Why are chuds so unhappy about AI being used in games? It's the future.
>>729178461this is just fake news, gamers like AI
>>729178461You already know that it's not just ''chuds'' who are unhappy about AI.
>>729178461Chuds worship AI though, not for game quality reasons but they think it will "own the libs".>>729178657Wrong
1900>oh wow a robot companion that fixes humanities problems2025>AI is used to scam people, is making everything more expensive, is doing necromancy, is destroying the environment, is making everyone unemployed and all profit is only going to the rich while they pay minimum wage to third world lowlifes to shill that garbage tech this is truly the worst timeline
>>729178761there are over 10,000 games made with AIhttps://steamdb.info/tag/1368160/gamers objectively love it
>>729178657Only slaves hate ai because now me and u can make AAA games thanks to ai lol.
>>729178884>this is truly the worst timelineWhat do you mean? This is all part of Lord Moloch's plan to turn the world into a massive torture chamber for His amusement. This is what's destined to happen.
Ok explain why anyone should care if a human made a game? It does not necessarily mean it is better. ChatGPT can also put effort into games lol.
>>729178884AI's good outweighs the bad even when it's barely useful.The more useful it gets the more good will outweigh the bad.
>>729178461Why are chuds so unhappy about black gay romance being used in games? It's the future.
>>729178461>>729178657Gamers don't give a shit about AI if it's used well. Incompetence is incompetence, regardless of what tools you use. The media is the ones who are overwhelming negative about AI, since it threatens their power by making single- and double-A developers capable of making AAA experiences. They worked hard to get the AAA companies to fall in line, and now no-one buys AAA anymore
>>729178987>only slaves like the tool that the slavemasters of the world are pouring trillions intoinsane how easy to manipulate you are
>>729180343>The media is the ones who are overwhelming negative about AI,that's an insanely incompetent thing to say, the media is owned by the same people that are investing extremely heavily in AI
>>729178657Indian cope
>>729178461>AI is the future because I say so!sure thing rajesh
>>729178461I just want developer's lives to be harder in any possible way. If using AI makes their lives worse, then let them use AI. But since I know they'll half-ass it and let it do all the work instead, I say ban it so they suffer and do all the work themselves knowing they could have had an easier time. Pettiness is the name of the game.
>>729180450Ai helps us make games.The slavemasters of the world will use it to enslave us, but that is unrelated to video games.Ai is just a tool that is only as bad as he who wields it.Lol.
>>729178926the steam AI classification is retarded. if a rhythm game features songs that use voice synthesis like vocaloid the devs are required to click the AI checkbox
>>729180559Microsoft, Google, Apple, Meta, and Nvidia run video-game news sites?
>>729178461I don't care if a game developer uses generative AI. Fuck concept artists and musicians, I hope they starve to death. Fuck video game "artists"
>>729178461Chuds are fine with it, only troons hate it
>>729178926>there exists slop>people must love it, look its right there
>>729180710I honestly say, if the game you made doesn't involve some suffering during development, its likely going to be shit.
>>729178461Because youtubers told them to.
>>729180750And then they type in "the only AI in this game is voice synthesis in the form of vocaloid" and anyone against gen AI will say "ok cool no gen AI". Why are you so afraid of pro-consumer practices? Do you want to boycott food having ingredient labels too? Or are you just so desperate for AI to invade games that you're terrified of the idea that if people knew what was in the games, they wouldn't buy them?
>>729178926there are other 10,000 foods made with sugar, health nuts objectively love it
>>729180343gamers don't even care if it's used poorly because most games are inherently poorly made even without AIit's only spergs that made this huge distinction between a texture made with a camera and photoshop and AI, these people are insane
>>729180767No but the CIA and Department of Defense do (Operation Mockingbird), and they're the ones funding and running Microsoft, Google, Apple, Facebook, and Nvidia.
>>729180750>if a rhythm game features songs that use voice synthesis like vocaloid the devs are required to click the AI checkboxGood. Fuck weebs and their migu obsession.
>>729178884>necromancyWhat
>>729181031>burger brainyikes
>>729178461I don't give a shit when it's used for something minor like concept art or placeholder assets or when it's done with consent from the people it draws from like in arc raiders. The E33 and larian controversies are total nothingburgers. It's when it's shoved into everything that it gets annoying. I'm certain that if AI was used thoughtfully where it actually fits instead of sloppily replacing human made design processes it wouldn't be nearly as reviled.
>>729181090I for sure thought the jews were responsible
>>729181037Using a camera to create textures is pure human soul. It requires a real living humanoid to go out into the world and see a cool building or tree in actual life, or maybe they took a sweet dump that has a bunch of details that could be used in a game. It's kinda like getting devs to do voice lines or sound effects, its just that little bit more of personality mixed in from the real people involved to make a whole game.
>>729178461>chudsIt’s the troons who screech the loudest about it
>>729181148He’s probably referring to AI being used to scan pictures/videos of dead people and making facetime chat bots out of them as if they were still alive
>>729180750>>729181147what delusion are you people under where you think the checkbox for "does this contain AI" is going to magically cripple every game no matter the context? Some of the top selling games like arc raiders used AI proudly, just not to shit out slop content but for things like text to speech on text chat in real time. people that don't want AI slop will be able to read the "how was AI used" line the devs entered and see for themselves if they care about it, and obviously nobody buying a vocaloid game is going to freak out if the game contains vocaloid audio.
babe wake up it's time for your hourly scripted "i love AI" thread>not now dear i'm busy watching claude try to discard a key item for four hours in the pokemon thread
>>729181319source: your safe space bubble demonizing the people you don't like no matter the context? Any site I've seen has chuds freaking out, trannies love AI because they can pretend to be the other gender easy with it.
>>729181307you can say all kinds of good things about people using AI too, but they become arbitrarily bad in your mind because you have like 10 types of autism lol
>>729181592>trannies love AI because they can pretend to be the other gender easy with it.i know 4chan is a race to see who can be the dumbest the fastest but holy shit dude
>why are people unhappy about corporate faggots that spent years shitting on video games all the sudden want to produce as much AI slop as possible?
>>729181637concession accepted that you can't counter a very basic fact that is extremely easy to verify yourself by looking at places where trans people are. they all use AI images and audio to portray themselves.
>>729178461>Will it make games better?No.>Will it make games cheaper for the customer?No. It's actually made hardware to run the games more expensive too.>Will it make games run better?No.>Less glitchy?No.>Will it make developers focus on gameplay and mechanics more?No, they're just using it to cut corners on the same shit product.The answer is that it's shit and it's actively destroying gaming from multiple angles of attack so that company investors can line their pockets.
>>729181696Claude AI Pokemon threads are an open and living testament to how fucking stupid and useless the technology is and these pseudo-ironic shill threads won't touch the subject with a ten foot pole. It would actually be really funny if it wasn't so obvious.
>>729181712Sounds to me like you should stop buying AAA slop
>>729181468>AI being used to scan pictures/videos of dead people and making facetime chat bots out of them
>>729181608Where did i say its bad? I just said its simply more evidence of something feeling made by real humans with all their personalities and flaws. It's like getting mad that someone hand built a piece of furniture over just buying it from Ikea.
>AI don't care>wokie tokendropped
>>729181712This. Windows 11 is even worse dogshit than it was at launch, and has critical bugs constantly, because Microsoft uses AI to do coding now. The AI introduces nonsensical bugs by coding shit in poor ways no human would choose to code it, then it can't bug fix it and neither can humans because the code is so fucked up and has nobody that can explain why it is the way it is.If devs could use AI to optimize games for lower filesizes and better performance, that would be futuristic and cool. Instead they want to use AI to replace game designers and testers, which is a fucking terrible idea.
>>729181965Pisses me off that the one thing no one actually wants to do, programming, is the one thing AI is a complete downie about.
>>729182153LLMs have to be railroaded so hard that it's genuinely easier to just learn and do it yourself than it is to trust the LLM to do anything more complex than an SD card reader and auto-player, there's guys that know better and shouldn't be using it at all like Bringus Studios who are trusting it with shit like network stacks and I pull my hair out every time I think about it
>>729182153it will solve coding eventually but it's difficult
>>729178461>gamers are overwhelmingly negative about gen ai in videgogames, but attitudes vary by gender, age and gaming motivationsRemember that anything before a -but- doesn't count.
>>729178461those pesky white people have standards, don't worry everyone will love ai when they're dead and replaced by indians
>>729182456>eventuallyDoubt it, coding isn't solved so there's no way for it to solve it
>>729182867If it can figure out language and videos and images it can figure out code. There's literally no reason to believe it can't be solved. It's just another language.
>>729178461Maybe, just MAYBE, the journos are negative about AI because they are next on the chopping block?
>>729182971...What, no, programming is problem solving, how could it solve all potential problems when there's not even a way to know what are the problems that could arise.
>>729183163Programming being problem solving is also explicitly why LLMs are notoriously shit at programming, LLMs are also notoriously shit at problem solving because *it can't reason,* it doesn't know what it's doing, it runs similarity checks and runs the next-most likely word in sequence
totally organic thread saar, one you didn't already make 10 times before saar
>>729183163>What, no, programming is problem solving,so are all of those other things... what the fuck are you talking about bro>how could it solve all potential problems when there's not even a way to know what are the problems that could arise.by being intelligent... artificial.... INTELLIGENCE>>729183248AI can reason we just haven't perfectly figure it out yet.
>>729182971spoken like somebody that has no clue what they're talking about. Coding isn't like language and images, "close enough" doesn't cut it. If 1 character is off in a 10,000 text code file, the whole thing can be useless. AI will never actually master code because it's not horseshoes or hand grenades, it's precision work that is highly context dependent.
>>729183314>AI can reason No, it can't. Please learn how an LLM operates. It doesn't and can't reason, it's essentially your phone's auto-correct roleplaying as quantum computing.
>>729183314>>how could it solve all potential problems when there's not even a way to know what are the problems that could arise.>by being intelligent... artificial.... INTELLIGENCEp npno, AI wont solve it
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>>729183314>by being intelligent... artificial.... INTELLIGENCEthis is called semantics. you can't just go "durr they named it INTELLIGENCE so it must be smart". the name is a wish, what it actually does is fill in the blanks and go your google searches for you. It cannot think and cannot actually consider deep context.
>>729183314>AI can reasonHAHAHAHAHA lmao
>>729183163>programming is problem solvingin the way that hitting nails is construction
>>729183327AIs can write, debug, and itest the results of code. If you train all of these models on each other enough, they can solve coding. It's just a matter of how much money you spend on it and boy they're spending a lot on it.AI can write 10,000 lines of code a billion times faster than people too, so at the end of the day it will just be about brute forcing the right kind of model out.This is literally the same reason any generative AI stuff works. >>729183390Yes it can or it would be useless and it isn't. And we're talking about AI not just LLMs.>>729183475>>729183476Say something worth reading next time.Funny how hard I triggered the code trannies here. >YOU CANT REPLACE USYes it can.
>>729183645This entire post is wishful thinking based on your own lack of understanding. You very clearly do not understand what AI actually does.
>>729183645>If you train all of these models on each other enough>incest will solve AI, AGI will be done with incestSuch examples exist already
>>729183645>If you train all of these models on each other enoughok so you're truly retarded and think that training bad models on other bad models will somehow make great models instead of just give them a feedback loop of even worse bad habits.
>>729183645>Say something worth reading next time.why? i just stooped to your level, what else is there to say? like look at this>Yes it can or it would be useless and it isn't.you're literally engaging in circular logic on top of not even knowing how an LLM works, why would anyone take anything you say seriously or engage in a meaningful discussion with you?
>>729183645>If you train all of these models on each other enough>if you put 50 dunces in one room, a genius will be made
>>729183715John Carmack says AI can replace him, why do you think it can't?>>729183743>>729183946Haha these posters are a pure leftytroons, no minds of your own.That's not what I said at all. Models evaluating other models is not training on AI generated images trying to learn what real things are. It's the reason Nvidia and Google have been showing AIs that can play or debug or test video games. Those models can test AI code and work with other models to fix shit as the results of these models inform the engineers on areas it needs to improve.>>729184142It's called science.
>>729184285>John Carmack says AI can replace him, why do you think it can't?John Carmack has money invested in AI, of course he's going to shill it and pretend it is amazing long enough to rugpull the idiots like you>It's the reason Nvidia and Google have been showing AIs that can play or debug or test video games. Oh wow it can play a video game, such a great skill we need a machine to do for us. If AI could actually debug it would be useful, in reality is it far more likely to add bugs any time it touches code.
>>729182456The problem is that it won't. Coding is ever-changing. At best you'll get an AI model that can code acceptably in a very specific UE5 version for example but fails otherwise or even if things get too complex because it's just mechanically piecing together coding. You're going to need to be good at coding too just to wrangle it.You're not just going to be able to tell it to do XYZ and it does XYZ. It's going to do X and then you need to figure out what's wrong with Y and how Z is nothing like what you wanted.
>>729178461AI makes all kinds of people mad and that's why I'm in favor of it
>>729178461I have never seen AI have any practical purpose and every single time it's forced on my, it's worse than useless. It actually gives completely wrong, made-up information and hides real info so you'll accept it's bullshit lies.AI is going to make everything absolutely fucking awful beyond human comprehension.
>>729184491ah yes the mindset of childish impotent rage, a shame your parents didn't love you
>>729184285>It's called science.HAHAHAHHAHAHAH
>>729178461They are really pushing this narrative hard, eh? Anyway, AI is fun, but not worth the cost in power consumption and needs to be regulated. The current propaganda is so CEOs have enough time to take the money and run before the bubble bursts and shareholders are wondering where all the endless profit was.
>>729184660See?
my favourite instance of AI use was when microsoft unleashed some sort of coding AI agent on it's public repositories on githuband some engineer asked it to make some whatever change or functionalityand AI made a PR for itand the engineer said "your code doesn't pass the tests"and the AI made another commit to the PR where it deleted the tests it didn't passand then reported thaat the problem has been solvedand i love it
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>>729184285>Those models can test AI code>AI using AI generated content as input>this is somehow not incest and will workI trust Jhon Carmack (random stranger) with my life as well anon you are not alone
Was E33 a psyop to make tards more accepting of AI slop?>THE BEST GAME EVER USES AI, CHUD! NOW WHAT?E33 fans become pajeets when defending its AI usage.
>>729184421>schizo nonsense>>729184428There's no logic behind what you're saying. It can already code and it's going to get better because it's not perfect yet.
>>729185058GOTY is given by kikes and industry shills, so probably.
>>729185058The Ai texture used in e33 was replaced on launch it's just engagement bait
>>729185058Love how everyone pretends that's an official statement, like it is the absolute truth.
>>729185154>it's going to get better because it's not perfect yet.just as I, an average swimmer, will fold michael phelps because uuuh I will get better
>>729185872stop projecting your lazy fat ass on AI chads
>>729185562>>729185537They used AI in development.There is no shame in it.Just the truth.
>>729178657Most people, in general, are completely indifferent to AI and just want products that are affordable and of high quality. If AI cuts dev time and cost down and lets smaller devs take on more ambitious projects the way premade assets and game engines did, then great; we get more, better games.
>>729186068>If AI cuts dev time and cost down and lets smaller devs take on more ambitious projects the way premade assets and game engines did, then great; we get more, better games.This is not happening.
>>729186068the problem and argument is that AI doesn't do those things, those are empty promises from snake oil salesmen
>>729178461https://poal.me/z6z4qi
>>729185960this has to be global rule 2>>729186008they should have been a bit more precise about what was AI from the start, it smells
>>729186185they were busy working, they aren't out here 24/7 seething about AI
>>729186068>affordable and of high qualityso nothing to do with AI
>>729178461Literally only see hardcore leftists and liberal people upset about this so I guess theyre chuds now too?
>>729178884Who could have seen it coming?
>>729180750if you have nothing to hide theres no reason it would be an issue. And yes the name VOCALOID signifies its a computer, the actual voicce sounds intentionally robotic thus leaning into it. Holy fuck youre stupid.
>>729183327ai doesn't fuck up shit like a brace at the end of a function. it fucks up logic. i.e. it will compile, but your code will crash and burn. this is what makes it so dangerousthe thing that pisses me off is that the jews at the top keep pushing for (((memory safe languages))) no matter the context or cost. in their eyes, a program that's slower than even a fucking amoeba is acceptable as long as it it's "memory safe"
>>729181148>>729181887It's worse than that.You also have AI generated victims forgiving murderers who apologise.You don't have to worry about looking back in anger at a terrorist. Your copy won't.
>>729178461>modern developers are lazy untalented faggots who spit out woke unoptimized slop>BUT WHY DO YOU HATE GENERATIVE AI!?Because it will enable those developers to be even lazier and dumber and produce even sloppier slop as a result. If you hate your game enough to put generative AI into it, I don't think it's worth playing through.
>>729186431on one hand I hate AI because it's used to replace people so the owners can line their pocketson the other hand, we need technology. otherwise you'd have shit like a tailor charging $8k for a sock and taking 3 days to weave enough cloth
>>729186170Just a poll to see if people actually like AI or not
>>729186657>jeets exist therefore ai > all programmers>ignoring the problem that the ones who give the jobs to those jeets are the same fucking jews pushing AII hate you AI tards so fucking much
>>729186581man made horrors beyond comprehension happening in real time
>>729186581Oh ok.
>>729181785It's a fascinating thing.
>>729186581>forcefully removing people from Samsara by trapping their eternal souls in an AI prison foreverGet me off of this fucking hell marble they call Earth before it's too late
>>729181785>>729186980What's really funny is that you still don't understand how crazy it is that an LLM is playing a video game. There are AIs built for that and they work great but an LLM isn't built for it and it's doing it.
>>729178461>Gamerseveryone hates itit's like they use the word gamer in a similar fassion to nger
>>729187098"Doing it" is an incredibly strong phrasing to describe how Claude handles Pokemon
>>729187174And it's incredibly funny that you're so fucking mentally handicapped that you didn't acknowledge what my post really said lmao.
Mod protected Indian shill thread.
>>729186750>jeets are the same fucking jews pushing AIYep. I believe companies know they can't just replace their entire workforce with ai.So, they'll get rid of the most of their staff and replace them ai jeets because cheap labor.At the end of the day, it will be jeets that use ai that will replace people.
>>729187285>saars isn't it cuhrayzee that a text-prediction model is capable of playing a game that can be mechanically reduced to a text adventure?
>>729187349/ai/ board/ai/ thread/ai/ worldand yer just a renter
>>729187285I'm not dazzled by Claude being able to interact with Pokemon whatsoever, Cleverbot could have done that shit 15 years ago as a much reduced version of the same tech
>>729187519>>729187602>I'm a retardYes we know.
>>729179071Things that require alot of effort and a high degree of mastery and craftmanship intrinsically have a higher value. This also applies to games and media, more so even when it comes to art. I feel like people who are impressed and optimistic with gen AI either have poor understanding of it or are looking for a magic bullet that will make them rich. In reality the mass adoption of gen AI is a disaster on every front and even if you somehow hope to make it it's all gonna become so worthless and shitty that your slop will be just another drop of piss in an ocean of slop>>729186675It's not really comparable, AI socks would be shitty 3D printed socks with a distinctive smell that gives them away that everyone around you can smell, and now you can barely buy actual regular ass socks made in Bangladesh with slave labor. And as a bonus if you need a pair of shoes you are fucked too because all the resources of the textile industry are being pulled into 3D printing weird smelly pants nobody asked for that the fashion industry desperately wants you to buy.
>>729178461i don't actually mind it for independent/solo developers because at some financial point you barely have a choice if you want something ambitious without relying on the stress of patronage (kickstarter, patreon, whatever else). if you have money im not paying for you to stab me in the fucking front. if you or companies don't understand how that is a betrayal of my trust then its not my problem, im just not supporting you
>>729187285>>729187678>have any interaction on 4chan whatsoever>try to outsmart it>fail anyways
>>729187678>no argumentI accept your concession
>>729178461If you use an engine, an IDE, or any existing work like frameworks or libraries, I simply will not buy your game.
>>729187984Unironically kinda based
>>729187740>I feel like people who are impressed and optimistic with gen AI either have poor understanding of itIt's the opposite. You don't like how AI works so you don't pay attention to how people are using it. To argue that someone who doesn't want to make a masterpiece of a game can't use AI is just crazy talk that makes no sense. Placing every leaf on a tree vs generating a tree doesn't change the quality of a game at all, as long as the tree looks like a nice tree.>that will make them rich.I often see luddites talking about money because they're obsessed with it(funny because they're often commies). Most people who like AI like it mostly because it's virtually if not completely free to use and they use it for the fun of it, not to make money necessarily. If anything they want to SPEND money using it or on things people create with it(a lot of people excited for AI movies will buy tickets to the first ones for example).>In reality the mass adoption of gen AI is a disaster on every front and even if you somehow hope to make it it's all gonna become so worthless and shitty that your slop will be just another drop of piss in an ocean of slopThat's true and everyone can see that's a future we're going towards. You think it will ALL be trash though, while any reasonable person knows that there will be gems. I don't like Kojima personally but many people will probably love his future AI game, for example.
>>729178461I have no issue with AI being used if the end product is good. Issue is that for every one good thing you have hundreds of low quality shit made by poo crusted hands flooding the net and clogging up search results
>>729178657If gamers liked AI then companies wouldn't be so opposed to Steam divulging whether games are made with AI, lol. Clearly it's a negative stigma.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uWzjlSUaYg
>>729188045>To argue that someone who doesn't want to make a masterpiece of awho does* sorry, or rather who wants to jej
>>729188143the people whining about AI aren't gamers they're virtue signalers or else they would just play games and not be crying about software used to make them
>>729187751>i don't actually mind it for independent/solo developersIs that really a positive though? Do we really need more indie devs flooding the market with even more games? Furthermore if you can't make anything, don't have an skill at all, you are just the idea guy relying on AI to make code, music and assets for you, are you really qualified to make a full game? Don't you think dropping the bar even further could have negatives that vastly outweight the benefits? Even if you are an indie dev looking for shortcuts don't you think that you will be mogged and outskilled by content farms with optimized worklfows to maximize every aspect of being a professional "indie game dev"?
>all the greatest games were made without generative AI>every single game that prominently features generative AI or LLMs has flopped (to the point that they're not even talked about)>E33 had to scramble to remove a handful of gen AI assets that were left in post-release due to major backlash>somehow we -need- AI and AI is the future of gaming because... it just IS, OKAY! ANY DAY NOW!You will never be a real artistYou will never be a real creatorEverything you make is stolen slop, and everyone can tell that it is slopNo one wants to buy your slop that you made with zero effort - what makes your slop better than another guy's slop?AIjeets should all kill themselves
>>729179071ChatGPT is not capable of putting "effort" into anything, it's a bunch of floating point weights that go brrr and produce statistically regular nonsenseGood games are statistical outliers
>>729188280AI ends up as a part of the final product unlike you insinuate its only a tool
>>729188280lol anon even you don't believe this drivel.I can smell the cope from here.People don't want slop, it's that simple.
>>729184497>hides real info so you'll accept it's bullshit lies.Really? I was recently trying to find technical info on a gamecube game and AI gave me an answer, yet i could barely find definitive proof from actual links.
>>729188657>>729188674you're an irrelevant minority and you aren't gamersinstead of judging whether a game is fun or not you're crying about unnoticeable textures
>>729188185What is fweeposter's endgame?
>>729188757>you're an irrelevant minority and you aren't gamers>if I keep repeating my headcanon it will be trueno im gaymen right now, slop free
>>729188757lolYOU are the minority dumb jeet retard.Most people don't like AI and think it's making shit worse (because it is).
>>729188720>AI gave me an answer...did you verify that the "answer" was correct? And how would you know it was correct if you weren't able to find definitive proof? You are taking what could very well be a hallucination as gospel.
>>729179094In what way has it been more beneficial right now, than all the negatives we have been getting?
>>729186675>on the other hand, we need technology. otherwise you'd have shit like a tailor charging $8k for a sock and taking 3 days to weave enough clothClothes are cheap because of slave labor, not technology(technology would still make it cheap, it just isn't cheaper than slavery)
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>>729178461I find it demoralizing that people are beginning to use AI for concept art and in-game text. Using it for either of those completely shatters artistic integrity. Oh well, there is a lifetime of older games to play.There is another camp of people who just want it to cause the industry to collapse or just make people mad, but that's a destructive attitude I don't agree with. I will just ignore the slop, myself.
>>729178461AI is really getting there but it's quite there yet, things still just a bit off and that little bit is just enough to make things look uncanny and fake, cheapening the experience (slop)However we're not far at all from AI looking as good and even better than most human artists, when that day comes everyone will eventually embrace it
>>729189042For starters it stops scammers, makes things cheaper, is doing fun necromancy, makes fake news climate alarmists mad, has given people jobs, and the cost of cool stuff like art has gone down.
>>729188518i don't care if it is a good idea or if it even ultimately results in a better experience for me, i am thinking that if i were to make my own videogame, i would use ai. i wouldn't try to hide that, but because i am empathetic to the idea itself i refuse to let my own feelings get beyond that. i can't afford artists, and as a failed artist, nothing i have ever made has gotten more engagement than most ai images among the communities i do frequent. people want things that look nice. they simply don't give a fuck past that, with the simple exception of that if you could make real art work for you, then you should. i haven't drawn in 2 years and just generate porn all day, so i don't give a fuck either and i am not trying to sound better than it. even i agree, that what i have spent 10 minutes prompting is better than anything i could have ever made given an infinite amount of time.
>>729189271You have no idea what concept artists do if you think they had integrity in the first place lmao. You also don't like art --- at all.
the amount of >haha ai is fine and good and helps make better games xDDD why do you hate the tool?shitposting is now at astronomical levels. it's just too easy to bait people with because no one can truly believe that those with intelligence actually think it's a net positive
>>729189236>anons measure of success is how well it can deceive peoplehow incredibly jewish, 5000 billion to openAI right now
>>729188045>often see luddites talking about money because they're obsessed with it(funny because they're often commies). Most people who like AI like it mostly because it's virtually if not completely free to use and they use it for the fun of it, not to make money necessarily. If anything they want to SPEND money using it or on things people create with it(a lot of people excited for AI movies will buy tickets to the first ones for example).This is so incredibly bullshit to actual observable reality that I kinda expect you asked an AI to type up a response.
>>729178657Until A.I. is better than humans (which will happen) or the price of games goes down I am not in favor of A.I. being used in this way.
>>729189575No, u.
>>729188045>Placing every leaf on a tree vs generating a tree doesn't change the quality of a game at all, as long as the tree looks like a nice tree.We already had tools to make such tasks faster, procedural generation has been a thing since the 80s and you could buy or use free assets to make your game. Nobody is complaining about a 3D modeler using stable diffusion to generate a concrete wall texture. People are uppity because of the more egregious use cases of AI like that Coca-Cola ad or CoD using Dall-E gens and right now the promise of AI in gamedev is that kind of trash. It is expected that an author will use autocorrect to write his book, it is acceptable that same author uses an LLM to check for grammar mistakes and maybe even rewrite a sentence here and there. Same author becomes a hack if he uses ChatGPT to create the story and characters for him and it becomes unnaceptable when he uses Chat GPT to write entire chapters for him. What you fail to understand is that all this shit is a slippery slop and are hiding behind disingenious arguments, attempting to gaslighting people into accepting your slop. Now you go and follow me on my Xitter AI coom account. Subscribe to my Patreon, since this is what you advocate for. I came up with the characters and ideas, I did a good amount of editing and even generated some clips to go along the sets. Isn't it fair? Eat my slop. Or are you a luddite now when it comes to masturbating?
>>729189595It doesn't "deceive" them, it's just music you sperg. The fact is that you and others are driven purely by bitch made emotions. It's not about what's being made or who is making it, it's about how you feel. You are an irrational retard.
>>729178461Only trannies are chimping out over ai. ChudGods have long given up on videogames
>>729183645>Say something worth reading next time.
>>729189623People who like AI tend to not be afraid of it because they have money and don't care about ram being a couple hundred dollars more. The really pro-AI people spend hundreds of dollars on AI every month. What bubble do you live in?>>729189679>We already had tools to make such tasks faster,EXACTLY! Now we have an even better tool to do such tasks.>People are uppity because of the more egregious use cases of AI like that Coca-Cola ad or CoD using Dall-E gens and right now the promise of AI in gamedev is that kind of trash.The people that give a fuck about shit like that don't care ab out those things specifically, they're just angry about AI in any circumstance(mostly). No one was looking forward to advertisements enough to get upset when they turned out shit.>What you fail to understand is that all this shit is a slippery slop and are hiding behind disingenious arguments, attempting to gaslighting people into accepting your slop.Way to ruin your post by going full schizo and not even attempting to explain your reasoning.
>>729187740They think we are going to have a money-free civilization where we all sit around in our star trek civilization genning worlds in our personal holodeck, and the powers that be are going to push for this perfect world for every human alive and it will be here in two weeks with absolutely no chaos at all between then and now and actually making such a scenario work.
>>729189236Is this gonna be like that "72% of developers think Steam has a monopoly" study where the study was held by somebody with a vested interest in worming their way into the PC market space by force
its stolen art and ip theft . likeness theft and performance theft. its stealing Google search results and claiming you made it
>>729188518>if you can't make anything, don't have an skill at all, you are just the idea guy relying on AI to make code, music and assets for you, are you really qualified to make a full gameTo be fair, that covers most of the popular jap game devs that are household names.
>>729190050this argument lost you the war and cost you court cases against AIonly double digit retards think this makes any sense
>"AI stans", "AI bros"I think these arguments are the biggest waste of time. The reality is we're going to experience the same exact thing that happened with microtransactions.People will say it's terrible, companies will start experimenting with them, some will fail, some will succeed, companies will come to the conclusion to only pay attention to what people do and not to what they say.Precisely why surveys of people claiming to hate AI are completely worthless. Saying this doesnt make me "pro-AI", mind you. Same thing with telling people from the late 2000's that microtransactions are going to be the future doesnt make you a corporate bootlicker, you're just telling them the future.
>>729178884>necromancy when people joked about about fags thinking AI is black magic, we weren't being litteral you know
>>729189015No that's what i meant. It gave me an answer i couldn't find evidence of, so its either made up bs or whatever the guy i was respond to was saying about it hiding answers.
>>729189691>I sell you a house>turns out it was made with chinesium tofu brickswell arent you a bitch for making such a big deal out of it its still a house isnt it
>>729190050I don't care either way if a game uses or doesn't use AI but if a game does so it is morally correct to pirate it. No matter how you spin it gen AI is a violation of copyright laws, if you as a dev/publisher wipe your ass with that fact you have no right to cry about me doing the same.
>>729190147using LLMS to turn dead family members into chatbots is absolutely necromancy
>>729188045>I often see luddites talking about money because they're obsessed with itprojecting against, rajesh. the only reason AI exists is to cut labor and earn a larger share of the pie. not a single richfag gives TWO SHITS about pushing the envelope or pushing humanity forward
>>729190365the worst analogy of all time
>>729188869it's all in how you use it. if you use it to get ideas and approaches to crack a problem, it'll be betterif you use it as a replacement for thinking, which is what the jeets do, you'll end up worse off
>>729190486>AI exists is to cut laborIt exists to help mankind do whatever they want to do.>not a single richfag gives TWO SHITS about pushing the envelope or pushing humanity forwardLiterally every single computer scientist working on AI cares about pushing humanity forward. Every single one.
>>729190131>google takes up my full screen with AI search results>have to scroll down past a page of ads to get to the real search results>the search results google gives have been systematically been getting worse over time because their KPI is "number of google searches">occasionally just click on one of the links the AI provides instead of going through that>"SO YOU SEE, EVEN ANTI-AI USERS ACTUALLY USE THE AI SEARCH RESULTS A _QUARTER_ OF THE TIME!!!!!! AI IS THE FUTUREE!!!!!!!! LOOK AT PEOPLE DO NOT WHAT THEY SAY!!!!!!"
>>729190569>researchers>richfags and investorsand there you go again, mixing two completely different groups of people together
>>729190664You just said "richfag", AI researchers are all rich. They work on AI with or without investment too so your point is totally moot.
>>729189913>pro-AI peopleThere are only 3 types>the enthusiasts (2%)/g/ fags that like to play around with the new cool tech and do it out of love for technology and autism>the grifters (2%)They hop from one tech trend to the next, first it was crypto, then it was NFTs, now it's AI that's gonna make them millionaires >the pajeets (96%) (You)They think current generative AI is magic, they have their minds blown and they also believe that it is their ticket out of abject poverty and streetshitting
>>729190495the worst rebuttal of all timeif youre not going to say anything be quiet pussy bitch
>>729190571No doubt some promotion chasing product manager at google's dick gets hard with all that accidental clicking. I hate those people so much.
>>729180343Normies don't give a fuck, normies probably think it's funny even. People that play video games can easily tell video games are getting sloppier and sloppier
>>729190954>There are onlyYou made it way too easy to disregard your post. You're no authority, you're a seething shitposter.
>>729178461What the fuck is a gaming motivation
>>729190131>to what people doit's not what they do. it's what they're manipulated and/or coerced into doing
>>729190050I hate AI with a passion but I disagree with this argument because that would allow corporations to own the contents of your skull and that's a mistake.
>>729190381>No matter how you spin it gen AI is a violation of copyright lawsWrong. It's been tested in court and AI won. You can copyright AI art too.
>>729178461>must dress as bing bing wahoo to serve faggotass autoaim troons pixel space inviders
>>729186581minerva's den was a cautionary tale
When I use AI to try to ERP, no matter what the bots origin is, they always end up eventually repeating the same tired lines that the other bots have. This is why I don't like AI for creative works.
How do you even recognize if a game has AI coding? The only way is to decompile it and then analyze if the source code looks like it was written by ChatGPT. Even before AI there were shit coders so you can't just tell because it's shit. There's lots of shit human games too lol.
>>729191591>im playing for fun>im playing for escapism>im playing for money>im playing to fit in
>>729193402I'm assuming most AI programmed games will have excessive tech debt, even worse than modern games already have
>>729190561Phew thankfully we know people have always used new technology primarily for wholesome and productive purposes and absolutely never used it to come up with brain rotting shit leading us to Calhoun's rat utopia
Nobody cares when you use AI to code. Consumers have no connection to that.This is always about art, music, writing and other creative jobs that were traditionally done by humans. Coders aren't on the same level as artists or musicians.
>>729178461i don't get it, ai doesn't bring lower prices nor quality products to the consumers so why would anyone who consumes games support ai?
>>729193402because they are greedy. it never stops at the things you can't see. they can ai generate a function that does what they want, why not an image? even though that is actually something we can actually see. and therefore you could probably determine yourself. nobody gives a fuck about ai generated code anyways, they don't see that. even if you are a competent programmer, running your function through an ai could uncover a bug or a huge improvement so why would anyone be faulted for that?
>>729195337You might be onto something, anon.
If it means less jeets, californians and chinese studios ruining games i'm all for it.If not then i'm not.
>>729178761I only do it ironically to make trannies cry.
>>729181592I can see them on my Twitter timeline.
>>729178461The angry is over the price.Games using AI should be cheaper because the devs work less.
>>729190954>if you hate trannies you're a jeet
>>729190569>Literally every single computer scientist working on AI cares about pushing humanity forward. Every single one.How young and naive are you to actually believe this?
>>729197773they're called scientists, that means they're the good guys
>>729195559It will literally be the opposite of that scenario.
I'll only support AI if it results in the death of rich CEOs and politicians. Not a penny is allowed to be made in profits, and must always be used charitably. IE if it makes games cheaper to develop, the companies are NOT allowed to keep the prices high. They will pass every single saving to the customer.If you cannot make this happen, then I will sabotage every single attempt at using AI.
>>729198050AI causes tranny infighting. We should encourage AI adoption and anti AI sentiment. With enough momentum it might destroy a lot of Cali devs.
>>729198486Wouldn't it be easier to just raid the data centers and steal their GPUs?
>>729197773Find me ONE that suggests otherwise. Even the psychos that want surveillance states only want them to subjugate nad discourage bad guys, most notably against violent crime.Do you want armies of killer robots? It's so your fellow countrymen don't have to die against the enemy.Do you want AI to make video games or wash dishes? Oh my god you must hate humanity!!
>>729199223Violent crime is encouraged when it's done by niggers.
>>729198486>I'll only support AI if it results in the death of rich CEOs and politiciansit won'tif anything it will make them richercurrently they're sucking each other off by passing the same money around
>>729199327Most people, including tech CEOs, disagree.
>>729199223>Even the psychos that want surveillance states only want them to subjugate nad discourage bad guys, most notably against violent crime.You are legitimately a moron if you think this.
>>729178461I personally don't care too much if the game is good, but people and companies who use AI are usually doing so because they're extremely mediocre and untalented, and in case of studios, it's because they don't give a single fuck anymore and want a quick cashgrab.If the fucking end product has AI anything in it, as a rule of thumb, it'll be mediocre slop.
>>729199467Nobody does. People think it's a good thing when they chimp out. That's why they don't get punished.
not my problemmade by ai = no buy
>>729186068>If
>>729199584nobody can tell if it's AI or not, and when you notice it will be too late to refund
>>729189236This stems more from the recent corporatization of art. Industry-standards, mass appeal, Marvelization, all of these were the soulless of AI before generative AI became mainstream. You can create with true with AI, just like with any other tool, but as others mentioned here, it's going to make lazy people even lazier and greedy people even greedier. All because it's easier to do.
>>729199535You're a complete schizo if you disagree. Obviously only psychos want that but it's for that reason. That one palantir guy is on record saying he fears a white dude throwing him out of a window the most. That is a violent crime.>>729199576Retard.
>>729178461>make a fuss about how a trailer of some guy being burned at a stake is satanic>worship the literal antichrist in AIWhy is /v/ such a disingenuous board?
>>729199884Okay genius, then explain how AI will magically solve the ills of society, and how a surveillance state will fix this. Keep in mind, you're giving the keys to people who know how to turn off the surveillance, and can give passes to anyone they want. So if a criminal kills someone who was conveniently against the government, the criminal can be given a convenient pass and probation, at worst.
>>729199223>Even the psychos that want surveillance states only want them to subjugate nad discourage bad guys,Yeah, that's totally the only reason corpos and governments would want 24 hour surveillance.
>>729199884People legitimately don't care if niggers are violent. Most interest groups think that most blacks are unfairly in prison. People legitimately arent bothered by people being murdered by them, at least educated people aren't.
>>729200002Ask AI. I don't think you're genuine so I don't want to waste my time going that far off-topic, I'm also not even in favor of those things I was just supporting my earlier factual statement about the people making AI.>>729200094So you don't kill them, yes. That's mainly it.
>>729200002AI can figure out if you will be against the state in the future.
>>729178461They project the hatred of AI art onto all AI use.
>>729200212>So you don't kill them, yes. That's mainly it.Isn't this a bad thing? Corporations and the government are evil, why wouldn't someone want to kill them?
>>729178461I don't really care about what indie developers are currently enraged about since they don't even make the games that i like playing or never tried, they just stuck with safe option easier to develop games for genres. The ship sailed on them proving their worth to me and i can claim that definitively by the end of 2025. They're equally as useless as triple A development teams and their trend chaser development. >t. stealth/ stealth action enthusiastSo i don't care if AI is suddenly making their careers irrelevant. I'm talking about indie developers because they're the ones who have made the biggest loud racket over the issue. I'm not even saying AI will make the video games that i want to play, but they don't either. So i don't care.
>>729200774no one wants to cater to your nasty fetishes
>>729189236that is because modern music suck, ai or not
>>729203021It's because people don't know that AI can make music so they don't attach the autismo negative bias to it and simply enjoy it for what it is. Many will hate it once they recognize it as AI
