>Game requires rapid button mashing/clicking>Forearm starts to hurt>Turn on turbo/activate an autoclicker>"NOOOOO THAT'S CHEATING!!"Explain how not wanting to injure myself playing a fucking videogame is a cheat
>in b4 "disabled people shouldn't play games" eugenics argument
Just throw some aim assist and trigger bot to the mix. Wallhack might be good too so I don't have to strain my eyes
>>729179827It is cheating, just accept it. You cheat to avoid pain
>>729179915Most games already have a form of aim assist for controllers. Is that considered cheating too? Wallhacks is circumventing the actual obstacles of the world itself, which is an ACTUAL cheat.>>729179971Except I'm not playing for a cash prize. I'm playing for fun.
>>729179827>>Forearm starts to hurtdrop the soilent
>>729180352>I'm playing for fun.So? You're still using a cheat.It's like denying that you use a cheat code in a single player game. Who even does that? Stop being gay about it
Bait worked
>>729179827>explain to me how me cheating because i hypothetically might hurt myself isnt cheatingbecause this is /v/ and not your local yoshiva.
>729179915You know those are completely different things.Those automate presses for automatically identified specific conditions, instead of a function you have to activate (manually) for a condition you have to identify yourself (without automation), to perform a repetitive task.
>>729180656This. If you like cheating in SP games then do that but they are designed with friction in mind and if you remove/reduce that, rewards are going to feel less meaningful
Both the need for button mashing and making rapid circles with the analog stick are signs of bad game design.Timed precise inputs is much better game design than spamming inputs.
Mashing has never added anything to a game so who cares
>>729179827technique issue
>>729179827game design issue
>>729179827How often does rapid button mashing even come up nowadays? Is turbo used for other things then?
>you didn't beat the game
>>729180656You haven't even explained why it's a cheat, though? If games make it easier for players with disabilities to play, without taking away the challenge in other aspects, then what exactly makes it cheating? Like QTEs for example. If a game presents you with a pass/fail state that requires button mashing, and you physically cannot pass it, then what, you just can't play the rest of the game now? That's some scam shit.
>>729179827NOBODY said this
As a kid I struggled at the final boss of Sonic Unleased for no other reason that the mashing at the last QTELoad Bearing memory that taught me that mashing adds nothing to a game but a slight sense of physical pain. At least rotating the stick can be "comfortably" done with your palm
>>729179827>"NOOOOO THAT'S CHEATING!!"Said no one ever. You're saving wear and tour on your controller and money in the long run.
This a console thing, isn't it?
>>729181264You're doing something that is physically impossible to do and circumventing the skill check with external assistance.That's a cheat regardless of your own personal circumstances.
>>729181531>Skill checkMashing isn't useful as a skill for any game but ones with bad QTEs
I use to think QTEs were good. Then I ran into pic related. Yakuza 0's JCC minigame.>Want the achievement>Both I and the computer pick Rock>Start mashing to win>Lose anyway>Starts happening a lot despite pressing the button like crazy>Look it up>Find out that YOU CAN LOSE THE QTE REGARDLESS OF HOW FAST YOU ARE BECAUSE OF SOME RANDOM NUMBERS BULLSHITThat was the moment I realized button mashing was never a good game mechanic.
loved my famiclone back in the day.the turbo button allowed mario to fire TWO fireballs. I thought it's normal.
>>729181697i have all achievements in every yakuza game (except judgement, i'm on a cooldown right now)
>>729179827
I'm left-handed and whenever I have to mash I'll move my left-hand over to do it. I'm not really a fan of button mashing and I'm thankful that most games don't require you to do it.
>>729181372>with your palm
>>729179827Explain how you're so weakminded that you give a shit about what other people think about how you participate in your hobby
>>729179827Any games that actually do this? Only one I can think of is Banjo TooieAnd that was for a cheato page, hardly mandatory
>>729182632Many idle games, like cookie clicker.
>>729182632Shooters do this, though more passively.Automatic weapons require holding down the button, while semi-automatic weapons require a certain level of button mashing.
>>729179971I have a job that requires manual dexterity and small muscle movement similar to pressing a button. I'm not going to develop a repetitive stress injury and compromise my career because you got your fee fees hurt about your special little game.
>>729182632Metal Gear RisingBayonettaDevil May CryA lot of character action games really
>>729183570>Devil May Cry3 had some absurd button mashing to get some of the special moves to activate.yes, i know higher ranks make it easier, but keeping a high rank in 3 is incredibly difficult4 and 5 are much, much easier about it
>play god of war>need to press a button>the progress bar fills a little>think I have to mash the button>it's barely filling up and quickly reverting>hammer it a whole minute>mash it like a motherfucker>wtf am I this fucking terrible at video games?>did I set this on hard by accident?>finally clear the part>soon gotta do it again>now realize you actually have to hold the button down not spam itunc crashing fr fr
>>729179827It is absolutely cheating. Only time I turbo is for repeat playthroughs, like Banjo-Tooie I do not want to redo canary mary everyone i replay it, I can do ot, have done it dozens of times successfully, so I cheat. But I know its cheating, and id never do it in a multiplayer setting.
>>729182632https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYtN8XGuYM8
>>729182632Canary Mary gave you a cheato page and a jiggy in both glitter gulch mine and cloud cuckooland. Cheato pages are counted as collectables on the total screen, but even if you just wanted all 90 jiggies you would still have to complete it twice.
>>729179827I hated this in Metal Gear on hard on ps1 and GC. I could never beat the torture chamber to get the maryl ending because my button maching was always too fast and the game thought i was cheating, making me to instant fail.
>>729184282This pales in comparison with Bayonetta's QTE mash sequence with Jeanne on Hard+
>>729179827Based but only if auto click rate is slower than a human tryharding
>>729183352Then don't play games, you dumb nigger.
>>729181861Did anything actually happen if you used a turbo controller? I never had one but was always curious.
>>729185318Eat my ass and balls, I'll play whatever I want however I want faggotron
>>729180352Aim assist is actual cheating, but the devs give it to controllerbabies (or in space games where HOTAS is superior, mousebabies), so no one complains.Fucking turbo buttons are never cheating. Nintendo sold me the NES MAX in 1988 (my mom bought it for me), so I know turbo buttons aren't cheating.
>>729181861that sequence was bullshitbasically any game that has you mash buttons is bullshit, I still remember re5 boulder mash qte that got even more stupid as you went in the higher difficultieswho the fuck thinks this is a good game mechanic
>>729179895>eugenics argumentThat's a bit exaggerated. Disabled people have special controllers, and I'm sorry if it hurts your faggy feelings but not every game is for everyone. I can't play FIFA for shit, so I don't demand the dev to make automatic goal buttons for me. Either git gud like pic related or find another game
>>729185554>"oowwww my fingies hurt!">calls others faggotronskek, lmao even
>>729179827It is cheating, but who cares? Being able to do 40 button presses in 5 seconds without cheating isn't going to get you anything but RSI.
>>729186013Sorry I hurt your fees fees, I know it's super important to you that other people play games the same way you do.
>>729181861when i was a kid i made another save before this and waited until i saw my uncle because he could pass the mashing and i couldn't
>>729180352>Most games already have a form of aim assist for controllers. Is that considered cheating too?Yes. If you want to hit anything, use gyro or a mouse. If you want to get destroyed by people using gyro or mouse, use sticks only. Aim assist brings you to the same competitive level as mouse and gyro without having to put in the effort to actually aim for yourself.
>>729179827The only game I ever did this for was RE4 on PS2. PS2 had a framerate issue where the button presses for the QTEs were extremely punishing on professional mode. Normal mode wasn't too bad, but professional mode required you to do a rapid forearm movement where you basically vibrated your finger at high frequency in order to escape the boulder, or climb up after the mine cart crash, escape Mecha Salazar, and then climb up after Mecha Salazar collapses the bridge. It was more than tiring, you could easily give yourself repetitive stress injury from it, and what's more it was a framerate related bug, it wasn't meant to be that way and no other version of the game is like that. QTEs are tougher on pro in other versions, but not insanely like on PS2. For these reasons I didn't feel bad using a turbo controller to cheat there, because the QTEs are literally broken and shouldn't be that hard.
>>729181515Shut up Will.
>>729185738Re5 boulder mash is childs play even on pro.Try RE4 Ps2 on pro like I explain here:>>729186735
>>729179827What the fuck could have prompted you to make this thread, you lose an argument on Twitter or something?
>>729187273Don't you get it? Xis soilent-powered body hurts and there's a button mash event in xis nonbinary videogame! Xis polycule watched xer hurt xis arm while trying to do basic human motions! Literal rape!
>>729186189A quadriplegic bugman beat Elden Ring. You have no excuse, fag
>>729179827No one ever said it was cheating schizo.
>>729189778And I beat Bayonetta, DMC3, and MGR without turbo buttons. When I replay them I use turbo buttons because I enjoy gaming enough to want to be able to do it into old age. And guess what, you lose NOTHING of value by trivializing the button mashing parts because those aren't testing an actual skill.
>>729181096>Mashing has never added anything to a gamethis guy never played MGS4
>>729179827button mashing is to break controllers to sell more
>>729185532yeah, he just fucking kills Snake and you get a game over. it's not about the rapidity of the button presses, but it notices that they're precisely spaced out in a way a human couldn't do
>>729185904>so I don't demand the dev to make automatic goal buttons for meSo you support eugenics.
I have Keep Swinging, the mod for Darktide that lets you add a button to hold to mash lights instead of giving yourself RSI. I've read around and it seems like nobody gives a shit if you use those mods. You're still going to need to be able to charge heavies and do special attacks.
>watch in some show the jap who had the world record for fastest button mashing>the secret is not to mash the button with the thumb, but to vibrate the whole hand>start doing that>never struggle with button mashing againThank you, glorious nipponese knowledge.
>>729179827I dont think humans can press 20 times a s econd
I use a mouse macro that I recorded of me mashing click as fast as I could for 20 seconds
I agree that games shouldn't promote RSIand fighting games should simplify the number of attack buttons (by removing stupid mechanics) and also have a dash button. double tapping is le bad
>>729181669If you can't do it, but some other people can... why isn't it a skill then? Why do children get filtered by button mashing segments like this?Maybe it IS a skill? And you're deficient and coping fucking hard about it?Devs put it in for a reason. They wanted to test your ability to press a button repeatedly fast or rhythmically or whatever. And you're cheating. Plain simple. You don't get to redefine "skill" just because it's painful for you to accept this.
>>729185904>FIFA kek you're brown
>>729191817There's a reason why it doesn't happen as often even in the action genre. It's a design element that most people have agreed on is more bad than good. It's supposed to make you feel like you're struggling against something but most people hate it.
Warframe had and fixed this problem a long time ago.Certain builds on certain warframes allowed for such high attack speed that you literally could not humanly attack fast enough to maximize your swings per second, so they made it so holding down the melee button continuously uses light attacks constantly and you have to press a different button entirely to heavy attack.There's really no excuse for any other game.
>>729192024Yes. Most people hate struggle and failing things. Devs have stopped using it for a general audience that gets quickly frustrated. Doesn't mean the idea behind it is artistically invalid. They did put it in for a reason. Devs got browbeaten into not doing it anymore by loser fagnugget "gamers" complaining about it. I reject changes due to audience reception as valid in artistic terms because you only need to change if you care about more people enjoying it i.e. selling out.That said I'm glad for less button mashing segments than at its zenith because they were overdone. But I feel we could have more these days.
I'm not about to destroy my hands and controller/keyboard because the dev couldn't come up with a better mechanic.https://www.shmupspeed.com/
>>729192331Button mashing isn't a skill that feels good to develop though. Difficulty that's used effectively gives the player a feeling of satisfaction for overcoming it, that they had to learn something or engage with the game mechanics on a deeper level then they were before. Button mashing does none of that, can cause RSI, and can damage controllers. I for one am glad it's largely been abandoned to the garbage heap of history.
>>729192429sounds like you're trying to play a bad game then
>>729179827It’s cheating but no one’s going to murder you for it. Have fun, anon.
>>729192731yeah galaga and space invaders are pretty shit.
>>729192429Shit is broken on iPhone
>>729191326just use your teeth, it's a lot easier to chatter quickly on a controller than use your fingers. sounds crazy but it works
>>729179827If you can get injured just pushing buttons then you're a waste of oxygen and should kys.
>>729194951>just use your teethPlaying on mouse and keyboard and I don't fancy putting my mouse between my teethThe mod works fine
One of the best changes to Monster Hunter is that after they made Generations Ultiamte, they made is so you can just hold the button carve and gather items. Playing any game before that where you have to spam the button to gather is so noticeably bad that its way less fun to replay
>>729179971I bet you can't survive mgs2 in EEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDvWQfr6jzU
>>729192429I feel like a shitter because I can only get about 70-75
>>729179827I hate buttom mashing mechanics because it’s not good for the controller.
>>729179827thank fuck steam controller mapping lets you build your own turbo buttonfantasy life i broke the A button on my controller from having to mash so much in the crafting minigame
>>729179827>>"NOOOOO THAT'S CHEATING!!"No one said that.
