How did one gay, ectomorphic, autistic, Australian Jew draw and animate the entirety of Pharloom within a decade? Do anons realise how superhuman this output is?
It's what happens whenA) You've a project you're passionate to work onB) You're not routinely fucked over by management like most studios are
>>729151409he worked on it every day, for like 12 hours a day
>>729151409Passion and ConsistencyTwo things lacking in most collaborative projects
>>72915140920,000 golden hours
>>729151409He actually worked instead of pretending to work like 90% of desk workers these days
>>729151409If it wasn't for Astroturfed 33, Silksong would have swept the prizes this year. I love that they absolutely don't care about the opinion of the (((media))) and just do things the way they want, yet, they are not totally detached from the players ( hence the numerous balance patches).They did that while Pellen had 2 kids ( third was born this year btw) and launched at a low price breaking all shops in the world.Team Cherry is the most based indie dev, by far.
>>729151409desu im much more impressed with how he drew all of hollow knight within like 3-4 years
>>729152109Trvke
>>729152109based cherry
>>729152109The only thing people ever praise when talking about Silksong is the art direction because the gameplay is pretty fucking mid. Specter Knight is a better and more fun version of Hornet than Hornet, and that game released 9 years ago now.
>>729151992literally me rnback to coding I go...
>>729153062Hey I love the gameplay. Actually Silksong is my GOTY 25.
>>729153596The only thing stopping Silksong from having the GOTY 2025 gameplay is the dev's insistence on you not being able to do things and spoiling it. I brought up Shovel Knight because I just replayed it for the first time in years and was blown away by how much better of a "you play as the boss" experience than Silksong it was, specifically because Yacht Club weren't so obsessed with gimping you to make it harder than Team Cherry is. I could probably write 3 consecutive 2000 character posts describing everything that put me off, but in general it's this: every time you think you get something cool or see/encounter something cool, TC get worried it might be too easy and add a bunch of asterisks to the thing until it falls flat. They do this so consistently absolutely everywhere that it spoils the overall experience. Try and ragebait people too hard for teh lulz and you might just succeed, and now there's a whole bunch of drama you don't want. That's not a "sweep" of any shill awards out there. It didn't win a single award at the Indie Games awards even after E33 got banned. There's good reason why.
>>729154008shovel knight has always been goated
>>729154090I personally just don't like hardcore platformers, they're not my thing, but I can see that if I were a platformer enjoyer I'd consider it among the best.
>>729152109>This game would have won if the better game didn't exist.True
>>729153062Hornet controls way smoother than Specter Knight tho. Lots of loud shitters complaining about the difficulty of the game has nothing to do with the actual gameplay or controls. In fact I'd argue this exact point is the biggest improvement over Hollow Knight, which felt way more stiff and rigid in comparison.
>>729156028Lol no. Specter Knight's pogo is literally exactly Hornet's pogo as used against you by her boss AI, the only difference being that to TC it's not clunky enough to make streamers soijak face in anger when walking through Hunter's March so it had to go. Specter Knight gives you his most powerful attack, the go-through-walls charge, potentially at the very beginning of the game if you visit the stages in the correct order, without any reservation. Because the point is to have fun playing as Specter Knight and not to be a kaizo challenge mod of an unreleased Specter Knight DLC that they scrapped during internal testing because it wasn't hard enough. If we're talking about raw movement, Specter Knight lets you skateboard across the levels and combo in and out of it, which is very similar to the sprinting tech you can do with Hornet. The only thing Silksong has over Specter Knight is that Silksong devotes way more time to letting you actually exploit her moveset in combat against enemies that can actually fight back, whereas Specter Knight's potential is mostly squandered having to precision platform around instakill spikes. But in terms of raw abilities and faithfulness of replicating the NPC boss moveset, Specter Knight blows Hornet out of the water.
>>729151409you fucking retard.this game has the worst animation ever. sub 10 fps, absolute BARE MINIMUM number of key frames. Insanely fucking lazy.and the characters are fucking stickfigures.
>>729152109No way Geoff and the faggot journos voting would have given it to Silksong after how much they complained that Cherry couldn't just release the most anticipated release of years for just $20
It is very impressive, considering he is Australian.
>>729156935Retard
>>729151409>>729151532>>729151547>>729151650>>729151764back to your discord tranny
e33troon is seething again
>>729153062>The only thing people ever praise when talking about Silksong is the art directionlol really? It looks like a thousand different free flash games from 2007.
>>729156324So that's why you retards shout about Hornet not being strong enough. You're viewing it as a "play as a boss" DLC.Specter of Torment is the easiest SK expansion by a mile. Being easier than the base game in spite of having new mechanics is shameful.
>>729158939It does? I played a lot of flash games back in the day and the only similarity I see is that Silksong LOOKS like it was hand animated on a computer.
>>729156028Hornet has inertia when she's running which makes her behave way worse than the Knight. Her best moveset is literally a castrated Knight moveset with less range. Knight has a far more impressive array of charms even when it comes to movement, like sharp shadow giving him a long ass iframe dodge that harms anything he dodges through. They are in completely different realms and Knight feels like a protagonist of the sequel, not the other way around.
>>729159219Silksong literally is a "play as the boss" dlc, just with extra scope creep. I couldn't care less if it's harder. It failed it's most basic premise, and in doing so made itself pretty cringe. Silksong is living proof that you can optimize the fun out of a single player game just as efficiently as you can when overbalancing pvp.
>>729159279It doesn't, he's just a schizo.
>>729159435The way Knight moves is so dramatically worse I can't even begin to agree with you. Wanderer crest is a fucking meme and people massively overrate charms. Going back to the Knight after Hornet feels like getting dumped back into NES Metroid after playing Dread.
>>729159437>the basic premise of playing as a boss who is originally above your level by skill alone is being ungabunga strongSure buddy. I feel better about the way Silksong is designed because it makes sense for Hornet to be more skill based than the Knight.
Do people really not recognize the telltale AI signs in Silksong?
>>729159781The basic premise of playing as the boss is to have the boss's attacks, yes, no amount of weird cope can circumvent this. I'm not impressed by their choice to cuck the fuck out of all the abilities you should be able to have because they're obsessed with faggots like you getting mad about their gamer cred. It makes the game feel lame to play and sells it on a misleading premise. Turns out that this is a common sentiment, because no matter how hard Expedition 33 lives rent free in your head, TC lost their award to Blue Prince.
>>729159968nice try AI nigger
>>729159678You're dead fucking wrong. Charms in HK are both more powerful and mechanically interesting. Sharp shadow literally gives you a better sharpdart that uses no silk and that's one charm. There's a reason wanderer is considered the best crest too.
>>729152109It's supremely unambitions r*ddit slop, you ridiculous faggot zoomer
>>729160126>Slop slop slop slop slop slop slop slopWhy are you using brainrotted zoomer lingo you burnt out old loser? Use your words, faggot.
>>729152109>silksloppers still seething love it lmao
>>729160060>if i can't effortlessly do what the boss was doing in their fight then the feeling of playing as the boss isn't being deliveredSorry you can't teleport around the room or jump an entire screen's height in one button press anon, not all of us are turboshitters though so I'm not sure why it's supposed to be bad.You achieve the feeling of playing as Hornet by getting good enough with her abilities to use them fluidly. Not by those abilities being automatically fluid to use.
>>729160117Wanderer is considered the best crest because shitter normalfag retards who need to attack the enemy every possible opportunity like it. Charms in HK are mostly fucking boring because half of the system is taken up by mechanics that shouldn't be competing for customization space within your build and a quarter of it is useless. You like them more because you can get a few token game changing charms comparatively earlier.
>>729151409I want to fug the bug
>>729160379Wanderer is considered better because it's faster and has the best moveset period, yes, that's a funny thing to whine about. Faster attack, more silk generation, more healing, more damage, best pogo.Not only the Charms in HK were better individually, they also featured neat charm combos, and nothing in silksong provides the same experience.
>>729160379>>729160526>Wanderer is considered the best crestnot with that shitty range, even with longclaw
>>729160254>I can't do the thing the boss does so I'm not playing as the bossYes correct, dipshit. Wild how Specter Knight gives you a true lockon pogo yet makes all of its platforming still feel fun and engaging despite on paper being way easier. Turns out all you have to do is rebalance it around not deliberately placing everything at contrived 45 degree angles because of how fake and artificial it makes everything about the gameplay. The revamped Polar Knight, Propeller Knight, and Black Knight fights are the hardest bosses in the game because they challenge your capabilities even with the lockon. They even made Cogwork Knight not braindead. There is no excuse for Hornet besides TC being too scared of giving you working abilities to bother considering designing the game around them instead.
>>729160563Longclaw solves all its range issues, it increases it by like 45%. Its benefits are too strong compared to Hornet's new limp dicked movesets.
>>729160563DPS and silk > range. Unironically be better at the game if you can't work around the short nail length.
>>729160563Hunter has marginally shorter range than Wanderer, people think Wanderer = small because it has a more narrow arc. Hunter with the second upgrade has more DPS than Wanderer, but you lose the buff if you get hit. And the Longclaw is a waste of slot compared to how stronger the other blue tools are. You don't need Longclaw, you need to learn your positioning.
>>729151409as someone with brown skin, or without a job, you will never understand what someone can do working 8 hours a day for even 1 year.
>>729160526>Wanderer is considered better because Retards like you who have a mental breakdown when an enemy doesn't let you get into its personal space and mash X until it dies in one cycle have a slightly easier time doing that with Wanderer than other crests.>Not only the Charms in HK were better individuallyLongclaw > longnail, sorry, cry about it.>they also featured neat charm combos, and nothing in silksong provides the same experience.The way tools interact with each crest felt like a pretty obvious successor to the idea on my end.
>>729161816>literally says that Wanderer is stronger but has a mental breakdown over it for some reasonYou're so funny anon
>>729160610>Wild how Specter Knight gives you a true lockon pogo yet makes all of its platforming still feel fun and engaging despite on paper being way easier.Using the pogo felt way worse than Hornet's to me specifically because the lockon made it way easier. They had to design everything in the game with an enormous clearance based around the range you could home in on it from, and it "feels" snappy to go through once but you realize how little room there actually was to fail if you focus on it. The boss fights are a step up but still generally disappointed me, especially the final fucking boss being a "jump between a couple grind rails" affair.
>>729161950>the way you play the game is by getting into melee range and pressing X until the enemy dies anon what are you talking about?Hollow Knight combat was boring until the DLC bosses specifically because of this. Silksong making this playstyle way worse and harder was on purpose. Shitter.
>Silksong gives you a shittier moveset because they are unable to innovate and balance their games in any other way and you're somehow a shitter by calling devs out on thisYep genuine mental illness here
>>729156324I see what you're saying. I do agree that Specter is in general a better translation of boss moveset to player moveset. However, I really think you're coming into this in bad faith considering you seem to have this weird notion that Team Cherry made a ragebait game where their game design decisions were made with the sole intention of aggravating players for no reason other than for shits and giggles. I totally get it if you don't like Hornet's moveset as much as Specter's, but that's because of gameplay decisions the devs made based on what they wanted the gamefeel to be, not to shit on you and get a laugh.
>>729162427>my moveset is shittier because the game is designed to punish me for trying to facetank now>WAAAAAH WHY CAN'T I TAKE 8 CONSECUTIVE HITS FIGHTING LIKE A RETARD AND THEN HEAL
>the game is designed to punish me for trying to facetank now>includes several facetank setupsWhat did this screeching autistic child mean by this?
>>729162803>enemies actually react to your presence in a place they don't like, usually right next to themFar cry from HK where 95% of enemies will continue acting the exact same no matter where you are relative to them because it'd be "unfair" if they were any more than a soul battery.
>completely shits the bed with his anti-Wanderer argument, instantly switches to other inane shit to ramble about like an autistic spedSilksong fanbase
>>729152109>Silksong would have swept the prizes this year.I enjoyed E33 quite a lot, finished itI didn't finished Silksong, it was mid.
>>729163085>wanderer is best (because it lets me play like hollow knight)>you like wanderer because it resembles the way you play in hollow knight>NUH UH ITS DA BEST BECAUSE DA DAMAGEThis assumption that everyone should always be playing some unsafe max aggro strategy is kind of weird. I like to actually pay attention to the enemies, use my moveset, dodge and react, not just walk in and start mashing.
>i like playing in non optimal way and with a shit pogo on top of it, so [autistic screeching]
>it's yet another 2D sword game where the player has only 1 attack and the enemies are huge and have contact damageAnyone who thinks this redundant slop should have won has brain damage, i don't care it's 20$, games like this used to be free on flash game sites
>>729163692>it's "non optimal" to engage with the fucking enemies rather than try to KILL KILL KILL (oh bullshit why did he attack there)The lengths you retards will go to claiming HK is better, Christ lmao.
>>729163773Man if I had played something remotely like Silksong for free on a flash site back in the aughts I think it would've been a religious experience.
>>729164021you will religiously orgasm over this hidden gem
>try to KILL KILL KILL in a game designed to KILL KILL KILLGo and see your mental health professional NOW
>>729153062>specter knight>look inside>jap shiti'll pass
>>729164142>game designed to KILL KILL KILLTake something for those hallucinations anon, the game makes it very clear that you're a retard for rushing into the big guy's range trying to get one more hit in. Was the "double damage" not enough of a hint?
>>729164185Like a true skonger that never played anything else other than his mid game. Can't make this shit up lmao.
>>729164126Isn't this more of a "side scrolling levels" platformer than an "explorable world" one?
>he actually eats contact damage because he can't into spacingOh this explains everything
>>729164409what's the difference?you can't see anymore than what is on your screen, not like you can climb a mountain and look over a vast landscape in hollow knight
>>729164556>>>no I never got hit playing Silksong EVER I was always perfect at spacing lmao wanderer a bestThe fake position is just getting faker.
>>729164661>what's the difference?The gameplay experience of going through a level once is completely different from that of exploring a world.And my memories of flash platforming being that it often manages to feel some combination of squishy, sticky, and floaty, while Silksong is none of that.>not like you can climb a mountain and look over a vast landscape in hollow knightAnd that's... supposed to be part of the point of a persistent explorable world? Since when? Was Metroid "missing the point"?
>>729164893my point is silksong looks no different from a flash game at face value
>>729165080It looks and feels wildly better than anything I ever played in flash.
>>729165080It absolutely fucking doesn't you colossal tard. Maybe the characters and enemy designs do, but there is absolutely no flash game in the world with backgrounds and environments like Silksong has
>>729165224play more flash games, anything below Ori and Rayman legends looks flash tier
>>729165596That also looks way, way worse than Silksong. Are you visually impaired?>ori and rayman legendsYeah that's a good comparison for Silksong, I'd say it's more visually similar to them than any flash games. Being able to see the frames of a character's animation isn't "like flash", it's just normal.
That was really fun to read these autistic arguments. Back to gaming
i thoroughly enjoyed silksongmy favorite setups>typical hunter, generically good charms like longclaw/sawtooth circlet/spool extender/faster charge attacks etc, railgun >witch with plasmium overdose (you can regen health while still farming HP with your murderous heal)>generic shaman build>architect with flintsteel and faster charge attack pin, spam it like a STR build
>>729159435Wanderer crest is overrated and is just for mindless DPS.Silksong is a better time when not trapped with a handheld 3D oriented controller.>>729159678Dread is more simplified to cope with the mistake of a dual analog 2D game, so that doesn't really feel like an apt comparison.
>>729152109>Team Cherry>indieBait used to be believable
>>729167276>Wanderer crest is overrated and is just for mindless DPS.Wanderer has the best pogo, the second best charge attack, fastest attack speed which means more silk generation, it's literally THE best crest bar none in every aspect that counts
>>729152109Does the average platformer enjoyer or Hollow Knight fan care about some asset store jarpig? Why are they constantly being compared? I will never in a million years be playing E33; why do people care so much about it or a fake awards show?
>>729167408The idea that raw hypothetical DPS outweighs every other aspect of a crest is wrong. Also, best pogo is reaper.
>>729167540Reaper's pogo has an atrocious, slow ass input delay, no fucking way.Literally the only thing other crests have over Wanderer is Architect's plasmium overdose. That's it.
>>729167746The "input delay" also slows you so you can hit what you were aiming for.Higher hypothetical DPS does not outweigh better range, more knockback, and other such utilities. Maybe it would in Hollow Knight, but not Silksong.
>>729167885>The "input delay" also slows you so you can hit what you were aiming for.Only needed for people with terrible coordination and can get you hit by one of the numerous spastic enemies>Higher hypothetical DPSIt's not a fucking hypothetical DPS, it's literally faster attack speed. Faster attack speed is not just objectively higher damage but also higher speed of silk generation which means more opportunities to heal. It absolutely outweights everything which is why quick slash is treated as SSS tier charm in HK too.The "utilities" of other crests are mostly literal dog shit beyond a single cheesy architect setup.
>>729167408>best pogoHas basically no horizontal distance though. Yes, adding horizontal distance annoyed me as well when starting off, but sometimes you want it once you get used to the movement, especially when just straight pogoing right on top of an enemy over and over usually ends in getting hit by some kind of jump attack.>>729167540That's why I specified mindless DPS. Getting more silk while just swinging lets recuperate from mistakes that result from just clinging to your opponent. It just cultivates bad habits.
>>729168337>y-you don't NEED it so why is it even remotely good or useful?It's easier. Which makes it overall less stressful to play and thus lets me perform better.>NUH UH IT'S TOTALLY BRAINDEAD EASY TO STAND NEXT TO AN ENEMY AND WAIL ON THEM WITH WANDERERIn Hollow Knight enemies are basically nonsentient blobs that you can stand next to and attack easily.Silksong's "spastic" enemies make that faster attack speed only translate to a limited amount more damage if you're not willing to gamble much more on being hit.
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>>729168637>Silksong's "spastic" enemies make that faster attack speed only translate to a limited amount more damageHoly mother of cope. Faster attack speed objectively means more attacks to fit in. Stay filtered.
>>729169231>BUT IF I KILL IT FASTER MAYBE I WON'T HAVE TO PLAY SAFEand I don't want to bet on that "maybe" every time. I just want to have near zero risk of taking a hit in the first place. If I kill literally every enemy one cycle slower for it, I can still beat the speedrun time achievements.
>>729163417Wanderer is the best because it is objectively the most generous moveset that gives you the most resources and has the strongest attribute of all of them (Quick Slash). There are very few circumstances where any crest other than Wanderer makes the game easier instead of harder. The fact that these traits all amount to "like Hollow Knight" is a simple reflection of how much shittier at fighting Hornet is than her little brother. Not even counting the iframes that the Knight also gets. You can brag about how cool you are by playing around fighting like a cripple, but it doesn't change facts.
The TLDR of this thread is that Hornet is a "you play as the boss" mod in the worst possible way: your moveset is designed to look flashy but achieve nothing so the MC can feel cool when he beats you, and the strongest attacks you get are just imitating the MC from the last game.
