What was this nigga's problem?
>>729175305furry mind virus
>>729175305Anger management issues.
>>729175305>White man with dreads and tribal tattoosAbsolute pussy magnet in the early 2000s
>>729175305Gangrel is the best
>>729175305Probably thought he was about to bang a hot werewolf chick but it turned out to be a furry vamp LARPer and now he’s stuck sucking off Californians forever.
>>729175964nah he didn't even know about werewolves or vampires existing yet he was just tryna fuck this girl he presumably thought was a hitchhiking hippy girl that had lots of hair underneath
>>729175689>early 2000sBitches loved nu-metal. thank god it's dead
>>729175305>>729176213>no animalistic traits
>>729176623Gangrel bummaxes at the end of the game and is prone to frenzy he looks and acts like a coyote would since that's also his form
>>729175689lmao you wish
>>729175305He's a hobo, and cucked to be a furry without being a Garou chad
>>729175305gamer back, caused by the immense weight of living in a society
>>729175835In a more based game, you would have ghouled and vamped her.
>>729175305Wanted to sniff feet
>>729175305Other Kindred clans think he's like a dog with rabies that's just asking for a mercy kill before he violates the masquerade.
>>729175397This + vampirismAnyway I did as much good as I could and helped Strauss become the Prince.
how the fuck do you even beat the bosses at the end with a gangrel?
>>729177557awkwardly leaving your ex behind while seeing them in public was the most relatable moment in this game. It makes even more sense playing as a Gangrel since they're mainly independent loners.
>>729175305Not being a trve werewolf.
>>729177871I went full Protean and managed to shred the batman after dropping him with the spotlights. Not sure if that becomes impossible if you don’t kill him before running out of spotlights, though.
>>729177871My Gangrel started frenzying after two or three shots/hits towards the end and pulverized every boss immediately.
>>729177304Garou's are often too retarded to be integrated into normal society since their animalism takes them over almost completely unlike the werevamps
>>729177897>your exThis is head canon right? I had assumed she was just a friend. Though yeah, it's probably one of the most atmospheric and realistic of the random street moments in the game. IIRC more was planned with her but they ran out of time/funding. Though, a real gigachad would have tried to manipulate her into being your vampire bff. Considering you're an 8 or 9th gen it shouldn't be difficult for you.
>>729178106>animalismGarou can do normal society until they frenzy from rage, all they do is scare the hoes otherwise by being>mfw too angry to liveWerevamps are probably more likely to have difficulty integrating given the whole random mutations, being prone to frenzies, only being able to inhabit the night, etc.I'm aware anons have differing opinions on these topics though.
>>729178160Siring someone with the Camerilla (vampire mossad) watching your back would've immediately gotten you staked and beheaded
>>729178339Just like in the intro
>>729178339You work up to it, like a normal Cam lick, by asking the Prince. Or you just hide that shit properly. The Vampire Mossad cannot track your every waking moment and they often don't bother to. Your sire must have just been THAT retarded to sire you while on probation.
>>729175835It's a free masquerade violation point if you use powers to get her out of the way. A masquerade violation point down if you don't. That's it.The interrupt is fun tho
>>729177646That's probably why Lacroix spared him he thought he would be just as loyal as a dumb dog literally
>>729175835Bros, how is a random chick in a 2004 video game hotter than 99% of the cast of Bloodlines 2?
Last night I heard for the first time in my life somebody refer to another person as my nigga for real and not as a joke. I wasn't sure if I should lol or cry.
>>729178823Devs weren't retarded back then
>>729178823there was no bloodlines 2
The only thing I wish they had in this game for Gangrel was for one of the girls to pat my guy on the head and call me a good boy
Is upgraded protean form immune to stuns? The difficulty in late game is getting into fights with multiple enemies that stagger combo you to death.
>>729178891I wish devs stopped going full retard. Makes me sad.>>729178968There was no bloodlines 2 you say?
>>729179062VTMB expert here.Protean doesn't make you immune to stuns, no. What it sounds like you're wanting is maximized Defense (Wits+Dodge), since that would allow you to avoid being hit at all. However, there's no real difficulty with the game. It's not a hard one at all.
>>729177443Gangrels are literally the personification of this image and literally me
>>729180630You've 2 wolves in you. One is gay. The other one is too
>>729180630whoops wrong image
>>729180690https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTy4Am3MQ4c
>>729180757am I supposed to not want to be ted
>>729180630That's such a majestic and noble beast. When I look at them I think of power but also nobility.
Nossie FOR LIFE
>>729180249>A fucking environmentalist>Get cucked out of the Garou lifestyle BOTH waysGangrel is suffering>>729180690I wasn't aware anon was into Garou that deeply to agree to a gangbang
Are Gangrel just a holdover from before White Wolf added werewolves?
>>729180757>>729181131Ted was a very impatient Kinfolk
>>729181523I suppose but I think Gangrels are cooler than Garous because they're their own thing being vampire-werewolves with animal manipulation powers
>>729181523Not quite, Gangrel cover the shapeshifter Vampire fantasy. Dracula and Nosferatu could turn into animals and mist and bats and that sort of thing. That's basically what Gangrel are. They just made them dangerously furry to cover werewolves incidentally if they wanted to do not!Werewolves the same way they did "our ghosts are special".They sort of did, given that Werewolves in WoD are basically religious zealot ecoterrorists for Gaia and not the once a month hyperviolent retard wolf-guy. They're just like that full time instead
>>729182250part time is always cooler than full time
>>729182394Probably more traditional, Garou being angry all the time is why some anons just think they're too retarded to function. They kind of are, but only over long term plans
>>729181523Nah werewolves were a thing since first VTM rulebook, Gangrels are shapeshifting/animal controll flavor vampires that can turn into animals, mist and can controll animals.Classic vampires got split into multiple clans with their skills and banes. So Ventrue is classic commanding vampire noble, Toreador are socialite manipulators, Lasombra have no reflection, Tzimisce need to sleep on their home earth, Nosferatu are inspired by movie, and Gangrels are animal part of vampires, rest of clans are just addition like Brujah as anarchs, Setties to have connection with ancient Egypt, Assimites because assassins are cool I guess, Malkavian for crazy Tremere because your rpg need mage class so here blood mages, Giovanni because mafia is cool and necromancers and for some reason still don't know why someone decided to add supernatural gypsies in form of Ravnos who are just gypsies but undead and have supernatural scamming powers.
>>729175835It's a shame this didn't go further, was actually a cool mini quest that flew over my head first time I played it
>>729179062Nah, unfortunately Protean warform is kind of ass because the animations take forever, you're better off going into Fortitude and Auspex for increased damage resistance and just make use shotguns, can facetank and melt everything in the game with that.
>>729181523No, but that sorta connection between Gangrel and werewolves was forgotten after the 1st edition.
>>729182973Basically. Garou's problem is they're warriors by nature who now had to fill in for the roles of the other shifters they genocided during the War of Rage.
>>729175305>clan gangrel left camarillais it just me or does this not sit well at all?
>>729183915Gangrel leaving Camarilla is least problem of V5
>>729183787hold up, senpai. you're telling me there wereDINOSAURS existed?
>>729183787is that a fucking dinosaur?
>>729175305gangrel pretend to walk on all fours, but I've seen them walk upright.
Doing a second run of the game on steam deck. What a gem
>>729175305>just want to be left alone to live in the woods with my animal friends>keep getting dragged into politics between two sides that deep down hate you and just want to manipulate yourId be pissed too.
>>729184074>>729184095Mokole, wearlizards. They actually have two sorts of werebeast transformations, regular sized crocodile/alligators (I'm not autistic enough to know the difference sorry anons), and more Godzilla-esque Kaiju lizards. You may be wondering, how do Garou beat up godzilla with magic? They actually work together, unlike most other Fera.
>>729177304cursed to never have a werewolf cock
>>729177871they're literally the easiest vampire clan to play, sometimes can watch your frenzied character solo bosses.wtf...
>>729178089>>729184816Basically this. People forget you WANT to frenzy as a Gangrel it's just unless you have something to kill in front of you character will just get stuck in level geometry somehow. When you have a clear target you're a killing machine.
>>729178002the base gangrel build is full protean, str, fort, wits, dodge and unarmed. you can shred anything while frenzied
>>729184646yeah but gangrel cock works out more for being more mysterious and lonerish but handsome that girls love. werewolves got roid rage which scares the hoes
>>729178339they didn't notice Heather.
>>729185104She wasn't embraced. Ghouls are fine.
>>729184646>>729185063Unlike default Garou, a Gangrel can actually have a knot without scaring the (non-kinfolk) hoes. Going Glabro for sex has to be some sort of Garou fear kink retardation considering you might make a Hunter for life. Never mind the retarded Garou anons for instance ones that are like >surely having sex with normies in Crinos is a good idea>what can go wrong when I have peak human strength and knives for hands?
>>729185104They did, she was told where to find you and is told to relocate when you get new haven. Ghouls are allowed unless they start making trouble, 90% of them are just normal people who are completly enslaved to vampire, since they are normal humans there is nothing that can't be covered up by calling them lunatics. Vampire missbehaving on other hand is serious masquerade voliation and embrace is strictly controlled.
>>729185289>>729185104iirc you still need to get long term ghouls cleared by the Prince or else he'll mald. Less so than siring a full Kindred as that's one more mouth to feed but it's pretty disrespectful still. Maybe Heather was just lucky not to get noticed?
>>729185434That's why Gangrels are chads they don't give a fuck most of the time, they aren't a slave to their clan, aren't ugly like nossies, aren't political faggots like brujah, aren't insane like malks, and they get to fuck around like players
>>729184816>>729184990damnit I went with high humanity
>>729185434>Unlike default Garou, a Gangrel can actually have a knot without scaring the (non-kinfolk) hoesOnly problem is that kindred aren't interested in sex so having knot that won't scare hoes have no benefit since you lose your entire drive to use it.
>>729185806>since lose your entire drive to use itlol that's fucked up why is that?
Is undead pussy any good
>>729186808Well you get turned into walking corpse with no pulse but craving for blood, or more precisely obsession for drinking blood.It's even sadder from ghoul perspective, because they get addicted to vampire blood and get extremly horny for their vampiric master, but vamp have no interest in sex so ghouls are enslaved by blood and permanently blue balled.
>>729185806Jeanette still fucks though and not just with humans
>>729187173>mentally ill girl is acting like a slutSure you can pretend to have sex, but just like smoking vamps get nothing from it, outside pretending to be alive. You are also more likely to meet smoking vampire than fucking vampire because smoking is usefull for remembering to breathe while sex outside of hunting is just waste of blood you have to spend to pretend to be alive.
>>729187085there's always work arounds
>>729185806>lose your drive to fuckYou don't. It's just that drinking blood straight from the tap is better.>>729185624>aren't insaneArguable>fuck like playersExtra arguable, given you're a hobo.>>729187085Not entirely true. You still have your full range of feelings and emotions minus being unable to eat mortal food. Drinking is just better than sex
>>729187672Interesting setting
>>729185530Given how she appears after you get the Lacroix mission (and possibly a new appartment), and knows your new place, and the fact she's as fucking stealthy as a clown honking on the street, Lacroix knows. Or should know.It is a bit weird he never mentions it, but then possibly he doesn't really give a fuck, or finds it not really that important. The handling of ghouls aren't that important for Princes, and it's often left to the individual vampire, as long as you don't do anything absurdly stupid like ghouling all the cheerleaders of the 2016 high school championship.Or the devs just forgot. Probably. It's a bit of a plothole.
>>729187173Sex with Jeanette would be the craziest shit ever
>>729187001it's like sticking it into a dead fish but it's worth it
The atmosphere in this game is amazing. I'm going to reinstall it soon. Are there any other games that are similar to it? I don't care how bad the gameplay is.
>>729181391>Help Tung get rid of Asians>He still doesn't like me because I'm Tremere
>>729188921Higher ups don't care about ghouls, vampires are nobles and ghouls are pesants, noble doesn't concren himself with pesants. Only reason why prince would be interested in ghoul would be if said ghoul would be responsible or on verge of masquerade breach, then it have to be put down, outside of fuckups no one cares about ghouls.
>>729189667Nothing quite like it as far as I know. Immsims are probably the closest thing but still aren't quite the same.
>>729189667Deus Ex kinda sorta, but the writing is nowhere near as good.The whole grunge/goth 2000s mood is criminally underepresented.
>>729189667The only game(s) I've seen come close are Thief 1 and 2. Completely different genres and gameplay, though.
>>729190084thats why I should be in charge for the next VTM game while making it an actual rpg like new vegas and I would have that 2000s goth grunge aesthetic so the zoomers would fw it
>>729188904Yeah, you're still a corpse but you're able to do mostly everything a human can do, especially as a high humanity vamp or by spending blood to appear more alive. There's other pretty interesting parts of the setting and VtM in general.
>>729188921>>729189764The Prince still usually lets you know how many retainers/ghouls you're allowed to keep. LaCroix is probably too busy to care on top of being a pretty weak Prince. Although, typically it's assumed you'll only keep as many as you can safely feed and all that to avoid masquerade breaking, or god forbid, independent ghouls. For the most part, I just assumed Troika ignored the most autistic parts of the lore and setting because it would bloat the game beyond what you can feasibly develop on a nanostring budget.
>>729190517>VTMB1 >1.8 Million budget >Vampire the faggotaraide 2 >62 million fucking embarrassing
>>729190517LaCroix isn't that interested in you because you are supposed to die, this is why first thing he do after "deciding to let you live" is to send you to bomb sabbat warehouse despite you being sireless and embraced only night ago and gaining basic knowledge of vampire stuff from anarch who decided to talk to you.As far as LaCroix is concerned you are alredy dead, this is why he sends you on suicide missions or sets you up, even after you blown up sabbat warehous if not for Nines you would be killed in revange attack.
>>729190517It's not that autistic. A simple "I have heard of your new... dependent. Rest assured that as long as you remain - helpful, and she follows the masquerade, I do not care about it" or something like that would have worked. One sentence.But on the other hand, I have never asked myself in five playthrough if Lacroix really needed to say anything about Heather, so whatever. If it's a plothole, it's one so minuscule it took twenty years for someone to notice and say "wait a minute".
>>729191185I mean there's more important plot points than the random ghoul girl you can pick up so I can see why
>>729189667Deus Ex is probably the closest like the other poster said in atmosphere and gameplay.The first Devil May Cry and American McGee's Alice have pretty similar atmospheres but they're action/adventure. Earthbound has the modern urban RPG thing going on but obviously not as much of a horror game.Bloodlust Shadowhunter is an indie game that seemed to take a lot of inspiration from VtMB.
>>729190696>1.8 Million in 2003 was enough for better voice acting than 60 mil in 2025Christ
>>729191185Dude don't care very much and have a lot of plots on his head, framing Nines for murder, Grout figuring him out, sacrophagus stuff, cold war with anarchs and chinks, sabbat raids. You and your ghoul are least of his concerns. When he asks you about "your time in santa monica" he ignores everything you said unless you specifically point out that Mercurio(his ghoul and represenantive) fucked up. Just like Larry Sebastian don't give a fuck.
>>729177871How does the player get infected with the Nosferatu strain if they're too ugly to have sex with humans in the first place?
>>729192117The fact they were able to get Jake the Dog (John DiMaggio) Grey DeLisle (Princess Azula) and Samurai Jack (Phil LaMarr) in Bloodlines while the dogshit "follow-up" had literally nobody is insane
>>729190806>sent to die in a suicide mission (ad infinitum)>somehow survived and got him killedGod must have had him out for LaCroix. Small wonder though, he was a French faggot.>>729191185This is true, and Heather is more of a side thing / semi-cut content anyway.>>729192014DMC 1 was the cool sort of edgy gothic we'll never get again. Even the Resi 4 remaster doesn't capture the same grit the original had. It's a bit over bros.
>>729192418What making a game with good taste is versus what developing a game by hiring English faggots who've never made a good game before is. Simply based devs versus cringe devs.
>>729192335Obscufate have power called mask of thousand faces that make you look like John Human instead of walking masquerade breach, so they can use it to seduce someone, this is why your sire look like random vampire and not nosferatu, he is using illusion.
>>729192571Oh YEAH Tung was also voice by the Dee Bradley Baker the guy who voiced nearly every character in spongebob, the clones, every monster animal noise ever, and the special infected from lfd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0njgOS5NENA
>>729175305Burdened by his own superiority.
>>729184018Gangrel leaving Camarilla has nothing to do with V5.
>>729192974Gangrel-tards were barely Camarilla to begin with>>729192595You can't use mask to get rid of your uglyness. Your character was simply a freak. You can use it to make yourself not look inhuman though, but you'd still look like chewed cardboard. Depends on the source though.
>>729175305He had to go through the nosferatu warrens
>>729189671He can’t handle that we can do magic and look good doing it
One day, we'll get Bloodlines game that doesnt suck and will have Tzimisce as a playable faction.
>>729191185this meeting could have been an email honestly
>>729193429Tzimisce are overrated. They're showy with their body mods and cuck furniture but beyond the surface they're a pretty dull clan
>>729192452>DMC 1 was the cool sort of edgy gothic we'll never get again. Even the Resi 4 remaster doesn't capture the same grit the original had. It's a bit over bros.the best is gothic with some industrial elements. dmc1's ost was a bit industrial. that seemed to completely drop off after the early 2000s somewhat and even with goth stuff becoming somewhat popular again, industrial hasn't had the same attention for some reason.
>>729193429>playable TzimisceThey'd need their own game, given how many options they get access too. I'd love a Tzimisce single player RTS or multiple-unit control game. Like Overlord.
My girlfriend needs an actual game
>>729193575Industrial is too bleak now because it goes hand in hand with climate change and society not improving at all. It would be pretty kino overall, gothic/industrial mix. Like Lords of Shadow (the castlevania game). Mediocre game, great aesthetics.
>>729193176>You can't use mask to get rid of your uglyness.Yes you can. It's an illusion, you are still your ugly self but others see don't see it because you use illusion, it's like turning invisible but you are turning into some guy instead. In V20 you even have system of paying blood poinp per additional apperance dot, so you can be hot piece of ass as nosferatu if you have enough blood.
>>729193643>2025 >no good modern rpg with a goth vamp girl to fuck
>>729193643Same
inferior gangrel compared to the female gangrel
>>729193573I mostly blame shitty writing for the most part. Tzimisce are legit one of the most unique and powerful clans, but are basically only utilized as eldritch rivals accentuating on body horror, instead of their purpose as tyrannical control freaks, that, unlike other faggoty ruling clans like Ventrue, need to rule without Dominate (though even that role is filled with the Dracul). It was also one of the reasons that V5 (*vomits*) tried to reestablish the clan as more landlord feudal type, instead of just shapeshifting monsters.
>>729193429Tzimisce as clan sucks from development perspective. You either have to design game where you play only as tzimisce with main gameplay focus on fleshcrafting or your discilpine get downgraded into "get claws with bigger damage" just like gangrel's protean got, turned from get night vision, get claws, melt into earth for safety, turn into animal and turn into mist got changed into steps of transformation into war form, making discipline good only for combat.
>>729193931kys tranny
That's it, I'm gonna play Bloodlines 2.
>>729193941You need an eye for superior flesh horror like Giger to make Tzimisce interesting. And you also need to be reconciling that with them being le autismo clan who are huge sticklers for rules and hospitality. They're a great clan, on top of having their own form of sorcery, but the raw edge they sort of inspire only makes them useful as antagonists unless you're willing to try dipping your toes in alternative plots to the vampire superhero and the edgy hero journey and all that. They're great for playing a monster, but few writers and players are willing to turn monsters into protagonists.>>729193947Pretty much this, flesh crafting and their jew sorceries are so detailed that you'd need to make a game exclusively about them, just like the Tremere. Tremere paths are basically their own Mage game with how many options you have.
>Just remembered how awful """Bloodlines""" 2 turned out to be
>>729194219The writing was on the wall since 2020 I think.
>>729193941They're just not really conducive for the role of a protagonist who is expected to blend in and hold on to their humanity to a at least some extent. A major fuck up of Bloodlines to me is how easy it is to maintain high humanity over the course of the game and how that doesn't effect your dialogue or gameplay.
>>729194219Anon fact that bloodlines 2 will be flop was known since like 2020 when Misoda was fired, then again when project was canned and then when it was given to studio that wished they were movie studio but were forced into walking sims instead.It's a miracle that bloodlines 2 even have combat system.
>>729194036>thinking a female character is hotter than a male character makes you a trannyHomo
>>729194219The hate has been vented, from my perspective. I only feel a vague feeling of sadness that it couldn't have been better. What could have been. How did they fuck it up so hard, etc.But look, that's the same story with the Witcher series, Disney Star Wars, Halo, the Rangz of Dem Powahs, and so on. You can only take so many times being stabbed in the back before you're desensitized. What's another more. And more.And more.
>>729194196I dont think that its that difficult to make a heroic Tzimisce in a more or less believable adventure, as long as he's not part of the Sabbat. though it would be partially dependent on the nature of Vicissitude and its effect on the soul (which I dont think is much of the problem after the "alien disease" garbage has been retconned).
>>729193643Stop stealing her clothes, Dakota.
>>729194891I didn't Single White Female her!
>>729194503You know if the protagonist was a Thinblood, mostly relying on dialogue, intrigue, and favors to progress through the story, and combat was extremely limited to pretty grounded alley fights with a few humans and ghouls and maybe a few high gen vampires, I'd be perfectly happy with that. I don't really like the Elder god power levels of VTM. I kinda like it when a fledgling gets the snot beaten out of them by a bunch of gangbangers.Bloodlines isn't good because you're such a cool, low gen vampire with super powers. It's good because it's a phenomenal little tour into the setting with excellent characters..
>>729194219I wonder what would happen if Andrei would watch CSM. How much more variety of his fucked up creations with "improvements" like chainsaw heads would clog the sewers.
>>729194196Some VtM autist recommend me a good Tzimice book to read, fanfic or official whatever, this discourse put me in the mood to enjoy a story of an autistic flesh crafting killer.
>>729194337God I love Tremere girls
>>729195002>I wonder what would happen if Andrei would watch CSMGhouls with Gun Aki modifications
>>729180630https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fkWfrWrHbE
>729195002tranime fags are unbearable
>>729195002Don't give that guy any more ideas.
>>729194803>Tzimisce>The MOST restrictive and tightly controlled clan>ever allowing an antitribu>on top of the antitribu of the most disliked clan because of Vicissitude allowed anywhere>on top of Tzimisce embraces typically being people who either force their way in because they're just about that freak shit (Vlad) or like-minded autistics, nobility, and control freaksYou're looking at a literal 0.01% Tzimisce on top of Vicissitude needing to be written ignoring 40% of it's dubious canonicity material AND making him a relatively heroic guy at that despite being embraced into a clan which explicitly doesn't make shovelheads? This type of writing can't be pulled off by people with no investment in the lore, the clueless, or most modern writers at that. Not impossible to do, but you're running into some limited situations. Maybe a Tzimisce fell in love or something and had a change of heart? Still a complete rarity and already a slight retread of redemption, for instance.I like the optimism though.
>>729195002>Guy who made a flesh hammock that he doesn't plan on using simply to have decor for his LA mansionAKI-45 tier abominations for days.>>729195196I loved this base Tzigger like you wouldn't believe.
>>729195185jerma would be a ratman if he gangrel
>>729195029There's always the Tzimisce clanbook, and their Dark Ages books. The problem is Tzimisce is almost pure antagonist, so you don't often get their perspective. Heavily recommend Transylvania by Night and Transylvania Chronicles though, if only so you can see Vladimir Tepes dab on the Tziggers and become one himself.
>>729194932I didn't like play as thin blood premise, thin bloods sucks. They were big part of V5 because at start V5 went super woke and being victimised group is big part of woke ideologies so playing as thin blood was new new hot shit, you were supposed to play as anarch thin blood and fight against mysoginic and homophobic camarilla while elders got sned off to middle east and sabbat kinda didn't exist. It got backtracked when ww realised that nobody plays VTM for virtue signaling and being opressed minority but for vampire fantasy often edgy one like playing sabbat, but V5 still sucks.Playing Elder is even more problematic because at least as thin blood you can became full blood vampire via diablere during blood hunt, but Elder is biggest baddest vampire on the block so everyone should respect you and you can kill everyone without even trying, despite that in Bloodlines 2 despite being undead legend nobody respect you, you are as much errand boy as fledling was and you can get killed in fight by random ghoul.So playing as bitch thin blood with proper rpg mechanics still would beat whatever we got in release version.
>>729181523Gangrel are a reference to Lestat's mother in Anne Rice's Lestat books. When she becomes a vampire she abandons human society to go live in the wild, sleeping in the dirt during the day.
>>729195557I don't like Thinbloods as a main focus but a thinblood protagonist can be interesting for the victim perspective, and thinblood alchemy is kind of cool. V5 went too hard with them
HE GOT THAT DOG IN HIM
Thinblood alchemy is fucking awesome
No it isn't retard
>>729195479>if only so you can see Vladimir Tepes dab on the Tziggers and become one himselfDracula was such gigachad.>be mortal noble guy with sword and bunch of retard pesants bodyguards>vampires on your land>fight them>manage to kidnap 5th gen Tzimisce elder>FORCE HIM TO EMBRACE YOU>diablerize him right after making you 5th gen>jump between sects and realise they are all retarded>became independet>make some englishman write biggest masquerade breach of book in history about yourself for fun>camarilla and sabbat are still seething about you
>>729195762>>729195809Erm... The Duality of Kindred? Saulot spoke about this.
>>729195229Well, technically they have one of the most fleshed-out (heh) antitribu in the form of the old clan, albeit yeah, absolute majority of them use Dominate instead of Vicissitude. With that being said, I think that V5 (dont stone me) does allow for a relatively "good" non-Dracul Tzimisce with the shattering of the Sabbat and large parts of the clan defecting to the Anarchs.
>>729177557>GhouledWeirdly ghouling a complete stranger in a hospital is never brought up as an issue by LaCroix when you outright tell him to arrange for her to go to your new residence. It's weird so I'm not sure if there would have been complaints making Samantha a ghoul to clean up loose ends.>SiringThat would have definitely given him the excuse to put you right where your Sire was.
>>729195557Fair. Best case is to be an actual 13th gen, full fledged vampire. But I do like those lower levels of gameplay where blood dots come few and far between but that first dot feels noticeably extra than a human. I'd be more interested in a game about your disciplines being applied to obstacles and challenges in the World, as opposed to combat. I agree that Bloodlines 2 was definitely the worst possible idea where you're an Eldar who gets punked constantly.
>>729195557>mysoginic and homophobic camarillawtf, I love Camarilla now.
>>729195848that's just ridiculous
>>729195848even bigger Chad i don't give a fuck what white fags say this is is canon >be the immortal all powerful grandfather of all kin and vampires >get bored of ruling everything and randomly leaves >unintendedly causes a huge split and division within vamp society with his children killing each other in major secretive wars >hundreds of years later he's been living different nonkindred mortal lives out of rejecting materialism and power >one of them is an la cab driver
>>729196074Even 10th gen vampire isn't a problem, getting dots in VTM takes years, to switch from humanity to path of elightment you need to be vampires for 20+ years.Getting 5 dots into disipline is decades of learning.Just bloodlines 1 had speed up process where you made 100 years worth of progress in 2 weeks.
>>729194337>Be a powerful Elder Tzimisce, hating tr*mere with utter passion.>See a nerdy, shy sorceress acting cute.You know what, maybe, those elders did deserve to die at the hands of the mages after all.
It would be good to have some more Tzimsce presented who don't go full HR Geiger on themselves but who still practice Vicissitude in subtle but equally dramatic ways. Especially since that'd be so valuable to Vampire societies who want members to dramatically change their appearance and identity or "disappear" due to a less egregious masquerade violation. You could even keep them turning people into furniture just make it a way more subtle method of hiding a body.
>>729194337for me it's brujah girls they may be retarded but at least they're empathetic and loyal
>>729194337Ranking the clans by pussy hair:GangrelTremereMalkavianBrujahVentrueToreadorNosferatu
>>729196879>brujah girls
>>729196879>clan that were in bed with satanists and turned Carthage into a child-sacrificing shithole>empathetic and loyalI hate v*ntrue faggots, but the br*jah deserved what happened during the punic wars
>>729196970
>>729197042they're empathetic and loyal to whoever's in charge of them they're a lot like the minions from despicable me where they've been the grunts of nearly every conflict serving under evil people
>>729196739DraculaMost Tzimisce are Sabbat and everyone in sabbat is edgelord.
>>729196991Male corruption, sad
>>729197223>Most Tzimisce are SabbatNot anymore, grandpa. Embrace V5
>>729196991this but forever on the second panel
>>729196583True but thematically I think being 13th gen helps set a tone of your character being a bottom of the barrel upstart, likely being effectively the end of your bloodline, and being on the general butt end of lots of Gehenna angst.What I would really want more than a Bloodlines game is a Disco Elysium style CRPG where your disciplines and Clan heavily affect your characters thinking and narration to provide distinct dialogue options and solutions.
>>729194337
>>729197223Dracula was the archetype of a more sensible Tzimsce but in V20 that was a pretty rare standard among the clan, and lorewise he explicitly avoided creating any progeny, but I suppose you could always ignore that and just make a Tzimsce descended from Dracula or part of the clan loyal to or inspired by his example.
>>729197301I'm sorry anon I won't join Rudie's army no matter how many black gay thing bloods he sends to me.For V5 rules I self identify as fascist and game tells me that I can't play it, it's against the rules.
>>729197551Ironically a very Brujah attitude despite what White Wolf keeps wanting Brujah to be (Gay)
>>729197534>but I suppose you could always ignore thatAnon VTM was always "GM can do whatever he wants" setting, this is why stuff like golconda was never described and was up to GM. You could even make quest to turn your players human again. If you wanted to play as camarilla tzimisce you could do it they are rare but mentioned, also there is large group of non political tzimisce.
Holy fuck this game sucks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifaoKZfQpdA
>>729176979lmao you weren't even alive back then
>>729198360he's a retarded thirdy brown he doesn't understand anything
>>729198325Prague was so cool in this game
https://files.catbox.moe/4c85tw.mp4
>>729198098Yeah, I know, you could play a Ventrue Anarch or a Brujah who rebels by going full trad. But I mean, lore wise, for the sake of the writing, it would be good for the Tzimsce as a Clan to have more of a dynamic going between a "Vampire Plastic Surgeons" and "David Cronenburg Fan Club" as opposed to 99.9% of the clan being just the latter.Because even among the Sabbat the Lasombra are pretty good at hiding in society and pulling strings, but with Tzimsce they just say "Yeah there are straight up feudal vampire lords ruling parts of old Wallachia. SHH it's a secret thought.". Like obviously the setting in general works better when it's set in a pre-2000s time period but even then Tzimsce are a little silly just how balls out they are with their vampirism.
>>729198594trash
>>729195848Vlad is perhaps one of the biggest chads in the setting yes.>>729197301>Embrace V5The Calling as a result of Gehenna and it's consequences have been a disaster for the Kindred race. There are no such things as Antidiluvians, they are fairy tales sires tell their childer to get them to behave and follow the Masquerade. The Sabbat is still well and strong and I reject and resent all implications as to the opposite.>Most of the Tzimisce are not in the Sabbat#notmyTzimisce.Caine and Abel not Lilith and Lucifer
>>729175689When I was selecting the characters in the menu and saw the 2000s ghetto wigger I knew in that moment. Yeah that's who I wanna be, him.
>that one hunter story where an innocent creed hunter had a vampire gf but they got jumped by another hunter >she instakills him and then rips her bf's legs off thinking he sold her out but doesnt kill himthink very hard about obtaining a vampire gf
>>729198627The problem is that, and partially because Vicissitude is so open ended, like Lasombra they were originally built to be an antagonist only faction as boss enemies and weird dynamics to navigate. Definitely not intended to be playable, so most of the early lore was written that way. Yeah it would be nice if they were more fleshed out but consider the Chud Aristocrat Flesh Warpers are probably already on nu-Wolf's shit list, given that they're probably the most Nazi coded clan, with the way the Get got butchered by W5. We should be happy Tzimisce haven't been turned into a caricature for Kindred supremacy.
>>729198841>Dating a known paranoid schizophrenic (all Vampires)>Not immediately jumping to damage control and placation when something goes wrongThat was on the Hunter. He should have begged for a sippy to heal his leg
these threads get so lame and gay when it turns to not!wodg
>>729198986its fags pretending to like the shitmissy clan
>>729198841what clan vamp gf would be the best for the long run
>>729198986>/v/ goes moderately off topic about a game with a lot of established lore and supplemental material that help your enjoyment of the productIs that really such a surprise though? Bloodlines discourse kind of got beaten to death without talking about the failings of Bloodlines 2 or like "wow, I really want to fuck the Malk girl"
>>729199190Not a clan anymore but Salubri, non sabbat ones, they are generally nice and have healing powers, third eye might be a turnoff but at least she's nice.Sabbat ones are warrior class who instead of healing have dealing pain and are part of sabbat still salty about Tremere eating Sauloth.
>>729199190>pisha will never plunder your fleshwhy live
>>729199319>wow, I really want to fuck the Malk girl
>>729199190The ones who would provide the demeanor for a reliably steady romantic relationship are also the ones who are probably going to get you killed in other ways.Ventrue might be stable enough but you're going to get caught up in some Cammie intrigue at some point. Convert to Vampire Islam and a Banu Haqim chick would probably be pretty good. Though you might get roped up into some sketchy international Terrorist shenanigans. There is obviously Salubri but the two of your are probably going to get killed by the rest of Vampire society at some point.For the love of God, Do NOT pick Lasombra.
>>729199543I can fix her, so its Lasombra for me.(I can't actually fix her and die horribly)
>>729199453what about brujah bitches
>>729199537Would (x100)
>>729199537would and then run away as far as possible when I postnut
>>729199190Brujah girls would be overly fiesty, starting fights over nothing. Tremere are the autistic clan, so you'd have this overly clingy autist girl that doesn't shave and skips baths. Toreador are shallow artsy, so it would be like dating reddit. Ventrue would be kind of snooty, but might be the best, like dating Rory Gilmore.
>>729199734Brujah are probably the most common culprit for "Oops, accidentally killed my human friend" >Enjoy conflict over minor shit>Superhuman strength that gets harder to control>Tendency for frequent Beast spergouts whenever they get thirsty.
>>729199543>For the love of God, Do NOT pick Lasombra.
>>729199678Most chicks look at a guy and might think "I think I can fix him". Lasombra chicks look at you and think "I know I can break him."
>>729199974so your saying id be raped a lot by her sign me up
>>729200079fuck meant >>729199942
I need Nadja from What We Do In the Shadows to beat me to death, which clan is she in?
>>729199859>overly clingy autist girl that doesn't shave and skips bathsI accept
>>729200180>Nightclub owner>Female>SlutToreador.
>>729199974>Kurwa
>>729175305Let see what ToreChads did>Arikel is the favorite and the oldest of Caine>Her brother and sister Antediluvians SEETHE with jealousy because of her beauty and power>Clan "curse" is boon to make her Kindred feel alive>inspiration for the Path of Humanity>Arikel is still up and running without causing too much havoc; might be in Greece>While the goddess of vanity, she's the most humane vampire in existence.>Toreadors are the leaders of culture>so hedonistic, they can topple empires like Rome and Carthage>Ventures and Brujah still SEETHE at Toreadors because they believe Toreadors caused their pet empires to fall which they did lol >Started the Renaissance>started many trends really>can manipulate kine with just words or just a bit of Presence>sex appeal so strong even the most cold Tremere fall for them>Malkavian lovers flock to them>Gangrel and Nosferatu pine for them>Venture prize them>Tzimisce praise them>Asamites are befuddled by them>guardians of Elysiums>throw the grandest parties where if you're not invited, you're basically a nobody>hide behind the facade of being airheads while manipulating you and others>leave oldfags in the dust by getting with the times>best girls are from the Clan of the RoseWhen did you noticed Toreadors are the most powerful Clan?Also, they might have caused the Holocaust and other genocides to get inspiration from the suffering of Jews and other minorities.
>>729175305
I always make fun of the thinblood with the speech problem down at the pier lol>Th-th-thanks, Porky.>Puh-puh-puh-pathetic.>That's all, folks.
>>729200965Archetypical Malkavian
>>729201139I feel really bad for them they're a couple of misfits in a society where everyone else is also a misfit freak
I am no longer here.
>>729201256
>>729201256you're right there faggot
Mage game could never happen unless without major revisions. I guess you can put a "cap" on how much magic you can use with a gauge showing the level of paradox before you get bitch slapped by reality.
>>729180630Gangrel would have been better conceptually if their shapeshifting was flavored slightly more towards pseudo-demonic creepy shit, like the bat monster form they get in vanilla Bloodlines. They are supposed to represent a premodern attitude towards nature which sees the natural world as inherently tainted by evil and hostile towards humans, an attitude that sees an untamed wilderness as a hiding place for the Devil and his minions. That is what Gangrel designs should lean into instead of generic furrshit.
>>729201332Just style it more after a detective/point click game like Disco Elysium than as an actual ARPG so that you have predefined magics to be using. Mage can be done, but only if you're a based autist like me.
Is there a reason why they chose a Camarilla-ruled city instead of a Sabbat-ruled one for VTMB? What would a game set in a Sabbat city be like?
>>729201825its not a camarilla ruled city you boot its ANARCH FREE STATE
>>729201547While I could see that working extremely well for Vampire, Mage just seems to be so based on item improvisation and progressively more convoluted setups to justify more and more dramatic magic without triggering a Paradox. It's one of those games that relies so much on the free form nature of table top and it would struggle being quantified into a videogame.
>>729201825Detroit, Paris, London, Sections of New York City any city that's absolutely chaotic would fit
>>729201873not anymore, kuei jin took it from them and camarilla saved the day
>>729201825>Sabbat cityImagine the most unstable South American city but double it and make it so that disappearances get turned into Sabbat shovelheads who either immediately get sent out to kill cammies or have to kill each other to earn the right to exist.>LANot a Camarilla city actually, despite a Cam prince and a very insistent Camarilla. The Anarchs, especially Nines and Isaac, hold a lot more power.
>>729201963im gonna shove my foot so far up your ass your breath will smell shoe polish
>>729185774It's not the end of the world if you do go high humanity as a Gangrel. What makes low humanity Gangrel so powerful is you can make a combat build (Unarmed, Defense, and Bash Soak) that's great on its own (Protean allows unarmed attacks to deal aggravated damage), and Frenzying lets you go BEYOND what's normal since the actual cap on skills is 20, not 10. Frenzying with Fortitude 5 as a Gangrel means a potential of Unarmed 15, Defense 15+1 (16), and Bash Soak 13+1 (14). Long-lost FRAPS videos show a Frenzying Gangrel able to eviscerate the werewolf at Griffith Park.As >>729184816 points out, it is the easiest class to play because of the Frenzy "fail safe" built into it. It's one of the reasons why getting Gangrel in the character creation wizard is so common, because it's possible to do basically anything with Gangrel and not fuck up.
>>729201891>More and more dramatic magicThis might take years for your average Mage, there's no need to force the envelope like that when early game Magic is good enough and interesting. Mage Revised gives you a very nice template for what to do on lower sphere levels and Arete. Also Paradox can be coded to be a non-quintessence price for magic that can be reduced through preparation (ritual) and keeping humans unobservant. This can be done in a game with a sensitive time context. Though, my autistic vision of what makes Mage Mage might not be the same as someone else's.
>>729201825In Bloodlines it's a conventionally Anarch Free State into which the Camarilla has just recently tried to step into. Depending on the particular one Sabbat cities aren't that bad because they ascribe to a "Don't shit where you eat" mentality. It makes sense because Maintaining the rules of the Masquerade and maintaining humanity is generally a pretty big aspect of the table top more so than Blood super powers and fighting.The Sabbat creates waves of shovelheads to terrorize Camarilla cities in the United States but back in Sabbat strongholds like Milan the Elders are typically pretty strict about the pecking order and who gets to do what. The irony is that although the Sabbat make a big show about not being afraid to hide their Vampirism, it only really looks like that when you're an Outsider being attacked by them.
>>729175835>click webm, look away for a moment>look back>eerie looking person trying to talk There's somehing to the character graphics that they did so well with that even most modern characters with a dozen layers of textures and effects don't capture.
>>729201952>>729201994>>729202135So would a VTMB game set in a Sabbat city be like Pathologic with vampires
>>729197128Why are her tits pointing down?
>>729202519gravity
>>729202496Probably would end up like that, even a similar brand of alien(slavic) autism
>>729193643The problem with reusing her character in a new game is that she is an absolutely laser-accurate depiction of a very specific type of younger millennial or possibly elder zoomer in the covid era, and it would be hard to do her justice in a different context. On the other hand, Vampires are supposed to struggle with being mentally and emotionally frozen in the era they were turned, so it could be kino if done right.
>>729202496I don't know, that's a pretty specific circumstantial reference. If you were a Malkavian it could probably feel like that.
>>729194932>mostly relying on dialogue, intrigue, and favors to progress through the story, and combat was extremely limited to pretty grounded alley fights with a few humans and ghouls and maybe a few high gen vampires, I'd be perfectly happy with thati wouldn't, that just sounds like a shittier version of 1.
>>729202756It sounds like a shittier version of 1 because 1 allows you to (mostly) gimp your character's combat abilities to be a smooth talker or an instigator. What the person you're replying to is doing is removing several aspects of Bloodlines entirely to focus solely on a single kind of play style instead of improving everything VTMB already had.
>we have games in NYC, LA, Seattle>absolutely nothing for Chicago, THE vtm city
>>729202756How do you figure? Combat was the worst part of 1 precisely because it was so floaty and goofy. All the good parts were the Character writing and set piece exploration. Fighting the random mooks is a pretty boring. Fighting the weird magical shit in the game is typically actively unfun. So quick paced, brutal, relatively down to earth and realistic combat that highlights your vampiric strengths would be way better. I want it to actually feel like I'm cracking someone's skull with a tire iron.
>>729202942we need a vtmb proper game set there not a cyberpunk 2077 or bloodlines 2 an ACTUAL RPG
>>729201460Pretty based take and agreed, but unfortunately the VTM brand survives today from its audience of millennial goths and deviantart faggots, so this sort of historical allegory is lost on them
>>729203054The floaty combat is a consequence of the half-baked Source engine Troika was handed. What you want can exist in a hypothetical sequel that has its own Hallowbrook Hotel mission. It's not mutually exclusive with great conversations that have unique dialogue trees.
>>729203204if they had the right guy they could made it new and interesting to appeal to zoomers
>>729203373That's me. I'm that guy. But they won't hire me because I'm just too good at what I do. No business wants to fire its minorities and women since we, as a society, need do-nothing jobs to keep them off the streets...
>>729203192Like a fallout esque crpg? Honestly I always thought the shadow run games, had they been better written with higher budget, would have been pretty kino for wod.
CRPG VtM. It quite literally built for it.
>>729203258Hallowbrook Hotel is pretty much an on rails haunted house. It has nothing to do with the parts of the game I'm praising. I'm not saying no combat. I'm saying there is a version of presentation and style to the combat that would do a much better job immersing the player, highlighting what makes Vampires more than human in a fight. If you had to fight big scary supernatural stuff there are better ways to do it than a boss fight. Surviving the Werewolves at the observatory by using the environment and your abilities to avoid/kill them was great. Fighting the manshark in little chinatown was goofy nonsense. There is a certain charm to blowing up a skyscraper, after doing a Matrix shootout with SWAT teams one week after becoming a vampire, but it's not the strongest part of the game, or what a hypothetical sequel should focus on.
i will learn godot, unity or something and make the dream vtm game guys don't worry
>>729203762See you in thirty years, Anon!
>>729203436it's easy take over the us government and remove big trust companies like blackrock in another american revolution overthrow trump and every 1% money jew in the white house in a coop while removing mossad in evey corner
>>729175305Scoliosis
>>729203793come on, if people can make games for vampire jams, i can make one in months too
>>729203598The standard RPG experience is starting out weak and becoming strong. In the first game you start out running away from shovelheads and being spooked by a ghost in a haunted hotel, and end the game slaughtering the Sabbat, an entire temple of chinky ghost people, and committing what's probably the largest terrorist attack in LA's history single-handedly.It's probably a limitation of communicating over 4chan, but I'm not sure what it is you want since VTMB did the ramp-up properly and thematically accurate. Even throwing in the werewolf fight is on-point because at that point in the game you're going to feel too big for your britches and Troika pulled a "remember, you are only a vampire".
Is Swansong any good? I have it on Steam so I either got it via Humble Bundle or bought it on a massive discount while drunk and don't remember grabbing it in either case. All three of my hard drives are already full with backlogs so I'm asking if it's worth installing rather than if it's worth buying if that makes a difference.
*sprays you with bear spray laced with silver, antimagic, and holy water*Innocent Toreador women need to have protection on all times! There are a much of rapist hunters, Chud Garou, and incel Mages prowling around.
>>729204054It's adequate. Either it clicks or it doesn't. Unless you have dial-up internet it'll be worth running through it once to see which camp you fall into.
>>729204054Its more of a VtM experience than a video game experience
We need more scenes of botched rolls in /v/idya desune.
I just want to say that the Marquis guy from John Wick 3 would've made an excellent Prince Lacroix. Hell the whole set design of the movie gave me a very vtmb feel.
>>729204272failing to use dominate against therese and getting dominated by lacroix really made me think
>>729204534I really need to rich pretty boy max
>>729203897Lorewise and gameplay wise it was nonsensical and that's frequently commented on. For your assumed generation your abilities and rate of growth are absurd. For an RPG as short as bloodlines, your rate of growth in regards to your literal strength could be fairly limited and it really wouldn't hurt your sense of progress so long as you had lots of flexibility in regards to environmental interaction and story influence.The Werewolf scene doesn't work because the games pacing is good. It works because it takes a "Fight" removes the godawful combat, and instead makes it so you have to make use of your abilities and environment in a capacity beyond just karate kicking goons. It could be placed pretty much anywhere in the game after you've done something mildly important, and it would still be a good scene, mechanically and thematically, precisely because it drops Bloodline's over the top combat to do it.
I like the combat in VTMB 1.
>>729204712>Lorewise and gameplay wise it was nonsensical and that's frequently commented on.By whom?>For your assumed generation your abilities and rate of growth are absurd.Correct, that's why Andrei loses his mind when you meet him the second time at the bottom of the hotel. He openly comments on how he could smell your blood through the slaughter, and how your potential is wasted assisting the Camarilla regardless of whether you're actually a Cammy or playing them for the Anarchs.>For an RPG as short as bloodlines, your rate of growth in regards to your literal strength could be fairly limited and it really wouldn't hurt your sense of progress so long as you had lots of flexibility in regards to environmental interaction and story influence.Why is it more reasonable for you to believe a fledgling could have maxed dots in Appearance and Subterfuge but not Strength and Unarmed?
>>729203476I'll take a FPS RPG like New Vegas with story branches like Baldur's Gate, combat like 2077 but more realistic/gory, and character customization like full on sliders like saints row. Make every female a hot goth girl in different clans while having the 2000s goth soul aesthetic to it. Also have it in Chiraq or a Sabbat city
>>729204765I think the Chink temple was the worst level ever created in any video game ever and sincerely wish harm upon the designer of it.
>>729204906hello, me>>729204958thats only because of the hidden decapitation traps tho
>>729204958Name 3 things wrong with it
>>729205027I don't like looking at Asian peopleGay traps (another reason I don't like looking at Asian people)Eight times as many enemies as necessary, even as a Tremerechad who could clear a room with blood boil it still took fucking forever
what's your verdict on VTMB2?
>>729205730Didn't even know it was out Probably not going to play it
>>729205730It is a pristine example of why graphicsfags deserve the rope.
>>729204887You just answered your first question with the observation of your second. Even characters in game think your abilities are bullshit for how new you are. As to your second, that's how VTM, the actual table top game functions. You start the game with relatively high dots in Attributes/ Skills you specialize in and advance only slowly to really high feats of ability, typically over dozens of hours of table top and years of in game time. If you wanted to play a meaty, physical person who solves problem with their fists, you would build that character at game start and he would mostly still resemble that core character for quite a while.Nothing I said disqualifies having a fledgeling with high Strength whose good at fighting the only thing I 've said is that I want more grounded combat. A fledgeling who starts at 3 strength and buffs himself to 5 dots, is still just peak athletic human in regards to strength. It's abilities like Blood Buff and the use of Potency that makes him start throwing cars at people
Fuck y'all. Gimme another game in California.
>>729206258>Create a game set in the sleaziest, most dangerous parts of late 1900s Cali>Everything feels significantly nicer than the California of todayKind of ruins the vibe a bit.
>>729206258no cold war berlin
>>729205946That works on the tabletop because you're going to be with other players and each other's strengths complement each other's weaknesses. In a single-player game, that idea is significantly less feasible. The werewolf fight works because it's a small space and it doesn't require multiple people to pull off the stunt. However, if we're going to be technical about it, only a fledgling with high enough dots contributing to investigation would have noticed the power box; a smooth-talking Toreador, an intelligent Ventrue, or an angry Brujah wouldn't have. Running around in circles for four minutes isn't good game play. It's playing tag.Having a character in a single-player game that can do one thing very well and a bit of everything else is ideal. That's why Blood Buff exists as it does instead of the original, separate disciplines that separately boosted Strength, Dexterity, and Stamina. It allows non-combat players to at least use the fire axe without penalties, and non-stealth characters to use certain doors. It's also why the character creation wizard has the player's dots spread across several attributes and abilities, rather than pouring them all into very specific feats.If you can convince a developer to create a multiplayer VTM game, or one that has a party system, then your vision would be best. But, a single-player single-character game doesn't want that. It would be like playing a healer in an aRPG where you only control a single character.
>>729206395>>729206258Just set it in modern California and watch the seethe
>>729206606no bait nigger we'll just be tired and more pessimistic like how 2 came out
>>729206638Fine then. What about gold rush era Cali? Loosely base the setting around the Rage in the West setting from Werewolf since I believe it never got an adaptation to Vampire? Sort of like Vampire Red Dead. Even dead men need money, etc.
>>729206718One problem of going back in time that far is that Kindred were stronger than modern nights.
>>729182973They're too prideful for their own good, there's a reason only (You) can bring about any change
>>729206778Nothing wrong with an Ancillae game considering you'd be facing a lot more opposition then from men of faith, werewolves, a growing Pentex, Mages before the Technocracy started pushing the envelope at lightning speed, probably a lot of Risen bullshit because of many dead men with regrets in a more romanticized version of the Western Frontier. Dark Ages manages to do it just fine. A Kindred's biggest opp will forever be other Kindred.
>>729206825Talking mad smack for someone in frenzy distance.
>>729206516The caveat I'm trying to emphasize here that I think you're missing is that my ideal game would be much more fleshed out in regards to particularly solutions on any given puzzle in the game. It wouldn't be like Bloodlines where eventually your only choice is to fight. So for the Werewolf scene for example, As you said a Toreador might have the advantage of Auspex showing them the hint, my ideal would be that other character builds, with their disciplines and skill sets, would have other avenues provided for killing, avoiding, enduring, distracting, the werewolf. In an RPG this short, preferably with really well thought out avenues of how your specific character can progress using their toolkit, distinct specialized character and a focus on replaying the game is acceptable. Blood Buff as it is in Bloodlines is one of the worst implemented mechanics of the game because it lets you essentially ignore what should be a limitation for certain builds, when what it's supposed to do is give you an additional boost to what your character specializes in. If you wanted a stretched CRPG crossing 100s of hours of gameplay, yes use a party based system. But if it' only a 20 hour game, focused as much on story telling and character creation with only circumstantial combat, a front loaded character creation would have been perfectly fine.
>>729206606>Can't play a Ventrue because the streets are just filled with Homeless and not a single person with a networth higher than the cost of a shot of Fentanyl steps out of their car *Sob*
>>729207062Mutt, I'm gonna call it a chaos monitor on you and don't even think about running the gauntlet, I took care of it.
>>729207184This works a lot better in a game that's short and doesn't really have combat though, something like DE or probably someone's very autistic interpretation of Planescape (Planescape combat isn't real) and Arcanum (Arcanum combat is extra not real).
>>729207184You’re right, I wasn’t getting what you were saying because I didn’t understand you were aiming for a 20-hour game. Now that I do understand I also agree with you.
>>729207279Ventrue would probably only hunt in Silicone Valley workplaces or something like that, maybe the suburbs.
>>729207358>Hide in a dark alley outside a tech start up>"Hey man, you wanna buy some cheap RAM?">End up exsanguinating some dude with a net worth higher than all of Vermont.
>>729198841>Dating a vampireNah man.
>>729207062Here comes the drone strike (sponsored by the Syndicate - Pentex collaboration)
>>729207521>Ventrue lad stalking his way into a cryptobro congregation>A wallet worth relatively more than the Count of Monte Cristo was lost that day.
>>729207863>>729207521i'm pretty sure ventrue can't vamp jeets
>>729207949Jeets in America are rare enough to be fair game, unless some arbitrary force decides jeets in that specific area. Rich jeets or crypto guys in a tech startup who are white should be fair game I think?
>>729208093modern day california would have silicon valley ventrue indians checking the caste of their indian victims
>>729177871bro the game isn't that hard. The end game guards drop tons of ammo. Turn on fortitude, drain them of their blood while facing away from the other swat guys and just unload on the bat. I had like 2 dots in guns, from Nines and a book I think.
>>729207680Your drone strike is no match for me, Wyrm slaves. Even with silver, I'd win. Probably
>>729208132This is a great idea, jeet sickness demands I don't entertain it though. Would Ventrue (pre V5) ever even embrace Indians? Indian CEOs haven't exactly proven the most competent.
>>729208442Pre-V5 VTM didn't really give a shit about anything going on outside of Europe/America and the opinions/nature of "Foreign" clans like the Ravnos and Assamites was entirely shaped by standard stereotype. Hence the Ravnos are all filthy thieving Roma gypsies and the Assamites are Muslim terrorists and everyone hates them both.Nowadays, in V5 one of the largest Indian Clans is the Durvana, who are a Ventrue branch who need to do a little autism prayer before they drink blood.
>>729208809>Indian VentruesSaar do not taint your blood saar.
>>729195229You can write a story about a captured Tzimisce. Maybe there was a war and a stronghold got invaded. Your sire was slain before you even got that deep into the Sabbat or clan culture. Write it like your character is sent in as a mole to destroy the local church from the inside. You can even limit the scope of Vicissitude since no one ever taught it to you, so you only ever learn a few ways to use it.If you're worried about the writers, maybe they can just rip off "The Departed" and call it a day. GTA Vice City did it, why not paradox?
I'm seeing few toreaCHADS in here, of course because you're all virgins
>>729209049I'll blood you taint you fucker benchod
>>729209475I was... distracted.
>>729209475
>>729209546same
>>729208442>>729208809>>729209049>>729209506
>>729209506>>729209864Fucking kek, I just broke into a full laugh in the middle of the night.
>>729209354Not a bad idea, not a bad idea at all.>Why not ParadoxMust include a lot of the Gay.
>>729205008how can you be me when I am you?
>>729209475Toreadors are for Garou chuds.
>>729209864Ravnos bros...
>>729175305>There's three of usI am native speaker and lowkenuinely cannot belive it took me that long to get this one>its been over 20 years
>>729210729He's just saying there's three of them against just you, how do you not get this?
>>729209864someone should make an edit of a ventrue biting a homeless guy while in the hospital instead of frank, werewolf, and mummy. It's nossie, gangrel, and fem fishmalk it's
>>729210729whatthat his name is nines?
>>729211174Is this a Malk post?
>>729210972Anon, whats the company name? How many games they'd made? The retrospect matters.Also they probably did mean it, in less sad way, just check graveyards in Sacred to see sorts of whacky-punny shit devs get up to.
>>729175305In my headcanon the gangrel in vtmb is a white Jamaican not a nu metal wigger
>>729199859If only I could be a cub to a vampire milf cougar
>>729180249>environmentalist>anti nuclear energy>knowing about cause and effect is importantThis reads like a shitpost.
>>729211289Perhaps, maybe I am the retard
>>729211289>Anon, whats the company name?could be though i like this anon's idea >>729211256 that nine beats three
>>729213732Eh, could be both
>>729211259I was never here
>>729175835I felt genuine panic at this part, like "oh shit what the fuck do I say, am I gonna have to kill her?"Shows what a good job they did getting the player invested, feel its rare that a game makes you consider and actually care about consequences, but maybe I just don't play enough games
>>729175305He can walk on two legs, he just chooses not to.
>>729201460Well in the tabletop they get shit like being able to remove their own hearts and can actually become a lot of different animals or forms. Wolf stuff is just the stereotype.
>>729182973It's not their fault they had to slaughter than family of four, that unrelated man shouldn't have put a plastic bottle in the non-recycle bin.
>>729175305Too much break dance
>>729215716Littering? By Gaia I must drive a semi-truck through the local orphanage or I won't be able coherent at the Moot today.
>>729194503Holy fucking ESL. At least you're trying, but goddamn.
>>729210729Sometimes the curtains are just blue, anon.There is no allegory to be found there.
>>729214493Or it could just not be a shitty joke or pun whatsoever, genius.
>>729195425he's literally a toreodor though
>>729196991
>>729193643Literally every character in those VNs has such beautiful and interesting artwork, I mostly liked all their stories, perfect grunge political intrigue dark humor vibe I want from VtM, why could these people not make Bloodlines 2 instead of the complete dumpster fire we got? What the fuck.
>>729175305He got tricked into separating his good and evil sides to save humanity. He defeated the Lords of Shadow. Whipped Satan himself back to Hell. Saved Humanity and Earth as a whole. Yet, despite his efforts. His evil side stayed in the mortal realm to unleashed untold horrors upon the world, the likes of which that were unimaginable with the original 3 Lords of Shadow, for over a millennia. Cursing his descendants to ritualistically kill their ancestor over and over again to temporarily end the horror their ancestor unleashed. The Will of God is incomprehensible. We only get to see glimpses of the backside of the Grand Tapestry. Yet, for reasons beyond our comprehension, Count Dracula. The One True Lord of Shadow. Is allowed to endlessly reincarnate to test the mettle of humanity. Whether through the Will of God or the hands of zealous heretics. Count Dracula endures. And it is the responsibility of all good Christians, not just he Belmonts, to rebuke his aggression.
>>729195848The real Vlad was just as wacky>hostage at the court of the Ottoman sultan, groomed to become puppet king of Wallachia>father was betrayed by Wallachian nobles, brother becomes Sultan's docile lapdog>swear vengeance instead>return to Wallachia>invite Wallachian traitor nobility for dinner>red wedding>impale their anuses on spikes, their wives too>enslave their children and make them build castles >when castles are built and an army assembled, stop sending tribute to sultan>by now, prince Mehmed II (with whom Vlad grew up together) rules the empire>he sends emissaries, Vlad nails their turbans to their heads>impales their anuses>declares war on sultan by raiding across his border>many are impaled, but thousands of Turkish citizens are missing>weird>Sultan comes with invasion force of 200,000 soldiers into Wallachia>Vlad only has 30,000 men >he declares total war, burns his own fields, poisons his own wells>Turks must scavenge for food, but scavenging parties keep getting caught and impaled>constant night raids on Ottoman camps, personally led by Vlad>Vlad knows Turkish and keeps shouting confusing orders to the enemy soldiers>horrible attrition in the Turk army >Ottomans reach Wallachian capital and find the Turks that went missing when Vlad had raided across the border>outside the city wall, 23,844 Turk corpses have their anuses impaled in a literal forest of death >Sultan is so traumatized, he turns around and goes homeVlad the Chad
>>729175305Hello, /vtmb/. Once upon a time in some supposedly demon book i had read a "footnote" story about some grandfather giving his descendants various ears, noses etc then sending them over some wall to percept some world over there and listening to their reports, eventually giving the last one eyes - only for the last one to see the grandfather and to rip himself apart in horror and insanity from the view. Could you please help me to identify which book that is?
>>729219338sounds like a tyrant
>>729204958>china town temple>sabbat hideout>sewers
>>729175305his bat form couldn't fly and the sheriff mogged him until his dying breath
>>729192335Some nozzies can pull the monster boy/girl look
>>729184274How did you do it? I wanted to but I eventually gave up with all the tweaks necessary and just kept replaying it on pc
>>729219338What makes this even crazier is that the Ottoman Empire under Mehmet II was the most powerful state in the world, while Wallachia was a tiny insignificant backwards hillbilly nation
Where are all malkchans?
>trying to romance toreador They are literally incapable of being loyal
>>729220001>sounds like a tyrantBig time. In his defense, Vlad was resisting the expansionist Turks who levied a blood-tax against his people, forcing thousands of children to be delivered to the Sultan every year, so they could be brainwashed into soldiers and bureaucrats.But he was a bit of an anti-hero, definitely. It would be cool to see his legacy grow beyond the vampire stuff. There was so much intrigue in Vlad's life, that someone skilled could write plays like Shakespeare's Anthony and Cleopatra about Vlad. Vlad hung out at the courts of historical giants like Mehmet II and Matthias Corvinus. He helped St. Stephen of Moldavia reclaim his throne. He was a contemporary of Skanderbeg. He was personally leading cavalry charges and night raids. He also impaled peoples anuses with giant spikes... That's anti-hero material.There is much untapped potential here for action films, horror movies, historical plays, video games etc
I think it's impressive how quickly Bloodlines 2 got memoryholed. Guess that what happens when no one actually had any hope left for it even prior to release.
>tfw no socialite toreador patron slash mentor>>729223292I couldn't play it on my craptop, will give it a shot when the new PC arrives
>>729223513>completely shat the bed with AI art in the third game
>>729223585Shame, I haven't played Reckoning yet either, but from what I've seen, the other MC seems like a much better character than your pic related
>>729208386Now try enlightened science and all the money in the world, RD.
>>729223292All that drama for something that turned out to be mediocre as fuck. I almost wish it was really bad, so at least we could have fun dunking on it.
>>729223292There wasn't even (good) porn of it, right?
>>729225107>There wasn't even (good) porn of it, right?https://x.com/HydraFXX/status/1981372651668201692?s=20Depends on what you consider good, really
>>729224573I would very much NOT beat a walking church (of greed).
>>729226823Average Garou L, enlightened willworkers can't stop winning
>>729220001>>729221752>>729223280When dealing with Muslims running a pseudo-religious opp one must recognize that it is time for tyranny and shock tactics. They only woke if you're winning, otherwise the brutality just inspired anger like the Neo Nazis in Ukraine firing bullets slathered in pig grease. That's just a bit of religious terrorism, but it got very dramatic.
>>729227423At least we are free, the average Wyrm-cuck or Weaver-simp could never.
