it's all battleship slop. who like battleships anyways, carrier warfare is way more dynamic, chaotic, requires higher IQ, and is more aesthetic
I was hoping nuclear option would be cool but it's gay sadly
>>729168562you can pilot a carrier in starsector, although they are spaceships not regular ships but you know it's close enough
>>729168562Drones made them obsolete.
>>729169568I love using a carrier with the shielded bomber drones that take 20 something bp.So satisfying when they have a proper enemy to counter. Shame they are increadibly slow.
Played Deserts of Kharak this year. It was pretty and atmospheric but not exactly a great game.
>>729168562Deserts of kharak has some pretty fun carrier based gameplay
>>729168562>why are there no games about aircraft carriers They exist but you always play as the aircraft, not the boat
Carrier command 2 came out less then 5 years ago and is on sale right now.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1281220/Task_Force_Admiral__Vol1_American_Carrier_Battles/I hope it turns into a good game
It's not 1986 anymore, nobody cares about carriers.
>>729170008It'll run on BEAUTIFUL CLEAN coal
>>729168562They only make sense in strategy games and console subhumans dominate the industry. Battlefield 2 had carriers because that game had legit strategy elements such as the commander mode, but that was lost in later consolized entries.
>>729170008US carriers are meant for mass human sacrifice in case people notice too much.
>>729168562Ace Combat 5 in particular has a lot of carrier scenes. But you don't actually control it.From what we saw of the upcoming AC8, it seems like it's going to be carrier centric again, perhaps with exploration inside of it.https://youtu.be/wDANkzaHY8k?t=2632
>>729170305Americans and lately chinks apparently do which is puzzling.
>>729168562>this lost to a bunch of rice-eating famers
>>729170008The U.S. is living on the idea that China and Russia have no interest in pushing an advantage which is how we have a system that isn't trying to fix itself. Our Make America's Shipbuilding Great Again is offshoring 95% of it to South Korea, Japan, and Australia. The remaining 5% is actually trying to fix the problem by building a workforce.How fucked is it? Well it took about a year for the administration to realize that pay was too low across the board to keep talent- so pay incentives are being offered- out of tariff revenue because of tax cuts. Republican or Democrat, some aspects of the U.S. are terminally under served and incompetently led. We are extremely fortunate that Nothing Ever Happens is the law of the universe right now, because any actual war right now with a near-peer nation would go extremely poorly.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1489630/Carrier_Command_2/Carrier Command 2 is the best yhing I can think of
>>729170653>lets gave a bunch of expensive planes and pilots tightly packed together There must be a better solution here.
>>729170305>>729170554also Japan and Britain says otherwise, they got their F-35s lined up in carriers too
>>729170742The US doesn't have any near-peer foes.
>>729170008>run on dieselLmfao
>>729170554carriers are 100% about bullying small countries, not about serious warfare, and sucking money, but that's another story
>>729170331>carriersThose were large deck amphibs. It's like saying 5'11 is basically 6'3.
>>729170789they can go under in the hanger below
>>729170008Against big boys like China, you only need boomers.Against small fries like Iran and Russia, you don't need railguns.
>>729170789why would you not carry as many as possible
>>729169648
>>729168903No its not
>>729170008The US is going to get its shit rocked at some point soon. The entire world lets the US pretend they're the most powerful country on earth and the conservatives have spent the last year convincing everyone that actually maybe they don't need to keep up the joke.
>>729170836They were for serious warfare in WW2.
>>729170861HARRIER JUUUUUUUUMP
>>729170836Without its carriers China cannot do anything meaningful in the open Pacific
HighfleetCarrier Command 2The only correct answers.Everything else are just RTS slop AOE2 reskins.
>>729170008Like half your post is just blatantly untrue
>>729170792>our goyslaves buy our scam planesBravo.
>>729170879classic PS1 style
>>729170894if you think the us is fucked, you should see how bad every other country is
>>729170871>why would you not carry as many as possibleDon't have all eggs on one basket?
>>729170972but you keep copying them Zhang
>>729170894>soon>>729170923They're still for serious warfare because of airpower. AD is a nothingburger problem Russians and Ukrainians have to deal with.
>>729170689Did you know that 90% of strategic bombing campaigns stop right before the enemy surrenders from being bombed too much
>>729171004That mostly applies to Yurop and Japan.
>>729170894US will implode on its own. There is nothing on Earth to counter it militarily.
>>729170959no other country has a real blue water navyif the US wants to do what they're doing to Venezuela right now and just go after shipping in the open seas like WW1 germany nobody can stop them. they arent parking them 100mi off the coast of taiwan
>>729170894>The US is going to get its shit rocked at some point soon.Agreed, but not from external threat. I mean, not military ones. Perhaps political>The entire world lets the US pretend they're the most powerful country on earth and the conservatives have spent the last year convincing everyone that actually maybe they don't need to keep up the joke.They pretty much are. China is the only real contender but destroyer count becomes quite unimportant when you're talking about direct military conflict between two nations armed to the teeth with nukes.
>>729170008Sub and drone spam counters carriers and just about anything else other than subs and drones. Trump pushing for new battleships is just showing off.
>>729171045F-35 is the first plane in history to suffer from spontaneous crashes.
>>729171117I guarantee the US will lose a carrier in the next three years.
>>729171092TWO MORE WEEKS
>>729170960This.
>>729171092Vietnam? North Korea? Nazi Germany?
>>729171171Chink clit dick COPE
>>729171032if you build a carrier that can support a gorillion planes, it makes sense to put that many on it. unless you can board an enemy carrier and steal their planes maybe
>>729171117>There is nothing on Earth to counter it militarilyBecause nukes. Carriers are irrelevant as proven by Yemen.
>>729170008Isn't air superiority king in combat still? I don't see the advantage of fielding a large navy besides fucking with supply chains, and if a global conflict breaks out that's going to get fucked anyway.
We all know warships and tanks are not very important in the era of drones and nuclear saber rattling.So why not divest this money into something actually cool like mechas?Sure, it's pretty much useless compared to a normal tank or a fighter, but does that make a difference?If all you need is something to look cool when rolling out and during parades, a giant of steel is a lot cooler than a tank.
>>729171171They are not gonna risk it.
>>729171320That's why carriers are important, planes can't go very far without them
>>729171092>Vietnamese>surrenderingThis is a revisionist retard narrative made out of a cope. In all the years we've had since the Vietnam War, nothing has been found supporting the idea that the pivot in occupation was going to force a victory. We were always on borrowed time and the pivot was only going to add a decade more to the occupation.The fact the AVRN collapsed in the same way the Afghan National Army did proved we were wasting our time there by 1967.
>>729171367Ah, the Yamato Paradox.
>>729171279You can just nuke the carrier.
>>729171359>We all know warships and tanks are not very important in the era of drones and nuclear saber rattling.Lol
>>729171150>thinks nukes will actually be usedsub 80 IQ
>>729170689People often seem to forget that the military is just an extension of a country's diplomatic arm. The purpose of going to way like the US usually does is to enact political change on the ground.The retreats from Vietnam and later Afghanistan are considered losses not because they failed to kill the enemy. No, they were very capable of that. Just just couldn't find a way to enact the social change that the government desired. So Vietnam turned red anyway and Afghanistan flipped back to the Taliban the moment American soldiers turned their backs to leave.That brings us to, what is actually necessary to bring change on the ground? It doesn't matter how many carriers or planes or event tanks you have. Those are just tools for winning battles. To force actual change in the population on the ground, you need infantry. Lots and lots of boots on the ground. Because a man with a gun can protect merchants and impose curfew. An airplane, a ship or a tank cannot.That's not the whole story, but it's the bare minimum. But America doesn't want to commit the required manpower to enact actual change on the ground. They always hope that local collaborators will partner with them to do the actual political change.But the people of Vietnam WANTED communism. They were tired of being explored and all they knew were aggriculture. And if the land was promised to them by the reds, then nothing that capitalism offered mattered. You can't sell freedom, liberty and the right to enterprise to people who are starving and know no other way of life.Similarly, the Afghani population WANTED the Taliban. They like tribal politics, they like Sharia, and they like living the way their ancestors wanted. Western values were a hard sell and they never bought it.
>>729171297Dumb Mutts don't want to get their hands dirty.They cry when one of their monkeys get shot.Chink and Russ bugs don't mind killing millions of their own people, and that's just civilians.
>>729171435You can just nuke the enemy's cities.
>>729171464You're wasting your breath, they don't understand. and will never understand. I've asked to be shown the battles in which the US military were actually defeated, and they can't show any.
>>729171504poor sportmanship not allowed
>>729171297>Carriers are irrelevant as proven by Yemen.??? How did what happened in Yemen in any way show carriers are useless? All it showed was the ineffectiveness of bombing insurgents dug into mountain strongholds.
>>729171359Nukes literally do not matter at all. Nobody will use them. Anybody still intimidated by nukes is a brainlet.
>>729171504That depends on how desperate you are.
>>729171657no bully
>>729170836Why do people who know fuck all about warfare insist on commenting on it?
>modern warshipsPathetic toys against the might of the I-Jin.
>>729171464Having more rednecks raping Vietnamese woman isn't gonna help.
>>729171750they are paid to
>>729171775>WW2I was talking about Vietnam and Afghanistan, the wars the US actually lost. US lost several battles in WW2 because it was actually fighting against major military powers instead of rinkadink insurgencies.
>>729171596There is footage of a carrier running away in the Red Sea.
>>729171359>M.A.D. is in full effect, every country in the world is easily capable of destroying the biosphere and ending all life>Because no one is willing to risk open warfare, all political disputes are now solved via giant robot death matchesI'd play that game.
>>729170959>chinese carriers isn't their new "super carrier" a coal powered shitbox that takes an entire day to get combat ready? I guess it could be worse, it could have a fucking ramp
>>729171890... you mean returning to port for resupply? That's what happens when you run out of bombs, dipshit. They'd been engaged in high alert for an extended period of time, and ran out of munitions. There was no point sitting in the hot zone waiting to be resupplied, might as well go back to a friendly port to give sailors some R&R. Yemeni didn't sink or so much as scratch a single US Navy vessel, let alone the carrier.
>>729171890>Americans bomb your country with impunity for days on end>eventually decide to leave because they ran out of bombs>HAH THEY'RE RUNNING AWAY!third world mindset I guess
>>729171451What good did bombing the Houthis with expensive planes and missiles did?Is US or China have the balls to really fight each other with expensive gold plated equipment?>>729171462>>729171657That's why I said saber rattling. Both US and China will at most throw some cheap stuff at each other and make some ominous speeches about nukes to save face then slowly disengage.You can do that with cheap stuff from cold/vietnam era. No need to use the flying gold bars with VR monitors and automated fleshlights.Use the money wasted on that stuff building actually cool stuff.
>>729171382>use planes to bomb soldiers and facilities on ground>keep doing this>now reach the capital of whatever country you're fighting>kill / capture the presidentnow what are the big boats gonna do?
>>729168562Highfleet basically does that but in the air.
>>729170836Carriers are offensive weapons designed to project airpower away from home.>carriers are 100% about bullying small countriesA single American fleet carrier's strike group can overpower most countries, so it's easy to think like that. But the real answer is that American combat doctrine is to first wrestly Air Supremacy and then pummel the enemy as one-sided as possible from the air. China has carriers because they believe they can actually win that fight from the US.Whichever side loses their own carriers first gets to be on the bad side of the Post-Midway Battle Pacific War situation, where you can just defend. Or you can be like the Soviet Union who knew with absolute certainty that the US would win the air war, and so they designed their doctrine to accept that fact. Russian planes were only expected to wrestle control for short period of time.>>729171516You can lose a war without losing any battles. Vietnam was not an existential war for the US, and neither was Afghanistan. For them to win, all they had to do was force the Americans to leave. And they did.All of the Vietnamese and Afghani goals in the war were achieved, and none of the American goals, really.>>729171810The only way Vietnam could have possibly been won was, ironically, by staying long enough to raise a generation of Vietnamese people who loved western values enough to uphold them after the US was gone. And rape happens to be a good tool for that.
>>729171904I'm pretty sure that's the plot of G Gundam.
>>729172073>>What good did bombing the Houthis with expensive planes and missiles did?A few hundred houthis were killed, minor infrastructural damage. Not really worth the expense, but the US suffered zero casualties so not exactly a loss either.
>>729172160>>You can lose a war without losing any battles.Yes, that is my point, but it not something people who say "US lost to rice farmers" understand. The US absolutely destroyed the rice farmers. The US annihilated the Viet Cong. Every major offensive by the Vietnamese ended in military disaster. But they still won, because the goal of the war couldn't be achieved by these military victories.
>>729172160>For them to win, all they had to do was force the Americans to leaveThey didn't do this though. They didn't "force" anything. You make it sound like they applied constant military pressure that America couldn't handle, but that is not the situation at all. You're a lying, deceptive cunt.
>>729171750Meanwhile REAL war experts predicting Ukraine would fall rather quickly and parroting propaganda about Ruzzia's invincible army.
>>729172312I will admit that I bought into Russian propaganda at first. Because Ukraine didn't really put up a fight in 2014. I thought 2022 would be a repeat of that, and was shocked at how the Russian offensive fell apart within a few days. Two months into the war, I realized it wasn't gonna go like it did in 2014, and Ukraine had a shot. Too bad they squandered so many men and resources in their disastrous 2023 counteroffensive.
>>729171996>pilpul
>>729172160>And rape happens to be a good tool for that.>The only way Vietnam could have possibly been won was, ironically, by staying long enough to raise a generation of Vietnamese people who loved western values enough to uphold them after the US was gone. It's weird when some retard makes a correct point about one thing but utters out some shit that's so fucking stupid that I almost want to disagree with him about the other point out of principle. Thank God we don't have people like you as a decision maker.
>>729171382Yeah but the US still has bases the world over. It's not like WW2 and 1 were you had to drag equipment, materials, tanks, gear, and stuff across the ocean. Most of the military infrastructure is already built up a spitting distance away from 'problematic' countries.If a fight breaks out with China we'd just build up / expand the Okinawa base in Japan and fight from there.
>>729172434>I'm going to call you a liar because I can't refute anything you saidYeah that's what I thought, little thirdie cunt.
>>729172269>But they still won, because the goal of the war couldn't be achieved by these military victories.They won because all it took is dig some holes underground and rely on fauna which fucked with enemy detection for surveillance planes so americans had no choice but to send troops by foot to drag out the viets. This made bombing the area a battle of attrition where the american army saw that the amount of resources spent didn't measure to the casualties.
>>729168562>floating giant squadI suppose it's basically an RTS experience unless you allow players to control anything deployed from it too. Takes A LOT of good game design to make such a game fun.
>>729169648lol temu cope>b-but china has just unveiled mothership dron-lasers pointers and signal jammers can bring it down midwit>>729170008>hypersonic missilescomplete meme the fact that Ukraine a third world shithole has downed them with 80's - 90's anti air missiles has shown that they're not so "hypersonic"
>>729171978Apart from power supply, type 003 is a huge leap in capabilities for the PLANTheir type 004 carrier under construction will be nuclear powered
>>729172461>If a fight breaks out with China we'd just build up / expand the Okinawa base in Japan and fight from there.If that fight breaks out and you're in Okinawa you're going to get real familiar with a three letter acronym and just how much range modern weapons systems have.
>>729172059Lmao cope
>>729172202And US did it with basically Super Hornets.The B-2 was used to deliver the the MOP for jack shit effect. F-35C was a bit more useful but I'm sure they'd managed just fine without.
>>729172094if you want to do this against a country that isn't your neighbour you need a place to land all your planes, resupply and reorganize themwhat better place than one you can move to wherever you want in the ocean
>>729168562Aircraft Carrier Survival. And it's $1.50 in the Steam sale.
>>729172510I see you bought into the peacenik propaganda about Vietnam. The bombing campaigns were expensive, but they were also working. Very slowly. They kept the Northern army pinned down and unable to do anything. What really needed to happen was an actual decisive strike into the north, which was forbidden. US forces could only mobilize in the South, to clear out incursions by the VC and NVA.But Congress was scared of letting the Army off the leash, because they thought it would escalate things with China and it would be Korea 2.0. Because they didn't realize how utterly fucked the Chinese army had become as a result of Korea. If the Korean War was a humbling experience for the US Army, it was the mother of all Pyrrhic victories for China. It gutted their army, they lost all their veteran troops, even Mao's son died. Half a million dead to secure a worthless buffer state that was a bombed out ruin. It cost them the chance to secure Taiwan.
>>729171904robot jox
>>729172461>If a fight breaks out with China we'd just build up / expand the Okinawa base in Japan and fight from there.If a fight breaks out China would bomb Okinawa until it's a crater. It's much easier to repeatedly hit an island airstrip than a carrier. America's carrier groups are actually the most effective weapon in such a war.
>>729168903FPBP. It's utter garbage and is shilled here constantly by the dev and his tranny discord
>>729172704It was really just an excuse to use some expensive hardware and give a testrun. It's the only way I can rationalize it. They had to know it wouldn't really do anything to a widely dispersed insurgent enemy.
>>729172552>hypersonic missiles>complete memeI'm going to take Russia's side here. They were a meme at inception, but nowadays hypersonics can reliably beat Patriots and require mass in order to defend against, which is bad because we can't keep up with Patriot missile demand. You can see war reports on it from ISW and other institutes. Hypersonics are actually pretty viable, which is why the U.S. and China have designed theirs.
>>729172412Also worth mentioning Wagner Group marching towards Moscow basically without resistance and only turning back because the Hot Dog Seller was failed to resist a Persuasion attempt, only to find himself dying an untimely, unpredictable death a while after.If I wrote a turn of events like this in my Gundam or Halo fanfic people would call me an idiot.
>>729172305>You make it sound like they applied constant military pressure that America couldn't handleBut they did.The reason why the US withdrew from Vietnam was because they were losing the war on the homefront. People were sick of the money and lives wasted for nothing gained.The Vietnamese understood very well that simply causing as much death and injuries to Americans was THE ultimate strategy to follow. America is a democracy and, if the war becomes too unpopular, you just need to wait until the next election.Afghanistan was the same. America withdrew because the political cost of staying in the war was becoming too high. The military pressure that they put was in the form of caskets being sent home, not military defeats.The reason why American can't seem to win any more wars is because the whole world has already understood that the most certain way(the only way really) is to drag American into wrestling in the mud.>>729172312Not even the Ukrainians themselves can believe that they held out this far. But it's a matter of time, really. Their allies have already made it clear that the uncrossable red line is sending their own nationals to die in their war. All the guns and systems in the world are worth nothing without people to field them.Ukraine was already a country with serious demographic issues. The war has killed or maimed the majority of 30+ year olds in the country(unlike usual, they conscripted older men first), the only men left are the zoomers. Many of them have run away, and pretty much all the women too, crossed over to Europe. They are NEVER coming back. Ukraine is a country of babushkas and amputated men. Even if they gave Russia all of the land that Putin demands, there is not enough manpower to run the 80% that would be left of the country. Post-war Ukraine will be a country that will depend a lot on immigrants, which will be the end of Ukraine as a people.
>>729172787>If a fight breaks out China would bomb Okinawa until it's a crater.lol with what? You guys just assume every country has shit AD like Russia, and there's not a constant naval screen between Japan and China. Japan is one of the only foreign countries the US has shared its AEGIS technology with, which is the destroyer systems used to protect aircraft carriers from bogeys. AEGIS is why the Houthis lobbed thousands of rockets at a US carrier and hit jack shit. China would try to cross the ocean at their own peril
>>729172748>If the Korean War was a humbling experience for the US Army, it was the mother of all Pyrrhic victories for China.Pyrrhic implies you have something to lose. China was in ruins in 1950 and had nothing to lose.>It gutted their army, they lost all their veteran troopsDidn't stop them from curbstomping India and even fighting the Soviets to a standstill a decade later. Also, starting under Deng Xiaoping China would repeatedly gut its own army to decrease their size because it was too expensive.>even Mao's son died.Not a bad thing for China
>>729173146>counting tiny border skirmishes as they were giant victoriesLMAOchinks really are hilariousDon't forget yer botched invasion of Vietnam.Only think Chinese are good at is killing other chinks.
>>729173093>China would try to cross the ocean at their own perilWe're talking about destroying island bases not crossing the ocean. China can probably saturate all the said air defenses and hit Okinawa which is in range of missile launchers deep inside the Chinese mainland.
>>729173307Lol>But muh VietnamThat's an actual "pyrrhic victory" for Vietnam since their villages got razed to the ground and their economy/industry took decades to recover
The delusional world Chinks and Russians live under is astounding. They spend all their time trying to undermine the US, arguing for nuance and different points of view and they fall for their own propaganda 8000%
>>729173065>But they did.No they didn't. The single biggest military offensive carried out by the Vietnamese against US forces, the Tet Offensive, was a total rout for the Vietnamese that resulted in the almost total destruction of the Viet Cong. The NVA had absolutely no way to really pressure the US Army after their guerilla proxy was gone. There was no military pressure. >they were losing the war on the homefront. People were sick of the money and lives wasted for nothing gained.Yeah, leftist propaganda. None of it was true. >The Vietnamese understood very well that simply causing as much death and injuries to Americans was THE ultimate strategy Except they didn't accomplish this. Casualties were overwhelmingly lopsided against the Vietnamese. It was a pure mismatch of ideology. Americans thought 56,000 war dead was a terrible loss, the Vietnamese lost almost 2 million people and considered it a victory worth winning. Fundamental values-gap. Americans couldn't comprehend this willingness to die.>Afghanistan was the same.lol no. Afghanistan was nothing at all like Vietnam. You are a huge fucking armchair general pseud if you think this. Afghanistan was a fucking walk in the park compared to Vietnam. It lasted way longer and had not even 10% of the casualties of Vietnam. Afghanistan was actually safer for an American GI than Detroit was for a patrol cop during the same time period.
>>729173437Sounds more like you're just upset at people pushing back against your arguments with facts of their own
>>729172748>I see you bought into the peacenik propaganda about Vietnam. The bombing campaigns were expensive, but they were also working. Very slowly. They kept the Northern army pinned down and unable to do anything. What really needed to happen was an actual decisive strike into the north, which was forbidden. US forces could only mobilize in the South, to clear out incursions by the VC and NVA.One thing is retarded politicians doing retarded shit that screws over a battlle plan another is not being able to secure an area because of compromised logistics. Are you going to tell me this was the same reason neither Russia or the US couldn't finish off Afghanistan? Political incompetence? No, the US army is notorious for having trouble dealing with uncomfortable terrain.
>>729173451now let's talk about the american air force's losses in vietnam against migs...
>>729173430Forgot to mention, 1st thing Chinese are good at is killing fellow chinks.Second is turning potential allies into enemies.
>>729173552>Second is turning potential allies into enemies.Vietnam was an enemy of China in 1979 because it was an ally of the USSR which was China's number 1 enemy at the time
>>729173506Only fact here is your clit sized yellow dick, Xiao.
>>729173613I accept your concession
>>729173594Everyone is an enemy to China, we know.
>>729173667The USSR was an enemy of China then it collapsed like a KWAB. Now Russia is a de facto ally.
>>729173451Anon, you need to look at the results. The only thing that matters.You can go b-b-b-buuuut all you want. Saying it was propaganda, massive rout, two gorillion dead, it doesn't matter.The US' goal in Vietnam was preventing South Vietnam from being overrun by North Vietnam. They failed. Vietnam became a communist country. They won by every possible metric. War goals achieved.>Afghanistan was a fucking walk in the park compared to VietnamThe open desert is a lot less welcoming to guerrila warfare than a lush jungle. Less risk of stuff like Malaria or snake bites, too. But other than the numbers not being as high, the situation was entirely comparable.The Afghani invasion was part of the War on Terror, to remove the Taliban and institute a democratic government in Afghanistan(Treaty of Bonn). They failed and the Taliban is back on power. Nothing changed.
>>729168562Damn, this beauty of a boat really bought out the seething shitskins.
>>729173437Never ask a Z where the backflipping axe throwing VDV is.>>729173506>no waiguo, by the will of Mao Zedong Great China will saturate every AD with infinite missiles and teleport infinite soldiers into enemy heartland! Supreme Leader Xi Jiping only has to kick in the door and the whole corrupt Western structure will come crashing down!
>>729173451>There was no military pressure.>Yeah, leftist propaganda. None of it was true. >Fundamental values-gap. Are you a U.S. bot or something. Like I'm a Vietnam-was-winnable guy and you're over here sprouting propagandist bullshit.
I want so badly to make a game about Essex class carrier Yorktown aka the fighting lady.
stop talking about modernshit
>>729173812>by the will of Mao Zedong Great China will saturate every AD with infinite missiles and teleport infinite soldiers into enemy heartland!Strawman
>>729173965BF6 had a real missed opportunity for U.S. vs. Europe with Russian assistance. You could've had the Essex as a rush map.
>>729168562
>>729174079See >>729172787 and >>729173357
Ace Combat 7 has you sink aircraft carriers.Also I'm no expert but there's only like 12 of them in the world and you probably only need one hiroshima bomb to sink one.
>>729171359The "tanks are enough" crowd was always retarded, tanks will die to literally anything nowadays, the problem with mechs is primarily that we simply can't achieve them yet, look at Boston Dynamics robots, that's how far modern robotics goes, now imagine macrorobotics which basically no one serious about military technology has ever taken a crack at having the agility necessary for a battlefield.
>>729173506>facts of their ownFacts are facts. "Facts of their own" is propaganda.
>>729174219Post-WWII they had a ton of ships and nothing to do with them, and so they did lots of tests with throwing nukes at them.They found out that nuking ships would set them ablaze but they would sometimes float for several days before sinking. Also that they became so radioactive that nobody dared going inside.
>>729174251mech suits are just armoured infantry tho
>>729174251I don't need the mecha to tank a roitering munition or anything, it just needs to walk. I'm sure if US or China diverted their top engineers and budgets currently occupied with meme future tech, they could achieve something workable.
>>729174251How do you think positions are held without tanks?
>>729174196Yes China can bomb Okinawa and put it out of commission. Doesn't sound so silly compared to your strawman hyperbole.
>>729174457NTA but if you're using tanks in a defensive way, you're already losing. It's fundamentally an offensive weapon.The problem isn't that tanks and their role no longer exist. It's just that, on the field, tanks are being attacked outside of combat by drones.
>>729174219>You probably only need one hiroshima bomb to sink one.You only really need to break the keel which most modern torpedos can do. It's why people speculate that submarines are going to be the WW2 carriers of WW3. The U.S. Airforce has specialized bombs that would easily sink a Ford-class.Realistically, you'd just overwhelm the carrier with suicide drones or missiles with hypersonics mixed in. The goal is to just mission kill it anyways by ruining its ability to safely launch aircraft. If you do that, its as good as sunk for the most part.
>>729174565Again how do you think captured positions are held without tanks? I don't know why you think I meant defensive.
>>729173451The tet offensive was a tactical disaster, but a strategic victory. It showed to the american people that even with half a million boots on the ground and non-stop bombardments, the vietnamese were still able to stage a massive offensive. It was the straw that broke the camel's back.
>>729174516Yes, US and Japan are going to just sit there and do nothing.Better yet, have you tried warning them about it? Surely they haven't thought about it!
>>729174748The situation is irrelevant. Tanks are meant for going up to enemies. Letting the enemies come to the tank is stupid, because the odds of the armor being taken out are much higher. Nobody goes up to a tank without a plan.
>>729175032What the fuck are you on about? HOW THE FUCK ARE CAPTURED POSITIONS HELD WITHOUT TANKS?
>>729175008>Yes, US and Japan are going to just sit there and do nothing.No, they will try to defend it, but they will fail. The likely outcome of such a war is neither side can effectively hold the islands, so it cannot be used by the US as a forward base against China.
>>729174190ASS.
>>729175098With infantry.Land warfare hasn't changed since blitzkrieg, Anon. The tanks lead and the infantry follows.
>>729175165Chang delusions are the funniest ones. Just magically everything will go in favor of China, even when the odds are heavily stacked against them in every way. Shut the fuck up.
>>729171405I wouldn't be so sure, if not for Nixons political woes things could have gone differently during and after the peace accords. Linebacker was much like the B-29 campaigns over Japan, ineffectual for most of its life, then completely overhauled into a lethal operation by the end. It was what brought the North to the table in the first place.That being said, let's just say the objectives of certain groups were met regardless.
>>729175291>Just magically everything will go in favor of ChinaIf everything went in favor they would capture every island up to KyushuIn the more likely case the islands become a WW1 no man's land between entrenched positions on both sides
>>729175165Ehhh... China is still untested in modern warfare. None of it's generals have combat experience.
>>729175165Praise Xi Jiping! Our unstoppable attack will penetrate corrupt western defenses in a deadly blow to thoroughly annihilate them! Cowardly xiao riben will be too afraid to retribute!
>>729175289Tanks will die to literally anything nowadays, so soft human flesh should replace the role of tanks in a war?
>>729172615oh boy a new marine disaster coming soon
>>729175502>China is still untested in modern warfareSo is the USA, unless you count middle eastern operations as real war (lol)Japan has seen even less combat but it's apparently being hyped up here
>>729175502US Generals only know how to fight insurgencies, they're not that far ahead.Unironically, Russia is probably fielding the most experienced Generals right now. Since they are actually fighting a symmetrical war against an opponent who is technological superior.>>729175607Anon, I don't know what to tell you. Infantry holds the line. Tanks are for attacking. That's how it is.Just because you've seen so many webms of tanks being rekt doesn't mean that they "die to anything nowdays". There is a lot of tech that exists that improves tank's odds of survival.As for drones....there are already systems that can shoot down drones reliably, even the small ones. The key will be retrofitting those systems so that they don't shoot ammunition more expensive than the drones that they're aiming at. The current "meta" isn't going to stay the way it is.
>>729170689They lost to the NVA, not guerillas.
>>729174832There's a fun theory that the Tet offensive had a secondary objective of severely depleting the Viet Cong, who the NVA saw as a future political threat.
>>729175502>>729175791China, unlike Russia is actually smart.All it has to do is wait fro US to grow weaker, Trump has helped them.Worst thing they can to is jump the gun.We'll see if Xi has brains or is dumb as Putin.
>>729175457The only scenario is China gets sanctioned into oblivion, millions of Changs lose the luxurious lifestyle they've come to enjoy nowadays, something Russians never experienced, while they have no formidable or capable ally to support them in the war they started and cannot win. Every day that there is no war in the Taiwan Strait is the American strategy winning.
>>729172802never buy EA games
>>729176117Why is winnie not invading Taiwan already and the Honk Honk invasion failed then?
>>729176117>China>smartYeah, the absolute brilliance of setting your own country on the path of complete demographic destruction. Talk about "do nothing, win." That's basically what anyone has to do when dealing with China. They killed themselves.
>>729176074
>>729176117>>729176220He answered already. The US is weaker every single passing day, and it's not like it's hurting them that Taiwan gets to be free for another day or another decade.In the future, at some point, one of the many flashpoints in the world will start a conflict. Once America commits to that, China can use the distraction and quickly take over Taiwan. By the time the US can switch gears, it'll already be fait accompli.
>>729176117Except Xi is an old fuck obsessed with Legacy the same as Trump / Putin. The "One China" meme is essentially his golden ballroom. He wants it done before he dies.
>>729175592>in a deadly blow to thoroughly annihilate themStrawman
>>729175314>It was what brought the North to the table in the first place.Multiple things did, the North was never keen to fight the war to begin with but it was ultimately a requirement to kick out western influence in Vietnam. By Linebacker, the Vietnamese had been fighting foreign influence for close to thirty years. You always see what peace deal you could get and there were several times were a negotiated North/South split were possible. That a bombing campaign was going to force the Vietnamese to give up is a far reach though. The fight for the North was always existential to them. Expanding the war is the number one button people keep hitting, but we had already expanded the war, which just drove the Vietnamese to dig in harder for the long haul. The path forward was always a negotiated split but it's hard to get to that when public opinion in the country was extremely negative towards Americans and the Republic of Vietnam. Much of that was earned through poor discipline and accountability in both the U.S. and AVRN forces. The South Vietnamese didn't have much incentive to support a government that wasn't aiding them. Especially when what was being sold to them was mostly fantasies.The whole war was an objective mistake though. there's nothing in hindsight that supports our involvement, and even at time domino theory was just an ignorant understanding of the communist world born out of fear mongering instead of properly understanding real politics... Which wasn't a new thought. Bismarck and other late 18th century politicians had already demonstrated how that worked.
>>729176558Three old boomers fucking the world over mere years from their death, lmao.
>>729176872Hopefully Trump invades Venezuela so we get more jungle kino.
>>729175791>So is the USAThey just have extensive testing and usage of weapons in real-world scenarios and thousands of service members that have actually killed a man, as opposed to the soft pink fleshies in the PLA who got an adrenaline hard-on beating some Indians with sticks. But all this Chang going to war fantasies is embarrassing. Put up or shut up and start the war. Nobody is going to start a war with China. And as long as there is no war, America's nearly 50-year strategy continues winning.
>>729176294To be fair, drones will do most of the fighting these days.And in a hundred years chinks will still be chinks, living in their homeland.US will be an unholy mixture of Jeets and Spics with a tiny white minority, which both Dems and Repubs want.
>>729177371I like how chink simps will downplay the number one most important issue that the CCP is trying to solve.
>>729177165>Nobody is going to start a war with China.true
>>729177505What is that?Break their kids' legs to make them taller?
>>729177505I don't want Chinks to win, just Mutts to lose.
>>729171125That's me in roughly 24 hours and 5 drinks in.
>>729176997But I like drum and bass more.
>only game with carriers I know is WoWs>but gameplay is braindead and everyone calls you a pedophile 24/7
>>729170186I wante this game to play as grorious nippon but there's only an american campaign :(
>>729168562Aren’t there a ton of those task force admiral like games on pc? I am subbed to some jewtube (no odea how or why)where the dude is playing that shit for years now https://m.youtube.com/@Wolfpack345
>>729178253lmao
>>729168562Because carriers are for faggots. You play a flying beehive that can't fight on it's own so it sends planes to do is job for it.>Oh I can't wait to play an airstrip in a naval battleThis is you. A faggot.Pretty much every other possible ship, even missile boat, has to risk something and engage enemy while carriers just sit there sending planes. Nobody resurrected cv captains irl and nobody likes carries in games. Fuck you.
>>729170861what the priest doin..
>>729179245Show me on the deck where the 2000 lb HE bomb touched you.
>>729174219US has already tested the effectiveness of nukes against carriers and battleships, and carriers were able to stay afloat just fine
>>729172802>It's utter garbageI've had fun with it and was thinking about hopping back in after the last updates, what makes it bad in your opinion?
>>729176498Yes yes chang orange man collapses America in two more weeks right?
>>729181610three more years, actually
>>729177754So your jewish?
>>729181783Why would a jew want their dog to lose???
>>729181610You do realize Trump has been kneeling to China all year? He quietly dropped his tariffs and even personally called Japan's PM telling her to stop being mean to China. It's over, he won.
>>7291820967D chess, it's what he wanted all along.
>>729182009Because they realize that people are waking up and they want a new power they can leech off of>>729182096Keep coping chang. Taiwan is the legitimate Chinese government btw
>>729182391>Because they realize that people are waking up and they want a new power they can leech off ofthere is no one left, they've destroyed Europe, it'll be majority Muslim in a generation, and China are more even more Jewish than themselves, Indians are filthy orcs
>>729182391>being this much of a /pol/ addictFor the betterment of yourself, please go outside, just once? Try buying grocrries in a store, it will change your life.
>>729181610It's not about collapsing America, it's about distancing it from everyone else's affairs.Xi doesn't give a rat's ass about what happens in the US, he just wants them to look the other way while he spreads his tentacles around the globe.And orange man is very much in favor of American isolationism.
>>729182391I'm a neutral party, but it's fact that Trump has been losing to China all year. Him personally calling and telling Japan's PM to stop saying bad things about China says it all about where the balance power lies right now.
>>729182928as china fails to do anything about venezula or their tanker thats the us has seized? lol
>>729182834Most Americans are isolationist, alwasy was.Never should have joined WW1, on the wrong side too.
>>729181610Well considering a fuckton of problems are going to be hitting back to back once the new year starts, probably.
>>729182928>I'm a neutral party,lmao look and this fat slant eyed chink lie
Just saying, a carrier is typically useless and vulnerable without a full strike groupe around it, plus submarine.You wouldn't be playing a carrier game, you'd be playing either a strategic game or a management game where you just make sure the aircraft are supplied and launched correctly.Frigates & destroyers are much more expandable polyvalent and actually get on the front line so obviously it's more engaging.>>729168903>FilteredJust searched Steam for anything with "carrier"https://store.steampowered.com/app/580720/Carrier_Deck/https://store.steampowered.com/app/1489630/Carrier_Command_2/https://store.steampowered.com/app/1802690/Carrier_Command/https://store.steampowered.com/app/1829120/Carrier_Commander/>>729170960>HighfleetOverrated arcade shooter with a fun navigation minimap.But the developers have been neutering all the appeal of ship design to because he can't balance it, and looking at previous feature he basically nerfed everything about airforce as well, it's almost impossible to make use of aircraft.
>>729183117Do explain to us why Trump would personally call Japan's PM and beg her to not say bad things about China and mention Taiwan? Go on now.
>>729172160>staying long enough to raise a generation of Vietnamese people who loved western valuesTried that in Afghanistan.
>>729183230Keep coping, Trump only bends the knees for Clinton (Bill).
>>729171125Lord i cant change~
>>729172305America would be communist today if they kept fighting in Vietnam.
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>>729172467Post nose.
>>729183330>Billso thats who he was talking about everytime he mentioned Big Beautiful Bill
>>729183449Either that or full blown fascist. The US generals were predicting serious political unrest and revolution if they kept fighting an useless war.
>>729183371America is already marxist, just with faggots instead of the based kind.
>>729168562being deployed on a carrier sucks ass except when youre on the flight deck. flight deck nights are nice bc flight schedule ramps down, things get quiet, you can see the stars and are mostly just waiting around for ships company to connect you to a tractor so you can move birds around. i still remember the night after we got done fighting the gw fire, i took my float coat up and just sat on the deck under an s-3b viking and watched the stars, there was no one else up there except some people talking in the catwalk below. shit was kino
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>>729182817>yessss goy give us your money
>>729183230Because Japan would be immediately destroyed in a war with China due to being non stop cucked by the USA.
>>729183630There is no such thing as a based marxist, they are either jews or golems
>>729183878cant transport troops to another country if you're being blockaded and your entire navy has been disintegrated
>>729183878>Implying the US would lose in a war against ChinaFuck off chang.
>>729171435>You can just nuke the carrier.Every carrier has an escort of ships to deal with every contingency. A cruise missile can be detected and neutralized before it poses a danger to the carrier. There's also a submarine tagging along to retaliate with nukes. The US has a the doctrine of automatically declaring war if a carrier is sunk, so it's possibly the worst move a country could make, presuming they can.
>>729183948Wrong, they used to line up faggots along with other reactionary perverts and shoot them.
>>729173451>Americans couldn't comprehend this willingness to die.Precisely because they are soulless golems who can only coonsume.
>>729184636Golems vs bugmen, neither of you have souls.
>>729173065Given the bullshit you write about Ukraine I smell the Kremlin's trolls hands behind that post.Ukraine is more as a people than Russia was before the war, even if the nationalist relish sending Russia immigrant to die first.The only thing keeping Europe from of fielding troops, is that doing it now would mean being the one's declaring war to Russia (even if Russia is already at war against Europe but incapable of direct attack).Putin is desperate to NOT sign a cease-fire or anything without a political recognition akin to "victory" because he knows that once it's done, he can't attack again without giving EU's POPULATION a palpable reason to kill him and undo all his prior propaganda works.The EU is arrogant yes, but only because some still hope Trump will only be a momentary retard and 5 years is not that long...
>>729170045Came here to post this. Carrier command 2 op.
>>729184440False, they serve the jew and only serve to further their goals. They supported the fags in the us
>>729169648What? Where do you think the drones launch from?
>>729185129Sodomites are a capitalist perversion; they will never be true Socialists.
>>729170742>We are extremely fortunate that Nothing Ever Happens is the law of the universe right now, because any actual war right now with a near-peer nation would go extremely poorly.It's always been that way. See>every war in the last 250 years
>>729173552Vietnam has been an enemy of China for thousands of years.
>>729185218Corvettes that don't cost 10 billion dollars.>>729185373>China has been oppressing and trying to conquer Vietnam for 1000+ yearsyes
>>729170787>ramp
>>729185218Drone ships ;)
>>729176220Because they are smart(er) and know it's not the time or even the method.I just expect China to blockade economically Taiwan and bet on the US not firing first to prove they should switch allies and give up in the way of Hong Kong.>>729176294Reduced demographic mean nothing when you just became the second most populated countries in the world.The only thing that could bother them is a generation of old people to feed & care for, but it's China, they won't live long or will be sent to discrete extermination camps.Your plan is so retarded I really think you can be a Chinese infowars bot being told to push the "do nothing" mindset.
>>729169648first-generation ASMs did that half a century ago m8
>>729170045>Carrier command 2is this good if playing solo?
talk about aircraft carriers
>>729184186Move troops? Just nuke Tokyo bruh.
>>729184429>declare war when you are already at warExpert move.
>>729185009>The only thing keeping Europe from of fielding troopsIs that the French and Briddish would sack Berlin just like the crusaders sacked Constantinople.
>>729185218>What? Where do you think the drones launch from?Flying drone carriers.
>>729168562Fuck carriers. Give me ships of ye olden days of yonder.
>>729185234You still serve the jew
>>729186178there is nothing to sack in Berlin, just concrete office parks and kabab stands
>>729182302>7D chess, it's what he wanted all along.Kneeling to China then?The Donald is a dumbass who think by threatening to break the economic system, he'll get -smart people- to just give him what he wants to make him stop.With China it was: "I'll put tariff, give me a deal that look really cool on camera and I'll lift them" (just like he wanted to during his first term)....but he is an incredibly poor businessman who don't know that by taking on everyone at once he put the US economic in a position of weakness that's profitable for China who only had to wait him out.Not saying China is any smart, they just happen to have a docile & exploitable population along huge economic resources. I'd not surprised for China to crumble again the second they can't contain their population.
>>729185009>The only thing keeping Europe from of fielding troops, is that doing it now would mean being the one's declaring war to RussiaNigger open your eyes. The reason why no country is sending their troops to Ukraine is because there is not a SINGLE country in Europe today whose political regime would survive such a decision. Nobody cares about Ukraine, let alone to to pay the political cost of taking such a step.European governments are scared shitless and doing all in their power to prevent what they all "Far Right" parties from taking over power. They don't have the political capital to afford starting a war now.As long as Russians soldiers are dying, the west is happy to keep giving guns to Ukraine. The outcome itself though is of little importance.>Given the bullshit you write about Ukraine I smell the Kremlin's trolls hands behind that post.I'll admit that I'm pro-Russia but purely because the world needs more balance right now. Putin and his country are no good guys by any measure but they do make some fair points about the west and Russia. Like how the west wants to erase the fact that there were, in fact, fascists elements infiltrated at every level of the Ukrainian government and organization.The stuff I said about Ukraine's demographic collapse is real though, supported by western data and all. You're free to go look it up if you don't believe me.
>>729186712China will collapse before America I guarantee
>>729186712>I'd not surprised for China to crumble again the second they can't contain their populationOh that's the whole thing about China.Their population accepts the regime and all the restrictions it brings because, in truth, it's a contract. As long as the CCP can continue China's growth and properity, freedom is a fair price to continue paying.Why do you think China builds entire cities made of cardboard that nobody lives in? Because the numbers need to keep going up, towards the moon. If there is no demand for construction, they will create artificial demand. The economy must not stop turning, ever ever ever.
>>729186932CCP will collapse, China won't.It is the longest extant civilization on earth.Chinks will be boiling live cats and torturing dogs to eat for a thousand more years, long after the West has degenerated into a brown spic/muslism shitskin bio-mess.
>>729171464>they could win they just didnt want tomentioning afghanistan will only work on people who have no idea what went downamericans lost EVERY outpost they were cornered and HAD to fleeseriously, this bs of say "we're winning" no matter what happens is the reason veterans cannot reintegrate into society
>>729185009>The only thing keeping Europe from of fielding troops, is that doing it now would mean being the one's declaring war to RussiaThe only thing keeping Europe from sending troops to Ukraine is that not one European will fight for their elite/government.And if you are one I recommend you take the next plane to Kiev, join the war and leave me and my people in peace.
>>729186120There's a stark difference in the number of assets the US can mobilize depending on whether it's in a state of deterrence, a state of war, or a state total war. Sinking a carrier with nukes initiates a total war scenario where the entire US economy shifts to support a protracted engagement and the draft becomes a looming possibility. Sinking a carrier alone warrants a regime change, but getting nukes involved is WW3.
this thread must be full of zoomers and yurocopes because multiple generations of americans watched this scene when they were kids and thought it was the coolest shit ever. I did and it still is.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNxvXj9nff4
>>729171032it's a heavily protected basket and there's more than just one
>>729187513The kneejerk reaction would indeed be severe but the number of warning lights that would light up in the Pentagon if a carrier was sunk by conventional armaments would be severe, too.For every carrier out in a mission, you have one or two in maintenance or outfitting. The US has that many carriers because it needs that many carriers in order to make good on their many security obligations around the world. Losing one carrier and the looming danger of losing more would force the thinking heads into debating "which of ours friends do we love the least?"It's not the 1940s anymore, they can't pump out carriers by the dozens like they did back then. America lacks the shipyards, the workforce and will surely lack the electronics. Those ships can't be replaced, and losing even just a couple would make them unable to maintain their global presence.I don't think they'll want to default to a total war automatically.
>>729175289>>729175607tanks are meant to be supported by infantry and infantry supported by the tank. The 3 day military operation is a shitshow with tanks being used incorrectly and get btfo so that's why the "tanks are dead" meme is happening now
>>729168562infra type game where you're maintaining the entire carrier basically and the last mission is you firing a missile or something
>>729168562Can we have a game where a swedish sub sinks the entire US aircraft carrier fleet?
>>729168562Carriers work only in strategy games.Battleships are cool because when you are in controll of battleship you are biggest, baddest ship with biggest guns that is out there, carriers are exel spreadsheet, send some planes 100km away so they bomb stuff hurray.Most ship games are about submarines anyway.>>729171359>>729174251>We all know warships and tanks are not very important in the era of drones and nuclear saber rattling.>Tanks will die to literally anything nowadaysAnon did you miss little event called WW2? Look at tank lossess during WW2. "Tank is dead" is meme dating back to WW1 with invention of anti-tank rifle, anti tank cannon and anti tank tactics with grenades. Everything can be destroyed with dedicated tools, AA destroys planes, anti tank destroys tanks, anti personel destroys personel, anti ship destroys ships.Somehow despite "muh drones" every developed nation is investing into new tanks, same as during 1960's when primitive atgm destroyed tanks and press called end of tanks, we still have thousands of tanks and armoured warfare 60 years later.It's called combined warfare you are supposed to use all your assets together in support of eachother just prepare for anti-drone warfare same way you prepare for anti aircraft warfare.
>>729180980It's obviously not utter garbage, but that doesn't get (You)s. It's a fantastic aerial combat sandbox game, and it's dirt cheap ($18 USD). I've got like 100 hours and counting on it. They just added the A-19 CAS plane (pic related).
>>729187923>I don't think they'll want to default to a total war automatically.I do. The US will need to reaffirm it's position as the hegemon of the western world swiftly before another carrier gets taken out. This means they'd probably compliment the surgical strikes to enemy military assets with strikes to oil fields and energy plants before shifting to firebombing whole cities like Tokyo or Dresden to pressure surrender. Taking out a carrier is like cutting off a man's finger, he'll either pussy out or use the remaining fingers to choke you to death, and the US stands too much to lose by pussying out.
>>729189583>and the US stands too much to lose by pussying out.True enough. Confidence in the US dollar would crumble if the US can't make good on its security guarantees. Going full mask off schizo and killing millions of civilians in retaliation is probably the lesser of two evils in the grand scheme of things.
>>729190026>and killing millions of civilians in retaliationThat'd only be justified if nukes are used. Killing millions to ensure MAD doesn't lose meaning would save billions.
Jane's Fleet Command
>>729170787>>729170861>>729171042>>729183175>ramp
>>729171359>>729174251The problem is there are still roles on the battlefield that were any other asset modified to fill that role would just become a shitter tank.
I'm waiting for the next great US naval war so we can see the first carrier ever sunk by a tiny naval drone. Shit's gonna be hilarious.
>>729170979eh
>>729170979
>>729191792We can use smaller giant robots for those.
>>729168562It is pretty boring inside an aircraft carrier if you watch carrier tours and the cafeteria is the most exciting area on the whole ship
>>729192262The glamour comes from being months on end 24/7 surrounded by seamen, partying with seamen, sleeping with seamen, sharing moments with seamen, being covered head to toe with seamen and enjoying it until the days all canons burst during the heat of battle for the sake of fighting for our fellow seamen.
