When did the shift happen?
It did not "happen". In most games demons are still demons. You need to take your meds.
>>729143712Shalom, Moishe
>>729143637Planescape Torment
>>729143637Around the same time people who unironically made this and thought it would be good became the only people making the media we see.
I hate the idea of demons being born.They should be a creature of process.Like you only become a demon because you do X.In the movie Blade, there's this line "I was BORN a vampire" from these snooty fuckers and my reaction is 'Why.'So, they can age? Vampires? Age? I thought the whole dark temptation is that they fucking don't. Christ.
It's astounding how shit Nerfnow is. Even Buckley managed to tell a half decent joke once or twice.
>>729143637planescape torment came out 99
>>729143637The church is easy to make into a villainous faction because religious iconography is frequently kinda spooky and it's easier to have an evil god than to have the problems come from like an evil president or something. More dramatic, too.
>>729143712In Expedition 33, the demons are literally the good guys. GOTY btw.
>>729143845I can't believe how hideous this fucking character is
>>729143637Around the time that nigger apologists started thinking that everyone obviously sees orcs as a stand-in for niggers so they need to be made noble to thwart your damn dirty racism
>>729143905WTF I thought people said this game was based
>>729143869>BORN a vampireThis would be fine if it was because their pregnant mother became a vampire or died and they were cut out of her and stayed physically a baby even as their mind matured
>>729143869It's been long enough that the word "vampires" has been used to describe a completely absurd spectrum of creatures. I don't know if there's a SINGLE characteristic that can connect EVERY creature called a vampire. MAYBE drinking blood? Though there's like psychic vampires and emotional vampires and dumb crap like that so not even.
>>729144047agreed.
>>729143918I think it's mostly laziness because church is supposed to be good and righteous so making it evil is subversive and interesting and it's easy to do because most people on some level associate the church with bad stuff like diddling kids
>>729144143One thing all the variations should've agreed on is that they DON'T FUCKING AGE.It's the entire benefit of the fucking curse.
>>729144228why must a curse have a benefit?
>>729143813Correct answer.
>>729144143They feed on vitality or a person's life essence, blood is basically just an easy way to represent that but it doesn't need to be blood
>>729144296Well then it's just aids, innit.
>>729144001And it is.
>>729143958In expedition 33 you are literally in a world made by a grieving mother and a fraction of a soul of her son.
>>729144296If it didn't why would they endure instead of just killing themselves?
I'm fairl sure that le misunderstood demons in the recent DMC show were widely ridiculed.
>>729144372Dante’s father was a demon and always a good guy from the start of the franchise.
>>729144353what makes you think that a folklore creature metaphorically representing how the upper class preys on the lower classes needs some sort of game balance?
>>729143712Who do you think you're fooling, subhuman?
>>729144453Because they metaphorically represent the upper classFundamentally they are leeching off of those beneath them in order to live the good life, they need to have it pretty good or the story falls apart
>>729144572but the upper class literally leech off of the lower class already and yet they are not unaging. curious.it's almost as if the leeching itself is the benefit.
>>729144446Was he also a muslim "migrant" getting bombed by Americans? He's special because he was one of the only "good" ones.>>729144372Second season on the way, retard.
>>729144667WHY ARE YOU STILL REPLYING.HE BLEW YOU THE FUCK OUT WITH THAT SIMPLE EXPLANATION AND YET YOU'RE STILL YAPPING.HOLY SHIT.
when the nerds started taking HRT
>>729144857because he is wrong? why else?
>>729144667The leeching is represented by them literally draining people of blood and using that to sustain themselves, they suck the life out of a person and prolong their own. You moron.
>>729143712don't rot about the truth, axewoundthey made lillith the good guy and angels the bad guys in diablothey made angels the bad guys in doomthey always do this because the hate Christianityyou are a gross lying piece of shit
>>729144730Don’t care about the TV show, it sounds like fan fiction. Just pointing out that demons were never evil by nature in DMC.
>>729144920what does that have to do with being unaging though
>>729145008>demons were never evil by nature in DMCYes they were, it's precisely why the single outlier was so noteworthy
>>729145001why does that matter to you ? you hate christianity as well
>>729145001JRPGs ‘hated’ Christianity since longer that you been statistically alive if you post here.
>>729145051If it’s by nature there wouldn’t be an outlier. They have a capacity to change.
>>729145183>If it’s by nature there wouldn’t be an outlierThis just isn't worth properly responding to
>>729145001christianity is a stupid jewish larp designed specifically to bilk morons and the elderly out of their time and money. all churches are for profit organizations that are effectively a front for the largest money laundering operation in the universe.you don't need to read ancient fan fiction or listen to rich gum-flappers to be one with god
>>729145079>>729145132oh no poor looneytroon got mad and started projecting :(you really don't need to cut your cock off about the truth dude
>>729143958
>>729145281wait until you hear about this guy Martin Luther.
>>729143637I prefer the version where they all want to suck dicks
>>729143637It's already full circles.Subverting expectations is now if demons are actually just evil.
>>729145281You're watching all your women become sex workers on onlyfans in real time, and you'll sit there claiming we don't need organized religion.
>>729145481That's the work of an organised religion but ok
>>729143905What can change the nature of a man?
>>729145554I mean you're not wrong, but unless we do some IQ boosting eugenics we're gonna need the normalfags programmed by some belief system so we can have nice things
>>729145480It’s genuinely insane how so many people saw demons being portrayed as malevolent psychos that use words as weapons to fuck people over and immediately got buttmad thinking that they were being targeted
>>729145713pussy from a reformed succubus
>>729145787Throw an insult on the ground and the owner will pick it up.
>>729145787"people"
>>729145249You don’t understand what nature means clearly.
>>729145464https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7MBGpZK9wg
>>729145374>Kefka’s boss form cycles through famous Christian artwork. Surely this doesn’t mean anything.
it's the usual subversion cycleconsider that many classics were edgy sunversion of dominant genre's of their timelike Nicollo Machiavelli's The Price and Don Quixotte.Eventually prople get bored and jump on a different trend, which eventually gets dull and is eventually subverted.This shit has been going on since ancient times, the earlies example I can think of is the Demiurge, invented in a time when the consensus was that the material world was a good thing and thus it's creator must be good too.
>>729145787Especially when the show had up to the point where they show a bunch of demon "refugees" every single demon was violent, murderous, and had no problem killing humans. Then the Alice in Wonderland allegory is taking to 11 and the show suddenly wants me to feel bad about the mass murderer who wants to commit genocide for the demons. Pajeet Shankar can fuck off.
>>729143637Well done, Nerfnow, well done, however...
>>729146059>don quixotte was a edgy subversionNo, it was a funny parody that also held some emotional themes as a story of a man trying to bring idealistic knightly chivalry into a world that abandoned it.
>>729143918>>729144163It's honestly just lazy as shit>ooo scary cult folks. Watchout.Wouldn't it make much more sense to depict a church as fractured factions? Each offering a new perspective on whatever deities they're worshipping?Maybe you can have a faction that worships the goddess of peace, but then another faction says to prioritize the god of war because their nation is in turmoil.There's nuance to this, especially in a world where magic, arcane, gods and angels and demons exist, religion would be OBJECTIVELY powerful in your day to day life, kind of hard to skip your temple day when Zeus might just come and fuck your ass.But ofcourse, people are too pussy to try the water, let alone, dive into the pool.
>>729143637Case of irony accidentially made into straight idea.>"Demons are evil">"Demons are evil, but attempt to pretend they are good, beware">"Demons are evil, so let's put a comical demon, who thinks he is good, but actually causes even more evil inadvertedly">"Demons are evil, so let's put a comical demon, who are stereotypically good">"Demons are evil, so let's put a unusual demon, who are actually good">"Demons are viewed as evil, so let's make demons unusual through making them not being evil">"Demons are viewed as evil, but what if it is only a stereotype, so everybody else is evil toward innocent demons?">"Demons aren't evil, you are!"Unfortunately (like with everything else) one good idea ("what if some people from the outside aren't all bad") is either missapplied (to clearly evil by nature demons) or (in cases when it is correct, with humans irl) is often redirected from balanced suggestion to think, check information and allow for variety of thoughts into fanatical slogans and, how some people like to justify themselves, "logical conslusion", which is only logical for two-bit brained retards, who think that the suggestion to be balanced is actually a suggestion to full anarchy - such people only see a "current direction" and don't understand, that the end goal is not when you can't walk further up this direction, but somewhere in the middle.
>>729146152Now it's a proper rpg maker h-game
Black side character wants to make sure his goals are fulfilled, and is willing to take some risks.BLM bottom is tired of the patriarchy stopping him.
>>729145947Enlighten me, please.
>>729143637I like dick sucking succubi as much as the next guy (and that's a lot) but I'll take the second one if it means she's not sucking any of your dicks
>>729143712Mundus from Devil May Cry did nothing wrong
>>729146152Pollyanna sounds like wife material despite the implications of her name.
>>729143712I just finished a guild wars 2 expansion where ghoulish looking abominations that posses people and consume their essence from inside out were actually misunderstood race of nice guys forced to do bad things by chud demon king. It was so fucking stupid actually made me chuckle.
I just want a game that lets me side with the demons without trying to make them out to be anything other than vile monsters
>>729146279Nature is an immutable part of something that cannot be changed.
>>729143637when lioerals thought orcs = blacks and demons = muslims
>>729146840I want a game that lets me abuse civies againOblivion being censored to the point of no corpse abuse is a really bad sign. WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE IMAGINARY PEOPLE!?
>>729143637Tumblr
>>729146995Actually orcs are mexicans
>>729146840Feeling reaaaaaaal subtle today, are we, mister satanic shill?
>>729143637I would die for modern Pollyanna
>>729145281The Bible in no uncertain terms depicts monetizing the Church as one of the few things one can do to make Jesus angry.
Are there any RPGs where alignment actually matters?
>>729145480Is frieren a chud?
>>729146895Mutants exist even irl. And in case of magical demonic demons with evil being actual energy, that forms the nature, "good" mutation by birth, "divine good" radiation or just straight-up one-on-a-million chance of obtaining psychological-to-physiological change in the world with magic and good-evil being both psychological and physiological entities form a pretty solid possibility.
>>729143637Post-modern subversion shit. Yes it gets very tiresome. That said, of all of those I have a bit of a soft spot for the whole Scarlet Crusade gimmick. I feel like there's room for both sweet and naive clergy and big fire and brimstone zealots in most settings
>>7291436372016.Clinton lost to Trump and the collective American Left had their brains broken.
>>729147386>WoWslop
>>7291436379/11/2001, when the Anti-Christ turned 2.
>>729147239Tons of them all the way from the gold box era of CRPGS to the BG1 and 2 and those infinite engine era CRPGs.
>>729143637Reminder that Ultima 5 did all of the things on the right.
>>729143637I like evil monsters and evil churchVideo games should have comically evil settings so you feel good killing everyone for XP
>>729143637retards and liberals insufferable need to be subversive
In Christian theology, it's impossible for a demon (i.e. a fallen angel) to ever be good or repent or redeem itself, because angels are so unfathomably wise and intelligent that their natures are nigh-immutable, similar to God himself. Humans are basically children, they know not what they do; angels DO know what they do and do it anyways, meaning it's impossible to change their minds. That's why the concept of a demon is so absurd. If they're capable of good then they're not demons, so why call them that?
>>729147560>the concept of a good demon*
>>729147421It was the first thing that came to mind besides my favorite Disneyslop.
>>729147560Except that one angel who totally changed his mind that one time and it was a pretty big thing
>>729147560And where did the games say they're using biblical demons?
>>729147560demons predate christian theology, and modern fantasy doesn't need to adhere strictly to christian theology no matter how derivative of it that it is.
>>729147560The ones Jesus cast into the pigs repent and receive mercy, you’re wrong
>>729147560Not every game is trying to be accurate Christian theology. Still, the "misunderstood race of demons" thing is really played out and way too heavy-handed a metaphor to prompt anything other than an eye roll.
>>729145001why do you talk like that
>>729143637When RR Martin and his ilk took over the literature scene
>>729143905People forget that it's everyone else trying to be Planescape Torment that has led to this shit.
>>729143637>Devil May Cry by Netflix
>>729147640>>729147672I don't expect fantasy demons to adhere to Christian mythology 1:1, but again, I don't see the point in calling them demons if they lack the one trait that defines them as demons (i.e. their omnimalevolence). It's like having vampires that don't suck blood.
Some underage on /v/ will write a post like "when did YOU realize X was actually Y and Y was actually Z" and a buncha other underages will just hallucinate in a circle giving him responses like "oooh i know i know, when X was W!" "when i left first grade!" "when [thing that didn't happen] happened!"
>>729147560Angels would have to have free will though, or they wouldn't be able to fall in the first place. It's more that the odds are some random bumfuck human whose conscious existence is less than an eye's blink to them with their limited perception is going to convince a demon not to continue their rebellion against Sky Dad is about as high as OP not being a faggot and most alleged recordings interactions of men and demons in history have the demons possessing and violating some shmuck's own will, which isn't a very conductive environment to hold a debate.A good demon...is an angel. A criminal angel...is a demon. That's all they truly are beyond the trappings of fantastical mystique, criminals. To argue their "goodness" is to argue the goodness of imposing one's will over others.
>>729147860There are vampires that don't suck blood
>>729146995Deus Orcs = Black people was a /tg/ meme that broke containment via former anon's with trolls remorse integrating into the modern tabletop scene.
>>729147560>If they're capable of good then they're not demons, so why call them that?It's easier to claim that you have created something new by changing something that everyone already knows than it is to actually create something new.
>>729147860>the one trait that defines them as demons (i.e. their omnimalevolence).... in christian thought.pre-christian demons were neither good nor evil.
>>729147923There are members of your family that don't suck dicks and yet here you are
>>729147923Owned that homo
>>729143637That's basically a Sinfest comic.
>>729147992Yeah, the English word "demon" etymologically comes from the Greek daimon/daemon, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about demons, which are explicitly and by definition malevolent spirits, regardless of etymological baggage. The Japanese oni is a demon. The Hindu Asura is a demon. The Buddhist Mara is a demon
>>729147992Post nose and demon horns hidden under tiny hat.
>>729147992Daemons=/=Demons. The latter are demons because they are unrepentant sinners.Early Christians were perfectly willing to tolerate the belief and veneration of spirits as long as said spirits were acting within the Commandments. Saint Brigid gets thrown a lot, but there's a lot of African deities whose tribes' Christianization simply entailed not referring to them by the Big Guy's name and not calling asking them for help prayer.On the opposite end of the spectrum Christians have an aneurysm over ancestor worship even though it's a minor issue of semantics separating it from requesting an intercession from the saints.
>>729148147you're talking about devils thoughbeit.and desu the only reason christianity promotes the idea that demons are irredeemably evil is so they can lump all pre-christian divine entities into one convenient bucket to disregard.
>>729148187the tiny hats that They wear wouldn't even be able to hide demon horns so there can't be any demon horns
>>729148306The are very tiny. Demon blood has been diluted due to intermarriage.
>>729148270Wrong. Demon means spirit, spirit means wind. Demons are sentient wind, like souls, like that in man. They can be good or bad, but most don’t actually exist and are used by God to toy with people. God is a spirit, and no false gods exist. He is an invisible entity that appears like wind.
>>729148378It's not an issue of size but placementDemon horns don't grow where the tiny hat can hide
>>729148296Again, we're being semantic here and bogged down in the limitations of etymology. The point is, in the universal consciousness of English speakers, when they say the word "demon", they're referring to a mythological spiritual creature defined by its malevolence. We're talking about a metaphysical concept here that transcends the limitations of language
>>729148296There were demons in Judaism and Zoroastrianism, which are the main influences of Christianity.>Zoroastrian demons, called Daevas, are malevolent spirits led by the destructive principle Angra Mainyu (Ahriman), representing chaos and lies that oppose the good order of the supreme God, Ahura Mazda. They cause corruption, disease, and death, tempting humanity to stray from righteousness, with specific daevas like Nasu (corpse decay) and Apaosha (drought) embodying destructive forces in the world, influencing later religious concepts of evil.
>>729148430We can know the horn placement based on the hats the demon spawn wear to hide them.
>>729148418what's that thing lying on top of your books?
>>729148480Demons are notable for actual possession, in which the face often contorts or as in King James, the entire body is transformed. James saw a man possessed so intensely he grew in size and floated in the air. The ironic part is this was all just as Jesus said>as you believe, so it shall be performedThe demon didn’t actually exist, and when their belief faltered a bit the possession stopped.
>>729148560Look buddy I've seen Little Nicky like 60 times, I know where the horns grow
>>729143637No idea but it sucks.Together with the fucking notion we can't have a 'normal' good ending in which MC doesn't end up as burned out husk PTSD victim with half of his family murdered.Fuck misunderstood demons and fuck biter sweet 'nuanced' endings.While we're at it: let's shoot every fucking retard dev who makes a mid game battle with demon lord's general where you totally obliterate the sorry fucker only to be show as almost destroyed, bloody bag of meat with barely 1 HP left in following cinematic, while the fucker gloats and laughs at your ''weak'' ass.
>>729148579A “coffee” book of Gustave Dore’s amazing artistry
>>729145787those "people" have a guilty conscience.If they didn't, they wouldn't feel targeted by that specific description of evil.They know that deep down they're manipulative bastards.
>>729148626>While we're at it: let's shoot every fucking retard dev who makes a mid game battle with demon lord's general where you totally obliterate the sorry fucker only to be show as almost destroyed, bloody bag of meat with barely 1 HP left in following cinematic, while the fucker gloats and laughs at your ''weak'' ass.Do people still do this? Let's rail about forced stealth detection = game over missions.
>>729148418Clearly some false gods did exist, there would be no Pharaohs nor Caesar to antagonize the Jews. The point is that it is irrelevant whether they are a supernatural spirit or a politician pulling magic tricks or a dumb prop, to worship any of those things is to surrender one's self to an eventuality of imperfection and ignorance, and only God is free of this threat for only God is the Perfect, Platonic Ideal of a Consciousness, which is what makes Him God.
>>729148418>>729148649Why are you so fucking bad at taking pictures with your phone?
>>729148716They've just heard "people" like you spread these kinds of nasty rumours about them before and know how it ends
>>729148746>Do people still do this?Last game I remember was Xenoblade Chronicles 2 but it was pretty frequent thing in older JRPGs.
>>729145787>demons being portrayed as malevolent psychos that use words as weapons to fuck people overBut they aren't that. The story just PRETENDS demons are that but then it turns around and has them shit and piss themselves over Frieren performing an extremely obvious act of deception
>>729148763You’re wrong. God specifically uses prophets and we can date the scripture of the prophecies where he warns of the nations coming to destroy them for iniquity.The designation for demons is that it is something comes from a man’s belief. De (of) men. I’ve seen one girl possessed for a moment, trust me
What are some being evil games, besides Overlord?
>>729148776>MAXIMUM UPLOAD IS 4MB>FUTABA DEMANDS ALL IMAGES BE SKEWED IF TAKEN FROM JOSH’S PHONE TO AN AUTOMATIC 90 DEGREE ANGLEI been here a while
>>729148746I feel like SMTVV did it with one or more of the sexy jewish prostitutes
>>729148601>demonic propaganda
>>729148828>The designation for demons is that it is something comes from a man’s belief. De (of) men.oh wowProtestants should just never attempt exegesis
>>729143637Between 2006 and 2016.All those cultural knee jerk shifts happened in those ten years and we are just living with their consequecies.
>>729148898So why are the Christians suffering so with their belief to be plagued by demons? Not that you care to even debate, you’re a negro
>>729148601Master over lies can show you just whatever he wants you to see. Anyway, there are that small top hats, that some japanese pop misic IDORU wear with some of their costumes, always on the side of the head.
>>729145713A miserable pile of secrets!
This is why i always liked elder scrolls where the individual still exists but races are like 70% stereotype. There will always be a savage orc, a thieving khajit or bosmer, a scheming altmer, a dunmer engaged in horriffic crimes against nature and man, imperials and bretons acting snooty, redguards are mysterious desert people feared or revered for their swordsmanship
>>729148932You can suffer over anything. If I make up in my head an invisible monster that will torture you if you don't slam your head against a block of cement for one hour every day and convince someone it's real they'll suffer quite a bit over that nonsensical idea.
>>729143637Need a game with left succubus and right priestess.
>>729148763The ancient Israelites worshiped Baal (or some would say Qos) and sacrificed children to him.
>>729143813lolMore like Ultima VI. 1990 nigga.
>>729145001I hate poltards so muchOne of the demons noy being chaotic evil doesn't mean all demons are good guys.Angels and demons in Doom are just aliens. Also you are playing nu-doom so please end yourself..Christianity has done some shitty stuff, from erasing culture and having fuckton of corruption. Just because they have done something good, doesn't erase the bad shit they have done and still does.You just kneejerk react to someone criticizing or making fun of Christianity for some reason. It is a religion that has been mainstream in west and hasn't been allowed to be criticized for centuries without serious consequences no matter what the church did.Also as others said, JRPGs. Christians got tilted over DnD, Doom, and Pokemon. Now you are here larping as some Christian or even worse getting offended by most mainstream religion in western world.
>>729148932>So why are the Christians suffering so with their belief to be plagued by demons?In your case it's because you're not taking your meds.
>>729148828What I am saying is that they are example of physical beings whose existence we can verify who were worshiped as gods while also shedding light as to why worshiping things that are not God is a negative thing in a purely philosophical manner. Even today, idolatry is a pervasive force which leads men astray, better known under the moniker of populism.
>>729148995So why do people that believe, as Jesus said, in only good, still suffer?
>>729148830Try CarrionYou're a tentacle monsterYou grow by eating people after you murder them in very bloody manner.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1xL6Ft4iao
>>729148828>De (of) menYeah surely that's what the Greek translators intended, right, dipshit?
>>729148950Look buddy I know about idols in tiny hats, people on /jp/ used to post things like "oh god it's YOU" or "damn this guy really likes tiny hats" when tiny hats came up in AKB general during my posting hours
>>729149016>and still does.we got a live one
>>729149032>What I am saying is that they are example of physical beings whose existence we can verify who were worshiped as godsFascinating
>>729149036If you only believe in good you're actively denying reality in front of you, as evil undeniably exists. Denying reality will constantly cause you stress because you'll have to bend over backwards to maintain your beliefs.
>>729149032A lot of those statues were actually not even devotional. The real God gets pissed about that stuff and destroys it quite often. The groves for instance, almost no record exists of a grove for devotion. Stonehenge actually has characteristics of ancient Judaic sacrifice (whole, uncut stones) more than any pagan rites. Even in Rome, most of the statues are likely of heroes of the time that later were glorified by poets and then worshipped in error. Any country that has false gods is literally niggard, he hates the “strangers,” and demon spirits even are black usually, though I’ve seen some nice ones courtesy of my Lord
>>729149057Where do you think we got our words? We were taught words like we taught the Mexicans who use many of our words
>>729143813>Planescape TormentFall-from-Grace (the most obvious parallel with the picture) is not "aroace". She's still a succubus with an insatiable drive for sucking souls and dicks, but she deliberately tries to be the opposite of that. Dak'kon is a straight fantasy zen Buddhist whose neat ascent to Nirvana was permanently disrupted by meeting (you). Annah is as straight a cockney thief as it gets. Ignus is just angry and evil, no tweests about it aside form personal connection to (you). Same with Vheilor, only it's angry and lawful. Mordom is a very conventional Pinocchio. All the Ba'aatezu we meet are genuinely, certainly, unironically evil. Except for Fhjull and he's stil la huge asshole. Also we have a Literal Lucifer-Ass Fallen Angel whose entire role in the story is going >"muh grey and grey">"muh good is not actually good, muh bad is not actually bad">"it's all so complex and intertwined muh evil let me tell of of evil and hypocricy of angels"We then get to make him FUCKING TOLD about him going against the Celestial Order and it fucks him up on a transcendental level >"Have you forgotten the face of your father, Trias?"
>>729149103You are moving the goalpost.Jesus says that all that you believe will be done.How then does evil exist? These people desperately wait on these demons.
>>729149209Well Jesus is just wrong then.
>>729149103>Denying reality will constantly cause you stress because you'll have to bend over backwards to maintain your beliefs.Some people have found it more expedient to bend reality. It works, for a while, through sustained effort.
>>729148783Ironic that I didn't say which group I was talking about and yet you felt an urge to reply as if I was talking about you.
>>729149216There it is. You’re a nigger, not a man of debate
>>729149156Look, you're almost endearing in your profound ignorance, if you weren't being a chauvinist prick over it
>>729149278Ad hominem is not rebuttal
>>729149231Not that ironic, there was easily enough context in the entire reply chain to pinpoint the group in question
>>729143637>but i like it in my animay XD
>>729149303and yet you felt called out. Curious.
>>729149301lol you said butt
>>729149257Jesus says demonstrably wrong things. If he says all you believe in will be done, he's just flat out wrong. If he says demons exist, he's wrong, too, there's zero proof of that either.
>>729149336>and yetWhat?
>>729149375https://youtu.be/wymk5ABp40U?si=1fd-IKeGBDOqZL7r
>>729143637>I'm going to turn tropes on their heads!>For the 38th time!It's interesting the first time somebody does that. After that, who gives shit?Ninja High School was constantly doing that in the early 90s, to the point it was played out. Yes, I'm old.
I for one am happy that cuckstianity is dying.
>>729149054Already played it, unfortunately
>>729149156"Daimon" etymologically means "the one who divides". The "mon" has fucking nothing to do with "man", it's a coincidence
>>729149381There are demons. They don’t really exist, but there is also proof. I posted a book earlier in which several people saw a possession first hand, you should read it, but youre black, it will do you no good, you are damned regardless
>>729149301>>729149375By the way, that's actually the etymology of rebuttal. You're talking out of your arse and I'm re-butting it by telling you to fucking shove it.
>>729149439>oneO RLY
>>729143637Somewhere around Mass Effect, maybe? The aliens wre all cardboard cutout stereotypes except for the few exceptions you interact with. It became fashionable to have a twist that subverts established expectations ever since.
>>729149381https://youtu.be/zMiUXXDZyPQ
>>729149448People claiming to see something is not proof. People claim to see Bigfoot and UFOs and lizardmen under the earth's crust all the fucking time.If demons exist, show me one.
>>729149448>There are demons. They don’t really exist, butMeds. Now.
>>729149520At your behest monsieur, I will visit your dreams tonight
>>729149405>playing it straight is old and tired because they're not doing anything interesting, the fact they aren't subverting is in of itself the subversion, which makes it boring because it's just another subversionThere's a point where it'd be beneficial to just completely retire medieval fantasy for about half a century, but they're still lucrative thanks to the isekai crowd, so unfortunately we must continue to suffer.
>>729149381I mean if you believe Jesus is wrong then I can't really do much about it, it will be done...
>>729149567Greek mythology too
>>729149528Can you say light truly exists? It is intangible and fleeting. The source may exist but the ray is often gone so quick it could be spoken against easily. That’s the same attitude the faithless have, and it’s hard to argue incessantly with people that deny their eyes and ears, as God so argued in Isaiah
>>729149303>there was easily enough context in the entire reply chain to pinpoint the group in questionReally? Can you pinpoint where someone was talking about, or made any referring to your group of people?All I'm seeing are anons using the neutral term "people". You thinking anyone was talking about you or whatever group you defines yourself into is your problem.
>>729147802>Watching a bunch of African documentary>Africa is a shit hole because everyone is badRR Martin should write about black people doing black people things.
>>729149505Good bait. I refuse to believe that after the entire thread before your post you can be that much of a newfag.
>>729149567Playing it straight still has life in it if they just play it totally straight from another angle. They never play it fully straight from the evil side. They can still milk that for years but it goes basically untouched.
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>>729148994>khajits are stereotyped as being drugged up cats>a lot of them indeed are drug users and one of their mythological stories involves a bunch of them getting so high off their minds they literally reach the moonI love the way elder scrolls treats culture and religion. While a lot of it is in the background, the writers sure go on interesting paths.>yes this fucking demon looking daedra is the prince of rape, thats one of his titles>the way he created vampires might also have involved rape btw>basically hes pure evil and domination incarnate
>>729149567>the isekai crowdI really want to like Japs but since apparently they've been insatiably eating up the worst, most formulaic isekai slop garbage ever conceived with no end in sight, I struggle to think of them as anything beyond subhuman. Even Ameritards got zombie fatigue and superhero fatigue eventually, but I guess Japs are so autistic they're incapable of getting fatigue
Also Jesus is called Jesus because "je suis" is French for "I AM"Remeber all languages were one before the tower of Babel
>>729149745Overlord?
>>729149675>Can you say light truly exists?Yes, you schizo retard.
>>729149795Jesus Christ means Annointed Savior
>>729149807Overlord does play it from the evil angle, fair. It's still dogshit, but for different reasons.
>>729149827You just said that personal vision was not applicable evidence, retard
>>729149680Sure, when mentioning an actual event of a certain group of people reacting to a particular portrayal demons in response to seeing an image of Freiren.Who got mad at those demons being shown as malevolent psychos that use words as weapons to fuck people over?
>>729147802>I'M DUMB AND SO GODDAMN CRAZY
>>729149675Yes. It is absolutely trivial to verify light exists. You can go and look at it. In fact it's the only thing you can look at.
>>729143637Evil church is still rather rare, aside from nip games. The latter are just a representation of their medieval and early modern monks which were quite involved in mundane affairs and wars.
>>729143712I mean it's true. Unless you play shit like veilguard I guess? I haven't encountered anything like this.
>>729149675>Can you say light truly exists?Yes. It can be scientifically percepted, measured and confirmed by results of its interaction with matter.
>>729147781He's doing a le epic dunk.
>>729149904>everything is lightMoving the goalpost.
>>729149675>Can you say light truly exists? It is intangible and fleetingActual brainlet.
>>729149852No it doesn't, you're black and Mexican, now sit down and be instructed in the Bible
>>729149675*turns on a light*Your move, christcuck
>>729149923No it cannot, those instruments read heat signatures>>729149928Ad hominem
>>729147802>saying this when Tolkien is chock full of characters becoming evil over good intentions like Denethor
>>729149876Well, apparently your personal vision of what I actually did say wasn't evidence enough of what I actually said, so that vindicates me
>>729149764where do I sent the money?
>>729143637when tumblr became popular and more women entered previously male dominated hobby spaces around 2011 and so on
>>729143637At some point they resevered so much the expectation thzt the ended to become the expectation
>>729149950Ah! Buen. Enjoy the demon Monsieur
>>729149926Literally everything you see is light, yes. Light is how your eyes detect things. It is the ONLY thing your eyes can perceive, because your eyes work by detecting light, you fucking retard.
>>729149950I refute it thus!
>>729149964Light is capable of exerting force on matter to make it move, it's demonstrably real
>>729150042>atheists think shining a flashlight at a block makes it move, just like in muh vidyakek
>>729145001They made the enemies angels in the first Bayonetta which released in 2009. Were you shitting your pants over that? Well you probably were actually since you were probably about 1.
>>729149964I can literally cut a sheet of steel in half with light.
>>729149993It's just an ongoing dialectical process. Only idiots who lack all historical perspective are bothered by this, which is why the christcucks are having a normal one
How can light be real if our eyes arent real?
when women infected gaming
>>729150064https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uEb_DvwIFTs
>>729145481That's not because of a lack of organised religion. It's because of a lack of social shaming. You can have one without the other, it's just that in the west shame has always been associated with Christianity so it's hard to imagine a culture with morality that doesn't descend from it. I honestly think the "we need to go back to the 50's" crowd do far more damage than they solve.
>>729150092It's always funny when some twitterer high on weed discovers philosophical arguments from like 600 years ago, and funnier if he's famous
>>729143918Oh yes when I look at the majesty of the 1200 year old cathedral full of golden reliquaries dedicated to the concept of vanishing evil and sanctuary and forgiveness to all of mankind my first thought is "this is scary"
>>729143712Probably alluding to Drow or if they're a secondary came in thinking Tieflings are evil.
>>729150092We can ultimately never truly and irrefutably prove anything is real, but it literally doesn't matter because from our perspective things are real and it doesn't matter if they're some impossibly convincing illusion because either way it's the world we live in.
>>729149950>Your move, christcuckWdym?>And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.
>>729145481>>729150171>It's because of a lack of social shamingThis. Asian don't do this, and none of them are religious. They just have a strong sense of cultural shame
>>729150171>That's not because of a lack of organised religion. It's because of a lack of social shaming.In fact the proliferation of organised religion seems to indicate a profound lack of social shaming because now we've got overconfident idiots polluting public discourse with their delusional drivel.
>>729150175If you aren't immersed in Christianity since birth, you will probably notice the image of a tortured man in a cross too.
>>729150064>dumb faggot never heard tell of a Crookes Radiometer
>>729150175It's easy to turn the holy aspect on its head. Add a bunch of demons or corrupted clergy and call it a day. That's like the whole thing that makes it scary lol. Also you won't face any controversy. I'd love a game set inside a creepy mosque but somehow I doubt that's ever gonna happen.
>>729149890My man. I get that you literally let your grandpa eat your foreskin and suck your blood and molest you but still blame the goyim somehow, but even I don't think it's fair to compare Jews to a race so fucking stupid they spent 1000 years studying humanity but don't know what a handshake is. Demons aren't Jews. They can't be Jews because they are too innocent. You can say the demons are evil or dangerous and be correct but they are not able to accurately form any kind of mental model of others and are almost the same as an animal.
>>729150235But God demonstrably didn't make this light. It was made by humans and I turned it on. He has no involvement on this.
>>729150171>You can have one without the other, it's just that in the west shame has always been associated with Christianity so it's hard to imagine a culture with morality that doesn't descend from itJapan.
>>729150240This, too, is a consequence of collective apathy. When you don't give enough shits to really band together and shame someone, it shows there's no backbone or resistance to degeneracy, which is how we literally have the US Government basically admitting it's full of pedophiles and pedo sympathizers, but all people can do is go "oh my god Michael Jackson was on the Epstein List... holy shit..." because celebrity drama is all that actually gets them going anymore.
>>729145481Prostitution was legal for thousands of years, it's only in the modern era that it's been widely outlawed.
>>729150084It's funny and sad that you think subverting expectations because that was the hottest new thing in hollywood for a while is dialectics. You are rationalizing people being LAZY and UNCREATIVE into an intellectual process of debate, which I'm sorry to say it simply isn't.The idiot is you.
>>729150306Yeah cool whatever. A group of people got upset about those demons. Who was it?
>>729150306>You can say the demons are evil or dangerous and be correct but they are not able to accurately form any kind of mental model of others and are almost the same as an animal.That's LITERALLY wrong, though. They have a society and social norms and have emotions in contexts where there is no point to faking them. The story tells us they're just faking things but it's blatantly not lining up with their actual actions, which are of cackling cartoon villains and not of psychopaths.
>>7291436371517
>>729150240>>729150310Exactly. I was referring to those East Asian countries. You couldn't have an East Asian Bonnie Blue they'd get fucking lynched for bringing so much shame to their country. In the west people are like "yeah man totally respect the hussle." We often don't realise that we're the ones with the weird culture. This is coming from someone who isn't really traditional at all, but some things just go too far.
>>729143637Threesome with Pollyanna and Pollyanna alter
>>729150420What is the problem with Bonnie Blue
>>729150313Hypernormalization. The individuality of the hippie shit in the 60s/70s had the unintended side-effect of completely destroying social and moral cohesion, permanently conditioning everyone to be apathetic. Something like the civil rights movement will never happen again, because no one cares. People talk about "civil war" like it's something Americans are even mentally capable of anymore
>>729150340Unironically I think prostitution is a far healthier thing than Onlyfans. Incels actually get to have sex, the girls still get to sell themselves for money and it all stays behind closed doors.
>>729150420>there are no Asian porn starsmhm
>>729143637Religion sucks, but the first three examples are Jehova Witness tier censorship. It's strange to make a distiction between current egemony and religious prude panic when all of it boils down to the same: The dead of individual expression.
>>729150420There are entire JAV series about one woman fucking however many random dudes and/or fans they can get to come on set, they don't reach nearly as high a number as that whore but largely that's because they're also going for something that looks decent on film
>>729150510Porn stars and the shit going on right now aren't comparable and you know it.
>>729147560>it's impossible for a demon (i.e. a fallen angel) to ever be good or repent or redeem itselfGod is omnipotent. Also the nature of demons is not clear. And like someone else said, demons predate christian theology, and they aren't all necessarily fallen angels, or evil. It's just popular culture, like you going to heaven or hell right after you die.
>>729150351Bro how is that any more "LAZY and UNCREATIVE" than just playing fantasy tropes entirely straight? The subversion necessarily stands in a dialectial relation with the original. The antithesis is senseless without the thesis. And here we are debating the merit of both. But using an argument that is inherently against the status quo in an attempt to argue against subversion is just disingenuous.
>>729150357Lmao you desperately want him to liken Jews to demons so you can screech with a bit more solid of a standing.
>>729146152Well done.
>>729150474Pretty much. Even more convenient for the powers is that they've successfully moved everyone's energy to the digital space, the only people who can actually band together physically are those who are being paid to be there, because they need some kind of material incentive to get off their fat asses and go somewhere as they don't genuinely believe in any causes, stances or ideals for the future, they just want to live in their comfortable now where the only future that need be worried about is when the next season of Cocksuckers is on one of their many streaming service subscriptions.
>>729145448Wait until you hear about mega churches, televangelists, snake preachers and priests with private jets. All protestant. They aren't better than catholics.
>>729150474>some guys decide they don't want to go die in Vietnam, live in your fetid cities and eat microplastic-laden food>Americans seethe about it forever and ever
>>729150576God's ability to forgive is infinite, but an angel's inability to be forgiven is also infinite. Do you think Satan doesn't know about the prophecy in the Bible written for all to see that he's fated to lose against his omnipotent enemy? Of course he knows, he's not stupid. In fact, he's the second smartest entity in all of existence. He just wants to take as many humans with him, out of spite. His entire existence, for the past 6000 years, has been a suicide attack, and this extends to all of his fellow fallen angels. Repentance isn't even feasible in a situation like this
>>729150003>picThis is 4chan tho
>>729150309>demonstrably didn't make this lighWt? He created light, as a thing, before humans were around. That's why the sun can light up areas on earth in the first place.
>>729150756He could stop at any moment and redeem himself, duh. Nothing's preventing him from doing so.
>>7291436372007it's always 2007
>>729150790Technically, yes. But he won't, because it's not in his nature. Just like how God technically could lie, or say something incorrect, but he won't, because his nature is immutable
>>729150780Prove God made it.>>729150756>second smartest entity in the universe >knows he'll lose and it's all completely pointless because God can snap his fingers and undo all his effort and is still doing it for some reason
>>729148932>Not that you care to even debate, you’re a negro>>729149301>Ad hominem is not rebuttal
>>729150175There's a church made of human bones.Also the dying crucified Jesus imagery/statues would be spooky if you aren't aware of what Jesus dying on the cross actually represents.
>>729150790He might be able to work towards redemption but being redeemed is not something that anyone can do for themself, redemption has to be granted by another if they decide you deserve it
>>729150756>for the past 6000 yearsThis nigga be baiting
>>729150852Well that's retarded, as he changed his nature before when he fell in the first place.Unless you're suggesting God deliberately made an angel whose nature was to fall and spend the next 6.000 years causing immense suffering to people.
>>729150790>Nothing's preventing him from doing so.Except for the preordained nature of his existence, as decided by God, who has already written the start, middle and end on the book of existence, an immutable fact of things that's been in place since God made the decision to create.Every effort from the fallen would thus be seen by God as blasphemous, not because the fallen is attempting to pull the wool over God's eyes, but because the fallen is trying to directly go against what God has deemed inevitable, failing to realize that this is exactly why he is destined to be unforgiven for all eternity.All the fallen can truly do thus is play his role, because without it, he has no reason to exist, and without reason to exist, God will simply eradicate him and replace him with a new fallen who WILL adhere to God's design.
>>729150742No mainstream religion can ever be opposed to the status quo. And under an unjust status quo, therefore, no mainstream religion can be true.
>>729150756True enough, for popular culture. But only God knows the truth.
>>729143637world of warcrafff ¯\_(:|)_/¯
>>729150897We opened the gates to this buffoonery when we pushed to associate atheism with reddit.
>>729150927So God made him with the explicit goal of causing misery and suffering and then throwing him into a lake of fire at the end for... what, exactly?
God isn’t real, lmao.
>>729150857>God can snap his fingers and undo all his effortHe knows God won't though. God created the rules for this "game", and he will not break them. For every human soul that falls to Hell, that brings an infinite pain to God, which Satan considers to be a victory
>>729151039fun
>>729150904I know immutable nature and free will seem incompatible but they're simply not. Would you say God is bereft of free will? Obviously not
>>729150927>the fallen is trying to directly go against what God has deemed inevitableBut if they can't, and if it is in fact inevtiable that they do that because God willed it, then why is it wrong, again? And also what's the point of any of it?
>>729151092I thought we can't comprehend God, faggotYou don't just get to ascribe human terms to Him whenever it's convenient for you
>>729147805I do not believe for a second that games industry "people" ever played planescape torment.
>>729151039God didn't strike down the Dragon and cast it into the pit, Michael did and as such cemented his position above his kin but below that one human that just kinda walked into Heaven that one time
>>729145374>got nothing to say so you resort to ad-hominemlol retard
>>729150897I'm not a young earth creationist, I'm just relaying Christian theology/mythology as accurately as I can
>>729151092>I know immutable nature and free will seem incompatible but they're simply notHow the fuck aren't they? If my actions are all part of the script and unchangeable, I cannot possibly have free will.
>>729151117We also can't comprehend angels. They may be infinitely below God, but they're also infinitely above us
>>729151165
Angels can't be redeemed because they have ever present minds. They wholly understand how badly they're fucking up and they're doing it anyway. Its why pride is the biggest sin
>>729150878No there isn't. There is a single church decorated with bones because of the sheer volume of people who wanted to be buried there. It isn't uncommon for catacombs to do the same stuff with the bones of pepper buried there, the only difference is that this is above ground. That practice predates Christianity. I'll give you points on the depiction of Jesus but even then most religions have some kind of imposing depiction of an authoritative god in their temples. The Buddha (not the fat one) is basically a corpse too. That doesn't discredit your point of course but they never lean into this stuff with other religions. I don't think Christianity even with it's spookier elements is any more spooky than other religions.
>>729151092>I know slavery and freedom seem incompatible but they're simply not. Would you say the slaveowner is bereft of freedom? Obviously not
>>729151186Then if they cannot be comprehended there is no point to a religion at all, since any of their commands could be deceptive and there is no way to tell truth from lies.>but they can't lie-If we cannot comprehend that we cannot even know this.
>>729151165We can't wrap our heads around infinity. How can God simultaneously be omniscient and also have free will? How could God have existed forever? Unanswerable questions
>>729151246>bones of pepper
>>729151137So you don't believe the shit you're saying?
>>729144372nah its because its directed by a jeet who sucks on trumps rotten balls>>729144730die retarded tourist nigger
>>729151165Based on your mortal understanding of it. If you could understand things the way God does, would that not make you of the same cloth as God, and as such, have utter control over existence? You could rewrite existence right now to make it so you've won this debate.But you clearly don't have that power, you were simply created in His image. You won't truly understand God until you ascend and enter His domain, but it's your willingness to love God and abide by His teachings that shows you're worthy of paradise and the cornucopia of knowledge that comes with it.
>>7291500742009 was like 3 years ago
>>729151251>>but they can't lie-Yes, of course. The GREAT DECEIVER can't lie
>>729151251The point is to trust in their words even if you can't verify that it's truth, you believe that messages from Him are in your best interest
>>729151289I believe it as much as when I explain the laws of physics to people. I'm simply conveying knowledge that other people discovered. Whether you believe it or not is at your own discretion
>>729151325Well there is no reason to believe that. If he is incomprehensible, then literally any course of action regarding him has an equal chance of being the right one, because you literally cannot tell. Cannibalizing children has the same chance of appealing to God as having sincere faith or literally anything else.
>>729151289It's a discussion stemming from talk of demonology, what's wrong with not believing any of it?
>>729151376>I'm simply conveying knowledge that other people discovered.You're really not
>>729145480>>729147258Jerusalem will be our!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yS95oB9r9U
>>729150579Don't talk about disingenuous when you put words into other people's mouths. Where did I say to play tropes straight? It's apparently either trope or "trope but subverted" with you. It's apparent that you literally don't understand what being creative even means.
>>729151414This line of thought makes no sense. When you say "we can't comprehend God", you seem to think we literally can't understand God when he issues us a direct order, like he has a speech disorder or something. That's not what incomprehension means, anon
>>729151120They didn't. But they have heard about it!
>>729151414You don't have to tell, you were told. Faith is not about having a reason to believe.
>>729151437Of all the retarded things you could've said, you picked the most retarded one. How am I not? Are you stupid?
>>729151472>Where did I say to play tropes straight?That would be the entire point of the conversation.>It's apparently either trope or "trope but subverted" with you.So what's the hidden third option that still includes the trope>It's apparent that you literally don't understand what being creative even means.You should try to be less "creative" with your arguments and more logical.
>>729151490If we can't understand God's goals or desires, then his direct orders lose all validity. A soldier listens to orders of his commanding officer because he believes these orders will lead to his survival or win the war. If he believes his commanding officer is corrupt, he will question these orders.If God cannot be understood, his orders can be deceptions. He might want the exact opposite and is counting on us to disobey. He might do it for shits and giggles. There is no way to tell.
>>729151590Not him and I hate that I know this, but the faggots cataloguing tropes have like 50 fucking categories of what you can do with onehttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlayingWithATrope
>>729151538If I told you that heavy things fall faster because they're heavy and it just makes sense, am I conveying knowledge? No, obviously not. Because that's simply wrong. Now, if I told you Archimedes wrote that and people believed it until Galileo dropped some shit off the Tower of Pisa to disprove it, then I'm imparting knowledge.
>>729143637When subversive oikophobes became particularly virulent after the turn of the 21st century, only several hundreds of years after the bloodshed they caused during the so-called "Enlightenment."
>>729151612A soldier doesn't get to just ignore orders because he doesn't understand why they were issued in the first place
>>729151612I don't understand how you misunderstood the basic concept of God so severely. God has made his goals and desires crystal clear, according to the Bible. Unmistakable. When people say God is incomprehensible, they mean his nature is incomprehensible. The reason and the methods of his goals. But said goals are made crystal clear, and the outcome of said goals are also clearly defined
>>729151281I'm a dirty phoneposter and I'm at the job that I have. Im a no good shower taker and I hate autocorrect
>>729151718If there was a discussion about Archimedes and that little tidbit was mentioned would you have to believe it yourself to say that it's what he thought?
>>729151538>>729151718*Aristoteles, not ArchimedesBut, of course, the fact that I can correct myself on this is another thing that illustrates the difference. Your fanfiction about demons can't be factually addressed in any way.
>>729151612When God gives a direct order, He is unmistakably making one that can be easily comprehended and interpreted by His children. You seem to believe that God is incapable of metaphorically crouching down and communicating on our level, which goes against the idea that God is all-powerful and all-knowing.
>>729151734Again, his goals are no longer crystal clear as we cannot understand his reasoning and his nature. What if the whole Bible is a lie? What if he means the exact opposite? That could be his intention, since we cannot know his intention.
>>729151718Heavy things do fall fasterhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_law_of_universal_gravitationNote how both objects' mass multiplies the pull
>>729151791I suppose I'd have to believe it as much as when I explain the laws of physics to people :^)
>>729151792>traditional theology written by the Church Doctors is "fanfiction" I mean, yeah, you can see it that way, especially if you're Protestant or whatever. But acting like I'm making shit up even though I'm simply repeating what's been repeated for 2000 years just because you were too ignorant to already know it is absurd
>>729151843>He is unmistakably making one that can be easily comprehended and interpreted by His children.How can you know this, if he's incomprehensible? You cannot tell his lies from his truths. Literally any statement he issues is completely unverifiable and could be leading us to our doom, because he is supposedly unknowable and incomprehensible.And in fact, why doesn't this guy just do it himself. He's omnipotent. He could do it all with a snap of his fingers. In fact, he already has, literally all our actions are predestined because he's omnipotent, and disobey or obey it's all part of the plan.
>>729151868Cool, now drop a Ping-Pong ball and a metal ball from the same height.
>>729151934The metal ball will drop ever so slightly faster, not enough of a difference to measure with human reaction times
>>729145481That's just due to poverty cause everything is fucking failing.When gommunism collapsed europe was flooded with starving girls from the eastern block who staffed brothels from london to rome for a good couple decades.
>>729149890But that in of itself was saying how specific people were mad about it despite not being aimed a specific group that exists irl.
>>729148827>extremely obvious act of deceptionYou mean concealing her mana? It's not that they're shocked about, because they do it too, but that she's doing it all the time. And it's unexpected not just because of how their society works, but because they didn't expect anyone to have been doing it for hundreds of years non-stop, since obviously humans can't do that.
>>729151669I'd hardly consider referring to TvTropes creative, and I don't subscribe to their definitions. A "justified" trope is also subverting it. An "inverted" trope is also subverting it. Otherwise, indeed, none of the examples in the OP are "subversions" in the first place.
>>729151925>You cannot tell his lies from his truths.What a retarded non-sequitur. You're simply too dense to wrap your head around basic definitions
>>729151908I know Christians believe bullshit. I didn't need someone unironically arguing for said bullshit in order to be informed about that.
>>729152010If God issues you an order, how do you know that's what he intends? If I follow these orders, will he lead me and my fellows to their deaths because that somehow furthers his plan? If I disobey, will I cause even more destruction? Does the plan require my disobedience because he assumes that I will not follow his orders and planned accordingly?
>>729151980Yeah so? If I saw who got mad then I know who is being referenced when that group getting mad comes up. The validity of their complaints is 100% inconsequential.
>>729150373They’re psychos that see emotions as a means to an end and that end is to manipulate people. It’s not hard to understand. What I don’t understand is why you see a group of manipulative monsters and immediately think “this is me” do you act like them? Do you treat words as just a tool to manipulate and control people? If so you’re the one with the problem since that’s fucked up.
>>7291515901. Do not use tropes. I did not say to play the trope straight, and it was NOT the point of the conversation at all. 2. No, we do not want to include the trope at all. No subversions of it either. Do not include ANY trope, as far as possible possible.3. Learn to do things that have not been done before. That is what being creative means.This is very difficult, which is why I said using subverted tropes is uncreative and lazy. It takes a lot of work to be creative because just because something is new doesn't mean it's good. A lot of trial and error."The hidden third option that still includes the trope". Bro what is 2 + 2 and no don't give me any of that 4 nonsense.
>>729151964Damn, you take communism away and you immediately plunge huge swathes of the population into poverty
>>729151925And therein lies the point. You allow yourself to overcomplicate, to doubt, to be skeptical, to distrust, to even denounce belief, when the matter of receiving God's love and faith is that you simply need to return that love and faith back to Him, even if you lack the understanding necessary to truly know what He has in store for you or anyone else.
>>729152071His plan is very simple: to get you into Heaven.
>>729152076>Yeah so? Oh boy here we go. >saw who got mad then I know who is being referenced when that group getting mad comes upThe logic here is circular since its stems back to people being mad over fictional demons and their behavior being called out. It is not specific to any one group. Pointing out that people are mad about it does not mean that the show referenced or targeted them. So trying to say that because someone pointed out that people were mad over it does not equal the show doing that.
>>729152089>Do not include ANY trope, as far as possibleTropes are literally what stories are made of.
>>729152089Anon, this entire thread is about people calling for a return to classic fantasy tropes without them being subverted. I interpreted your post in that context. If you want to argue in favour of originality, that's not what this thread is about, except insofar as that would also be considered subversive. I won't bother addressing the points you mistakenly made under the apparenty impression that this thread was about something other than it actually was because I don't care.
>>729150175the catholic church has some badass stuff that makes it look like a metal band album cover.a talented game writer would try to depict this as good because it would be both fresh and interesting.>>729146157I liked FFtactics for depicting the church as a mostly political faction.
>>7291454643 hours late, but delivered
>>729149764Drawfags get to work
>>729152084>They’re psychos that see emotions as a means to an end and that end is to manipulate peopleBut that's not true. Why do they exhibit emotions when they're alone? Why do they exhibit them in contexts where it manipulates nobody? Why do they rage and screech at losing when it doesn't help them in the slightest?Frieren demons are bogtandard fantasy orcs, but the author made up some bullshit about mimics to pretend they're something else. They're supposedly self interested and yet not a single one of them makes the extremely simple leap of logic of "humans will kill us if we kill them, better not to that." They do things that benefit them not in the slightest constantly like eating humans when there is zero point to doing so. There are no stakes to demons because they're all retarded and will kill themselves if left alone because they're all retarded.
>>729151492I think they only watched that buffy spinoff with that good vampire dude.That would explain the Whedon writing at least.
>>729152108Damn, you take Monarchy away and you immediately plunge huge swathes of the population into death. No, wait, I got the order confused; that's HOW you get rid of Monarchy.
>>729152203I don't care if the show did or didn't do it, jews cried about it. I do not need to see the word jew when the matter comes up to know that the unnamed group that got upset were jews. Knowing that it was jews does not mean I agree with what the claim was being said. How is this so difficult for you?
>>729152353I mean plunging huge swathes of the population into poverty happens regularly under monarchy
>>729143637Threesome with the Succubus and the priestess
>>729152108Most intelligent commie faggot.
>>729151847>>729151612>>729151490>some bearded divine super-autismo sits on his cloud, daydreaming>decides to make his imaginary world into material>makes super-detailed laws of nature, everything is structured, unusual spaces covered with unusual rules to avoid random nullref crashes>decides to add some self-replicating AIs>gives it a book of clearly defined rules and goals>AI starts to hallucinate, hallucinating AIs produce a shitton of information noise, fake news and misinterpretations, all referring one another>autismo himself had stopped understanding what is going on>initial attempts to wipe out especially bugged AIs had led to more bullshit>attempts to indirectly affect AIs as various characters-gods of different religions had only ended up in AIs to make everything even more mixed up>eventually too much dedication had been spent to wipe out the result, but every attempt to interact with it just makes everything worse, more chaotic and less understandable
>>729152270But that shit is cool, not scary
>>729143637The issue is that when this is done it’s either done for the sake of it or to push an agenda. A succubus by its very nature is going to be sucking and fucking to consume essence or whatever. If you’re going to change that it should be in service of the story to present some idea that fits with/ties into the themes. Same goes for the orc, demon, and priestess. Ask yourself where have these specific subversions of the certain character archetypes shown up and how many can you name that were done that served the story vs being done for the sake or it and or to push and agenda. Though I will present that the idea of church bad is not new and a lot of times when it’s done in games the church is not worshiping a benevolent god but rather a demiurge-like figure.
>>729143637Millennials think reversing a troop instantly makes it super deep and interesting. Reversing a trope is way more boring and overdone than the worst tropes, though.
>>729152456There is nothing about the church that is inerently good.
>oh boy oh boy oh boy, please listen, please listen to me, there is a problem with videogames, basically videogames are evil now, if you would please listen listen to me, I have drawn a comic detailing my grievances, if you would please read the comic, so I drew this orc named Broc, right, and Broc the orc was a type of character that raped people in the old videogames. are you listening? and oh boy, i'm sure that if broc the orc existed in the new videogames, he would not even WANT to rape people!!! I'm peeved, i'm really fricking peeved, they're alienating me from videogames, i'm so peeved i want to kill someone, oooooooh>GET THE HELL OUT OF MY SIGHT YOU FUCKING RETARD
>>729152376>I don't care if the show did or didn't do itBut it’s the subject of the argument, if you didn’t care why would you engage at all? >jews cried about it. I do not need to see the word jew when the matter comes up to know that the unnamed group that got upset were jewsThat’s their problem. If they see literal manipulative demons being portrayed as psychos and immediately think of themselves that’s their problem not the shows.
>>729152449its cool and scary.only game Im aware of that tried to invoke that feeling and style was blasphemous.
>>729152525This is true of all factions that are larger than a family unit or a pack unit.
>>729152353>No, wait, I got the order confusedThat's all right. It's important to be rigorous when studying cause and effect.
>>729152525Good does not need to be inherent within something. There are few things which are inherently good yet we do not forsake all the thinks which differ from them.
>>729143637It originally started out as a subversion of old tropes until it eventually became a cliche itself.
>>729152540The subject is about where the context is to know that the reference is about jews without anyone saying jews yet.
>>729145079>well maybe it DID happen but how does this affect you?
>>729152306>humans will kill us if we kill them, better not to thatwasn't there that one demon that realized it killed someone that made humans mad enough to want to kill it, so it offered a new human child as a compromise to try and make amends so it could continue living without being killed by humans not really understanding why that wouldn't work out
>>729143869Vampireteenz are so fucking stupid. Same shit comes with wolfaboos crying and shitting themselves over werewolves not being the lauded as the greatest thing ever.Seriously you wanna complain about demons being depicted as good try werewolves being portrayed as anything but someone accursed and instead just made into a giant wolf person like whatever a teenager thinks is cool.
>>729152623It wasn’t, the post that mentioned people getting mad said nothing about jews and just pointed out people getting mad. So unless you think only jews can be shitty and manipulative then there is nothing to indicate that it’s specifically talking about them.
>>729152525The church laid the groundwork for modern academia, science, healthcare, and banking. Universities, hospitals, and banks were all conceived as church institutions before secularizing in the 19th century
>>729152670Yes, but it had no reason to kill that person in the first place, and yet it went and did it. Demons are just a bunch of 10 IQ retards with godlike power who go around causing mass destruction for no gain and no reason and then staring in disbelief when people kill them for it.
>>729152726Ok so who were this mystery group that got mad?
>>729143712You can smell the judaism of this post.
>>729146152Edgekino
>>729152754Every single one of these organizations existed before the church. Banks can be traced down to 2000BC, hospitals existed in ancient Rome and Greece, and formal schooling has existed since ancient Egypt. These things would have progressed and evolved with or without the church; the church monopolized them because it was the dominant organization back then, but in places the Church didn't reach, medicine, economics and science all continued to develop.
>>729152779There is no specific group. It was literally just pointing out that a bunch of random people got mad about it and you for some reason jumped onto the idea that it was talking about a group and not multiple unrelated individuals.
Sigh… I miss the good old days when the pot was only 80 degrees
>>729152397>regularlyOh, you have examples. Please, show the class.>>729152576Yes, like the effect of the so-called "Enlightenment" being a centuries-long tyranny of plebs who were never fit to rule a coal mine, never mind a Kingdom.
>>729152528This is the kind of faggot that will unironically tell other people to “take their meds” after writing up all this shit.
>>729152670>"humans will kill us if we kill them, better not to that."The simple fact that they abandon their children to fend for themselves will ensure the "don't mess with 'em humans" lesson can never actually be carried forward, it will only apply to the single demon who learned it.And even then they'll continue to fuck with humans because might is right in a demon's mind, and that's what all the mightiest demons are doing, so they will thusly fuck with humans in hopes that it will propel them towards being the next top demon.
>>729152767but i am a scorpion
>>729143712The number of people BTFOing you is great, it’s not 2013 anymore.
>>729152695Shut up dork.
>>729153009Eventually the lesson will become genetic like how pretty much everything but birds hate snakes purely on instinct
>>729152950The steeply rising taxation under Louis XIV's reign to fund the Wars of the League of Augsburg caused massive staggering famine across the country
>>729152887Obviously the abstract concepts of banking, education, and healthcare are basically timeless, but saying the church isn't responsible for universities, hospitals, and banks is like saying the Romans didn't revolutionize irrigation
>>729153106>under Louis XIV's reignOne example means "regularly," I guess...
>>729153009I mean all the mightiest demons DIED to the nondemon races. They fucked with them and then Frieren's party walked to their castle, killed them all and looted their shit. If they get rocked this hard and don't learn anything they're all retarded
>>729153083Articulate yourself, faggot.
>>729153173After that, they had another famine in 1693-1694. Another in 1709-1710 and in 1740-1741. Another famine in 1788 would help fuel popular unrest and bread riots in 1789, which finally led to the French Revolution. It was, in fact, an incredibly regular ocurrence.
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>>729143637sexo with bottom right
>>729143712Shalom!
>>729153173There were regular famines under the Tsars. The Soviets had *one* after pro-monarchy forces fucked up their infrastructure and torched the food stores, and you've never let them live it down.
>>729143637pollyanna on the right should want to suck souls and suck sicks like the succubus on the left
>>729143637the devil won. Now, all that is good is bad, and all that is bad is good or misunderstood in the worst case scenario
>>729152962>oh boy, so there is this saying on this website I go to, 4chan dot org, and on this website they have this saying, "TAKE YOUR MEDS!" and it like, you see it means that you think the guy you are posting this to is a schizophrenic. Pretty hilarious if I say so myself! And like people usually say it when the guy is talking about conspiracies, so that makes it a communist meme, because communists on the internet are hiding the conspiracies you see, I have a very good video on youtube by famous Youtuber Fartinmabutt, he's pretty based and redpilled! Aaanyway, what I'm saying is, that post above me looks so fricking ridiculous, I bet he would use the "take your meds" joke, but doesn't even MAKE SENSE that he would write that, because his post is pretty unmedicated too shall I say, heh! I'm just like Jorgy from my favorite game Papers Please now, you see that's a videogame about doing paperwork for a dystopia, it's pretty dark compared to most other videogames! ;) Anyway I'm bored, I'm gonna go play with my choo choo, please don't bother me when I play with my choo choo>CHOO CHOOOO! CHOO CHOOOOO!
>>729149079>posting spic fuentesyawn
>>729143775>>729144489>>729152825>>729153065>>729153403You are literally just relying on "EVERYONE knows this and if you disagree you should be shamed into silence and possibly killed". All these replies and literally only a handful of examples. Is that supposed to represent "most" games?
>>729153279>It was, in fact, an incredibly regular ocurrence [sic]>that's why I can't name a single example before the 1600s, and why most of my examples are separated by decades>>729153416>There were regular famines under the TsarsGoing by the standards of what you people call "regular," I'm not holding my breath...>The Soviets had *one* after pro-monarchy forces fucked up their infrastructureLysenko was pro-Monarchy, apparently...>you've never let them live it downCorrect, I never let any dimwitted, moronic "philosophy" inspired by the so-called "Enlightenment" live any of their glaring faults down.
>>729143637Faelith being right but being left in the sheets for the player would be absolutely kino.
>>729143905that's not a shift retarded nigger
>>729153572Bro, you're gonna have to force the police to kill us man.It's literally over, we're not falling for Jewish tricks anymore. And you kinda did it yourself Moshe...
>>729153602If there's a famine every 20 or so years I will say, yes, that is a regular ocurrence. The famine of 1693 killed more French people then WW1
>>729143637Funny thing is the Succubus wouldn't even be in the second panel.
>>729153702Don't ack yourself by police xister, you have so much loli porn to shlick your axe wound to.
>>729143637What if I appreciate both?
>>729149764Just like in my japonese hentei games
>>729146264
>>729153602>From the beginning of the 11th to the end of the 16th century, on the territory of Russia for every century there were 8 crop failures, which were repeated every 13 years, sometimes causing prolonged famine in a significant territory.>The famine of 1601–1603 is believed to be Russia's worst in terms of the portion of the population affected, as it may have killed 2 million people (1/3 of the population). >One of the most serious crises before 1900 was the famine of 1891–1892, which killed between 375,000 and 500,000 people, mainly due to famine-related diseases.Yeah no wonder you're against the Enlightenment, if evidence-based reasoning scares you this much
>>729153532
>>729144453desu its metaphorically representing jews and STDs.
>>729147636That is fanfiction, Satannis just a generic term gor an enemy it could be anyone trying to lead you away from the good path intentionally or not.
>>729143712Fpbp
>>729150240Nigga get your weeb head out of your ass. 1/4 Japanese women do JAV in their life.
Honestly I'd say when World of Warcraft happened. I don't really remember other games having those tropes till WoW did it and then everyone started to copy.
>>729153978>Not me tho
>>729145874kek
>>729153754>>729153874And how was Monarchy directly responsible for each and every one of them?>uh-buhhh, that's not what---Oh? So >>729152397 had nothing intrinsically to do with Monarchy. Got it, glad we all agree.
>>729154117I dunno man, Warcraft has poor misunderstood orcs but it also has unironic evil demons, and the church of Light is generally just good.
>>729154146So we agree, the USSR bears no responsibility for the holodomor
>>729144446dantes father is the only good demon in demon history and he isnt misunderstood, he started a war against his own kind because he discovered justice.
>>729153782happy Hanukkah
>>729154295>a famine occurs once due to the actions of a Monarch>Monarchy is inherently tied to and inseparable from famine>famines regularly occur every time Monarchy is abandoned (not to mention the terrorist campaigns waged to unseat the Monarch in the first place)>aww, pssh, what can ya do, huh?
>>729154427Oh shit you got things the other way around again
>>729152887>Every single one of these organizations existed before the church.even if true, its irrelevant.its good attributes of the church regardless.
>>729154339Watch out I spotted a Jew in that coffee! Anon NO You're gonna drink Shlomo's cum! NOOOOOOooooo....
>>729154524So far, I've only been presented one (1) famine that has been argued to be caused by the direct action of a Monarch. If you'd like to elaborate on some previously-given examples, I'm all ears. Eyes, rather.
>>729143637Disgaea
>>729154692You're going in circles and arguing against yourself lmaoIf famines were already a regularly occurance under the monarchy and furthermore not attributable to the monarchs, then a famine happening after the deposition of the monarch says absolutely nothing special about deposing a monarchNow, ending a centuries-long streak of famines, like the USSR did, however...
>>729154692>I'm all ears. Eyes, rather.Biblically accurate Anon
>>729143637Zero examples for this, still.>>729143712The seethe at this post is evidence you are full of shit.
>>729154786>a famine happening after the deposition of the monarch says absolutely nothing special about deposing a monarchWhat's that? Cause and effect doesn't count when it's something (You) like? Well. Fuck. Me.
>>729146152Warhammer is almost 40 year old.
>>729154974Cause and effect doesn't count when the effect keeps happening without the cause anyway
>>729143918>religious iconography is spookyyou get spooked by seeing a cross...?are you jewish or a vampire by chance
>>729146157Most evil religions are either weird outliers, part of a generally evil country, or they are just kind of corrupt in a realistic way.
>>729154974Okay, let's start from the beginning.Socrates is a man.All men are mortal.Therefore...
>>729154974NTA but I think that anon meant that if famines happening under monarchy do not count (as if the sovereign has no responsibility for the food security of his subjects), then similarly famines happening under governments supporting communist ideology don't count as if those governments have no responsibility for the food security of it's citizens. Makes sense to me. Both of those suck and you two are polfaggots desu.
>>729155086>jewish or a vampireUnnecessary repetition.
>>729152397That's not true at all. You say this even like it's a planned outcome, but monarchies don't survive if their people die, and monarchs who are so cruel as to be a net detriment to their own people were regularly deposed. It has always been a fine line for the monarch to thread between his court and the needs of his peopleand it has certainly been better overall in outcome for the people under monarchies than what we've seen with democracies
>>729155045>the effect keeps happening without the causeMultiple illnesses have the effect of a fever. Deposing Monarchy, in a terroristic campaign for Power by people unfit to wield it, is but one illness with the (regularly occurring, one might say) effect of famine.>>729155103Yeah, great, cute. The Greeks eventually settled on Monarchy. Until recently, that is...>>729155126>as if the sovereign has no responsibility for the food security of his subjectsAs if anyone said that.>famines happening under governments supporting communist ideologyAre the direct result of those Governments "modernizing" their food supply chain after the mess they caused overthrowing the old system, yes.
>>729153978This guy doesn't understand that the people he's describing on 4chan are newfags and the very gay antifascists from his anecdote whom have made their way here.
>>729155405>Yeah, great, cute. The Greeks eventually settled on Monarchy.Thanks for confirming that you're completely unfamiliar with formal logic.
>>729145874the whole point of genestealer cults is that they're a parallel to the infestation of jews, rotting white society from within while remaining undetected or protected by establishing their false status as victims
>>729155453No, you don't understand 4chan or yourself, rather
>>729153532wat?
>>729155126But communist comes with a planned, centralized economy.Failed harvests that are out of the control of a monarch can't be attributed to a monarch, a government seizing control over farms and fucking everything up are the direct result of their policies. Not unlike how African warlords gave fertile land to their generals who then proceeded to sell off all the equipment instead of actually working the land are responsible for any subsequent famines.At most you can attribute some famines to monarchs when they drained too much farming labor away from farms and to armies
The succubus is reading BL btw.
>>729155536that looks like some nurgle shitare nids susceptible to chaos?
>>729146840youtu.be/J2_o5T7msD0
>>729155504I am, I'm just not interested in you trying to take me back to pre-school, as if you had the right.
>>729155589>You see if a monarch is completely ineffectual at ruling that's not his fault because he didn't even try
>>729143637There was no shift, what you portray here is bullshit, made up bullshit
>>729155653I do have the right. The divine right.
>>729147258well...
>>729155536I'd say it's more like the MENA invasion of Europe. Outbreeding native population, enact their will.
>>729143869>In the movie Blade, there's this line "I was BORN a vampire"Blade was born a dhampir because his mother was bitten while he was still in the womb.
>>729152134>you allow yourself to thinkGod forbid, clearly.
>>729143813games are downstream from culture (games are derivative of other art)So the root of it is in the rejection of Christ, the rejection of good and evil.The rejection of flat good and evil is artisticly interesting because it can give depth and ambiguity. The shifting alliances of warcraft 3 allows for broader storytelling and intrigue than warcraft 2 and 1 with orcs bad, humans good.Similarly there is an artistic bankruptcy to have WoW which like a sitcom wants to maintain certain balances (as necessary for gameplay) that makes it feel like nothing ever changes. And when they do, it fucks up gameplay (cataclysm).Planescape as can be seen from its design document set out to subvert common fantasy rpg patterns and be creative with it, the way life of brian does with the story of Christ.It's just that some of these subversive ideas have become the new normal in a way which is so fucking annoying. Because it's both uninspired and transdentally wrong, whereas planescape and warcraft 3 were at least somewhat inspired.
>>729143637Here.https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/OrcLook at the pictures of orcs throughout each edition. Start at first edition. Go up to fifth. Ready? Now look at fifth revised. They go from horrible monsters who jizz their pants when they rip heads off to misunderstood gypsies. That's when things went to shit. When the SJWs shoved their politics in.
>>729155759yes, i'd agree it's connected to the kind of story you'd find in the camp of saints. immigration from shithole countries is a jewish plot to destroy the white race
>>729155971Your spacing is downstream from reddit
>>729155720Again, cute. If this is all you have, feel free to stop replying any time.
I love reverse morals in stories though.
>>729149561NO DON'T SUCK MY COCK NOOOOOOOO
>>729155987What's the politics
>>729155663slave mentality. it is impossible to get you to think
>>729156112You've shown a complete inability to grasp formal logic down to failing to recognise the textbook example of a basic syllogism, instead seizing the opportunity to further reveal your historical illiteracy. Frankly, I don't really have to add anything more.
I always enter these threads just too late to get any (You)s from the christfags past their bedtimeIt's SEA all the way down, isn't it?
>>729153978Makes sense, most drama in gaming communities is initiated by women or faggots, also on business, friend groups, and projects
>>729145281>christianity is a stupid jewish larp designed specifically to bilk morons and the elderly out of their time and moneyDude, they fucking hate the Church, like actively. If you think they're doing a 28 dimensional bitflip maneuver, they aren't, the Church is basically their antithesis and their school children don't use + and they didn't sign with an X because it reminded them of school>WHAT ABOUT THE EVANGELICALSI said the Church, not your microcosm of cult cluster cells. Individualism was one of the worst things to ever come to the faith and you guys decide your obsession with individualistic interpretation and more is infinitely more valid than the reality of organized, condensed literature and stratified interpretations.
>>729156232You're saying this to me to avoid thinking. I suppose, in a way, that's the master morality, isn't it? Nothing and no one can force you to think. You can be stubbornly irrational and ignorant, and no one can do anything about it.
>>729145079I am a Christian>>729145281Retard, the Bible tells you Jesus came from the Jacob line. jews came from his brothers line. Its two different groups. JESUS' group were traditionalist who followed Hebrewism, the other side morphed into judiasm after Babylonian captivity. This is why most people confuse this part because they share a lot of similarities. Furthermore, once you get into the messages of Jesus look at the direction in which he sent his followers to preach, he said to his people and to his flock. Follow the path of Churches, they all lead through to Europe. All of them went North and West, not South, not East, or South East
>>729156164everything that's normal and successful in the contemporary west is bad and what's unsuccessful and brown is good.
>>729144453>what makes you think that a folklore creature metaphorically representing how the upper class preys on the lower classesWait was that the entire deal behind Dracula? Because I only just got this.
>>729146152So Pollyanna was based the whole time?
>>729156259>failing to recognise [sic] the textbook example of a basic syllogismIf that's how you're going to frame me staying put while you move the goalposts, then sure. "All men are mortal," there, is that what you wanted?
>>729149079Why do you insist defending kid diddling as well as general corruption and leeching of wealth from the poor(See some priests who have fuckton of money despite any teachings of bible)? Like nothing against the faith itself, it has been just used fucking horribly by the rich, but blindly defending anything that brands itself as [your religion] is moronic.Also funnily enough, and this is something many Christians will never accept, socialism and communism are more in line with Jesus' teachings than Capitalism ever will be.You can try and argue otherwise tho, because you will anyway defend kid diddling and insist being against that is being Jewish(while church openly supports Israel both in message and monetarily lmao).
>>729156164"There's no such thing as evil races."Never mind that orcs are fictional and a SPECIES, not a race.
>>729156412>Wait was that the entire deal behind Dracula?no. it is one of many valid interpretations of one tradition of vampires. monsters that suck the life/blood out of humans to sustain themselves are found in many cultures around the world, at many time periods under many social systems. Dracula in particular is a modern piece of western literature that takes motifs from near eastern european folklore.
>>729156405And orcs?
>>729156086I'm in the hospital, so I am a phonenigger today. It looks better on mobile that way.
>>729156605according to the most popular rpg system around today, (D&D 5e), they are a "background."race and species don't exist, for some silly contemporary political reasons
>>729152161then he should've given me cancer when I was a child, like he does from time to time. because children get a free ticket to heaven when they die. And allow abortion.
>>729143637Polyanna and Faelith are smashes. Next question.
>>729156524>socialism and communism are more in line with Jesus' teachings than Capitalism ever will be.Not him but Socialism is just nicer Capitalism, I don't think many believers would disagree with a higher social net and general help to other people instead of shit like war and corn syrup Anon. Communism actively hates religion however so that doesn't work, and their whole MO is incredibly abusive to many and generally untrustworthy while undermining structures of power.
>>729156521>recognise [sic]Ah, ignorant AND petty, what a winning combination.>If that's how you're going to frame me staying put while you move the goalpostsMy dear Anon, I don't think you'd recognise [sic] a goalpost if I shoved it up you. >"All men are mortal," there, is that what you wanted?LOL
>>729156678some people look at orcs and think, "there is a black person."they then have a kind of guilty religious response and think "black people are good actually, so orcs must also be good."
>>729156524You can tell this is a jewish/shabbos ppst because it finds so much to kvetch over a dumb reaction image.
>>729156683>in the hospitalass cancer?
>>729156605>Never mind that orcs are fictional and a SPECIES, not a race.Only since 5eR>>729156697No, backgrounds are something elseBloody secondaries
>>729143712>What's this? An OP expressing an opinion? >Time to immediately and reflexively deny it because that's my nature as a contrarian!Why are you like this? Is it fun?
>>729155987Them turning orcs into mexicans will never not be funny.
>>729156785Seems to me like you're seeing orcs as black people
>>729156818sorry, i started playing other games b/c 5e sucks as a rule set.
>>729156773>LOLPardon me for not clicking up the reply chain to remind myself exactly what you said; you really are testing my patience.
>>729156870Fun fact: OP did not express an opinion! Opinions are, by definition, about subjective matters. What OP is talking about should be objectively measurable, and if it isn't, he's just wrong.
>>729156887i'm an empath. i can see things through the eyes of other people, if i choose to.
>>729156908>Pardon me for not clicking up the reply chain to remind myself exactly what you saidFirstly, why the fuck wouldn't you do the least effort to prevent such an embarrassing mistake, if you're going for the "epic own"? And secondly, which premises would you use to arrive at "all men are mortal"?
>>729157031>why the fuck wouldn't you do the least effort to prevent such an embarrassing mistake, if you're going for the "epic own"?See the part you didn't highlight.>which premises would you use to arrive at "all men are mortal"?"Socrates was a man; Socrates was mortal."
>>729151843>When God gives a direct order, He is unmistakably making one that can be easily comprehended and interpreted by His children>You seem to believe that God is incapable of metaphorically crouching down and communicating on our leveMetaphor invites different interpretation based on cultural upbringing, life experience, context and language, and can, therefore, easily be misunderstood. Why doesn't he say directly what he wants? No metaphor, just clearly, explicitly what he wants? He is all knowing and omnipotent, so he doesn't need to use the very limited tool that speech is. He could simply project his commands directly into our brains, and, while he's at it, equip all our brains with the necessary assets to be able to understand anything he says correctly.
>>729156757>Communism actively hates religionSource?>USSR or ChinaBut like actual source on the whole ideology of communism hating on religion?
>>729156721 You're not wrong, anon. If the whole free ticket clause is true, then mercying the young is just good risk management for the soul. And yet, we're told it's wrong. Like we're being tested on whether we’ll follow the rules or actually use the logic He supposedly gave us. It's almost like the entire setup is for His entertainment, not our moral growth. Real Old Testament energy.
>>729157249What?
>>729155850kek
>>729143637No one will read this post but when this happened was around the whole tiefling thing in DnD.Tieflings are almost exclusively big chungus women and goth girls who got into DnD. From here they made it more appealing to their fanfic stories.Tieflings were the breach that allowed these chungus women in who then changed the space completely.
>>729157232>"Socrates was a man; Socrates was mortal."*Buzz* still wrong arsehole
>>729157469>actual source on the whole ideology of communism hating on religion?Not that anon; see the "Enlightenment," its clear ideological descendent.>>729157681I see why you decided not to highlight that one part.
>>729143712>they hated him because he told the truth
>>729157469Their foundational texts, practices, the fact its basically the largest enemy of a massive authoritarian state (yes, communism inherently has an authoritarian state that handles everything including the law, you're transferring all the power to just the state including economy and more ands it handles everything while demolishing most walls, it is authoritarian), the fact they repeatedly crush structures of power competing to them for which they consider most religions to be and the fact that generally speaking the ideas of a religion can directly influence the power structure and culture required for an authoritarian state to actively exist in practice of complete homogenous control of its populace.Communism, beyond its platonic ideal, requires a level of personal and ideological commitment that stops everything else besides the very selected points of view needed for it. If you want to be a communist, the State is your God, and the Work you do for it is Holy, and all Defiance is Sin. You turn whatever Deity into just the Party, moral code into state law and afterlife into normal life. If you want to do that, it's fine, but there's a reason why there's zero actual support from even Rome towards the larger political scale of Communism, its factually the practical antithesis of the Faith.
>>729157846>I see why you decided not to highlight that one part.To be clear, I'm not testing your patience, I'm testing your basic logic, and you're consistently failing.Last chance, what is the formal fallacy you committed?
>>729156314jesus specifically denies jacob in the sermon on the mount, you retard. 'matthew's false geneology does nothing to change the fact that jesus specifcally called him out as a false prophet who lied in the face of god by wearing the skin of a sheep to steal his brothers inheritance, and that the fate of the entire lineage of jacob is to be burned.
>>729155738>-a
>>729158036And regardless of whatever slop you just said, Judaism hates Christianity for what it is actively and feared signing the cross and even today has children not even putting plusses on basic mathematics, with them actively hating Christianity in general and not as some kind of huge massive plan. This truth isn't changed because of what you said.
>>729157976>what is the formal fallacy you committed?Continuing to pretend you're worth talking to.
>>729157846marx is after the enlightenment, in terms of years passing, but it employs no enlightened-rational thinking. he remarks in his memoirs that he wrote the manifesto with clear religious intonations (course of history, opressor/oppressed dynamic) because he felt manipulating people's religious instincts were the only way for his ideas to survive.
>>729157976>>729158281>I'm not testing your patienceI think I know my patience better than you ever will.>>729158294>[M]arx is after the enlightenmentYes, he's post-"Enlightenment." His "philosophy" was built on its foundation, just like the Founding Fathers. No, that is not a compliment.>he wrote the manifesto with clear religious intonations [...] because he felt manipulating people's religious instincts were the only way for his ideas to surviveThe quiet part out loud, from the rest of the "Enlightenment."
>>729157846>Enlightenment That would mean almost all ideologies are anti-religion that have used that, which is like everything.>>729157924>massive authoritarian state (yes, communism inherently has an authoritarian stateIt's hard to sometimes know if someone is trolling, bot, or just genuinely knows nothing or has read on anything related to topic they talk about.Feels like majority of the internet these days gets all their info from internet talking heads and forums instead of actually talking about the ideology with people or reading about it. It's strange.I genuinely don't understand. What even is the point? This isn't necessarily a diss on you, but the general way people interact on the internet.If you don't like communism or socialism, then fine. But at least know what you are talking about. this is on level of someone arguing a movie is bad because someone online said a movie is bad, and they have never watched the movie.Do go and read a bit about topics, preferably from the source. It is hard to read about ideologies you disagree with at first, but you shouldn't knowingly avoid actual source. Otherwise you are lying to yourself. And if you lie to yourself, then you can't trust yourself or your own thoughts. And then you are fucked. That applies to anything btw, not just this ideology shit. See: People who lie to themselves about eating healthy or alcoholics or druggies.
>>729158281That's not a formal fallacyYou're really bad at this>>729158506>I think I know my patience better than you ever will.And I know logic better than you ever will
>>729158521Thank you ChatGPT, but I noticed you didn't actually address any of the statements alluding communism as an authoritarian regime.
>>729158580nta. your entire smug tyrade is based on you begging the question at the offset. work on your communication skills
