He literally did nothing wrong.
we know
>>729168750He was a simp
both renoirs are completely right
>>729168849He was trying to protect his family
>>729168750he overfed his wife
The fact that he just killed Expeditioners instead of telling them to go fight the real Renoir means he did everything wrong.
>>729168750Everyone deals with grief differently so him trying to force what he feels is best for his family is not the right approach.
>>729169365Verso is trying to kill himself and the entire world with him
>>729169290Erm but they wouldn't have believed him because he's immortal o algo
>>729168750>ALINE, GO TO THE BATHROOM>YOU ARE SHIT-TING YOURSELF
>>729169290expedition 60 tried to tell everyone
>>729168750He kinda looks like Nick Cage
>>729168750aislop
>create fake copies of your real family>make all but the one you lost remember what scarred them physically or emotionallywhat the fuck was her problem?
>>729169290He did. The Verso and Julie journals mention that he and Verso tried working with expeditions and guide them toward Renoir instead. But the expeditions either get suspicious and turn on them cause they've been told all their life paintress bad, or they did go to Renoir and got promptly stomped by him or Nevrons and Aline loses access to their chroma permanently. Fake Renoir probably just gave up and just started killing the expeditions to send their chroma back to Aline.
>>729169365You're thinking of the wrong Renoir. This is painted Renoir. He is unable to do anything wrong because he has no real power in the painted world. The painters will always be superior. pRenoir is simply fighting as best as he can for his survival.
>>729169878Aline sees them as NPC's, it's why she scarred their eyes to remind herself they are copies
Why did Renoir create the Axtons if he wanted the Expeditions against the Paintress to succeed? Were they there to just siphon off chroma?
>>729170298Probably to draw in Expeditioners and take their chroma. When enough failed before them, the Axons had enough to be able to craft the barrier breaker. That sword is literally made with the lifeforce of every expeditioner who tried and failed before. For those who come after is not only just an inspiration slogan, it is the very foundation that Renoire set up the expeditions to fail/succeed
>>729170298Chroma is power. The more Chroma he controlled the less power she would have and would eventually be forced out of the canvas.
>>729169878Aline despises Alicia lmao, she blames her for the fire (rightfully) and Verso died getting her out or whatever which just makes it even worse.
>>729169862this was debunked
>>729169862sorry rakesh, your days of outsourcing work are over.
>>729168750>Literal control freak>Makes everything worse for everyone>Makes everyone mourn his way>Obsessed with making his wife fat as fuck>Calls her daughter a ghost Nothing wrong...
>>729170660man, verso was such a gigachad
>>729169862People keep arguing about this, but what did they actually use AI for? Far as I know, it was just some meaningless newspaper textures stapled to a couple poles
>>729169290They did.It's why the three of them don't live in Lumiere, people don't believe those immortal fuckers
>>729170809None of this would have happened if he had just let his dumb chud sister die for getting dicked by writers. But then none of the cast would exist, as they are all creations of Aline. There were no humans in the world before the paintress entered it and filled it with humans to keep her fake Verso company.
Everyone tells me to play this game, even my best friend with the same taste in RPG's as me, but I can't get over how gay, french, and pretentious it looks. How do you all do it?
>>729172015How do I play fun games that I enjoy? Truly a mystery.
>>729172015there is unfortunately no cure for autism anon
>>729168863Truth nuke
>>729170770that's alicia's own opinion of herself
>>729170770Wrong dude
>>729172015I just manage not to be a miserable cunt who finds any reason to bitch about anything
i had to go with Maelle's ending because killing everyone in the canvas is fucked up
>>729170848the enemies use AI
>>729168750>two versions of the same person in the game>they both oppose each other>they both manage to do nothing wrongimpressive.
>>729173206they're all already dead in both endings, Maelle just makes new people
>>729172015>GayMost of the party are cute girls who can wear cute outfits, included swimsuits >FrenchYeah, I give you that>PretentiousThat's just the first hour, the prologue was basically made to bait reviewers, after that? Is video gamey as fuck with tons of silly moments. And of you want to keep the pretentious narrative, honestly this game is way less pretentious than FFVII, Tactics or Xenogears, games that pretty much set up to bar on how much a game can get away without being intolerable for the average retard. The game is not perfect, many of its places have room for improvement but I think the best way to describe it is that the game is the french take on the 6th gen (+ DC and GBA) JRPG formula but removed shit like the convoluted and timegated missables or infinite consumables.
>>729173206>>729173981I choose the maelle ending in the hopes that the recreated lumerians will rise up, exit the painting and hang the entire dessendre family
I was happier when I assumed the architect was cast to play him.
>>729169878Clair obscure: prolonged WOMAN MOMENT 33.
>>729173928You should never blame a man for trying to defend his family.Painted renoir would have booted aline out of the canvas himself if he could if that guaranteed real renoir wouldn't touch them.
>>729169290>He hasn't found Verso's journalRead that, and Julie's, they explain how the expeditioners react to the discovery and why they just kill them all instead.
>>729173981liar liar
>>729174483play the game
>>729173981Yeah this is true, notice how Verso looks older in Malelles ending, but everyone looks like how they were in the game. Its clear that Maelle just keeps resetting the world to keep her perfect little utopia. >>729174131desu the verso ending probably is more likely for that, we never see Lune get gommaged at the end, I think she had learned enough to control her own chroma and would eventually work into becoming a paintress so she can have revenge on the Dessandres
>>729174509stupy poopy
>>729174131this is the most based post i've ever seen
>>729175867>I hope you go intot he going into games machine and megaman and snake beat you up I'm BASED
Most sane Dessandre family member.
>>729177209>I am so done with all of this shit - the character
>>729177727"Try and help but don't get consumed by their conflict and grief.""Writers are still out there and they're coming to finish the job.""Look after my sister you retarded painted version of my brother.""Hey look at you having fun, it's about time."Clea was actually based and the most well adjusted.
>>729178681Also very sexually attractive.
he old
>>729171787>None of this would have happened if he had just let his dumb chud sister die for getting dicked by writers.Alicia was the perfect excuse, he was looking for a way to kill himself, Renoir still has yet to figure it out (as seen when you talk to his shade in Sirene) but Aline most likely did, that's why her fantasy Verso is more upfront about opposing her but still has the "Something is inconveniencing me? Better kill myself!".way of thinking. Her and Renoir, because of their social statuses, wanted to force him to be a painter despite him feeling crushingly responsible for the lives within his paintings unlike his parents and wanting to be a musician instead.
>>729179361>damn my parents won't let me be what I want>i still get to live in luxury tho and have magical powers >ah well better kill myself
>>729168750That's the painted one so he's a retard who decided to act like a chimp instead of telling everyone in Lumiere what the real deal is.
This fucking song is arthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMWiqElIUK8
>>729168750Both Renoirs did the same wrong thing: losing.>>729173206Which ending is the best is surely a dilemma. On one hand, Maelle is a minor and can't consent to doing paint drugs as assisted suicide if her father disagrees, so Verso's ending is the best. On the other hand, from the point of view of the painted people, fuck those gods playing with our lives and I hope they die from huffing paint, in which case fucking up Maelle and Aline while making Renoir depressed means total victory from the point of view of people inside of the painting, in which case Maelle ending is the best.
>>729180758Maelle's ending at the very least gives hope that everything can be resolved eventually. Verso's is the destruction of the painting. Lune is right to give him that look in the end. He knows he fucked up on some level to get what he wanted.
>>729170848>Far as I know, it was just some meaningless newspaper textures stapled to a couple polesActually not even that. Those were placeholders they forgot to replace with the real textures before release. The fixed it as soon as people pointed it out.
>>729181091>gives hope that everything can be resolved eventually.The opposite, it just cements that it's hopeless.
>>729170298I think he used them to cause the fracture to try to force Aline out.
>>729181246anon, please
>>729181091>Maelle's ending at the very least gives hope that everything can be resolved eventuallyWhat are you even talking about? Everything is FUCKED in that ending.
>>729170298I think it's part of destroying the painted world, same as Nevrons.
>>729181091average normie comprehension
>>729181826renoir, clea, or even aline can pluck her out anytinemaelle is a pretty shit paintress
>>729168750Why is this image moving?
>>729182248but Aline will be joining her in the make believe trauma world at the expense of literally everyone else. The people of Lumiere were literally created by a grieving woman who was slowly going insane. they didn't even exist until after Verso died. they were all fucked from the beginning, just puppets forced to dance or be erased/edited by their omnipotent creators
>>729181091Sure, it's technically possible that things are resolved, but realistically, there's absolutely no way in hell Maelle is leaving that canvas of her own volition. She's either dying in there, or it's Paintress 2: Electric Boogaloo if Renoir decides to try again. And if she dies or Renoir gets her out, he's 100% destroying the damn thing, since now he knows he can't trust anybody in the house with it. The only outcome where the canvas isn't destroyed is if they get into another stalemate, but even that just puts us back at fucking square one.
Reminder: the only reason Renoir is forced to destroy the painting instead of keeping it up and visiting Verso every weekend is because these two retarded whores Aline and Alicia have no self control and will happily destroy their real family for a fucking painting.
>>729182772Yeah it's not like Renoir wants to destroy the painting, one of the best and only mementos he has of his dead son. But Aline and Alicia just can't be responsible with it so he has to make a choice. He cares about the painted people, but he cares more about his family. And even if he let the girls destroy themselves in the painting, it would probably be even worse for the people of Lumiere as their gods become increasingly insane
>>729181091If anything Verso's ending is more hopeful. Aline painted everyone in Lumiere, she can do it again in a new canvas after she heals. Also, with everyone outside of the painting, they can fight the writers. In Maelle's ending no one heals and with both paintresses dying due to paint huffing, either Renoir is gonna trash the thing eventually or due to being only him and Clea fighting against the writers, they lose the painting due to another house fire.
>>729183167but they won't be them?i don't knowthe game was really vague about that
>>729183205I don't know either. Maelle needed everyone's original chroma to remake people, but Aline is the original creator, who knows?
>>729183205Everyone already got deleted once at the end of Act 2. They'll be the same level of 'them' in either Maelle's ending or on a new canvas in Verso's. Unless there's some special Verso soul-juice that they'd be missing on a new canvas, even if they were painted by Aline both times.
>>729183205>>729183490>>729183618You CAN NOT win the coin flip.If I copy you and paste you somewhere else, that new copy is NOT you.
>>729183490>>729183618we really need a sequel or dlc to wrap this up
>>729183695Except this isn't copying? Like, they control the fundamental essence that composes the painted people. Clea and the Clea she paints over are proof of this
>>729168804FPBP
>>729183781everyone and everything is drawn from the same "bucked of paint" which is Chroma. They're only "resurrected" if their paint is captured and reused before it returns to the "bucket". Also, the painters edit everything and everyone they draw based on their own personal feelings, memories, mood, etc so it would be different every time, even if the same painter tried to paint the same thing using the same Chroma, the result would not be identical.
>>729168750>instead of talking to my wife im gonna kill innocent people creaturesmaybe him and his wife should go see a therapist instead
>>729184116the mother went full on fucking schizo though
>>729183205The resurrected aren't the people they were. Monoco spells it out when his kid dies. The game tells a lot of context without spelling it out. Like reading a text without vowels. Very french, very 1960ies avantgarde noire french cinema. I felt like I was watching Le Samourai again. Either way, Verso is a gigantic cunt and his moral decay guards the "good ending". Closure for the desandres. Maelle/alicia's ending ist just terrible on every level.
>>729184157and he decided to just murder a shit ton of innocent creatures instead of dealing with his wife
>>729184194what the fuck
>>729168750isn't this that AI game??
>>729184116>Mom goes on a painz drug bender because her kid is a burned mcnugget. >The other is her dead son.>dead son lives in paint hallucination.>loses herself.>dad tries to get her out by deleting everything, druggy mom resists. As do the people in the hallucination.Ngl, thia game filters tards like you wouldn't believe.
>>729184249He tried to talk to her many times. In fact he's not even set on destroying the painting, he's just trying to get her out of it. The fault lies with the paintress for creating all of them just to suffer, just to help her hide from her own sufferingRenoir chose his family over the world, even though it hurt him. You'd sacrifice your family for an AI girlfriend.
>>729184313There are segments of development where AI tools are useful and segments where they should be forbidden. The end-state should all be by the hand or talent of humans. If you can’t afford voice actors, don’t. If you can’t afford artists to make anything that doesn’t look terrible, shift your artstyle until you can make do with less.
>>729184313>>729184563herd animals like you DISGUST me....just repeating shit you heard with zero understanding or comprehension...nothing to add or contribute to any conversation...basically you act like the AIs you hate haha...pathetic really...
>>729184664Anon I don’t hate AI, I find it a limited tool with applications that fit it and applications wherein it makes garbage. Your insane defensiveness is unhelpful.
>>729184528>In fact he's not even set on destroying the paintingBy the time the game starts, he absolutely is. But he's 100% right to be. Aline showed she'd rather die than stop going back in, and we see Alicia do the same. Like he said, life keeps forcing cruel choices.
>>729184942Maybe it's semantics, but what I mean is that he doesn't want to do that at all. He actually doesn't want it to be destroyed. But it's either destroy it, or wait for his wife and daughter to destroy themselves, and eventually the painting dies with them or at least becomes warped beyond recognition.the people of Lumiere are trapped in a world of horrors beyond their comprehension
>>729184819it's as good as you make it.
>>729168750>it doesnt exist brokek what a shit story
>>729184249Reminder that to him, the 'creatures' are just NPCs. They are also creations of his wife, there were no humans in Versos painting before Aline came in there and made painted Verso. She made people in order to keep him company. Whether or not that constitutes real life is philosophy, I think it does since they have long-since outgrown their creator and are acting on their own agency to the things happening around them. But for Renoir all he sees is his wife and her perfect dollhouse, very good creations as she is a master painter, but still just fanciful artwork that is slowly killing his family. To him this is the question of throwing out a fancy painting which is someho making his entire family schizo.
>>729169290He did, but people would rather believe their gut than the immortal old man.
>>729168750Isn't Painted Renoir is basically a stalling retard. I don't see how killing expeditions was right even from his perspective instead of trying to recruit them. Especially when one expedition was on Paintress side in the endHe is just stalling providing no actual resolution
>>729186360yes thats the joke
>>729186497We are in the age where this meme is posted without ironic joke on regular basis
Real Renoir is completely in the right, Verso is right, Alicia is DUMB and RETARDED
>>729173206Me too, Little verso claimed they had souls as well and even if they didn't Aline's creations were fully sentient and acted without her imput. Plus it's odd to guilt trip about Verso's suffering while everyone else out. The idea that Aline and Alicia will never get over Verso otherwise is dumb too. If anything only paint Verso needed to die.
>>729174545The fact that Painted Clea can make Nevrons, and Simon and P Renoir can gommage people gives the impression that anybody can pull paintress shit with enough chroma.
>>729186958Lune did say she wanted to make a painting inside the painting
>>729177209>fully team Renoir in the main game and shits on Alicia>suddenly wanted Alicia to have fun and believe Aline could have fixed herself on her own in the post gameNah she just says whatever.
>>729183205If the painting is destroyed I think they are fucked. But regular gommage is an easy fix. Maelle just grabbed them out of the air.
>>729168750Should have just left his wife be for a few more decades.Instead he triggered her into having a woman moment and refusing to leave the Canvas out of spite.
>>729185709No, it isn’t. It’s as good as you modify and fix it.
>>729186360He did team up with them many times according to the journals but they didn't want to believe that the paintress wasn't the villain. So now He spawn camps them to because dying to nevrons keeps the chroma from Aline.
>>729187251She literally made an immortal cope family in there so she never needed to leave. She wasn’t coming out.
>>729180052Une Vie à Peindre is much better though.
>>729180758>Maelle is a minorMaelle is 16, but we don't know how old Alicia is.
>>729180052+ robe de juer or whatever the Sirene arena track is
we all know why were here, post those maelle webms
I still think the canvas is worth saving because the world Verso and his family created is legitimately beautiful.
>>729169570>NOT YET!
>>729184194Gestrals are not the same as the Lumiere people. Noco comes back different, Lune and Sciel come back fully as themselves. The gestrals have no chroma, the Lumiere do.
>>729187754Everyone agrees but two people like it to a suicidal degree.
>>729180021how would you react if someone showed up at your house, told you that you were made of ink, and concluded with 'and now you're getting erased because French Tom Clancy burned a man to death 67 subjective years ago, causing his mom to become addicted to VRChat RP'
>>729180052>>729187493>>729187567Paintress, specifically phase 2 mogs all three.
>>729180052>In black, his sad eyes>Through the gold, his laughter persists>In each colour, a part of him>In every shadow, his face>in each line, his passage
>>729187332same thing, man
Verso saved Alicia's life in the real world, died for it, and his soul saved Alicia's life again by getting her out of the canvas. He's a hero.Verso is a mass murderer who murdered countless people in the canvas world who are no less sentient and no less human. He's a selfish psycho.
>>729169290>The fact that he just killed Expeditioners instead of telling them but he did? lumerians just refuse to listen and wanted to kill god instead
>>729169862your "post" for sure was tranny
I did it for him.
>>729168750You just like him because he looks cool and has 2 banger battle themes.So do I
>>729169896Yes basically this.Expedictioners and the fake family have literally zero chances against a painter.So Renoir was "mercy killing" them, he said it when he killed Gustave too.
>>729191608Verso sacrificed his life for Maelle TWICE and it's still not enough for herwomen!
>>729169896>Fake Renoir probably just gave up and just started killing the expeditions to send their chroma back to Aline.This is exactly what happened. He tries to kill as much people as possible before the Nevrons get to them to prevent their chroma from getting trapped in their bodies.
>>729187101She wanted her to have some fun but not go full crazy escapism like mom
>consider this! how about the protag loses at the end and the entire journey you went through was pointless and didn't matter?!!!!no thanks, I'll have one Maelle ending please.
>>729195857>Not leaving to help your mom, dad, and sister kill the fuck out of those WritefagsNGMI
>>729195543>>729194029Come to think of it, was Gustave the very first expedictioner to notice how the chroma gets trapped inside the bodies of those killed by Nevrons? I see no mention of this anywhere else, and the plan to gather chroma during act 3 was made because of Gustave's observation.Come to think of it, Gustave was kinda reaching into painter territory with his invention of the Lumina Converter which granted the E33 with miniature painter powers to convert chroma into new abilities. I wish this was more expanded upon.
>>729168750Yes
>>729193909for me it's his voice and the kino cane sound effect
>>729196046Writers are the good guys though. Kill all Pa*nters.>>729196240Gustave and Lune did massive breakthroughs with the converter and pictos. Its what gets them so close to saving Lumiere. I don't think it needs much expanding, its a massive gameplay mechanic as well as a plot point.
>>729168750>pRenoir>actively acts against his own interests and goals the entire game>rRenoir>cucked by his painted self, can't do anything without the help of the women in his family, ultimately fails and abdicatesb-based... I guess?
>>729168750He had a kickass boss theme
>>729168863Agreed
>>729196240This is the real reason Verso killed Gustave, Gustave was becoming too powerful and making tools that would let humans fight gods
So who was the anonymous journal guy in the manor?
>>729184116Dad was right as he knows from experience what they were doing was bad
>>729169290>tell Expeditioners to go kill the other Renoir>Nevrons kill them anyway to seal Aline's chromanot the great idea you think it is
>>729169707That's because they were muscle chads and learned the truth first hand after beating the Paintress' ass
>>729187101>shits on Alicia I dislike how people decide that not being particularly nice is "shitting on them." Brother was just murdered, Renoir and Aline are busy having a spat over Aline trying to commit suicide, and she just tells Alicia to get out of bed and fucking help her. She's literally being as nice as someone can be when the entire family decides to just shit the bed and fight instead of helping with the funeral. That's Jordan Peterson's favored portrayal of Hell, and it's a good one.
>>729177209>>729177727This it was almost funny just how fed up and tired she was of it all. Could also be viewed as her own method of grieving differing of from each of the other family members where she wants to move on from the immediate stuff as quickly as possible and focus on her war so she doesn't have to think about it.
>>729206673she was the most based member of the family
>>729177209>Barefoot but doesn't actually have a thematic reason for it like lune
>>729207862I thought she was wearing sandalsand like hell it's thematic for lune
>>729207958>I thought she was wearing sandalsNope>and like hell it's thematic for luneShe has sigils going down her legs and feet. That's why she can float and why she is the only one that kicks.
so who the fuck are the writers in the real world and what the fuck is going on in paris
>>729208671and wearing shoes would interfere how exactly?
>>729208893It's magic otherworld Paris given the December 33rd bit. The Writers are probably some Alan Wake style niggas
>>729209495>the December 33rd bit.what
>>729168750Everything is wrong with his jump animation though.
>>729209651Looks at Verso's grave in Verso's ending
I gotta know. Is there a single thirdie, south american, brown, or black person that gives the slightest fuck about this game? I cannot imagine the average COD, DBZ, and Smash Bros only type consumer to stomach more than three seconds of it.
>>729209495>>729208893inb4 it's a painting inside a painting
>>729210170
the story of that game was dogshit
>>729210489kek. sure thing, pablo.
If Verso actually saved Gustave, would he help Verso at the end of the game if it meant Maelle would ultimately live?
>>729210696Probably which adds to the tragedy of the whole situation. Gustave might have even gotten the best route and convinced both of the bitches to ease off the drugs and how they could simply leave and visit with the whole family every now and then.
>>729210489Post favorite novel
>>729173206i went with maelles ending cause i gave her 600 lumina points and theres no way she loses that fight from a game balance perspective lol
>>729211414wowoverkill much
>>729170298Renoir doesn't care about the expeditions succeeding. In fact I doubt he'd think it'd even be possible for an expedition team to defeat Aline. The only reason E33 could succeed is cause of Maelle and Verso working together. No one else would be able to do itHe's winning the war against Aline over time regardless so the Axons are just there to disrupt the continent, horde chroma, and ostensibly be a barrier against the paintress
>>729195857>no thanks, I'll have one Maelle ending please.So you'll have the ending where the protag loses at the end and the entire journey you went through to save Aline was pointless and didn't matter?
Post the gameplay
So did Alone give the people of Lumiere their personalities like she did with Verso and Renoir or is it from when real Verso made it.Trying to figure out real Verso was a footfag proving that Lune is the canon choice.
>>729217076You can look it up if you care that much.
>>729217076
I'm a little confused on Maelles ending. She mentioned that if he could grow old would he smile again, so does that mean she's been in the canvas long enough for a new verso to get that old and also was that a kid version of Verso with her that can't age?
>>729169290They can't beat Renoir anyway and they can't beat Aline and they can't beat Clea and they can't beat the painted family. It's all futile in the end. There really isn't any point so he just hedges all his bets on Aline by delivering their chroma to her.>Expedition 60They didn't beat the Paintress like another anon said, they just reached her and she pointed them towards Renoir, who would've wiped them>SimonEmpowered by Clea, but same thing, reached Paintress, got told about Renoir, lost to him, and is now trapped in his place (he's only stronger in gameplay)>E33"Won" because of Alicia, but Aline re-entered like 2 IRL minutes later, and Renoir left on his own.It's pointless fighting pRenoir and even he's powerless against the Painters.
>>729219746Yeah, she did away with his immortality and his scar.This, somehow, doesn't count as painting over him for some people despite the fact she literally edited Aline's painting.
>>729220627>he's only stronger in gameplay)I think not doing a real>extreme curatorfight with new moves in the dlc is lame.Painted love doesn't hit the same.
>>729217170Aline painted Lune for her son to fuck
>>729210696Maybe, but you can’t have two men in one party sharing women
>>729213326That's what makes RPGs with customization fun.Break things apart with the tools at your disposal.
>>729221850>sharing womenVerstave
>>729168849A father is supposed to always have their kids backs. Not his fault his wife and children are fucked in the head.
>>729223843 Hard agree. Renoir never stopped being a father, he just got stuck playing god cause his family couldn't handle reality. It's not that he abandoned them-it’s that they curled so hard inward they painted themselves out of the world. He’s the last tether to anything real, and they hate him for it.
why did piano man refuse to play the piano? it's his job
