gaming is saved
>AI GP-dropped
>>729148785they have to get inventors, ray tracing isn't used in AI, so that says a lot
>>729148545SAAAAR REDEEM THE POOTRACING!!
>>729148841>2x PCIe>2x DDR5what?
>15x performance and 50x ray tracingupscaled from 200p with 1000x frame gen
Honestly we need more competition to shake up the status quo. Resting on their laurels too long ruins companies. See Intel currently.
>>729148993Sad yet very likely.
>>729148545>move all manufacturing to China>"it's ok without us they'll NEVER be able to produce things themselves">you know what happened>cut China off from chips >"it's ok without us they'll NEVER be able to produce chips themselves"You know the rest. It's still going to be 2-3 years for RAM and 5 or so for GPUs but by then expect to see Chinese hardware flood the west. They'll be the underdog so they won't skimp and fuck over the consumer either unlike the current cartel pedo faggots in Taiwan and SK. Well, not the US, the US will tariff and sanction everything to make sure you pay a subscription for computing on the cloud so Altman, Musk, etc can make more money.>>729148993It's compared to their previous I think.
>>729149028what does Darwesh sing about tho
>>729148545>by hassam nasirtwo more weeks
>exclusive contract with huawei that uses 100% of gpu for data centers
>>729149028
>>729149167let me guess you also think Chinese cars and phones are high tech. stop falling for CCP propaganda
The chinese love to run their mouth and talk up their abilities then blame you for believing them when they fail to deliver.It's literally their culture.I see no reason that this will be any different.
>>729149441People don't buy good quality products, they buy cheap shit that is minimally passable. Guess who makes that.
>>729149689Nobody does good quality products anymore.
>>729148941yes, you need two PCIe 5.0 x16 slots side by side to run this bad boyonly the best indian motherboard has this
>>729149167Unfortunately said company already "diverting" most funding to other economy product.and with computer part being so complicated even setting up its factory can take you a year or two? I would be surprised if they actually release even low end stuff.
gonna wait until whitewell comes out
>china claimsRight...
>>729148545>AI GPU
>>729149689I do buy good quality products when it's not overpriced. It's all about doing some basic research before just throwing money at the first sale you find, anon. Anybody that is budget conscious does that for big purchases.
None of these companies claim they will be on par with Nvidia or AMD any time soon, it's entirely manufactured by currytech outlets like WCCF
>>729149441The Ford CEO drives a Chinese EV.
>>729149441Chinese mice are superior now
>>729149441>>729149689AMERIFATS living in their own bubble. The #1 vid on the interwebs in the west in the last week was a Marquis Brownlee vid on a Xiaomi SU7 EV.His conclusion : America car companies are fucked if they ever allowed chinese Cars in the US because they are that good at the price they are.Stop living in 1990s and try living in 2025 where China dominates high tech now
This is the 8th time China has released a GPU that is 10x or higher more powerful than what we've had since the Nvidia 3000 series released. How much longer until it stops being a headline and actually exists?
>meanwhile Chinese can remotely disable/control/monitor their electric cars/buses/etc they sell abroadWhat kind of direct control would they use with GPU?
>>729148545implessive
>>72915059China has never tried to make their own high end semiconductors until a few yrs ago when american sanctions hit them. They were happy to buy them from Samsung, NVIDIA, AMD, etc but when they realized that the west was willing to try to cut them off is when they are going 100% in now with national strategy.BTW 5 YRS ago, their national strategy (five yr plan) was renewables and cars. Today in 2025, china dominates renewable and EVs. Guess wut Is going to happen 5 yrs from now
>>729148785>retard can't parse single sentenceFucking ESLs.
>>729150824American geopolitics have been a clownshow for 40 years now, and it only gets worse every decade. They're putting all their eggs in the "LLMs will spawn AGI out of thin air and save us all" basket now.
>>729149441FUCKING BLOODY CHINKSHITS!!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9lA8HcS6Nw41k$ btw
>>729151073THIS IS CCP PROPAGANDA DELETE RIGHT NOW @cia @dhs @realdonaldtrump @narendramodi
>>729150590Chang, nobody here actually gives a shit about Markass Brownie. He’s a shill, that’s his job. He gets views because he gets botted, as part of his influencer contract.
>>729150593
>>729150590https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb6H7trzMfI
>>729151154all these China car export numbers up to 2024 excludes the US / Canada and some European nations.
>>729151341yes people will buy cheap products, thanks for the newsflash
>>729149441>let me guess you also think Chinese cars and phones are high tech. stop falling for CCP propagandaBYD cars literally shit all over any western electric vehicles though.
>>729148545>china did literally anything!I'll believe it when I see it.
>>729150590isn't this the dude that glazed the cybertruck and got shit on by everyone on the internet?
>>729149650It happens all the time, my favorite is with scientific/engineering achievements. >"We have finally created the first ever working [thing]. We are superior to you filthy American and European dogs.">'Oh, cool! Congratulations China! Can we see it?'>".................................no.">proceeds to never mention it again, until they claim to have actually created it for the first time ever again two years later
>>729148545i'm beginning to believe that Taiwan might not be a real country after all..
>>729150590>America car companies are fucked if they ever allowed chinese Cars in the USThis is the future of the US: a closed, 1984 style decaying society that tries to isolate itself to maintain the supremacy of their elite class. If they can't keep you in the state of poverty and slavery economically, they will do so by force before they give up on the idea. Society is not for you, it's for the elites, so there's no length they won't go to maintain the status quo. You're already seeing it, they don't want you to own compute at home, they don't want you to own a house, etc. They'll own everything and you'll rent it from them.Funnily enough, you can expect China, Iran, and North Korea to become more open in the future, while the US becomes more closed and isolated.
weebs still living in the 1990s and hate China for some reason in 2025. if you want prices to drop for PC components, you want more Chinese companies to compete with American tech companies.
>>729151525I'd rather buy a cheap chink GPU than a fucking 3000$ DLSS machine
>>729152390It's not weebs, it's mutts and jeets.
>>729152347>if these death machines That is literally a TESLA in your webm and not a Chinese EV.
>>729149650/thread
>>729149167Except they're in a situation where even though they have the products via back channel means they're years off in terms of development and it will take monumental overhauls in their technological sector to come anywhere close.The tariffs are retarded to a certain degree because there is zero chance they can keep stuff out of China paired with the fact that it stops companies within the US or Europe from caring to innovate because they have no reason to. There's also some merit to them because if China floods the market it genuinely will be impossible to deal with how cheap China can produce stuff simply due to how no one has a reasonable wage for anything there and how they've had decades of manufacturing no one in the west does. Security concerns are whatever, but China has the capability to upend every single market just from how many garbage low-quality products can be flung in every direction so that locally sourced products have their value proposition implode.>>729149441They are high tech in some areas. They're outright beating the west at battery technology and EV innovation at the very least. The question is reliability, quality control, and how long it lasts because many things they produce even on the high end are not done to western spec, tolerances, or QC and they will cut corners however and wherever possible.You can even see it in stuff like Strange Parts' videos where he wants to do things using Chinese sourced goods and there's always some issue somewhere. His latest video about doing a smart watch from Chinese parts is a great example where he buys a logic board from a Chinese vendor, the vendor emphasizes it's not been opened and he wanted to prove the quality control via his vendor sticker, and it didn't work at all when it came time to assemble it. Not to mention how many of China's home-grown products are outright scams (Just look at AliExpress, Temu, Wish, Tiktok Shop, Etsy, etc), underpromise, underdeliver, or come broken.
>>729152347hate to tell you this but you already have those
>>729149650This.They already claimed to have caught up with NVIDIA ages ago and when people in the west finally managed to get their hands onto one of those GPUs it ended up running CSGO worse than your +10 years old GTX 1000 series GPU.Don't believe any chinese bullshit until someone credible has verified it. On social media you will always have bots claiming that the chinese breakthrough is just a few weeks away.
>>729152535and a ching chong ping pong to you
>EV this EV thatAmericans stopped buying EVs years ago. The new hot thing are hybrids
>>729152535>China has the capability to upend every single market just from how many garbage low-quality products can be flung in every direction so that locally sourced products have their value proposition implode.So what you're saying is that the west can't compete? If western consumers think the supposed quality tradeoff is worth it, isn't that the free market? That is, if the whole "Chinese products are all low quality" argument was even true, which it isn't. BYD cars are higher quality than any western EV at the same price range, and even above.Not surprised that a tripfag is fucking retarded though.
>>729152585>Don't believe any chinese bullshit until someone credible has verified it.You're right, do not believe your lying eyes, wait for the ministry of truth to verify everything first.
>>729152738I'd rather not believe the lying chink
>>729148545>gaming GPU>AI GPUwhich is it
how's life in the chinese prison system chang?
>>729148941You need two slots to run this, and you can add whatever RAM configuration to it yourself with SO-DIMMs (given they support it)
>>729149689>People don't buy good quality products, they buy cheap shit that is minimally passable. Guess who makes that.I wonder...
>>729152823100% better than life in the american jail system, I can guarantee you that much.
>>729151271>all of the most important parts of the vehicle, like the start button, stick shift, fucking everything, are on small arms made out of the cheapest plastic you've ever seenGenuinely retarded design that only attracts retarded Americans because of some gimmick features. I'm betting this thing has even worse crumple zones than the Cybertruck, if any at all.
>>729152690>So what you're saying is that the west can't compete?I'm saying that the west can't compete because there isn't a single western country that will have its citizenry accept the cost to make these products at the level China is. Are you willing to go from a $20-$30 an hour factory job with a union to as low as $2.50 an hour where OSHA is nonexistent while working 75+ hours a week?https://www.fashiondive.com/news/shein-public-eye-factory-workers-hours-wage/716238/Just look at this. $800-1,300 a month is poverty is America for example. That's the federal minimum wage here which no state abides by, $15 is most state's minimums. You would have to have everyone in America, Europe, Japan, and Australia accept dropping their wages to this level to compete with Chinese cheap goods.>If western consumers think the supposed quality tradeoff is worth it, isn't that the free market?It is the free market, but then you introduce enormous issues in terms of safety concerns, health concerns, and more by allowing them to exist. Regulation is mandatory in any "free" market because otherwise why should anyone follow the FDA's guidelines? Why not just put asbestos in your walls to save money? Why not make pipes out of lead when it's cheaper than other metals? Who cares if you die early, you saved $10.>BYD cars are higher quality than any western EV at the same price range, and even above.We have zero idea how reliable they are in the long term, and many of the features they tout are literally spyware when it comes to smartphone integration or features people in the west don't even use because we don't use WeChat, QQ, etc.>>729153061>I'm betting this thing has even worse crumple zones than the Cybertruck, if any at all.No, Chinese EVs tend to excel at safety tests which they have to pass to even get sold in places like Europe. The main issue with them is no one has any idea how reliable they are in the long term i.e. 100k+ miles.
>>729152885>buying the cheap end of luxury vehicle>it falls apartShould've bought a rimac, but mutts are too obsessed with impractical vehicles
>>729148545Their last card was like 1060 tier.
>>729153176>No, Chinese EVs tend to excel at safety tests which they have to pass to even get sold in places like Europe.This exact model of car has been involved in multiple incidents in China where the doors wouldn't open after the battery caught fire.It's exactly like other Xiaomi products: a pretty exterior and eye-catching gimmicks, but everything else is utter garbage.
>>729153398Then I stand corrected. It was my understanding they can't even be released in Europe without passing the tests and they tend to score really high, typically above western-made cars in the safety tests.
>>729153426>no sources claim>immediately take it as a gospelChina Derangement Syndrome is one hell of a drug
>>729148545Thank you once again China.
>>729153426You're assuming the people buying these cars are getting them right off the lot, when it's always a bunch of rich faggots importing them directly without caring about the laws.Like those mini trucks, they're not road legal but people still import them directly anyways.
>>729150089>>729152807>mouthbreathing head-up-their-ass vantablack niggerjew dalit can't into reading comprehension
It's amazing how mutts are shitting on chinese cars, like they have no idea how the rest of the world sees their cars (utter garbage).
>>729153398>>729153614>uhm ackhsually the tests don't real, you need to get REAL information from the likes of @magapatriot and these 3 webms I foundGod I can't wait to watch China sink the USS St.Floyd near Taiwan.
>>729153759The orange retard had a 3 month meltdown over non-Americans wanting nothing to do with American cars (or beef).
>>729149167>It's still going to be 2-3 years for RAM and 5 or so for GPUs but by then expect to see Chinese hardware flood the westPresident Newsom will have a 500% tariff so you can't get your goyim hands on Chinese technology like with their cars. For your own good ;)
>>729148545Xi can't stop winning
>>729153791Motherfucker, even the mainland Chinese hate Xiaomi cars because they have utter shit build quality, lots of false advertising, and are all carbombs waiting to happen. The only ones gassing them up are the youtubers and social media faggots that are on Xi Jinping's payroll.
>>729153946>even the mainland Chinese hate Xiaomi carsReally? Then why are sales constantly going up? Not like they can't buy BYD or other brands.
>>729149441my oneplus 7 pro is literally the best phone I had so farso is my Lenovo laptop
>>729148993A 5090 has to upscale from 6 pixels to 4k and add in 29 fake frames to get the buttery smooth 30fps I get on my PS5 Pro. PC vegans stay losing.
>trusting china tech claims>everthese guys have claimed to have built room temp super conductors like a dozen times why would I trust their GPU claims (which they have also done a dozen times by now)
>>729149441>Chinese cars and phones are high tech. stop falling for CCP propagandaYou say this as if Chinese cars and phones aren't fucking everywhere today compared to 10 years ago when people would've rightfully mocked you for owning anything Chinese
>>729148785They unveiled the Lashan gaming chip along side the one mentioned in the OP (Huashan), so don't lose all hope. These new MooreThreads GPUs, plus Xiang Di Xian's Fuxi, Lisuan's 7G106, and Innosilicon's Fenghua make me very optimistic for 2026. Fingers crossed that we'll be allowed to buy them in the US.
>>729148545I only want to learn how they mod GPUs
>>729153550>immediately take it as a gospelNot at all, I just believe it since even on Google I'm finding mixed reports on BYD cars with most people being happy about their quality while others have had quality control issues that BYD mostly warranties.>China Derangement SyndromeI don't hate China at all, I just don't think propping them up on a pedestal and giving them the benefit of the doubt makes any sense when the vast majority of products coming out of the country have to be watched over by western companies to make sure they're made properly and not cutting corners or come with serious issues. Pardon me for being skeptical.I'm not even opposed to Chinese products, I own several Chinese emulator handhelds and play several Chinese-developed games, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I haven't regularly had issues with many of their home grown products. My first RG35XX-SP literally had the posts for the screws explode when I lightly unfastened them to try and open the system up because it comes with a fatal flaw that pierces the button domes if you use it for more than a month. Had to buy a completely new system because of it since they don't offer shell replacements and it would be almost impossible anyway.My RG34XX mandated me to open it up and use tape on the d-pad contacts because it was doing nothing but false diagonals.Even LTT got a home-grown GPU two years back and it could just barely run CSGO2 with massive frame drops. The comparison of that GPU was to a GT1030 which itself was significantly better overall.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGhfy3om9Ok
>>729152690> If western consumers think the supposed quality tradeoff is worth it, isn't that the free market? it's not free market because is china heavily subsidizes their EVs in addition to having different difference working conditions, so their cars will always be cheaper no matter the quality so they can just price dump western car manufacturers into bankrupcy and then all your automotive industry is controlled by china. i think the tarrifs + counter subsidies are the worst way tackle this since it hurts consumer the most and it's a huge corpo welfare policy paid by regular people who likely can't even afford a new car, but you can't let free market solve simply because there isn't any free market when it comes to global car manufacturing
>>729148545>yet another "China is about to release a tech that's 10+ times better than anything else on the market!" article
>>729148545Reminder that they'll never be available for sale outside of Chinaand they're still ImaginationTech IP>>729148941Indian scam company that still hasn't actually produced anything is pretending like an off the shelf Xilinx accelerator is a GPU.
>>729154779>china heavily subsidizes their EVsUnlike the US that DOESN'T subsidize car companies at all?>in addition to having different difference working conditionsYes, like every single other place in the world.>You can't let free market solve simply because there isn't any free market when it comes to global car manufacturingFeels like you don't understand that the free market always had governments in its formula. Nothing stops the US or any other country of simply copying China in its subsidies policies or counteract with their own policies.Feels just like the usual massive cope of people that don't want to engage with their own politics at all and wants the government to either not exist or just solve all their problems with no civilian intervention and gets pissy and "betrayed" when the government ends up shitting the bed.
>>729148545>moar gay tracing>no DDR RAM and SDDWhat's the fucking point, a better news will be CHINA FLOODS THE MARKET WITH MORE FUCKING RAM AND SDD.
>>729148545ok fine, now let's see that on the market....or maybe this is just another unbelievably expensive to produce thing made purely for flexing and capturing more state funds.
>>729155252>solve all their problems with no civilian interventionThat is exactly how ideal government should work.
I kneel before Xi
>>729148545and they said ai couldn't make games
>china makes claims
>>729152347why does the driver not simply manually control the car?
>>729148545Until someone makes something better than CUDA, Nvidia will own the market.
>>729155252>Unlike the US that DOESN'T subsidize car companies at all?it does, that was my point when i said >i think the tarrifs + counter subsidies are the worst way tackle this> simply copying China in its subsidies policies or counteract with their own policies.lots of people think this is a solution, but it has 2 issues. 1) this only works if your country can dump as much money into subsidizing EVs as china, so maybe US could manage it, but smaller countries will just bankrupt themselves over EV if they pursued this policy2) don't cry when allr middle class money goes to billionaires like elon musk and automotive industry executives because all they have to do is make a car without even having to make it good or profitable since the government (read: you) will pay for it no matter what.
>>729149441damn I didn't know china controlled japan now, what's up with all the drama lately then lol
>>729155252>Yes, like every single other place in the world.Except in this case no one can compete with it unless every single car is subsidized $20k-30k bare minimum by the government so that the car company can sell equal to what China is offloading these cars for. Chinese companies have the ability to pay someone worse than the lowest minimum wage in the United States and force them to work twice as long for that pay because that's their standard of living. By default this means that the minimum price of making the car is going to be tens of thousands of dollars less than anything produced in the west simply due to the fact OSHA, regulations, unions, and worker's rights do not exist in China remotely to the degree they do in any western country which drives up wages and price.I don't understand how you can't grasp this simple fact. Competing with China on a level playing field means that every single worker would need to functionally live like a homeless person that works like a mindless automaton and the government takes a significant loss on every single car produced by that factory for years. Not to mention sourcing all the various other materials which will by default be at higher costs due to how mines and other industries also operate with these higher standards and cost of living.Go watch someone like Destin from SmarterEveryDay try to make a grill brush in the US using only US companies and produced material. Even though the metal is sourced in the US, the factories are in the US, and the product is made in the US it costs 5x as much for random things like screws or chain links solely because of the overhead required to hire the people who can machine said parts and having to pay for the people who mine stuff in the country.
>>729149167Yeah, the moment Biden restricted China, I knew it would just push them to good old reverse engineering and breeding new Chinese chips.
>>729148785It's not 100% a vidya GPU, it's more or less China hitting peak Butterfly Labs in the AI race, but mostly because they need to segregate high-end AI/govt. AI bullshit (Nvidia) and everyone else AI bullshit (the in-house shit), but again, they aren't even trying to target high-end grafix, they want something that can proompt in place of Nvidia shortageshttps://www.techspot.com/news/108414-china-first-gaming-gpu-lisuan-g100-performs-like.htmlShow us the raster/vidya performance, Xi, we need another S3 to laugh at
>>729156201Its just licensed IP. Several companies in China license Imagination arch.Even for intel up to 40% of their revenue in some quarters was coming from China. Its retarded to think you can ignore a market that big.
At this point, I don't care.If the chinese step in and deliver, I will renounce the capitalist western pig world
>>729148545Nonwhites always overhype and underdeliver their productsWake me up when the Chinks finally conquer Taiwan.
>>729154779Working conditions is largely irrelevant anymore.The big factor is China subsidizes energy extensively. Energy, literally 'the ability to do work'. Once you engage in automation energy is the single most important factor in - you guessed it - work.China will always be at an advantage so long as a significant portion of their economy is functionally 'reinvested' back into the energy used to produce.Now that intellectual pursuits are being automated, this is all the more important. Machine Learning the R&D is a very real thing, and China is going to completely leave everyone in the dust that doesn't adopt a very serious, ecology mostly be damned, energy policy. It's such a simple relationship, it's baffling energy isn't the prime interest of governance anywhere.
>>729148545Fake Hardware Fake FramesFake ContentFake Games
>>729155957>Asians give preferential treatment to their ownthis doesn't prove anything
>>729151021>esl's attacking other esl's
>>729149441>Chinese propaganda ):<>American propaganda (:
>>729154429>Fingers crossed that we'll be allowed to buy them in the USsure you will, with a 100% tariff
>>729158251Not even. These are for mainland China only. They won't even try to sell globally.
>>729154636I'm a big fan of remanufactured Chinese GPUs on Ali and Amazon. I got a "new" RX580 for $80 with a three year warranty for another $12. Still works, too.
>>729154636When the $20000 Nvidia datacenter cards from like 2023 come off warranty and get dumped I really want to see what the Chinese make of them.
>>729149167>. It's still going to be 2-3 years for RAM and 5 or so for GPUsIt's going to be a lot sooner than that, multiple Chinese RAM manufacturers are rumored to IPO next year and Huawei unveiled their roadmap with super suspicious numbers because if you do the math they need to have figured out EUV for them to make any senseI guess it kinda fell under the radar because no Westeners bothered to attend SEMICON (which is alarming btw)
>>729152851>ddr5 ram, not gddr7it's too early for april fool's
>>729160147>I guess it kinda fell under the radar because no Westeners bothered to attend SEMICON (which is alarming btw)I wouldn't be surprised if they were outright banned from doing so by the US. Sticking their heads in the ground has been the preferred tactic until now.
>>729160372Xilinx accelerators do not use loose timing GDDR memory
>>729155435Not a democratic one. If you want that, just pick your god emperor/generalissimo of choice and fight your way into shoving them into power.>>729155851I won't because I'm not american.>>729155982Seems like a US problem to me then.At the end of the day, for anybody that isn't the US and maybe the EU, it's just changing the people that is making the thing they've been importing all this time anyways, but this time with the remote chance of actually getting some tech and production in their own countries since other countries CAN afford to pay less than the US.Seems like you guys played yourselves and now expect everybody else to care when you went out of your way to cut off business and diplomatic ties with as many countries as you could and now are acting like Russia, threatening to attack foreign territories for oil and resources on the vain attempt and keeping your fake economy running.I'll say what the rest of the world will say if China takes over: Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, except maybe even slightly better because they are actually culturally isolationists and don't want anything to do with other countries in the West besides selling them shit.
>>729160641>Seems like a US problem to me then.Nope, it's a US, South America, Europe, Australia, and Asia problem. Even South America is starting to tariff China now because they simply cannot compete with some of their products and China is refusing to raise the value of the Yuan so other countries can compete in its market.
>>729160565Nope, i was even caught off guard because normally i just ask around and have one of the dozen or so people that attend these events write a report for meWe actually considered hiring and sending our own correspondent but we didn't have the time to organize itMy company has enough Chinese speakers so we didn't exactly "miss out" on anything but it's just another example of the West seemingly disconnecting from reality and pretending it's still the 90'sAnd I'm not the only one noticing this trend of people just accepting that they can't compete and instead creating a bubble, not bothering to track what's coming out of China
>>729158107Americans don't pretend they've cracked cold fusion every other week
>>729148545Been hearing this shit for twenty years now. Either release a cheap GPU in the next decade or shut the fuck up.
pleaseee I can't afford pcs save meeeee Xi Jinping
>>729148545>super ultra ground breaking new chinese tech!!!1!1>can we see it?>"no"
There are a lot of people ITT who haven't bought enough Chinese crap.Luckily, I have a mom who is addicted to Temu junk so I'm well aware of how they have 0 quality control and will quite literally ship fucking ANYTHING and charge you full price.>just buy a GPU or a fucking car made of Chinesiumlol no i dont think i will
>>729163203And then this retard enters the thread
>>729148545Thank you Xi
I'm actually rooting for China because seeing burgers upset is very funny
>>7291633042 more years until chink GPUSThe last 2 decades of them saying this same thing were just a prank, this time is real
Why is it named Moore Threads instead of Dingdong Glodendragon Coolguy Corporation
>>729148545
>>729163440The irony of you not realizing how dumb you are. Its incredible.The Chinese domestic market is rife with bespoke CPUs and GPUs. The only error(you) retards make is in thinking they have any intention of trying to sell them outside of China. They don't. Its domestic market only. Mainlanders can buy MooreThreads GPUs right this second. They can buy Loongson powered laptops and desktops. They can buy VIA/Zhaoxin desktops. They can buy Hygon desktops and servers with 4 way SMT. Pretending like it doesn't exist only makes you look like an underage child.
>>729151525they arent cheap anymore.and the latest BYD beat the Telsa flagship in the german TÜV testunironically chyna numba won
>>729148841>160gb memoryso the card will be $20000?affordable gaming is here, brought to you by india
>>729163690>0.50 yuan deposited in your account
>>729163690damn da guh you can calm down
>>729163787They'll never even produce a test board. Jeet VC funding scam. All they did was pretend like they use an already existing Xilinx chip for graphics with their magic software that still doesn't actually exist yet
>>729163440moore threads gpus have been on the market for years, they have good specs but their drivers suck and have compatibility issues, at least they had 2 years ago the last time I saw them, I can believe that they increased performance by 15x with better drivers and architecture, at which point they're a decent cheap option for general gaming, you can get around 80 fps on high settings in gta 5 with them before, as a benchmark for where they at, if they say that they 15x'd that then that's pretty good, not like the biggest achievement in the universe but pretty good, and if the price is low then sure why not
>>729156201>Yeah, the moment Biden restricted ChinaSad to see someone so disinformed. This started with the kidnapping of the Huawei daughter in 2018.
>>729148841surprised they didn't put 16K@640Hz while they were going at italso the price will be between $10 and $20, right?
>>729149650their dominance is inevitable, its not like there's that much difference between the industrial and tech capabilities of taiwan and mainland china.
I think the main issue is that people don't understand how to read this headline, moore threads gpus had pretty ass performance despite their specs, if they're saying that it's 15x better now then that just puts them on the level of a general gpu, maybe it'll make gpus cheaper, even by just eliminating the chinese market for western card makers so there's more gpus for the west but we'll see how things go
Someone explain why chuddie types are so obsessed about china
>>729165521Half of faggots think gook hardware will somehow save them from rising prices in the western world.The other half of faggots think that gook hardware doesn't actually exist at all.>>729165501It did take them a long time to iron out their drivers. ImaginationTech never really had to deal with Windows in any meaningful way in recent history.
Chinks should mass produce DDR5 RAM and watch corrupt gooks burnFirst America will try to ban imports but there will be enough grey zone smugglers to make it in the market but the rest of the world will gladly dump gook RAM for cheap Chink ones
>>729149441Been using a Poco F2 Pro since 2020no burn-in, runs everything well and the battery still lasts 2-3 daysbest purchase I made in the last decade
>>729165690CXMT will be pushing out around 30,000 wafers of DDR5 per month. You'll never see it though. Like most of their hardware it is entirely for their own domestic market.
Funny how I googled it, and the reddit thread was a 100 times more informative than this retarded thread just autistically screeching racist slurshttps://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1pseaog/moore_threads_unveils_nextgen_gaming_gpu_with_15x/
>>729165817Only because Chinks know that these RAM will probably get banned in Western countriesThe moment a few of these get smuggled and they get tested like any other PC hardware if they're good enough the cross border smuggling will increase tenfold and they'll start shitting more RAM
>>729151341hmm what a coincidence they've been booming since covid maybe they're the ones who caused it surely not!
>>729149167Anon, we already see how fake electronic component from China flooded everything
>>729152347mutts are so fucking retarded it's incredible
>>729152546
>>729166010China will continue to produce hardware explicitly for their own domestic market regardless of what America pushes as policy towards them. They are building totally parallel infrastructure to cut off all dependence on foreign nations. CXMT DDR5 will be sold exclusively in China exactly as Zhaoxin processors were despite have no import ban placed on them.
>>729152431>3000$ DLSS machineI think this is the real big point to make here, Nvidia keeps doubling down on their fake FPS gains instead of actually making a good enough and cheap GPU for everyone.
>>729165848>reddit post>look inside>tomhardware link>plebbitors screeching is even more retarded than this thread
>>729148545>AI gpudie
>>729148545It is funny how chinks, after realizing they weren't going to make us give up on AI, have just resorted to their old strategy of making shit up again.
>>729164332I'm all in for breaking taiwan kneecaps and it's stranglehold in the world, but every time, without fail for the last decade the mainland chinks never delivered.
>>729166693What makes you dumb little kids just show up and post nonsense that makes you look stupid?https://www.imaginationtech.com/products/gpu/img-dxd-gpu/
>>729166456That's because the Zhaoxin is a shit CPU even against IntlelThere's also no shortage of CPUs so there's no point for non-Chinks to mass buy itThere's a RAM shortage up until 2030
>>729166889>hardware exists>chinks in china are buying it>they are buying enough of it to keep the company afloat with enough R&D to keep licensing newer IP >hurrr durrr they don't deliver!>>729166990Clueless retarded child.Performance vs intel or AMD is not why these companies keep their hardware in the mainland.
>>729148545>AI GPULERMAOOOOO
>>729150590>America car companies are fucked if they ever allowed chinese Cars in the US because they are that good at the price they are.I believe it. You can produce goods at very competitive prices if you have a complete disregard for worker's safety/rights and general wellbeing.
>>729149441Where the fuck do you think Tesla cars are manufactured?
>>729160918Nah, not really. South America's issue was always how their governments were weird pseudo-socialists or bootlicking "right wing" politicians that would sell their whole country just for the chance to live in Miami.If South America is in any way worried, it was due to their own fault for wasting time not industrializing themselves and you are wrong either way because South America is lapping up Chinese infrastructure and investments like crazy, like the massive port they helped build in Peru and all the EVs they are exporting there. The "raise" in tariffs is just lip services Brazil and Argentina are doing because their cattle businesses are owned by highly infuential people in politics and they have to appease them.
>>729150605>this thing that is also possible in the US is bad when someone else does it but good when the US does it
>>729166990>>729167090This. It doesn't matter if the performance isn't as good as Intel or AMD if they have full control of its production and development and attend their internal needs.
>>729160641>Seems like a US problem to me then.again, the only way the rest of the world could compete with china's output and price factor would be to reduce the quality of life of everyone to china's hellish level. you seem to be either ignoring or dodging this point, or you seem to think there's not a problem with that.
>>729167384We will gladly jump into the chinese arms just to escape the US boot, at the first chance we get we will stab the burgers and churrasco them.
>>729167532This is why tariffs are a good thing. Otherwise it's a race to the bottom. Who can make the most goods at the cheapest prices? Well, it's whoever exploits their workers the most, gives the least shit about quality control, and just dumps all their trash in the nearest river
>>729152390I hate capitalism and free markets when someone else does it though
>>729167532Why would China being in control instead of the US be any bigger problem for anybody besides the US if they get the same product, for the same price and same quality (Possibly way cheaper than the US)?Why would they be more or less annoyed with Chinese policies when the US has been floundering with their policies and tariffs for years now?I'm not dodging or ignoring the point, there is no point for other countries as long as they get the products they want and, if they truly want to be self sufficient, just follow China's own example and spend the time and money into actually modernizing their industries.
>>729148545the conditions and stage is set for a complete china takeover of the tech industry and the west only has itself to blame, i for one welcome the chinese century the west has attacked the people for far too long THEY DESERVE TO FAIL, AND CHINA DESERVES TO SUCCEED AND MARK MY WORDS THEY WILL.
>>729167384>The "raise" in tariffs is just lip services Brazil and Argentina are doing because their cattle businesses are owned by highly infuential people in politics and they have to appease them.Mexico is doing it in many of the sectors because they can't compete with Chinese exports.Argentina is doing it because the entire country is pretty much bankrolled by the US bailing it out currently.The US tariffs have definitely pushed China into Brazil and Venezuela's hands, especially since the drug boat stuff in Venezuela recently, but it's all over the place currently and Mexico isn't exactly happy right now with China.
>people are so asshurt about America that they'd unironically prefer China being the next top dogconsider for a moment what that world would look like
>>729148545And then we woke up
>>729167804The chinks never stole my ships or bombed and coup'd my country for disagreeing with them.
>>729167618Exactly. the US turned all this into a market competition, so why should South America care either way where their PC parts are coming from?>>729167639>Shit quality controlMaybe 10 years ago. Now that Intel is literally shipping oxidized CPUs and proprietary software out of the wazoo, the whole world is seriously just fine with the chinese alibaba gamble of buying chinese GPU/CPUs and seeing if it works. It will be a fraction of the cost anyways and if it fucks up, they can just try again.Better than the self-important stance US takes with them selling anything to anybody like they are the second coming of christ or something.
>>729167723we have this thing called OSHA, we have (some) worker's rights. those are the reason we cannot beat china because we cannot exploit our workers to the bone like that. there is no "modernization", it's all slave labor and subsidy paid for by citizens through taxes, something america and the rest of the world won't put up with. again, china winning is bad simply because it will encourage the reduction of quality of life for everyone.
>>729167804YOU FUCKING DID THIS YOU HAVE ABUSED THE PEOPLE FOR TOO LONG, YOU HAVE INTENTIONALLY PUNISHED THE PUBLIC WHILE EXTRACTING ALL THE WEALTH YOU POSSIBLY CAN, YES I FUCKING DO SUPPORT THE CHINESE OVER YOU CRIMINAL FUCKING PEDOPHILES, KILL YOURSELF.
>>729167649>free market>Corporations earn most of their money from government contracts and tax breaks>Any time any competition crops up, it get smashed with legislation or bought out>free>marketThen again, it does seem about as free as Muricans are.
>>729167804I don't care who's the top dog at all, I'm just not going to cry myself to sleep that the US fucked up hard enough that China is now a viable option. That's on you retards, not on us. >>729167754This pretty much. If China is in any way a viable "threat", that's on the west for fucking up so hard.
>>729167804brother the only counter to the tech oligopoly is competition, where else would competition come from? You think an American startup is just going to appear and start building consumer GPU's and RAM? I would much prefer USA made everything but guess what that is a fucking fairytale
>>729167945because until recently they couldn't, and they haven't had a reason to do so yet. Do you really think they'd care about people any more than America does?>>729167970Out of the frying pan and into the fire lmao good idea
>>729167970>YOU HAVE INTENTIONALLY PUNISHED THE PUBLIC WHILE EXTRACTING ALL THE WEALTH YOU POSSIBLY CANwhat the fuck do you think china's gonna do? what the fuck do you think china's BEEN DOING FOR DECADES now? you think you're gonna be any better off?
>>729167969>something america and the rest of the world won't put up with.I'm sure all of the spics working on the farms and the h1b jeets are paid just as much as a regular citizen
>>729168063you know organic public support for china is going to keep growing and your impotent rage makes my cock hard as diamonds, i can't fucking wait to see the west get completely fucking dominated, NO OLIVE BRANCHES TO THE PEOPLE, NO FUCKING GOOD WILL, NOTHING AT ALL SO YES I DO FUCKING WANT THAT, china is offering warm blankets and support why wouldn't i want that when my fucking country offers me nothing but pain and suffering because i wasn't born a millionaire.
>>729167969And? The end result is the same. Cheaper products with similar quality. That's the bottom line and all the other countries just won't bother to compete directly and focus on local production for local needs. Isn't that was the US wanted? Be able to focus on the national market and not be worried about globalist issues and demands. Y
>I want livable wages, environmental protection laws, worker's rights, and decent living conditions for people>FUCK THE USA CHINA WILL GROW LARGER
Right now in 2025, China produces most of the low & mid end chips that goes into cars, appliances, etc worldwide. That was what all the Nexperia illegal takeover by the Dutch government was about. China produces its own DDR5 RAM, NAND, etc right now. It is the high end that China cant do right now & that is only because they havent put the resources into it. Guess what ... China is now putting all its efforts into it now because the West / US are using sanctions to try to slow down China in its advancement. So it isnt just economic but political now which is more incentive that China will win. That is why Jensen / NVIDIA was so against the bans against selling its products to China because he knows what China is a capable of & he doesnt want the future competition. Losers in here saying China cant do havent been paying attention the last 10 yrs where China has surpassed the West / Japan in major tech sectors. Keep your head in the sand.
>>729168093Again, then why should I care either way?Repeat after me: 'Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
>>729168218AND THATS A GOOD THING.
>>729168298It's because the West was shortsighted and outsourced all the manufacturing to China because it was waaaaay cheaper despite having to be shipped around the planet 2-3x before the product was finished and delivered. Then they got too dependent on foreign cheap disposable labor.
>>729168218You can have all that. Chinese workers are the ones being exploited. I didn't know you were so invested in the well being of people working in factories on the other side of the world that you'll never ever see, anon. How humanitarian of you.
>>729168063>They would do that because (HEADCANNON)Even if the chinks went to the exact route of the burgers, it would take decades until they have the tools and subversion in place to enforce it, so at the worst possible scenario we would have a reprieve.Do you think the monroe doctrine was something good you faggot? We will work with literal niggas from the blackest parts of angola and the most cutthroat chink to escape it.
>>729168434>working in factories on the other side of the worldWe should care, i stopped buying things a long time ago for this reason, i will not support things made with slave labour
>>729168462>>729168179>>729168434this is the emotional logic that leads to wise, long-term plans
>>729168462watch them not do it, i have it on VERY good authority they won't because they see the pitfalls the west went into by doing so and will want to avoid the same problems down the line, its just easier to not abuse the people GOODWILL GOES A LONG FUCKING WAY AND THE WEST ESPECIALLY THE UNITED STATES DOESN'T FUCKING GET THAT A COUNTRY IS NOTHING WITHOUT ITS PEOPLE.
>>729148545nice claims, where are the benchmarks?
>>729168550>You see, you were under the boot for 100 years, what about 100 more?Man it's going to be so funny watching the burgers burn, karmic retribution and all of that.
>>729168194>And? The end result is the sameeither you're shilling or you're not part of the working class to fail to see why worsening worker's conditions across the globe in yet another race to the bottom to keep the numbers going up is a bad thing.>>729168331oh, I'm replying to the same person twice. nice to know the CIDF is out and about.
>>729168550im so fucking angry at the united states you have no fucking clue man, and their are FUCKING LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE ME, keep ignoring me, keep ignoring the warning signs you're about to fucking find out my guy.
>>729168701>>729168669These people genuinely think they'd be better off under a Chinese boot than an American or Russian one. They cannot be reasoned with.I'm glad Japan is building up their self-defense forces to keep China in line. All these other little countries just beg for American protection and then complain about it the whole time.
>>729167995you're right, we should deregulate everything and open our markets to other competitors, US based firms would surely then not engage in monopolistic practices, we just aren't doing REAL capitalism
>>729167723>Why would China being in control instead of the US be any bigger problem for anybody besides the US if they get the same product, for the same price and same qualityFirst off you're not getting it in the same quality. That is objectively not a thing and decades of Chinese products and regulations are examples of that. Go look at AYN who refuse to honor warranties, Retroid who refuse to acknowledge defects, the entire Chinese handheld emulation scene which requires CFW because they drop official support instantly, the FPGBC which still has yet to fix major issues with its platform or go open source, or any of their home grown storage which are almost always lying about their capacity.Second, it causes everyone's standards of living to drop to China's level to compete at all and forces quantity over quality to keep up with it. China doesn't care about OSHA, doesn't care about unions, and doesn't care about workers revolting due to unfair wages or working conditions because it stamps them out. In order for any modernized country to compete with China they have to drop their living standards and quality control to slave-like levels to get the prices China has. It is a net negative for anyone not worse off than China to do so and that is a huge chunk of the world.>Why would they be more or less annoyed with Chinese policies when the US has been floundering with their policies and tariffs for years now?Because China is not a stable country or economy and is regularly having issues like the very recent housing bubble pop rear its head. The US is heading for a recession and so is everyone else by proxy, but historically the US economy has been stable because it doesn't do radical shifts like China does. Just go look at the Belt and Road Initiative which has left so many countries in dire straits because China gave money to countries that could not afford to repay the money back when the western countries already knew they couldn't which is why they didn't.
>>729148545Oh that sounds nice, let's see the benchmark tests from a company that isn't under the thumb of the CCCP>There are noneevery single time.....
>>729168530I will and most of the US was buying just fine. Iphones being made by chinese children were some of the biggest selling items of the decade. Out of sight, out of mind.>>729168550What? Now the rest of the world has to care about long-term issues when the US has been literally betting the world economy in the speculative market and any tech fad they can find? Do your best, America. I actually wouldn't mind either way if you improved or not, but China is just beating you at the game you set up and changing the rules because you just got tired of setting the rules yourself.Again, not losing any sleep over it, I'll be just as fucked/fine either way.
>>729168701>im so fucking angry at the united states you have no fucking clue manat the end of the day you will still be a powerless third-worlder who's entire country exists to prop up another, bigger country's economy. or are you gonna do something about that?
>>729168625Why should they, the south america wants affordable electronics, chinks want commodities, everyone winsThe chinks themselves started doing shady shit like debt traps with the niggers in africa and they quickly stopped because they realized that not doing (((their))) tactics was much easier.
>>729168797>All these other little countries just beg for American protection and then complain about it the whole time.>t. literal pirateThe US doesn't offer protection, they offer a Racket you nigger, you are barking on the wrong tree if you think the world will come to help you when you collapse, all of the subversion will come to bite you in the ass.
>>729168867its just easier and more profitable in the long run to build long standing good will, the united states USED to understand that the people are the backbone of a nation and thus our liberty and prosperity was priority NUMBER 1 and that died because shareholder profits and ceo buying mega yahcts matters more than the happiness and liberty of the american public, washington cares about billionaires and millionaires not everyone else, china cares about everyone and thats the fucking difference.
>>729169048>if you think the world will come to help you when you collapseWe already know that none of our "allies" are worth a shit, no news there.>all of the subversion will come to bite you in the assIt will, and then things will be even worse for you. We still have everything we need to be self-sufficient, meanwhile your country would collapse without trade. You are a child.
>>729168672Anon, it will only worsen workers conditions around the world if the workers allow it to happen. That's as simple as that. If anything, the fact that this whole thing showed that the race to the bottom is only a thing if people bother to race. Elective tariffs and picking and choosing which industries to focus will be the new standard if China truly just becomes the defacto cheapest option, the same model places like Switzerland already have. Governments will just need to adapt.>oh, I'm replying to the same person twice. nice to know the CIDF is out and about.Anon, if the fact that me pointing out that the rest of the world isn't nearly as invested on where their TVs come from is already enough to consider me a CIDF, then you are the USDF in this case. It is what it is.>>729168805>First off you're not getting it in the same quality. That is objectively not a thing and decades of Chinese products and regulations are examples of that. Go look at AYN who refuse to honor warranties, Retroid who refuse to acknowledge defects, the entire Chinese handheld emulation scene which requires CFW because they drop official support instantly, the FPGBC which still has yet to fix major issues with its platform or go open source, or any of their home grown storage which are almost always lying about their capacity.Then go open source or crack your own version of the software. China did that, just do what they did.>Second, it causes everyone's standards of living to drop to China's level to compete at all and forces quantity over quality to keep up with it. See the above statement. The market adapts or dies out trying to out-compete, their choice.>Because China is not a stable country or economy and is regularly having issues like the very recent housing bubble pop rear its head.That's simply not true when compared to the US and its constant changes in focus, policies, tariffs, etc, specially with how polarized their two main parties are. 1/2
>>729169160i pray for the downfall of my country the united states everyday because tyrants run my country who hate liberty.
>>729169115>china cares about everyone and thats the fucking differenceThey don't even care about the fucking Chinese lmao not that America is much better but cmon man
>>729149441At least chinese phones don't explode when the mossad orders a public massacre lol
>>729169235WHERE IS THE ECONOMIC RELIEF YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT, WHY ARE MY PEOPLE STRUGGLING TO BUY FOOD AND HAVE HOMES IN THE RICHEST COUNTRY ON FUCKING EARTH, HOUSING IS NOT FOR SPECULATION BUT TO BE LIVED IN, THATS A FUCKING QUOTE FROM XI JINGPING HIMSELF, SO DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FUCKING PRODUCTIVE TO RESPOND WITH OR ARE YOU JUST GOING TO KEEP BEING A FUCKING TYRANT?
>>729148545China will end surpassing America but burgers don't wanna admit it.
>>729148545I'll believe it when I see it.
>>729169160Newsflash landwhale, you never had allies, you had forced vassals and your own government worked tirelessly to strip your entire self sufficiency from you.>Your country would collapse without tradeUnfortunately for you my diabetes friend, unlike your country, we actually produce food and goods, and not empty numbers on a spreadsheet.
>>729169295Yeah, exploding at random is much better
>>729148785This
>>729148545Implessive.
>>729169225>>7291688052/2>Regularly having issues like the very recent housing bubble pop rear its headWhich didn't really matter because being a communist regime, they just ate the costs, punished the people involved and moved on. The market didn't crash at all and continued just fine.>he US is heading for a recession and so is everyone else by proxy, but historically the US economy has been stable because it doesn't do radical shifts like China does. China had less radical shifts in the last 15 years than the US had. You are talking about talking points from almost 2 decades ago.>Just go look at the Belt and Road Initiative which has left so many countries in dire straits because China gave money to countries that could not afford to repay the money back when the western countries already knew they couldn't which is why they didn't.Countries that already were in dire straits, hence why they agreed to it and the US was not a better option. You are just spouting the most superficial takes ever in an argument about why someone should care about the US losing influence over China. It's the fucking same, except slightly better because China's grip wouldn't be as tight at the start or they wouldn't care as much about the West.
Chinese culture believes that if you have the opportunity to cheat or otherwise take advantage of someone, and you choose not to do so, then you are a naive fool. Indian culture is similar. I'd say it's just an Asian/jewish thing, but Korea, Singapore, and Japan don't seem like that so I dunnothey also hate skeletons lol
>>729169235I CAN'T FUCKING AFFORD TO LIVE IN THIS FUCKING COUNTRY, I CAN'T AFFORD TO FUCKING EAT, I CAN'T AFFORD MY OWN FUCKING PLACE, I CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE A A FUCKING FAMILY, WHAT THE FUCK IS THE FUCKING POINT IN SUPPORTING A COUNTRY WHO HAS FUCKING MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT SHAREHOLDER PROFITS IM SO FUCKING ANGRY MY FUCKING BLOOD IS BOILING IM SO FUCKING MAD
>>729169386America is the biggest food exporter in the world. The government even pays farmers and ranchers to destroy large amounts of what they produce, for the purpose of keeping the production going even when it isn't economically viable.
>>729169395They are chinkphones, not Iphones, burgerman.
>>729169340If you remove the military from the equation, in every other measure from infrastructure, lifestyle, safety, health, etc China surpassed the US like 10 yrs ago
>>729169115>>729169235I think a better way of putting is that China sees everybody else as an "equal" business partner as long as you don't get involved in Chinese politics or affairs, which is limited to Japan, Korea and SEA stuff. In contrast, the US sees itself as the harbinger of western morals and standards and sees places like Africa and LATAM as just places for them to bask in their monetary glory and give out handouts. China sees them as just another nations to negotiate with and will be as helpful or ruthless as required.
>>729169598Maybe you shouldn't live in the city if you aren't rich.
>>729169475That's indian culture, chinese culture is about "You get what you paid for" and "The government is more trust worthy than my neighbor"
>>729169671I WOULD FUCKING STRANGLE YOU IF I COULD HOLY FUCK IM ANGRY RIGHT NOW IM SHAKING.
>>729169605Good, then why do you care if other countries starve or not? You are self sufficient, just keep it to yourself as you are yelling at the skies that you want to. Close your borders, make your own food, isolate yourselves as much as you want and leave the rest of the world to China. Win-win, as far as I see.
>>729155093Especially for GPUs, i've been reading this shit for the last 10 years
>>729169605>Biggest food exporter*>*(In value)Reality will come crashing down like a burger on fent.
>>729169798And they've been making CPUs/GPUs for just as long, just not as good as the high-end stuff. Now that they are cut off from it, they have the political and economic reasons to just get that shit done.
>>729149118which is funny because intel was trying to get into the gpu market but were fucking lazy about it. i bet they're kicking themselves that they missed out on the ai cash cow
>>729169763This is such a naive opinion. You'll probably get what you want though, America is definitely in decline, and you will miss it, mark my words.
>>729169235It does but for the population as a whole not specifically for (you), that was also case in the west before ww2 fucked up everything forever since. There is no national cohesion left in the west, be it europe or america.
>>729169115>china cares about everyoneWhat the hell kind of copium are you huffing right now? They don't even care about the people outside of their major cities. People are literally being ousted from their farmland so that they can build more buildings no one lives in because they think it'll be a new hotspot of activity. Go look at that one city Xi has put a huge amount of effort into propping up with a direct train line in it and everything. No one lives there. They have entire multiplex malls that no one goes to because there is no demand to live in the area.How about the new BYD factory in Brazil having Chinese workers become passport slaves?https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/chinese-workers-byd-brazil-factory-signed-contracts-with-abusive-clauses-2025-01-31/What about the ridiculous working conditions at Foxconn that refuse to get fixed?https://chinalaborwatch.org/china-labor-watch-raises-serious-concerns-over-alleged-labor-violations-at-foxconn-iphone-17-factory/The entire Belt and Road Initiative was to push soft power into getting African countries to kowtow to them while posturing like the west was refusing to lend money to these countries that couldn't even pay a small part of it back out of spite. Even when they did accept it China ferried in contractors from China so the locals didn't even get to prosper from the actual investment China was making into the countries.They care about very specific people and countries because it directly benefits them in serious ways and take specific advantage of certain lapses in the economy. They do not have a moral imperative towards any of their actions which is why they deal with Russia and North Korea despite the former actively attacking a sovereign nation because of their Dear Leader and the latter is leading a dictatorship that actively starves its people and executes those who even mildly oppose the government. What the hell are you even talking about?
>>729169916This self righteous outlook is exactly why you are in decline and why everyone will dance on top of your corpse.
>>729169235The people from small countries don't know enough about guns to understand why this image is so funny, unfortunately.
>>729169671>>729169754AND FOR THE FUCKING RECORD I DON'T LIVE IN A FUCKING CITY YOU DUMB FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT, I LIVE IN RURAL APPALACHIA WE'RE FUCKING DYING OUT HERE IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY AND IN THE RUST BELT, THE ORANGE FUCKING ASSHOLE IS RUINING MY FUCKING LIFE, I AM ONE VERY EXPENSIVE DAY AWAY FROM HAVING FUCKING NOTHING AND BEING HOMELESS AND THEIR ISN'T A FUCKING THING I CAN DO ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE ONLY FUCKING THING TRUMP CARES ABOUT IS PEOPLE LIKE ELON MUSK AND JEFF BEZOS.
>>729170056>everyone will dance on top of your corpse.Only if China gives you permission. You have a slave mindset already.
>>729170109IM LEGITIMATELY SO FUCKING MAD MAN, i haven't been this fucking angry in a long fucking time bro.
>>729169598move to SEA
>>729170237why
>>729170135I will make sure to work double shifts to afford living in my car while going paycheck to paycheck when the chinks take overwait a second that's already you
>>729148545Moore Threads is a pretty cool name.
>>729170287Foreigners really believe this lol
>>729167804>people dont care if the serfdom run by jewish pedophiles falls from the top spotwake the fuck up dude, america barely exists at this point
>>729170007>Things are now as they always will be in the futureand Ford fucking hired thugs to murder Unionizers, guess what? Countries evolve over time and the speed at which conditions within China have materially improved is nothing to ignore. You're bringing up all these points as if it's impossible for them to ever change when in reality it already has while America continues to sink into a hole of worsening conditions because of short-sighted profit chasing, selling out our future for immediate gains of a small group of people who will immediately flee to the next superpower when it falls.
>>729170282because so many people voted for trump because of how poor we were and we needed help, and the democrats are even worse, and the minute we all showed up you stomped on our fucking throats, so many good people out here dying for fucking nothing because our countries leaders don't have a fucking heart, so many good fucking people that didn't fucking deserve this.
>>729170361yeah I know, my point is that things would be even worse under China. I'd rather fix America but I but don't think it's gonna happen, so...
>>729148545Nice, now let me see the driver quality
>>729170007How many sovereign countries did mutts fucked up in last three decades again? We can even disregard glowops, just good old military intervention.
>>729169225>or crack your own version of the softwareWhich most people in the west are opposed to because it's a dick move. IP theft and infringement is heavily frowned upon because it's a bad thing. Why are you painting this as a good thing? You're also completely ignoring the major point of this which is that China's products have no warranties or support whatsoever from companies unless they are on the very high end. You're expected to deal with what you get.>The market adapts or dies out trying to out-compete, their choice.The market cannot adapt to the degree that would be required to do anything in most sectors China would flood the market in. In your fantasy world how is anyone supposed to adapt outside of heavily lowering their moral standards, living standards, and worker's rights?>That's simply not trueIt absolutely is true. The entire reason why everyone buys the USD is because it's stable and the US is stable compared to everywhere else in the world since countries know it will honor its debts and bonds.Europe is constantly having Greece and Brexit situations, South America has nothing stable to back with most countries being narco states, Africa is Africa, Russia isn't remotely stable, China having any financial crisis causes enormous ripples in the world as shown with the housing crisis just recently and no one can trust its GDP whatsoever since it doesn't hold up to scrutiny, Australia has to import everything to even function, etc.
>>729170568China is even more muttified than America, you know. The whole country has been conquered and raped and mostly replaced several times. Also do you think that "peaceful military interventions" will just stop happening if the US disappears. It's not wrong to be anti-America, but being pro-Chinese is just missing the forest for the trees.
if chinks give me cheap good gpus and cpus im going full ccp communist i dont care
>>729170568Just a couple, and those are just the ones they admitted.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4Pr9g_7Nhc
>>729170428Why would it be worse than what we've seen with America as the global superpower? >CIA destabilizes entire countries and sets up puppet regimes>2 fucking nukes dropped onto civilian centers, the only country to ever use such a weapon>Never ending proxy wars to pave out the middle east for a modern Apartheid state to expand into >endless crybullying about other countries setting up defensive postures too close to our ships, monitoring THEIR bordersChina has been at the butt end of every modern conflict, more or less staying out of the major wars or even aligning themselves with us and getting carved up in the process. Jesus fuck dude you genuinely believe America is some holy land or something
>>729170686>but being pro-Chinese is just missing the forest for the trees.every leftist ever, now they are even considering fundamentalist islamic movements
>>729170812>Jesus fuck dude you genuinely believe America is some holy land or somethingWhat gave you that idea? You are too emotional to think clearly. Over half of Americans are dissatisfied with the government and all the bullshit wars, but you retards think we all worship it because that's what you're told by your state media.>inb4 Americans watch state media tooagain, less than half. also>apartheid is bad>you're a muttpick one, dumbass.
>>729169115>china cares about everyonelol>>729169639>China sees everybody else as an "equal" business partnerlmao
>>729170975>Over half of Americans are dissatisfied with the government and all the bullshit warsYou can claim that since the birth of your country, and during the whole time until now, it never stopped the for profit wars and glowops, no matter who were in power.
>>729148545>Have directly said they have zero interest in capturing the US market>Even if they do it will be tariffed by 200%+
>>729171207Every country that has ever had the capability to do those things, has. America just has more capability and so it does them more. Do you think America invented spies, funding rebels/convenient "opposition", economic strongarming, etc?
>>729167804I've noticed this on instagram, thirdies rally towards china it was russia before the ukraine invasion.
>>729171298>If i don't do it, someone else willAnd the burger finally reveals his (((face)))
>>729169460>The market didn't crash at all and continued just fine.It is literally still crashing and they're having to bail it out.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-24/china-property-crisis-why-market-is-a-mess-what-stimulus-measures-are-planned>China had less radical shifts in the last 15 years than the US had.Not economically. The most radical thing was stimulus checks during Covid and the housing bubble in 2008 I think it was which China itself also had issues with anyway. A huge issue is also that no one can trust China's GDP.>Countries that already were in dire straitsChina outright made their countries in even larger debt to them specifically with their BRI. Their countries actively got worse by accepting the deal and China had to write off a lot of the debt just so that it didn't collapse them entirely.>You are just spouting the most superficial takes ever in an argument about why someone should care about the US losing influence over ChinaYou're outright ignoring the major issues present by China becoming more dominant because you dislike the US' current hegemony and are willing to plug your ears to all the faults that are extremely surface level because of it.Walk me through this, in your ideal world how does China running the world help you and the world as a whole? Because as far as we've seen it has objectively worse working conditions than any major western power, it is willing to ignore major moral issues with other countries if it will net them soft power or a vassal, its fiscal policies are all over the place and they're spending money to build stuff just to present the GDP as higher than it realistically is so if the Yuan ever became the leading currency you'd have no idea the true worth of your money, and it doesn't punish people who actively infringe on people's patents or inventions and just steals the design to copy infinitely making it harder for people to care about inventing anything.
>>729148545>claimedMore chinese lies.
>>729148545CHINESE CENTURY MOTHERFUCKERS
>>729170975Oh you're actually a woke independent thinker my bad. You see through the charade and listen to podcasters with CIA ties instead for your opinions but that's different because they're gruff and manly. Of course "half of americans are dissatisfied" when the parties split the country in two right down the middle. >apartheid is good, actuallyso you like Israel? what the fuck man. You asserted China dominance would be worse than the current state and do nothing to back up that claim, I'm showing evidence of what current reality under American regime looks like and all you could do is attack me on a personal statement, but I'm "thinking emotionally"
>>729166157just a chowincidence
>>729148545>be china>steal everyones ideas through espionage >starts making shoddy products cause cost greed>make big announcement "WE DA BEST">release product >massive recalls due to lack of quality control
>>729170975>Over half of Americans are dissatisfied with the governmentYour second amendment bro? You have a constitutional clause to force your government to do better like founding fathers did, probably the only country on earth that has that penned into your holy constitution and you still just let it slide being complacently dissatisfied.
>>729171391>>729171489>>729171710bad faith arguments. I know what you are. I'm Santa btw soon you parasites will be someone else's problem
>>729171741I accept your concession
>>729167119>>729166505>>729148785>>729150089>>729152807>>729166505glad to see a large userbase of this board has first grader level reading comprehension
>>729171741>I know what you are.What a coincidence, so do we.
>>729148545banned for import outside of china, orno driver supportchoose your hero
>>729169620>lifestyle, safety, healthno one believes you chankoro
>>729171741>bad faith arguments>can't refute central point>invents arguments not made in the post>distracts from the argument with shitflinging>ominously implies Apartheid isn't bad (the original post was specifically referencing Israel) and refuses to elaborateincredible work.
>>729148545Ok but when are they joining in on the RAM market?Certainly china wouldnt want to suck up to Korea and US for that monopolized bullshit?
>>729170379>Countries evolve over time and the speed at which conditions within China have materially improved is nothing to ignore.China has shown no willingness to adopt many of the aspects of western culture that actually benefit its people in meaningful ways. Quality control, worker's rights, actually paying people a decent wage, respect for innovation and ideas, allowing dissent and criticism of government in public (It takes something as drastic as the housing collapse for them to even leave the crowds be), personal autonomy, etc. If anyone wants to build companies in their country they have to sign over their personal IP and company secrets to Chinese owners but in any other country this isn't required of you. It purposely keeps the Yuan devalued so that it profits more when valuing it would benefit its people.Absolutely China has picked itself up in an immense way and they should be applauded for how far they've come, but you shouldn't suddenly pretend there aren't enormous issues still right in front of you that should be corrected that are being outright ignored let alone praise them for it.>short-sighted profit chasing, selling out our future for immediate gains of a small group of people who will immediately flee to the next superpower when it falls.As opposed to China's enormous wealth inequality in which a person born there is more likely to be working a factory job for the rest of their life? Why does everyone keep acting like the grass is greener when it's objectively not?>>729170568Tons. Do you think I'm going to defend the CIA or US government being monsters? No, they're awful and make terrible decisions constantly that ruin countries because of schizo delusions at times. But at least you know about them and can actually actively stop them from happening or protest them on top of the fact that the US regularly does humanitarian missions even when it doesn't net them soft power in any way. China only helps if it benefits China, period.
>>729172136this is so alien to an amerimutt that he doesnt know something like this could exist on this planet
>>729172381>Eastern culture isn't adopting Western cultureSo what? Fucking half the shit you listed doesn't even apply to American workers. We run rackets across the world. You have rights on paper that the government will sell out for pennies if their lobbying groups determine you don't actually need those rights. You can tout freedom of speech all you want (I guess except criticizing Israel) but we're actively building a surveillance state now, why would they care about you screaming loudly when you can change nothing in practice?>muh IPmeans jack shit when AI companies are harvesting all of that and repackaging it without consequences. LOOK INSIDE. I don't WANT China to be a world superpower I want the US to be Pro-American for fucking once and stop being a corporatist shithole. You watch too much propoganda you can't even imagine a world where you've been lied to about China.
>>729171741lmao based, truly the Americans just cannot stop winning, everyone is just fucking jealous of your low taxes and overwhelming military and economic pouwer
>>729172881Agreed, the bitter snake of envy speaks the loudest. As for me, I dream of becoming American in the future.
this scares the american
>>729173316we actually have stuff like that though. used to be everywhere, but it doesn't work in multicultural areas. You can still find honesty shops and "take one, leave one" roadside libraries in some places though
>>729172817>So what?The fact that those are standards in many countries because of the US model being successful and people pushing for them? If the Chinese model becomes popular or pushed then people start trying to imitate China and be successful.>Fucking half the shit you listed doesn't even apply to American workers.Are you joking? If your company is not complying with OSHA you can sue for a huge paycheck for them being lax about people's safety. The only thing stopping you is your future job prospects which may or may not be affected.If your company is forcing unpaid overtime you can sue them.If you say Israel is bad, the CIA sucks, Biden/Trump suck, or whatever else you want to say you're not going to get jailed or even fined for it.If you want to grab a group and stand in front of the White House blocking entire streets to tell them they suck you can.>but we're actively building a surveillance state nowEvery single country on this entire planet is. That is what the Internet and technology has done. The Internet of Things is just one example that everyone accepts.>why would they care about you screaming loudly when you can change nothing in practice?Okay, simple example: When Luigi Luigi shot that one CEO suddenly every single insurance company started playing ball for months simply because companies were paranoid due to how people were publicly advocating and praising him for it.Trump in 2016 got elected because he was so anti-establishment and that entire sentiment has still carried over to this day, and then 2024 was the same thing with people pushing for their votes. We regularly see red states turn blue and vice-versa just due to opinions.>means jack shit when AI companies are harvesting all of thatOpenAI got reamed for doing it and many companies brought lawsuits for Sora. The fact of the matter is that when you make something in the west you know you have rights. You make something in China enjoy being copied day one of release.
>>729169620I would like to marry a hot asian wife. I heard China has a leftover women problem but I also heard they're all gold diggers just like american hoes.
>'oh no 'crypto miners are buying all our cards and we can't make any more to meet demand oh no I guess we'll charge you double XD'>'oh no COVID means a chip shortage again oh no I guess we'll double the prices on top of of the double tee hee XD'>'ooooh no tech bros have bought all the riggedty riggedty rammies oohnooos I guess we'll X10 the price you fucking paypigs hahaha'At this point anything that smashes this absolute fucking Jew shyster fucking kikery gets my 100% support. It's been what 6 years of this fucking nonsense at this point? Paying twice the price for components barely more powerful than 6 years ago. Fucking PC gaming need a new mortgage to be able to afford a new rig. Fuck that shit. Flood the market with cheap Chinese competitors.
America is the reason you can't have ice cream for breakfast.
>>729173918but I did eat breakfast this morning.
America invented State Parks and National Monuments. I guess that's not really an important thing for Euros though, since they already destroyed all their wilderness centuries ago and don't know what it means anymore, what it's like to be 100 miles from the nearest person or road, or places with more deer/anteloupe/bear/wolves/mountain lions/moose, etc around you than people
>>729151021parse deez nuts in your mouth EFL cuckold
>>729148841I like this poo guy he might take over the GPOO market
>>729174842This kind of thing is why Hitler though America was so cool. Also the stuff about pioneering eugenics and being a showcase of the dominant and creattive Aryan spirit
>>729149441>he doesn't drive a Xiaomi YU7 and use a Xiaomi 17 Pro Max smartphonengmi
China is ALWAYS lastI want to hurt the feelings of the Chinese chinks people and more
>>729176776copethe CCP won and they have a EUV machine while the westoid still figure out how to count lmao
>>729173316I like how comfy that dog is lol.Also you spend too much time online. The west isn't THAT bad yet.
>>729177005Chinese dogs are still slave to the west and their whimsWithout the west the peasants would have nothing to make in factories and try to send to Mexico with fentanyl loaded boats. You lost, Chang bateater
>>729177202copehomeless and drug issue can be fixed within a week but your gov doesn't carethe amount billions that go into other bullshit only shows how useless, outdated and behind the westoids are and when it comes to to winning China is always #1
>>729148841based poo dev keeps us gamers on track unlike the Jew Altman buying up eveyrthing in total rage
>>729173316wtf that's my doggo
>>729148545call me when I can order those
