babe wake up, new world of warships ship just dropped
>>729130809It looks like fucking shit, it's not practical regardless so why not make it look like the ships of old
>>729130809I hope Azur Lane makes a shipgirl that shit would be hilarious
>>729131027im assuming it's something like the kirov class the US navy came up with because trump insisted america should have battleships
>>729131236Prime mesugaki material.
I miss USS Long Beach.
funny how americans are making the same mistakes that lead to the downfall of the IJN
>>729131517>yeah i work out at the library
>>729132507The Americans are implementing Kantai Kessen and hoping to defeat their enemy in one big battle?
>>729132952i wouldn't be surprised if that's what trump envisions
After careful consideration, I will take trannies any day over this clown world administration
>>729130809Apparently they want a fucking railgun on the thing which is never gonna happen. We've been trying to make one for 30 years and nobody seems to understand that they're a giant meme.
At this point I just assume anyone sane left into the government is just coming up with more keys to jingle before the retard breaks anything else
this game is adding more AI slop to it?
>>729131517
what's the point of a battleship anyways, one rogue missile and 10% of your military budget goes up in flames
>>729135778Before militaries figured out how useful carriers were, battleships were the biggest guns for taking out ships at a range they couldn't retaliate. Also for shelling land targets to support ground troops. As technology evolved they lost their purpose to carriers or missile cruisers
>>729130809>290x174How many ants are needed to crew such a ship?
>>729133135Why though
>>729135987i don't really have positive to say about battleships as i'm seething to this day of how the IJN sacrificed zuikaku and the kido butai for yamato which did nothing but sit back in a port for 4 years. worst war crime the japanese commited during wwii right next to kamikaze attacksand the garbage trump is building isn't even a traditional battleship that is somewhat useful for coastal shelling, he's asking for a giant destroyer like the ones soviet navy built out of copium o algo
>>729130809>new battleship>looks inside>CG(X)
>>729130809cool, check my stealth ship
>>729132952>>729133071That's what every military planner since the 1960s has believed. The rate of expenditure will far exceed the rate of replacement. You're not turning toaster factories into tank factories like its WW2 in the age of modern tech.Everyone will shoot their wad and after 6-8 weeks whatever the current situation is after that will hold until a peace agreement is signed OR the world ends in nuclear hellfire.
>>729130809>implying even a single one will be builtLol lmao even, meanwhile chinks are building a fuckton of ships every year
>>729136221I agree on both points, but warfare tends to evolve through trial and error and given how battleships were kings of naval warfare pre-carrier, militaries were hesitant to go all in on carriers. Also when I saw Trump announcing the "battleship" it triggered my autism he kept calling it that
>>729136397like 10% of the french population is from africa, there's enough fresh meat to send to the meat grinder like it's wwiplus see>>729136704
It’s funny how in Black Ops 2, there’s a fictional aircraft carrier called USS Barack Obama, but the game takes place in 2025, and trump is the current president in the real world
>>729130809The Netherlands have already had this ship since the 1930's. Once again, the Dutch reign supreme
next up: uss charlie kirk
>>729136921It'll sink on its maiden voyage kek
stealth azur lane thread
What will they replace the railgun with when they give up on implementing one?
>>729130809>Fires a $10 million missile>gets overwhelmed by 10 flying lawn mowers worth $20k each.
>>729137012I'm gonna be pissed if I can't max Cleve Meta before the event ends
>>729132507Intercine warfare with the other branches of service?
planes and tanks i can understand, but i never understood warship combat
>quick, we need to come up with something to distract everyone from Epstein shit
at this point if you are going to build something so massive just stuff it with full size ICBMs since they could (probably) fit in there, all the power of a full size silo but you can move it, complementing the shorter ranged submarine missile fleetlasers, railgun, and all other stuff would be useful to defend itselfthen just park your unsinkable mobile icbm silo fields close to any offending country to make them seethe
>>729137579Warship combat is kind of a meme since it has not been fought since 1945
>>729137717falklands though
>>729137579Basically the goal of naval combat is to be able to move troops/cargo safely and support costal assaults. Different types of ships are meant to counter each other
>>729137781>argentinian air force humilliating bongs then losing because they had a grand total of 10 anti ship missiles and enough bombs for 3 days>british navy was such a joke an A-4 trainer with nothing but dumb bombs doing ww2-style dive bombing sank a cruiser
>>729137781It was mostly argie air Vs bong air and ships, I meant full on ship on ship combat.
>>729137658>then just park your unsinkable mobile icbm silo fields close to any offending country to make them seetheBut being close isn't really the point of ICBMs...
>>729137658and then you wake up
>>729136397>Everyone will shoot their wadNo fucking idea how someone can hold this belief after seeing Russians lose the majority of their military equipment and still charge into battle on horses. If it were frogs vs germs - sure, but chinks would just tell their bugs to charge with wooden spears and bring back trophy weapons.
>>729131517what goes on inside the cube?
>>729138456Gay shit
>>729138456Boat stuff.
where boat booba?
>>729138418I think the point he's trying to make is that everyone will use all their fancy expensive shit and if that doesn't somehow settle the conflict in the first couple of weeks everything will grind to a halt as you fall back to the bare minimum.
>>729136829what's your point?
>>729138547
>>729133174This implies someone showed Trump footage or Outer Haven in MGS4 and he was like, "Yes, I want that!"
durring wwii america outperformed every other nation due to their massive financial and industrial might.as of now eu and america are rich but don't have factories and china has all the factories but is not as richwho is more capable of war, idk. many say china has more manpower but they are suffering a fertility crisis and western countries have a bunch of immigrants they can use for cannon fodder
>>729138418Yeah that's the point.All the winderwaffles get used in the first weeks then its back to the men on the ground with guns dealing with whatever the result of that is.
if the US navy can actually MAKE A FUCKING SHIP, then im fine if its this.but we all know it'll never be built and they'll just build more burkes.
VGH...>>729139134people say this after watching the shitshow in ukraine but you guys are forgetting both russia and ukraine are jokes-they're no longer the soviet union anymore. we've never seen what a first world country(+china) is capable of when they transition into a war economy
>>729139134America spends more money and has a larger military than any other nation. Even putting aside the quality of soldiers, they could smoke any other country in a conventional war.
>>729139134You're delusional if you think immigrants will do any fighting. They'll just hop over to the next country like the parasites they are.
>>729139134Unless we're talking about a China vs India/Russia situation, a Pacific war is an air war first, naval war second and grind out ground battle dead last.>Chinese shipbuilding industry!The issue being that the entire Chinese coastline is in range of the US/Japan, and that much of what they need to fuel that industry is imported through the trade routes to the south, where naval chokepoints are extremely common.If you want to point to WW2 for clues, that's where the majority of US submarine operations took place to choke off Japan's oil and rubber imports. And as of right now, those areas are either controlled by US allies or the US itself.Think the Houthis shutting down the Red Sea, except done by a real military.The nearest point of Taiwan to the mainland is 80 miles, you can't just give retarded peasants a rifle and tell them to swim there.
>>729138456forbidden IJN technology
>>729139134>>729139345The answer is nothing because you can’t convert production lines for digital age technology like you could for industrial age technology. China’s manufacturing advantage is significant p, but only for pre-war build up. In a hot war the USN (+ friends) and PLAN will maul each other and whomever is left standing after that cataclysmic clash wins by default.
>>729139456>America spends more moneyOn shiny overpriced toys and what's essentially welfare for niggers and other retards who serve in the military
>>729139670>On shiny overpriced toys and what's essentially welfare for niggers and other retards who serve in the military>Note: the PLA is also doing this
It's gotta be a symbolic meme thing or something. Aren't big ships literally countered by Drones and shit? Like a literal Carriers vs Scourge interaction where cheap spammable Scourge destroy the super expensive ship that takes forever to construct, maneuver and are manned with thousands of workers?
>>729139670Those shiny toys are quite literally designed to be used by even the most braindead retard. For every meme ship or vehicle there's several more tried and tested effective weapons built. There's a reason other militaries try to buy America's old shit, it works.
>>729139648TALLER
>>729139792Yes, but chinks will be playing at home.
>>729139835>drones lmao. Large surface ships are countered by conventional cruise missiles but it’s not like there aren’t countermeasures for cruise missiles. Drones are too small, slow, and vulnerable to be effective against any dense air defense network. Ukraine and Iran have both demonstrated that repeatedly.
>>729139652oinkraine drones are hand-made, dji pumps them out daily. russia still uses the buhanka due to a lack of supply vehicles, toyota makes millions every year. do you really think AMD, TSMC, samsung, apple etc. can't make something as primitive as electronics for a tomahawk missile? the m1 ahbrams is decades old at this point. what about airbus, volkswagen, nippon steel, etc.? the reason these military meme junk are so expensive is because they're not mass produced. the GDP of fucking italy mogs russiaonly issue i see is lack of manpower, and that can be solved by sending immigrants to the frontline by force
>>729139936The US isn’t invading mainland China though. PLA would be on the offensive.
Uh oh
>>729139983>gdplmao>sending immigrants to the frontlinelmao>by forceLMAO
>>729139989What's the distance from mainland China to Taiwan and mainland US to Taiwan?
>>729140035No amount of nothingburger graphs can substitute reality. They can't even take an island five french feet away from them.
>>729139983>by sending immigrants to the frontline by forceWhere they'll promptly surrender or switch sides, nice job, retard
>>729140159A better question is what’s the distance between a US base to Taiwan vs a Chinese base
>>729140206comrade trotsky already showed us the solution a century ago
>>729140265That would be mean. Worse, racist.
>>729140227Unless the US has chronosphere, that base is useless without resupply.
>>729140349just say the army is being inclusive and offering immigrants opportunities duh
what the chances Trump forgets about this within a few weeks and the navy pretending they are totally building it while doing nothing about shipyards just pocketing the money until the program is cancelled
>>729140035There's something to be said about the entirety of the Chinese coastline (and its shipyards) being in range of ground based offensive systems in Asia, and that the war goals of any potential Pacific conflict revolve around the PLAN blockading and invading an island that's even closer to US assets.You can't sink the Phillipines, Korea or Japan, and the PLA certainly doesn't have the capability to establish air superiority over them.People keep trying to frame a PLAN vs USN conflict like it's WW2 IJN vs USN, where American shipyards were always entirely out of range of the enemy and the final war goal was a potential invasion of Japan.The inverse of that is not the case with China. Their shipbuilding capabilities are well known and located. You can't pull a USSR and move your military shipbuilding facilities over the Urals and then transport frigates to the front via rail.All the US has to do (and generally, is aiming to do) is to make a blockade and invasion of Taiwan impossible. That means turning the Taiwan Strait into a drone infested minefield, and keeping air superiority over the sea.There's a genuine question to be asked of what the point of building more ships for a war that's 80 miles from your coast, when you could just build more planes and missiles.The answer is basically just for logistics to support an invasion, but ships aren't going to make the invasion of Taiwan possible. At least, not alone.>>729140441That "base" is the entire northern part of the Philipines and the southern part of Japan. The PLAN cannot blockade those *and* Taiwan, let alone establish air superiority out that far.
>>729140504try again in english
>>729140504>what the chances Trump forgets about this within a few weeksTry a few days
china has no intent of invading taiwan, it's all a distraction from the mohoyo files
>>72913676210% is too much but yeah, they can be useful if the situation dictate it.
>>729140594Did he even say it or is this another twitter joke of his that every media outlet is taking completely seriously and blowing out of proportion because reporting on what Blumf had for breakfast this morning is the pinnacle of modern journalism
>>729140756It's literally on the news, you can check it for yourself
>>729140756it was official with the sec of defense and navy joining in, its not even the strangest part
>>729130809Never gonna happen. US simply doesn't have the capacity to build anything like that anymore. Trump will probably ask China to make them for him, kek.
>>729130809not even legends has missile frigates. thats that weird zoomer naval phone game
>>729139648
>>729140756Retard
>>729130809Doesn't a POTUS need to serve in the armed forces to have a ship named after him, let alone an entire ship class?
>>729130809We'll see these monsters glassing China in our life time
>>729141067No need to sign your posts here.
>>729141086its just normal convention to do it that way but Im sure by now you've realized that even laws won't stop the adminstration from just doing what it wants, let alone a little handshake agreement to politely withhold from doing certain things. or maybe youve ignored all news for the last few years?
>>729141086They'll never be actually built so don't worry about that
>>729141086he's just shitposting to keep the media from sabotaging his attempts to fix the economy.
>>729141191*shipposting
>>729141218heh. good one.
>>729131027seething thirdie
>>729141218Kek
>>729133174>Apparently they want a fucking flying machine on the thing which is never gonna happen. We've been trying to make one for 30000 years and nobody seems to understand that they're a giant meme.t. 1900 retard.
Given the timing... what are the chance Drump got that idea because Macron announced France's 2nd carrier and realized ships can be named after a president?
>>729135778Go look at sinkex videos, it takes dozens of missiles to sink a carrier. Everyone parrots this one missile kill shit because a bunch of unarmored britboxes got fucked up in the falklands. The US builds ships with extra survivability in mind.
>>729141353how much does a few dozen missiles cost vs. a single carrier and its payload of jets and missiles?
>>729141331>the world is revving up for another period of war what are the chances that two countries heavily involved in the global market are thinking about ships pretty high i'd wager
>>729136704Chinese navy will never leave the south china sea or it will be eaten by US sub force.
>>729133174Japan and china already have ship mounted railguns
Whats the point of bigger shipIsnt bigger ship just bigger target?Bigger gun? Why do you need bigger cannons when missiles are the meta?It carries more missile launchers? More than an aircraft carrier? I doubt it
>>729141541Because ships aren't built out of wood anymore. More ship means more material to work through to get to the guts and operating areas of the ship.
>>729141541his idea is probably grug brain "bigger must mean better" that and probably wanting some sort of pr win
>>729141379Less, but you aren't landing every missile, half or more are being intercepted. Nobody has even shown long range hypersonics of being capable of hitting a moving target anyway.
>>729141090Can't wait famalam, tired of chinks.
>>729141191Tariff checks any day now..
>>729137717I was under the impression that despite all the hype, the Battle of Jutland was the ONLY major battleship vs battleship combat in history.Everything else was either small duels (Bismarck sinking Hood) or Carrier action (Pacific theather)
>>729141353>the admiral got blown apart along with the bridge and our radar doesn't work anymore meaning we aren't sure if we can get back to port for repair that could take weeks before eating a torpedo but hey, at least it didn't sink in a single hit like the guy who i argued with on 4cuck said
>>729142726pretty much, admirals always got spooked when attempting to deploy bbs since they were massive investments so losing one was a pain unless said bbs were part of an overwhelming force, they were extremely desperate, or they think an area is safe enough, its also why bbs went out of fashion since anything they could do other ships can do but for far cheaper
>>729139134>have a bunch of immigrants they can use for cannon fodderAnd what makes you think they'll do that?
>>729141086Why? Because some old rule said so?He's the leader of the nation, the only reason he can't change it is entirely social.What military leader is gonna risk showing his back to every knife in the room by trying to arrest him ""legally""
>>729130809>trump classcan the man not keep his ego in check of one minute?
>>729143327I like how tradition matters except when it doesn't.
>>729137717not even, WW2 pacific fights were planes vs ships.
>>729141541because giant ass warships have serious area denial potential and control a wide sphere of influence by basically being made out of gunssmaller ships can operate in the sphere because if something tries to attack the USS big dick has a railgun on it that lobs a dumpster directly up your assits basically a mobile fortress that others can operate around and are extremely hard to sink
>>729143581These things have been named after US Presidents since before orange hitler was born, lil bro
>>729143862>extremely hard to sinktell that to prince of wales and yamato
>>729143759I like how you're consistently retarded in every conversation you attempt to participate in.
>>729144065Aircraft carriers are named after presidents, battleships were always named after states. And naming a ship class after yourself while you're a president is some banana republic-tier move.
>>729141090By the time the US navy cancels this program like the last 3 classes, PLAN will have >100 type 055s
>>729144275the first ship will be named uss defiant not uss trump though
>>729144223Yamato was sunk when the US was glassing Tokyo on the regular and Japan had basically zero airpower left
>>729144361Ship class has cheeto man's name though. Which is pretty weird since the name of the first ship in a class = class' name.
>>729130809Bro is making Ace Combat boss.
>>729137579The idea is to use all of your guns to lob nuclear shells over the coastline
>>729144230You are a mental midget compared to me.
>>729137579play Sea Power: Naval Combat in the Missile AgeEssentially, naval combat is almost entirely dependent on how good your tech is and how much missiles you have.Surface combat can be boiled down to>who can spot the enemy first>who has more and better missiles to launch and how far away you can launch them (by ship or plane)>who has more and better counter-missile missiles to launchIt gets more complex when submarines are involved>how hard is it to detect your subs>how high iq is your sub captain>pretty much nothing else
>>729144984That's not what your mother said to me last night :P
>>729130809Big, beautiful boat. Crooked Hillary and sleepy Joe would never.
I don't even know why we're building these. Trump is obviously too scared to go up against China, which is why he quietly dropped all the 200% tariffs and is even telling Japan to stop being mean to them. And Trump is clearly trying to be friends with Russia instead of starting a war. So what's the reason for building these ships? War with Venezuela? Clearly the US doesn't need it.
>>729145485don't worry your pretty little head over the most basic geopolitics and negotiations bby gurl.
>>729144935>nuclear shellsBased I'm a big fan of weapons that help with the escalation to all out nuclear war.
>>729142726Nah Tsushima saw how effective they were when used decisively. It's also helped convince so many navies to go all in on Battleships, since only the ships main batteries did anything.Jutland actually reinforced this, since the Battlecruisers suffered immensely compared to the proper Battleships. So in the interwar period you get a bunch of navies doubling down on the Battleship concept.
It won't be built. They just cancelled the Burke replacement that had been in the works for 11 years and billions of dollars wasted.
>>729145552President of peace BTW
>>729145060why don't they just improve anti-missile defences on the ships?
>>729130809Is the game any better now? I played it every day from its closed beta to about 2023 when I just quit out of frustration because of stupidly broken ships, Russian bias, and static meta I only played ranked in the last year or so, is it any better now?
I was under the impression that ships are obsolete and the Navy says they don't need more even though Congress keeps spending on them.
I will only care when Japan makes a cute little girl out of it.
>>729145837the navy does want more ships, but they stated they wanted the smaller variety that don't need a large crew count, not the thing Trump wants them to now make
I am not excited for this new age of American presidents that do fucking retarded shit every week to distract from the last retarded shit they did and every single news outlet writing a thousand articles about all the retarded shit at all times.
>>729146028>new age???
>>729146057yes, new age, you gaslighting piece of shit.
>>729141353Carrier groups will be getting tactical nuke(s), not regular ballistic missiles, when shit hits the fan.
>>729136397Russia showed that line of thinking is fucking wrong and having a working industry is important for winning a war still but w/e
>>729146096>new>age
