A STAR OF DAVID TO THE BANK SO YOU KNOW THE GOBLINS ARE JEWS>actually the bank they filmed in just looks like that
>>729129804pure cohencidence
>>729129236Yeah i know you live in tel aviv
>>729129038Anon, this is just Pathfinder.
>>729127587The reified concept of evil is human, in that we abstract actions into essences ("an evil person"). An animal might commit infanticide, destruction without evil, while the same act committed by a human would be evil.In fiction, we extend this logic to all sentient characters. Yet sentient doesn't mean human, and a sentient race that sees humans as food is evil from a human viewpoint but not from its own. There is basically nothing wrong with this; either a fictional race is sentient and evil from an external viewpoint, or non-sentient and acting on animal instincts, therefore not evil.
>>729127587>[non-gameplay element] is bad game designWhat did he mean by this
>>729130027He can't make a good game
>>729128773Nah it's simpler than that, they want to erase them from history so they can have a second chance at success. They want you to think Germans just woke up one morning and said "Let's kill six million Jews"
>>729127587ah yes, brought to you by le heckin' epic industry insider game dev that only worked as a low level mook on some facebook games, and later on went to tell us that we're running out of internetI can't believe these people were taken seriously at all back in the day
>>729129116Final Fantasy 14 is really, really fucking guilty of this. There are multiple races with masses of lore and entire questlines but the only playable ones are humans, human cosplaying a dragon (onlyfans), human with pointy ears, bigger humans, human with cat ears, and potatoes. https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Allied_Society_Quests#A_Realm_Reborn_Allied_SocietiesSeriously look at all these beastmen races, and none of them are playable races. FF14's worldbuilding could fill some very thick books and the players get none of it.
>>729128010Humans are inherently evil
>>729127587>Inherently evil speciesYes it's bad because it shows lack of creativity.There needs to be a real plausible motivation for them to be "evil".Like, want to create a species that is highly genocidal to others? Make it so they became like that because evolutionary pressure forced them to recognize others as a threat for their own survival.Other examples: A species that's hard coded to think only about consuming and breeding, but that due to resources obviously not being unlimited started evolving to be aggressive. A parasitic species that must erase the line between themselves and others, ergo assimilating and control, simply so they can survive and reproduce.Creating an evil species and saying they are evil just for the sake of being evil itself is lazy writing.Even demons in the bible have a theological reason as for why they must be evil.TL;DR: You. must. give. explanations.
>>729128087"It's le evil" is a lazy cop-out
>>729130982And?
>>729131010>There needs to be a real plausible motivation for them to be "evil".Imagine being this high on woke for Doom '95 or a kids game.
>>729131010>You. must. give. explanations.No. You don't have to.
>>729131010usually it's because their deity is a prick who makes them be pricks
>>729131065You're human, so you're evil. Therefore your word can't be trusted.
>>729131068>>729131116Then enjoy having a boring species with no space for lore discussion or cross-media potential (novels and series).Even >>729131161 is a plausible explanation compared to just being evil for the sake of it.
>>729131010>you can't just make a race evil that's SO unrealisti-
>>729131010Reads like something resetera would post right before being asked about white people.
>>729127587I dunno man. It's been like, 4 years. Not only are you still obsessed with this video but you're also misrepresenting it. Seems kinda like, I 'unno, gay. Like you could've made a thread about video games. You could've played video games. Instead you're focusing on this nonsense still. Either you don't actually care about video games and just wanna argue about this instead, or you do care and feel that this stuff is a threat to them, but by continuing to be obsessed about it instead of supporting/highlighting/playing/talking about video games that you like and goes against this instead, you've successfully allowed them to dictate the conversation. Either way, kinda makes you out to be a fag. A big ollllllllllllllll gay nig nog.
>>729131210>no space for lore discussionAnd that's a good thing! I fucking hate you detabelords and your eternal drama over barbie and batman et al.
>Evil
>>729131210>or cross-media potential (novels and series).You had me until this part. The bait was a bit too obvious there bud.
>>729131010Psychopaths and serial-killers IRL don't have good reasons for being evil, it's usually just "my mom was mean to me when I was a bab so now I must be an evil fuck".Fiction shouldn't have to follow a higher standard than real life.
>>729131010all you have to do is downplay their intelligencedumb retards can be violent and everybody immediately intuits whyit's only an issue if you're going for dark elves or something75%% of evil races are stupid monstrous brutes, 20% are cunning, sniveling ghouls and the other 5% is elaborated upon
>>729129196Cute.
