any connoisseurs can tell me if i should emulate the ps2 version or get the remake?
>>729168153I haven't played the remake but the music sucks compared to the original
>>729168153the remake is outright superior, it makes it more in line with Persona 5, the best one
Never play Demakes of games that you've never played the original versions of
>>729168539>the remake is outright superior>Worse music>Worse art style>E-Celeb voice acting >Tranny shit>Censored>BetterYeah nah fuck off Zoomie
>>729168628this
>>729168153reload is better
>>729168742>>E-Celeb voice actingI really hate how so many games do this now. Anyone from youtube can be a voice actor now and they always stick out to the rest of the cast.
>>729168153PS2, absolutely. Anyone saying demake or PSP version is a fucking retard. PSP is only for second+ playthroughs with the feMC.
>>729168153I just finished playing through this and the DLC. It's good, with the only complaints from some friends watching who'd played the original (re-releases, specifically FES) being that the re-mixes of some of the original songs aren't as good (though the new music they added is great). The voice acting (holy shit) and visuals are much better in Reload than any of the older ones as well. If I'm going to nitpick then I guess I'd also say that some of the character behaviour / dialog is a little too toned down / muted from the original in the DLC (a directorial decision; friends had me watch some sections from the original afterwards), but the message still gets through. Overall it's no contest if you don't have an existing nostalgia for the title; Reload is the best version of the game.
>>729169209Thanks, I picked it up on steam.
>>729168153FES always
>>729168153Demake has every line fed through a DEI expert and stripped of charm.
>>729168153reload with jp audio.
>>729168153Remake is better >party members rebalanced to make the weaker ones like aigis and koromaru worth using>vastly improved visuals>new linked episodes and dorm hangouts>harder difficulty>harder elizabeth boss fight>bonus bosses in monad doors>very doable to do a blind 100% playthrough if you pay careful attention to how to optimize>hermit doesn’t take a full day>new theurgy mechanic is not as broken as fusion spell but still op and gives your party members high damage too
>>729169542>the visuals are much better >completely fucked up lighting
>>729168742>E-Celeb voice actingLiterally whoI have never in my life heard of any of these fuckers voicing the reload castAlso just as a sidenote, genuinely go fuck yourself if you think the reload cast is worse than the original voices, those assholes in the og games couldn't do deliveries for shitCompare the scene of Akihiko crying at Shinjiro's casket and come back and tell me the original is in any way better Eat shit
>>729168539is persona 3 80% visual novel and 20% piss easy jrpg as well?
>>729169853Cope Zoomie Nobody likes your Demakeslop full of nigger E-Celebs
>>729169932yes
>>729169802>Muh lighting Eat a thousand cocks and get bent, faggotThis same shitty argument is used for Golden versus original P4 and it's always such a non-issue >Muh atmosphere YOU make the atmosphere, dickhead, have some semblance of imagination to fill in the gaps
>>729169957>Literally no argument Lol, lmao even
>>729169802you not liking the dorm lighting =/= completely fucked up lighting
>>729169957Remakes are for uncs who've lost their imaginative flare not zoomers retard>>729170120That also changes pending certain story events
It's always so hilarious how Zoomers go into a fucking rage when you say you prefer the original version of a game.Blatantly obvious that they never played the originals and are just mad that they "played the wrong version" and popped their cherry on a beloved classic with some lazy UE5 slop With movies, books or music if someone asks what the best version to watch is you might be multiple answers like a original release of a movie, maybe a directors cut or with music there's versions that might mix the track slightly different and people discuss those and why they prefer them to later releases.But with Demake fags you will be astonished at how they recoil when you suggest playing the devs orignal vision, how injured they are that you don't want to play something voiced by YongYea, how they suddenly seethe when you say they've clearly not played the original
/v/ is going to tell the remake is inferior because they are contrarians and never wanted normies to get their hands on their favorite games. Remake is better, play that.
>>729170289>dub
>>729169853>playing the dubThese are the kind of retards telling you the demake is better, btw.
>>729170289>muh original vision>dub
>>729170031>it's totally about the better graphics! >until it's not because it doesn't fit my shit zoomer opinion narrative >then it's suddenly all about the imaginationSuper cool story, brah.
>>729168153ps2 better cutscenes and music re got better gameplay and art
>>729168153PS2 FES is best Demake has some good parts but it drains out the soul and it's low effort UE.
>>729168539>the remake is outright superiorFuck off. Tactics only works when it's forced. Hashino was right---the focus on persona 3 is "Other people".
>>729168153Just play what you want, you're never gonna appease this game's autist fans. That being said you should definitely play original.
>>729170498>>729171209>>729171223
>>729171876he won
>>729168153Emulate the ps2 version because it comes with "The answer" for free. I will say I liked the reload OST better than the original though.https://youtu.be/v6PDPMQVGDM?si=YUROMG9_9K2IpoXl
>>729172228reload main game + original the answer is the way SH2 team completely butchered reanswer
>>729168153>calling Persona fans connoisseursWhat did he mean by this?
>>729168153We hate the demake. We believe it makes you give oral sex to an African-American, as the popular meme goes. We also believe that Indians like it, per >>729168628. As such, we believe you should play the original but ONLY on a CRT on authentic hardware. We believe this provides “sovl” because it’s just like when you were a little kid in 2008. That’s right, you were born after 9/11.
>>729172054Completely different person who is years younger in a picture taken like a decade later.
>>729172853nerd emoji
>the original American PS2 release had Japanese VAHow did they fit two language tracks on such an old game?
>>729168153FES is the better version of the game.
Watch posts like >729172808Vanish the instant the game is cracked. Poor teenagers are the biggest shitposters on /v/.
>>729172991Nope, Reload improves almost everything. It's the most faithful remake ever.
>>729172640Persona 3 FES is still the best way to experience Persona 3, and it's STRICTLY because of Hashino's direction and choice for the DESIGN PHILOSOPHY of Persona 3.Hashino says that the design Philosophy for Persona 3 is to focus on "OTHER PEOPLE". That is, people who can make their own decisions. You can't just command your entire team, you have to let them make their own decisions. In this way, it's realistic and in all cases besides Mitsuru, makes you feel like you're self inserting yourself into the world of Persona 3.ALSO, FES demands you enter a name for your main character. This is because the main character of Persona 3 is LITERALLY YOU. This is necessary to make the ending work.The ending of Persona 3 is to realize that "Yes, you will die. And you will remember your death".If you're not self inserting, you aren't experiencing Persona 3 in the way Hashino intended.He fought the PERSONA 3 TEAM to force Tactics for a reason, embrace it.
Tripfag is at it again
>>729173147>force yourself to play tactics in remake?>muh shitty party AI? https://gamebanana.com/mods/496363
>>729168153Boomers of this site will say the original. But the wise man that I am will say the remake which introduced modern features. It's fucking 2025
>>729173147>ALSO, FES demands you enter a name for your main character.And reload doesn't?What kind of schizo retard post is this. Are you just spouting nonsense for attention?
>>729168153Do both. Get FES version and buy Reload, and form your own opinion.
>>729173336>le tactics is still in reload memeTactics only works when it's forced. Anyone who actually beat FES will agree with me on this.>H: Did you really think the other characters were just one-dimensional? Of course they have complicated minds and hearts, just like us. We just couldn’t make that a part of the gameplay because messing with and controlling other peoples’ personae would have just been…>…WRONG?>H: Yes! It would have been wrong, for this game. There are a lot of RPGs out there where you can control every aspect of your party members, including what kind of underwear they are wearing… but because we wanted the player to relate to the Hero more than any other character in “Persona 3”, we wanted the other characters to feel like “other people”.>S: It was important to make that distinction. It helped to emphasize the concept of Social Links, and it also allowed us to show off the improved AI. It would have been extra cool if the party members had been completely free of player control, but we knew that would be pushing it a bit too far, so we gave the player control over their equipment at least.>H: It’s true that we got some feedback stating that the party system was “too difficult” to control effectively, but I’ll honestly say that I don’t regret doing what we did with it. I’m glad we stuck to our guns on that one.
>>729173347The remake also retains the original's atmosphere just fine. The only place different is the dorm which is better lit on purpose because it's SUPPOSED to be a place of good memories for the cast.It's a shame the people who claim they love the original don't understand it.
>>729173359forgive me, i was relying on AI and it said reload has a canon name for the mc.i just checked youtube and ai was wrong.the issue with Tactics still remains though.
>>729173147hashino was the director, he didn't have to fight anyone
>dating simulator for teenagers>old men fighting on whether the original dating sim or the one with better graphics and voice acting is betterYes, I play with English VA, because when I date a woman, I expect her to speak English. I’m not interested in “yamete onii-chan~!” or whatever.
>>729173520Holy fuck kill yourself.
>>729173524see >>729173427"I’m glad we stuck to our guns on that one.". Hashino was firm through development to keep tactics forced.ATLUS is just fanserving all their games now and letting fans dictate the games...we need more directors like Hashino who will do things that fans will hate, all in the name of good game direction.
>>729168153Both are great, just dont't play the Aegis Episode.
>>729173585https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-persona-3-fes-is-still-the-single-greatest-persona-game.28593/try and refute me. this was before Reload.
>persona 3 gameplay (actual screenshot)
>>729168153PS2 version is the intended experience. Ideally you'd play that.
>>729168742>EN Dub
>>729173657aigis episode is fine why is everyone here so autistic
>>729173670I like Reload better than FES.That's all the refutation I need. If you made something I do not have to agree with you that it's the best thing ever. You can keep telling me it goes down my urethra on purpose for the message, I don't care. I disagree.Kill yourself.
>>729173657Why not? It's very good.
>>729173871>I like Reload better than FES.You're in the minority of hardcore persona 3 fans.Have fun with your slave simulator.
>>729173856it wasn't fine story was the only good thing about the original answer reanswer butchered it with dogshit changes and the filler social content they added was a complete nothingburger
>>729173984Unlike you I have the ability to imagine my party members are making their own decisions like every other JRPG in existence. I don't need to be forced to understand that, unlike you.
>>729173717
>>729174082>reanswer butchered itYukari no longer tries to grab the key from Aigis.Aaaand that's it.
>>729174121>My party members are obeying my every command>B-b-but I can imagine they are making their own decisions!you just don't understand persona 3 FES.
You guys ever see someone playing persona in english and you kind of just want to rip their head off
>>729174121
>>729174178You're not concincing anyone you're superior by demonstrating a lack of imagination.
>>729174253>You're not concincing anyone you're superiorlol you think it's just me? ask any FES fan in this topic. they'll tell you tactics was good.
>>729174174are you actually illiterate >>729172640yes, no key grab is the worst offense, but it's far from the only one both yukari's and mitsuru's colliseum dialogues got changed for the worse, aigis' revelation about the nature of the wildcard was dialed down too
Never played remake but probably that oneOriginal p3 fes is a slog jrpg of a trillion easy battles you still have to pay attention to incase mc gets one shot randomly like what are we talking about here lolI have to assume the remake speeds up everything and adds more non dungeon content to make it feel less empty in the mid game
>>729168153find an original psp copy and a psp1000remake runs like ass because of unreal enginefans give a shit about a bunch of small shit only they would notice, but ignore the fact spending an assload of money on what is basically just an oldass jrpg might wear on you after a while.Play it as an old weeb game or play metaphor instead.
FES emulated with a handful of mods is better
>>729174185It's not their fault.Most of the militant Persona dubfags are P4babies introduced to Persona by P4 anime.They are barely sentient despite being deep in their 30s.
>>729174297Oh, you're absolutely right. It's much easier to imagine the genius Mitsuru who you have to have max intelligence to even hang out with would attempt to charm the literal incarnation of oblivion than it is Mitsuru making an informed decision about the proper skill to use in the final battle.
Don't buy either.Wait for the remake to get cracked, let anons compare it with FES on PS2SX and finally donwload whichever is superior at the end of the day.
>>729174487I mean I started with 5 but even I know you play these games in japanese, the english voice actors sound way too overly excited always like they have a big stupid faggot smile on their faces because they're thrilled they finally got a job voice acting, they can't act and the enunciation is usually all over the place.
>>729173095Fuck off curry man, Reload loses so much shit from the original.
Dub is literally just better. Habig. To hear a language you don't speak for no other reason than idk because you're weird is actually gay.Grow up the Japanese voices sound just as overacted because it's anime bullshit
>>729174512Mitsuru is literally the only bad part of the tactics system. Everyone else is good.>>729173095>It's the most faithful remake everLMAO.
>>729174297I'll say it, it added an extra strategic layer in how to manage them in any given fight. Even just setting auto so their turn is a physical attack.This adds even greater emphasis to the MC, their set of personae and how you can manage turns to swap them strategically based onw hat your allies are doing. Without tactics, it's still important but much less impactful.But we both know you're arguing with a sub-90 iq 'tard, so what does it matter in the end?
>>729174512>>729174297The tactics menu works incredibly good. Like way too good, if you had to hang out with your friends constantly or they gain a percent chance to refuse to listen to you over time or something to impact gameplay that would be cool but proper tactics use works so well 99% of the time you might as well just skip it and let me just choose directly to avoid the 1% chance they do something you didn't expect
>>729168628And that's why FFVII Remake is the best remake. It doesn't aim to replace the originals.
>>729174558P5babies are unironically much better in this regard. P5 anime was a disaster so people who started with P5 either played the game or at least watched it on youtube. By the late 2010s dubfaggotry was already losing it's steam pretty hard. These days only complete tools play or watch with dub, that's why publishers and studios save money on dub by using ecelebs or AIslop. Dubfags won't notice the difference.
>>729174558The Japanese va sound the exact same, lol what. It's anime highschool bullshitThe only explanation is that you feel less embarrassed not understanding the words they use but they have the same over the top delivery like all anime bullshit.
The remake is way easier and lets you breeze through combat which is a good thing since the gameplay is the worst part of Persona 3.
>>729174871Hammy and campy dialogue was always better in text where you could add your own inflections and emphasis. VA in another language maintain this advantage over hearing those lines acted poorly.
>>729174605>>729174871>>729174954we get it, you hate jrpgs
>>729168153Reload is a pretty good remake and I think it and FES are about equal, some things are better in FES, some things are better in Reload, it's hard to recommend one version over the other because it all comes down to subjectivity, I can only say that both are great games and you can't go wrong with either
>>729174986I always watch and consume in dub.I'm not retarded and have nothing to prove to any of you. You're playing a children's video game ffs lol
>>729174703>But we both know you're arguing with a sub-90 iq 'tardPersona 6 will be marketed towards Anime Club participants. Modern Anime fans just don't like Thinking.
>>729175121Talking about the performances in this shit lol.everytime I hear sub only fags talk I pull any anime scene ever and instantly cringeIt's the same shit, just least in dub I don't have to pretend im some embarrassed autistic who can't admit it sounds bad when some Japanese nigger screams.Also Goku shouldn't have the voice of a 70 year old grandma haha
>>729173147You can still use tactics on reload
>>729175349>You can still use tactics on reloadIt only works when it's forced.
>>729175392Tactics is not some genius design? It's just instead of hitting press agi you hit the tactics menu "use agi" and it just works. It's an unneeded middle man and seething because other people can skip that middle man is lol
>>729175121They're games. They're all childish.You're in a thread on a board dedicated to that childish medium.>>729175132We wish it was only applicable there. It's a problem in most forms of entertainment now.>>729175339You seem to be under the impression the sounds made have any real relevance to the words being read. In a language you don't understand it's at least less grating because it's de-emphasised in favour of the writing itself.I'm taking another 10 iq off, it's sub-80 now.
>>729175570>Tactics is not some genius design?https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/971508-shin-megami-tensei-persona-3-portable/73305685read this and try posting that again. Hashino thought very carefully about the tactics system. It is in fact a genius design. READ THE INTERVIEW
>>729175639>Le sub is superior >Actually I agree it sounds just as overacted but I like I can pretend otherwise when I don't understand the words??Okay so you agree me. Wtf that was my whole point, why are you mad?>>729175668No, I played the game dude. Tactics work very well, too well. Kinda defeats the whole purposeIf you think it gave other characters a personality on their own, you're wrong lolThey do exactly what you tell them to do 99.9% of the time and only marin karin gets shit on because it has low acc.You might as well just let me directly pick
>>729175923There's a set of Videogame Fans that want to connect with the Director's vision for the game and it's underlying philosophy. FES fans for the most part all connect with Hashino.FES fans know what FES was going for, and Reload isn't going for that same audience. If you want to connect with the philosophy behind Reload, go have fun, but you're literally in an anime club by that point.The AI in persona 3 FES for all characters but Mitsuru was very good. The developers wished they could have freed the characters from all player control, but said it would have been too far.If you're enjoying Reload, you AREN'T connecting with Hashino.
>>729176081It's a game for 14 year olds where you try to stay awake playing though the worse mega dungeon of all time.I don't even like this game outside of some songs and the general aesthetic like the evokers/arm bands 4 is just superior as a game
>>729176167>4 is just superior as a game >Persona 4 where the NPCs all fall in love with the main character at first sightokay now i know you're kidding.
>>729176291Lol no instead a girl falling in love with you because you can stomach her food after you avoid her for a few months is good.But you revealed too much of yourself, the "dating" sim part of these games is like 20 mins combined over 60-80 hours of gameplay.If that's your concern, you're a loser and you need pussy bad nigga
>>729176472Persona 4 is a slave simulator.You don't need to work to earn your party's approval and trust, as soon as they enter your party they're eager to be your command slave as well as romantic other.Persona 4's design philosophy is shit. Sorry. But people who like Thinking choose FES.
If you play Japanese games with English dub you're retarded and you deserve every shit acting bit they feed you
>>729176680P3 is the exact same outside of the like 1 month junpei throws a fit for story reasons, than never again.You're still the cool leader everyone is super into that can easily get a harem despite your main character being a mute for no other reason than because its a power fantasy
>>729176769If you worship the Japanese you're retarded and brown.Play their products but never catch me uniorionically hearing some retard go KYAAAAHH HONDA CIVIC TOYOATO GUMBAIII
>>729176828>P3 is the exact sameuhhh, the game literally starts with Yukari pulling a gun on you that you don't even know is fake.Characters in persona 3 don't accept you as leader right away.You have to work to gain their trust, and you have to work to gain their romance. Yukari literally requires you to beat most of hte game before her path even unlocks because she ISN'T trusting of you at first.The design philosophy in place here fits perfectly with Persona 3's story direction as the player feels a sense of achievement with their party as the story moves along.You don't get that sense of achievement in Persona 4. And it's because the developers didn't think hard or deeply about Persona 4.
>>729177001They really do thoughbut you're pretty fucking stupid so not reading the rest of this >P3 isn't a power fantasy for 14 year olds actually it's a deep and complex ahahahahhahahahahahhahahahaha
>>729177125it's a "anon gets filtered by persona 3 fes" episode.OP, i hope this argument proves to you why you should choose Persona 3 FES and NOT Reload.
>>729170031>This same shitty argument is used for Golden versus original P4 and it's always such a non-issueThe visuals in Golden are objectively worse, why are you trying to fuck yourself?
Im starting to realise i should avoid all personafans. I thought it was just p5 fans but nope I need to avoid all
>>729177672>I thought it was just p5 fans but nope I need to avoid allPersona 3 reload was made for p5 fans. FES is the only sane part remaining of the fanbase
>>729175923No, because emotional tones etc. still come through. So you end up with the best of both. The emotional weight and impact of having a VA without the dogshit delivery of dubs. A lot of dubs can get the emotional intents right but the delivery is god awful which ruins the entire thing.And if your argument after that is about staring at lines of text during cutscenes just learn to fucking read properly.
>>729177917Nah you agreed with me now you're back peddling It sounds literally th exact same if you don't have autism and can tell tone inflection
>>729177672It's not any better with other fanbases. While Persona autists cry "muh fog" or "muh demake", Fire Emblem faggots cry which waifu is better or "muh Fates", "muh 3 houses", "muh Kaga", and Fallout community is split between schizophrenic elitists who fight each other in groups and Bethesda fans who consume any kind of slop they get.Persona and SMT are still having it really good.
>>729178024"Huh maybe this media made for kids and teens isn't high art and the VA are just who's or celebs but Japanese they grabbed off the street"Uh yeah
>>729177810P5 didn't invent full scale visuals.
>>729168153Remake is good. One scene was censored from what I can tell, and it's an insignificant one. Gameplay is more modernized and similar to P5, and some more challenging bosses were added. Both remake and FES are good ways to experience the game, can't speak for the others since I haven't played them. It's a good game all around, so as long as you know what kind of game you're getting yourself into, you'll enjoy it.
>>729178024No, you assumed I agreed based on me outlining your position. The second half of that post is my position and it is not agreement.You're working hard to earn that IQ score.
>>729178219okay? he's still right
>>729178268>Remake is good>The main director for Persona 3 Reload is Takuya Yamaguchi, with producer Ryota Niitsuma, and P Studio General Producer Kazuhisa Wada also heavily involved in the remake's vision, aiming to faithfully recreate the original game while modernizing it for a new audience, as they focused on the core story rather than adding the Fem MC or Episode Aigis initially. Everything about this is shit. They just shit on Hashino and his vision. They think they want to adapt Persona 3 to a "new audience", but what it really results in is dumming the franchise down for stupid people.
>>729168153they're both the worst of 3,4,5. play 4 instead. not bait btw
>>729168153People will argue about tiny little differences but the honest truth is that it's not a great game either way, the plot is nonsensical and the pacing is atrocious. It doesn't really matter which version you play.
>>729178345No you literally held the same stance Stop being brown and worshipping jap NIGGERS It's gay and cringy
>>729178374>schizoing about articles from 3 years agoHave you actually played the game?
I've played FES, P3P and Reload and Reload is the best, easilyThe answer sucks and always sucked and shouldn't bothered with
>>729178374P3 fes is a dumb game Just wear max hp accessories on mc to steam roll it The only threat is being one shot
>>729178404I started with 4, I actually ended up liking 3 FES more, and I enjoyed the tactics system, but I feel like a lot of people might feel the opposite.
>>729178497That the delivery is bad? And? That's not even the entire position.The full position of sub over dub is a de-emphasised VA delivery in favour of the writing with a reader's internal emphasis and inflection while maintaining the emotional weight as delivered by a VA.
>>729178525>Have you actually played the game?Now why would I give ATLUS money to shit on Hashino and his vision?>>729178652i already know you didn't play on Hard Mode.
>>729178718Yeah I didn't, some meme mode added on the international release nobody plays is not the way most people played lolUnlike you I don't feel the need to cope about stupid shit If you get hard off play a teen game but now you have to throw up a defense buff and wear max hp accessories to finally feel good in your life. Go ahead
>>729178712Emotional weight>Anime anything Lol anything that sells merch at a GameStop should not make you emotional nigga
>>729178818hey i'm not the anon you've been replying too but you sound like a total retard when you complain about a game being too easy when playing on an easier mode hope this helps
>>729168153You don't play Persona for gameplay. You play it for story, art direction and themes.All of these are done much better in FES.But if you really can't get through graphical fidelity being much lower or gameplay being worse, you can consider playing the remake.
>>729178940Normal mode is the intended way to play fes Anon but whatever makes you feel like a big boy You're a real tactical genius having to apply a defense buff
>>729178883Games, movies, TV, even music.It applies to them all and in every language.
Does the damage force you to die in Aigis' lap
>>729179052Okay but we know sub fags are talking about shonen shit and like fucking dumb video games when they get snooty about sub vs dub
>>729178818I beat the game on HARD Mode for my first playthrough.How did I get through the final boss on hard mode you ask?By doing the mechanics to remove his 2-turn gimmick.To avoid spoiling the game for OP I won't elaborate further.We're talking about FES here. >>729179048>Normal mode is the intended way to play fesyou lose the right to complain about difficulty though
>>729179048if you say solol
>>729179153Idc Anon no body else plays hard mode, it's a fucking jrpg not chess.Only hard mode entails is more buffing and debuffing to move numbers around
>>729178964reload is better in every way original had butchered localization (and an abysmal dub if you are into that)persona is not a VN, better visuals greatly enhance the experience not to mention new content, etc
>>729179234>no body else plays hard mode, it's a fucking jrpglots of FES fans beat hard mode. Just admit you are filtered by persona 3 fes. You are filtered by its difficulty, atmoshere, design philosophy, story direction... etc.
>>729179234uh dude every persona fan exclusively plays on hard modesthe games are way too easy otherwise, even hard is often too easy
>>729179109That doesn't change the validity of the argument.It's telling that you're no longer arguing against it now that the real scope has been applied.
>>729179396They really don't but idc if you're achievement in life is pressing defense buff and attack down a couple more times, go ahead Hard mode wasn't even in the original release and the only difficult bit added is now it's more obnoxious to fill out your compendium so get to grinding but let's hear how it was always the intended vision or whatever gay shit you fags come up with next
>>729179305The reload's art direction is inferior. It provides a competent remake of game assets without any deeper understanding of game tones influencing story, dialogues, art or music.Now I've made this argument before on /v/ so I'll just repaste it here:In the original we see Door-kun going to the moon, where he casts white shadow on the black surface of Nyx' domain.The remake team took that scene and remade it technically correct, but failed to preserve this little detail, which isn't without its own merrit.>Far in mist, a tower waits>Like a merciless tomb, devouring moonlight...>And I will face the sun>With pride of the livingThere is a specific reason, detailed in the opening lyrics why this particular artistic choice was made. It was by design - Nyx is devouring moonlight, it's his domain, the domain of death, to which Makoto brings the pride of the living, the light of the sun. The remake team turned it HD and gave the surroundings a nice HD texture, but they failed to see the intent behind the original. The art direction took a huge blow.You can play the remake and enjoy the improved gameplay, and learn the key plotpoints, but your overall experience will end up worse.You don't play Persona for gameplay.
>>729179510>Hard mode wasn't even in the original releaseAnon...persona 3 FES isn't persona 3.The FES is the most popular persona game for hardcore fans. Why do you think that is?
>>729168153It doesn't matter because you're still stuck playing persona and these games suck.
>>729177810I'm avoiding (you)>>729178112Persona 5 muh makotowank muh akechi apologists muh joker is gay for akechi muh "why did they beat ryuji in that one scene1!1!1" muh Ann x ryuji muh pedophile if you romance anybodyPersona 4 muh gay kanji muh fog muh trans naoto I haven't played p3 yet so I don't know what they bitch about but it's all so tiresome
>>729179603are mentally ill headcanons all your have? room from the final nyx fight has regular shadows
>>729179745Because its the only version you can get a hold of because you niggers can't read Japanese no matter how much you larp It's just an international release, pretty much every jrpg did itGuess what half of the "endgame" of ff7 was from its international and so was kingdom heartsIt was common practice to fuck over the jap population and make them buy it twiceStill the game wasn't developed with hard mode in mind, it's a complete meme mode that only really makes you grind more to afford the jacked up persona prices
>>729179975Not in the cutscene. I've attached a screenshot.
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>>729179305>persona is not a VN, better visuals greatly enhance the experienceit literally is a visual novel and the remake's visuals aren't better lolthe animation work is somehow worse and the palette totally destroys the original intentions.
>>729179986You avoided the difficulty of Persona 3 FES and are now acting like you understand it.You didn't beat FES.Hard Mode FES was my first introduction to Persona, and i beat the entire game without grinding.>Wait how did you beat the final boss without grinding?I can't answer without spoiling the game for OP. just know it's possible and I found it completely by accident.
>>729168153Play Persona 3 FES (or the orignal ps2 version)Either way you're in for a good time.FES I think is better overall because it has more content but I don't think the differences in game balance are different enough between the original and FES for it to even be an issue.>>729168742I agree with most of what this anon says however the tranny shit was censored out of the game in the remake and that's actually for the worse. Unless there was some "tranny shit" I missed I don't think theres any additional tranny shit in the game. Making fun of trannies is what happens in the original and it's light hearted. if transsexuals get mad and censor it out of their game it must be for some other reason.The voice acting is fucking dogshit, the artstyle is in fact ruined, they completely ruined the UI to make it play more like Persona 5 and the game is just actually worse overall.They even rewrote a lot of the dialogue for some reason.Why the fuck can't my main character use any weapon like originally. >>729170031This is a bad faith argument. Golden has shittier visuals beyond just the lighting. The fog was completely removed from the PS Vita version and the PS Vita version's lighting removed some of the Fog from the PS2 version of the game. P4 has been utterly bastardized and no amount of imagining the mood is going to bring back what was lost in translation.Original P4 is just better.
>>729180107Idc and nobody cares either it's a jrpg the only difficulty is number increases so your strat probably involved number increases I can assure you I can figure out how to press attack down lmao
>>729180031i'll take that as a yes don't build mythology around split second details or animation errors you wrote an entire essay which has nothing to back it up in game
>>729173717Lets be real, if you're willing to consume demake slop then you're a dub tranny. No exceptions.
>>729180107>tripfag is a retarded niggerLike clockwork
>>729168153The new remake is probably the way to play if you’re only ever going to do one play through (aka being a sane person). It is missing a certain something in the sauce that the original had but it’s easily the most cleaned up, consistent experience. Has a good amount of new stuff no other version has (like the theurgy/super moves). I like the old voice cast and stuff more like a lot of other anons but remake is the better GAME.
>>729174765Yes it does.If it was meant to be its own thing, they wouldn't have advertised it as a remake.
>>729180193>>729180318Persona 3 FES Hard Mode succeeds in forcing you to actually play the mechanics correctly in battles.in normal mode you can tank your way through mistakes and think that's good game design.You didn't beat FES.
>>729179975Also your post is the exact thing I'm talking about:>Why does it matter if in the cutscene it's just a pitch black surface with light cast on it, it's probably just a thing they did to save money on the animation. Look! The location has a normal texture, let's just do that!It's a logical process of thinking, followed by designing a high resolution texture and using it for the cutscene. It's all logical and reasonable, but it fails to notice a deliberate design choice by the director, and it makes for worse experience.Tartarus is not a place, it's a state of the unconsciousness, just like all the instances of The Shadow World in all Persona games. This is why no one remembers it, or why the electronics doesn't work. Dark Hour is not an additional hour of the day, it's how Persona Users who have the ability to consciously exist in the unconscious perceive merging of The Shadow World with the real world.Nyx is devouring moonlight, merging the two to rid the world of suffering by ridding it of life. The light of the living is being brought to him in defiance, just like The Great Seal itself is an act of defiance against the suicidal wishes of humanity.>>729180229Well I hope this followup post helps you get what I'm trying to say better.
>>729168153Whichever is convenient. If you're a weeb faggot you might enjoy fes more but it sucks. Reload sucks a little less but you're still playing a game with 70 hours worth of braindead dungeon crawling and shitty dialog with 2d characters. You could easily find something more enjoyable to fill that time.
>>729180107>tripfag is retarded autist
>>729180398Yes using specific attacks on enemies weak to those attacks while buffing and debuffing is truly the pinnacle of turn based gaming. Bravo atlus. Dumb nigger
>>729180398>MechanicsLol you mean grind and make sure you apply the same buffs debuffs every few turnsDude it's persona it's as shallow as it gets
>>729180636>grindI beat FES without grinding. You didn't beat the game.>>729180591i'm going to take a shot and say you never played FES. keeping buffs up isn't exactly easy when characters can choose their own actions.
>>729180437>>729179603That's >>729180062 another thing I could argue for in the name of art direction.>the palette totally destroys the original intentions.The original color style was in line with the color coding of the game: Blue - Melancholic, the choice of the protagonist hinted personality, the interactions between SEES (them being more like coworkers than friends, as opposed to later two games), the way of summoning their personae. The cold, washed palette was chosen to support the mood of the game, which was meant to be cold, sober and a little bit outlandish at times, reinforcing the themes of impending doom, apathy and sacrifice.
>>729180062repeating lies doesn't make them trueoriginal cutscenes are overrated, there are like 4-5 actually good cutscenes, the rest are horrifically low budget slop with fucked up proportions and outdated designs reload pretty much matches what vanilla and fes looked like on CRTs
>>729180719The game with op fusion spells lolHave you played it?
>>729180719>keeping buffs up isn't exactly easy when characters can choose their own actions.Yes, not like you can equip a shitsona dedicated to buffing or anything even with the devs garbage design decisions. Sounds like you're just dogshit at video games.
>>729180719How did your lawsuit with Fromsoft go? Also can I have 20 bucks to play stranger of paradise?
>>729180890What's the lore behind this triptranny
>>729180812>The game with op fusion spells lolthat requires grinding personas which makes the game easier.the game is as difficult as you make it for yourself. if you want to grind yourself to the best personas in FES and beat the game, go ahead noone's stopping you.There's even a post-game boss that requires the best personas IN HARD MODE to even beat so there's that waiting for you at least.
>>729180763you're a shitposting loser
>>729168153>PS2 Way more challenging by limitations or ideas not implemented at that time, ideas and artstyle are more in line with what the wanted at that time.>RemakeLess challenging, VA doesn't feel as robotic as before, implementations from newer games to make it less tedious, easier to get.Both are fine, story is mostly unchanged and the changes are really not that significant unless you are a purist. I fw the og artstyle and Mass Destruction, but I liked playing the remake more if I'm being honest
>>729168153Demake is more enjoyable but FES is better if you want cred with pedophiles in their mid 30s.
>>729180890>Also can I have 20 bucks to play stranger of paradise?link your steam. my steam is ZombieFurbie =pF=i have 4chan pass you can trust me.
>>729180959nice argument fag do you get an urge to write a fanfic every time you see a close-up in a cutscene? you must have had a field day with fes
>>729179964>muh "why did they beat ryuji in that one scene1!1!1"How is this on the same level of Akechi apologists?
>>729178374I played the game and enjoyed it. You're quoting things isn't going to change that.
>>729181284>do you get an urge to write a fanfic every time you see a close-up in a cutscene?I think you confused that guy with me. Perhaps even on purpose, since you didn't respond to my other posts.If you don't recognize good art direction, that's fine for you I guess, but don't go bashing everyone who recommends playing the original on the basis of it. Maybe OP is looking for that instead of modernized gameplay.
>>729181284The cutscene art style in this game is so ugly and inconsistent
>>729178374>what it really results in is dumming the franchise down for stupid people.Not much to dumb down. It's already just incredibly watered down SMT.
>>729181684Well funny you mention that. For FES they added "Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 FES" to the title for FESi have a theory as to what this implies...i think persona 3 FES's parallel world is an SMT game...but it's just a theory. ah man...i had a dream about reaching ff14's parallel world last night...i wish it was real.>>729180927>What's the lore behind this triptrannyjust google "Elden Ring Lawsuit". That'll tell you all you need to know.
>>729181606they were just really low on budget, basically only the arrival, awakening, door's ascension got any real budget and those cutscenes are the bestalso anime cutscenes were done way before the rest of the game was finished, so they use outdated designs like yukari with longer hair or mitsuru with dark red hairi personally think reload didn't match those best cutscenes from fes, but it great improved the others
>>729181823You're suing fromsoft because you're terrible at games? Even DSP got through elden mid. No wonder you hype FES
>>729181606P3 was an actual budget title made just to reuse smt3 assets with as little new assets as possible>Oh why does the game take place in one dungeonBecause they only had to make 5 textures for the whole thing I swear all the mini cutscenes during the day just shows you the same 4 areas 24/7 it's a treat when you get to see anything remotely new like the bridge
>>729182058you don't understand the lawsuit.i accused FROM SOFTWARE of hiding an entire game inside Elden Ring. What's there to be confused about?
>>729182429Retarded, shit at games AND schizo. Impressive.
>>729182491you're going to have a hard time when it's confirmed.something about me? I actually fight for what I believe in. When's the last time you ever fought for anything YOU believed in?
>>729174621>Mitsuru is literally the only bad part of the tactics system.Aigis only uses her buffs on full moon bosses. She will skip turns on floor bosses.Junpei will actively summon a persona to use a phys attack on an enemy that just tetrakarn'd to erase its barrier for you by killing himself. Yukari will never use mediarahan and will only ever heal one person at a time.The AI is retarded and actively ruins immersion.
Idk how anyone can play Persona after playing SMTV. It's like a game for toddlers with a very low IQ. The RPG mechanics in Persona are retard tier. SMTV actually has deep mechanics to it by comparison but both pale in comparison to Digimon
>>729182552>When's the last time you ever fought for anything YOU believed in?More often than you think but I'm not a braindead tripfag who cries about video games. Maybe that's where your confusion comes from.
>>729182635>It's like a game for toddlers with a very low IQ.Hence the attention from the resident trip.
>>729182635Lol alright calm down now. It's still just a turn based jrpg Like even the most basic wrpg shits on it in terms of gameplay options and mechanics like bg1 still mogs the whole genre
>>729182649>people can't have irl stories tied to videogameslmao.
>>729182797>'people' who have so little going on in life they invest significant emotional involvement in video gamesTrannies do this btw
>>729182917this is more important than you currently understand. but because it's so connected to japanese culture, i doubt you'd understand.let's stop derailing the thread and focus on persona 3.
>the le mute died>Isn't that sadUhhhh I guess anon fucking christ it's like how people say Bambi is the saddest thing ever and they will cry if they watch it before you watch it with them and you both just stone face at the screen
>>729183184>>Isn't that sadIt'd be more sad if he actually had an interesting character. Same with the rest of the cast. What a shitty game.
>>729183174You are genuinely mentally ill
>>729183408doesn't stop Persona 3 FES being the best way to experience persona 3
>>729183472>the best way to experience a mediocre jrpgCool
>>729181225I added you but this is my friend code anyways. 211203915
>>729183802bought it for you anon. enjoy your christmas
>>729184130thanks man, I really appreciate it.
>>729183534>>>/x/41708222if you want to continue the conversation. it'll be on-topic there.
Is there a mod that changes Akihiko's voice back to his original? I'm not going through this game with him sounding like a paladin from a fantasy setting.The mods that I did find only change the entire cast, I don't mind the others I only have beef with Akihiko's new voice.
>>729169957>nigger E-CelebsWait, where? >he played the d*bLOL LMFAO
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>>729184906Akihiko is still voiced by Hikaru Midorikawa.
>>729185421wait I thought they just used Akihiko's old VA to voice the guy that sells you weapons in the remake?
Original is very depressing Reload a lot more bright
>>729185575Original is not depressing. Unless you have a selective amnesia and only remember December and January.
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>>729185575>a game about entire humanity manifesting wanting to die to escape life of wageslavery and hardships into an apocalypse brought by an alien brainwashed by this desire is very depressingThat's kind of the point.
>>729185673 Colours etc. Dropped game because of this
>>729185796you are talking out of your assi doubt you even played either game
>>729186172I hate that texture pack but it's funny I just modded p3 up nicely but since I have an ultrawide, I'm back to stretched UIs heh. Instead of 4:3 > 16:9 like the old days I'm 16:9 > 21:9. Feels nostalgic for me.
>>729186353grossi can't stand pixelated text playing pq really hurt my eyes and iirc there's no way to patch pq like fes because of how ds emulators workfes has decent mods, i even added resized dialogue boxes on a later playthrough
>>729186634anyway, full scale visuals are great there's no way im ever going back to fes and im confident that with revival i will never have to go back to golden
>>729186634soul>>729187047soulless
are there any decent body mods out there for reload?i know there were some images of a thick yukari out there and one meme image of fuuka with a fat ass
>>729187325bumping this but is there any good P3 porn? I swear surprisingly persona porn is sorta mid.
>>729187325>thick yukariReal mod. Pick it up from basedmods: https://basedmods.org/mod/47457798-1dcd-4e0a-9f72-f3dd1171035f>fuuka with a fat assFake photoshopped image from what I heard. Sadly no one makes those kinds of mods for these games because the age of the characters makes redditors froth with anger and they inevitably get removed from wherever they're hosted, this is what happened the Yukari mod.
>>729185575Mod it
