is this game more like the first half of Undertale or the second half of Undertale?
>>729181086Noelle Holiday
>>729181086First half, so far
>>729181086So far 1st half, because there's no ground-breaking plot twist that shakes the foundations of the game.
Third half
>>729181086What even is the difference between the first and second half of Undertale? The twists?
>>729181086Chapter 1 is a lot like the Ruins. Chapter 2 is a LOT like Hotland and the Core. Chapter 3 is...different. Chapter 4 is a lot like Waterfall.
>>729186457Chapter 3 is Hotland, actually. Tenna mirrors boss Mettaton and his little shows.
>>729181086Which half do you preffer?
>>729181086It's more like the first half of homestuck
>>729186457deltarune is going in reverse order
>>729181086Deltarune hasn't had anything on the level of the lab yet.
>>729167847>Ralsei sending our attention elsewhere to talk with Kris privatelyWait what.That's why the dude keeps telling me to close my eyes and wonder what the fuck susie is doing?Is he also in cahoots with kris and by extension the roaring knight?I always thought it was strange he keeps popping up in whatever dark world we go to.So what is he IRL a keychain or something?
>>729187641Fat or pregnant?
>>729188086he's definitely not in cahoots with the knight, it's more like a wellness check on kris, since ralsei knows of your existence.
>>729188174i always thought it kinda looked like kris's sprite had a beer gut, but both interpretations are valid.
>>729188086Kris and Ralsei are in cahoots. Kris and the Knight are in cahoots. However, Ralsei and the Knight are *not* in cahoots. The ring of conspiracies is quite complicated.
>>729188308Ah the ol' double trucies
>>729188086We don't know why Ralsei changes our PoV, but the only required one is from Chapter 1. You can skip all others.
It's a Mobiüs strip prequel/sequel to UndertaleSans is from Deltarune but also from Undertale, for example
>>729188562Sans is Steven After Not Surviving though?
>>729188562This. It's a sequel for us while a prequel to him.
>>729188562Sans is clearly originally from Deltarune, though. The only one coming from Undertale is the soul.
>>729189007Speak for yourself that shitty ass show just gave me shortstack fetish
>>729189007>cartoon full of hot women was made to make kids gaymaybe you were the faggot all along
susie is for ralseikris is for berdlymy vessel is for a loving throuple with muffet and undyneasriel is for a miserable throuple with dess and charanoelle is for a noose and bottle of expired eggnog
>>729191149Noelle needs to ripen into a christmas cake before she can find love.
>>729191149And Frisk is for *me.
>>729191417Frisk has a harem of monster girls who think he's the baddest motherfucker in the whole multiverse for soloing the god of hyperdeath. You have to do fight all of them to win Frisks affections.
>>729191546Frisk is a cute girl who already follows all my commands so I am pretty sure she's rejecting those dykes.
>>729181086It's the rape half
>>729191780Well you ditched her without even saying goodbye after you broke the barrier so she's giving you the cold shoulder. You're fighting the monster girls, no way around it.
>>729191908That's the stupid dog's fault, not mine. I will fight Toby myself with my IMAGINATION.
Using Asgore as a vessel to rape and kill Kris.
>>729191149Chara only has a good time with FirskWhy is being chara suffering?
>>729192368Being the kind of monster he is, asgore would surely kill himself before allowing half of that to happen
>>729192760Asgore is a minor inconvenience away from killing himself
>>729192760He can kill himself after I make him do that.
>>729192805He lives for others not himself
>>729191834Why did she do it?
>>729193013Her mother told her not to
>>729192667>Dragon Age Inquisition
>>729193013She was a lolicon, that's why.
>>729193056>You're ruining my life mom!!!!!
>>729192667Probably because Chara got literally attached to Frisk so now they're stuck forever.
>>729193494>parents are ESLi'd be crying, too.
>>729189007>deletedjanny be seethin' cuz it's TROO
>>729193116>loliconhey wait a minute...
>>729193531That still could be a bad time but is notChara wouldn't had died and renewed a war with Frisk in her life
>>729193835FemKris... is real!!!
>This is Kris’ worst nightmareWhat’s his fucking problem?
>>729193835>Then kris grew into a hikkikomori failure girlA step beyond Dess!
>>729187153My initial impression of Chapter 3 was that it's what Toby intended Hotland to be if he had the budget to realize his ideas.
>>729194109Lack of self worth does things to a man
>>729193905I guess, although Chara is SOULLESS when with Frisk and without many options, and if (you) guide the humans in the bad path then she's worse than when alive. But I guess she is indeed happy with Frisk post-pacifist.
>>729194268How can you have no self-worth with a hot childhood friend thirsty for your dick?
>>729194140Toby said in a lot of recent interviews that Tenna was heavily inspired by Mettaton and wanted people to see him when they looked at Tenna.
>memegames
I used to think this was Asgore, but it's actually about Kris, isn't it
I think DR does a lot better of a job pacing its adventure than UT but is less replayable.Maybe I’m just saying that because the weird route makes you replay so much without actually changing much
>>729187852next area will parallel the in-between of snowdin and waterfall with the undyne/papyrus dates btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ckpjG5fdko
>>729187852>still trying to look for patterns and cluesLMAO
>>729194579Chara gets edgy at the end of geno, but not only chara, frisk gets like that tooSo i want to imagine they get along even in that route
>>729194972Reverse Undertale theory is the most correct theory so far and everything we know of Chapter 5 seems to imply a Snowdin mirror.
>>729194602Your own head can be a curse
>>729195034(same anon) god I need that so much
>>729195034I mean, Papyrus needs to show up in 5 otherwise his late inclusion will be jarring as fuck. I wanna see his DR counterpart so bad.
>>729195000I guess that makes sense. I guess they just get along. Although we don't see much of her in genocide. But I like the idea of them being frens.
>>729195208Reverse Undertale theory works in allegories, not direct comparisons. King isn't literally Asgore, Tenna isn't literally Mettaton, etc. Another character will take the role of Sans and Papyrus, probably the flower bouquet.
>>729194121what is it about kris that does crave?
>>729195208>he thinks all that papyrus teasing meant somethingLMAO
>>729195034>everything we know of Chapter 5 seems to imply a Snowdin mirror.What part of this sounds like Snowdin to you?
>>729194705it's both of themasgore is best friends with rudy, the mayor's husband, ex-husband of toriel who's pretty prominent at the church and is the ex chief of police kris is a family friend ofthe holiday family, is the child of toriel and asgorewhile susie might be able to figure out asgore's importance, i wonder if she'll ever stop and think about how kris plays into all of this
>>729195806The fact that it will be a forest and fire themed, directly contrasting the snow forest of Snowdin. Also the festival being a clear constrat to Snowdin Town, too.
>>729195421Toby is hiding Papyrus because the moment we see him all of Deltarune's mysteries will instantly be revealed.
>>729194705>>729195994Susie likely doesn't even know what happened to Asgore, given how much she doesn't seem to pay attention to light world shit
>>729196343but she's starting to, once she learns that asgore used to be a cop everything will click into place she knows he's affiliated with carol, since she met him thereshe also knows that he's toriel's ex-husband all that's left is the police connection, and since he trained undyne as soon as he catches wind that she's missing he'll be all over town investigating
>>729196312>NICE TO MEET YOU, HUMAN!>I WANT TO INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR FATHER, WINGDING GASTER!>FATHER, THE HUMAN NEIGHBOUR WANTS TO MEET YOU!>i think dad's too busy for that, bro>AND HOW ARE YOU SURE OF THAT?>dunno, he was too busy to tell me anything>SANS!!!
>>729195421Papyrus is the knight. Why else would the trousling of bones decrease the more active the knight becomes?
>>729196537>as soon as he catches wind that she's missing he'll be all over town investigatingodds Toriel and/or Carol will screw him next chapter?
>>729196823i think asgore will be doing some kind of investigating and toriel catches him (with kris and susie nearby) and call him out on not being a cop anymorei think carol genuinely likes asgore as a friend, they do have a pretty long history together through rudy
>>729196312He will talk no jutsu Kris into joining the party for real
>>729194972Do you really want to make that gamble again?
>>729197283what gamble?
>>729195276That just feels right
>>729195208Tobby got too drunk on his own jokeIf we're lucky we will see papyrus until the end
>>729181447I need her feet
>>729197395Who is Clover riding?
>>729188086>Is he also in cahoots with kris and by extension the roaring knight?No. Ralsei is aware of Kris's situation (being possessed) and is sympathetic toward Kris, but he's also committed to maintaining the kayfabe that (You) are Kris. Ralsei genuinely wants to be Kris's friend and to help them as much as he can, but he also believes that he needs to appease and appeal to (You), because he knows (You) are the one who seals the Fountains and the key to saving the world.Ralsei is NOT on The Knight's side. It's unclear how much Ralsei knows about what The Knight wants to do, since he seems genuinely terrified about The Knight starting The Roaring even though there's definitely more to the plan than that. I'm also not sure if it's 100% clear that Ralsei knows that Kris is a traitor (what he says after you "beat" The Knight does imply it), but if he does, I think he sees Kris as someone bound by their fate and circumstances in a position they never really wanted to be in, just like he is.>I always thought it was strange he keeps popping up in whatever dark world we go to. So what is he IRL a keychain or something?Ralsei might not be based on any real object. His lack of personal history, the way he seems to collapse into nothing when he's downed and his inexplicable powers and knowledge makes me think he's literally made of "pure darkness," shaped into a Darkner who exists for the purpose of supporting the Heroes, with a bunch of "programmed" knowledge about the Dark Worlds and the skills, personality and appearance to appeal to them.
>>729195208>>729197395if he doesn't show up at least I'll have the pleasure of calling Toby a piece of shit and no one be able to defend him anymore
>>729197326Yeah I just like all of the Undertale cast being frens. Plus narrator theory has Chara joke around with Frisk.
>>729195405Humans are prey to monster girlsKris happens to be conveniently for the taking
>>729181086first half of undertalesince we only have the first half of the game
>>729197509You can already point out a lot of things that tobby does, people wont care enough
>>729197548Besides the scenes where the narrator shows to be sentient it was confirmed somewhere on the 10th stream no?
>>729197946I don't think Toby confirmed narrachara. Only that Chara is with Frisk in all routes at best. You can extrapolate narrachara from there but it's not fully confirmed.
>>729198061Hmm right, still is harder to deny narrachara than to go with it
>>729194109everything
remember Momgravefags?
>>729198712remember when people thought catti and jockington would become party members
>>729196196>The fact that it will be a forest and fire themed, directly contrasting the snow forest of SnowdinThe others aren't "contrasts" though. Castle Town is a vast but empty city like New Home which leads you to the King's Castle, Cyber World is an artificial futuristic area like the CORE, TV World has you going through a big contrived series of puzzles and minigames playing along with an entertainment robot that eventually gets old and goes off the rails like Hotland, The Church has a more heavy and somber atmosphere than previous areas with a hostile area boss who confronts you at the start and harasses you throughout while you learn a lot more about the game's history/lore, like Waterfall.It's also not going to be "forest and fire themed," it's going to be a field of flowers (and other agriculture, The Forgotten Man implied Chapter 5's Egg is in a field of wheat) and the fire will likely be a dramatic climactic event like most of the other events Gerson described.>Also the festival being a clear constrat to Snowdin TownThe Festival won't be part of the Dark World. Chapter 5's Dark World will be in Flower King, Asgore's flower shop.For the Festival to be a Dark World the entire town would have to become a Dark World. That seems impossible until The Roaring happens, because we've seen three examples of a Dark World's darkness harmlessly dissipating when it escapes a wide-open door, even at night.
>>729198712Was firegrave an actual theory people were throwing out? I wasn't around the wait for chapter 3, I played chapter 2 when it released and decided not to interact with the fanbase. I did the same when chapter 1 came out.
>>729198712I really thought susie was going to die in Ch3
>>729198712(You) might be a rapist but at least you are faithful to Noelle.
>>729198796Tobby changed his mind on having everyone in class as party membersI'll die on that hill
>>729198712People joke about Chapter 3 deconfirming Kris as the Knight, people chiming in that Knightkrisfags won spiritually, etc. but people who thought Toriel would've been a party member legitimately just fucking vanished to a point where I have to wonder if they were just arguing that ironically
>>729198872Yes, people unironically thought the Weird Route would be doing epic genoslides with a different target each Chapter, tying into the idea that we were going to get other guest party members each ChapterBoth ignoring that we've known from the beginning that Noelle was going to be a main character and the others were not
>>729199076>Both ignoring that we've known from the beginning that Noelle was going to be a main character and the others were notthere was a weirdly high amount of people back then who really tried to downplay Noelle's importance for some reason
>>729199076Huh.. There is no answer for Ralsei?
>>729199403Ralsei... he's a... you know...
>>729199540Dead kid?
>>729198712Remember papyrus knighters?
>>729199540Ahh... Of course
>>729199334>for some reasonIts because they didn't want to cool tomboy dinosaur girl to be sucked into another dull yurislop relationship.
>>729199616I saw some todayThey could still be lurking, even now...
>>729199334God I need to pin Noelle down and fill her with Christmas cheer
>>729191149>kris is for berdlyI FUCKING KNEEL
Pattern-fags are so funny. They forget that above all this is a video game meant to tell a story, not an esoteric ARG.
>>729200474stop being a nigger
>>729181086it's the first half of the halloween hack
When you play the 1st backstage game and you go back to "become stronger" entrance and cut down the trees to the left or right side after hitting LV3, why are there extra entrances that lead to an empty room and why do they disappear when you walk out?
>>729198712i remember one firegrave idea being that it'd be triggered by getting kris hurt, except instead of genosliding the darkners toriel just leaves when kris gets downedthis isn't really relevant but it's just kinda funny to me thinking about how the guy who made that idea perfectly clocked how bad of a mom toriel is before ch4 though i guess she already kinda sucked in undertale, ch4 just shoved it into people's faces
>>729187852however some things are out of order, like muffet's soul & papyrus's soul next.
>>729199540hugpillow
>>729200820>an empty roomisn't there hidden text in those rooms that you can only see by walking minikris behind the text (since it's colored black)?i don't remember what it says though.
night
>>729201193all GOATED
>>729199051Let's see:>chapter 2 Berdly was amazing, and opened up the possibility of more Lighters to be supporting characters in the dark worlds>Toriel got quite a few heartwarming scenes previously, the very last one being one with Susie>the chapter 3 teaser heavily hypes Toriel (and another lightner, usually assumed to be Undyne) to show up there>new chapters come out and she sleeps through the whole of it, Undyne is also barely present>chapter 4 has Gerson doing the gag everyone expected to be done with Toriel (the Old Man ACT)>chapter 4 is dedicated to saving her only to turn out she was getting shitfaced and Boned (tm) the whole time>the image people had of her for literal 10 years is crushed in the most jarring way possibleI can only wonder why that happened.
>>729201193>yellow isn't a cowboy, instead he's on his way to the Nuclear Thronei dig it
>>729200474TorielMilk
What’s her endgame?
>>729201019It says>Thanks for your feedbak>See you soon!which is taken from the Undertale Soundtest fun event that feature Gaster's theme
>>729201360Grooming Kris
>>729200820One has FRIEND make a cameoAnother says in black text that you have to walk under to see>Are you having fun?
>>729201360>>729201492you already made this post
>>729201613I'm gonna make another one
>>729182237We're more than halfway through already.
>>729198879Toby Fox isn't going to kill off any of the characters his troon fanbase is invested in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfYyBp4Ln2s
>>729201193these are the classmates that bullied our dinosaur at her old town
>>729198879>picWhere is Japhet?
>>729202197What did Toby mean by this?
>>729203114this is what i mean by chapter 1 kinda fucking sucks
>>729201613yeah that's all he does. here and elsewhere>img_ or m.jpg kress slop>stupid, attention-seeking question
>>729203582It's almost like it's been repeatedly established that there's a pretty severe samefagging problem from some retard from /vg/ that had been hammered down months ago.
youtube.com/watch?v=6eCuCve1Bp4&pp=ygUVZGVsdGFydW5lIHR3aW5rIHBlYWtzthis is the only theory video i've ever watched that has any substance or lasting value.
>>729203582>>729203734It's exhausting, it makes every thread the sameAre they trying to keep this threads killed on purpose?
>>729204195No anon the admin just banned people reporting that guy and let him spam horse porn for fun.The fuck do you think? This has been a problem for months, of course it's to make the threads shit on purpose.
>>729203114he means that this thing is unbelievably soft
>>729204590
>my sweet childhood friend? Noooooo!!! >random bully have girl? Oh my angel yes!!!!! What is his major malfunction
spamton represents mad dummy, not mettaton. the dude matches the erratic rage-filled personality, and was originally called MAD MAILER before toby renamed the character. mad dummy is the one who sent noelle the pipis in the sweepstakes.this is why mad dummy comments on recognizing kris and giving his regards to asgore, before retracting it in a panic. because tenna is asgore, and spamton is mad mailer, aka mad dummy.
What the...
so is Kris a human or a HUMAN?
>>729204195no, because if the threads were killed they wouldn't be able to post in themit's just good old fashioned autism, exacerbated by the second layer autism that comes with being a nonce
>>729203114 He meant "look, she HAD a rough past okay??? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO FEEL BAD FOR HER." It's that patented Toby Fox subtlety where he shoves backstory into the margins and expects you to grieve over two lines of dialog and a dim hallway sprite.
>>729206356>herDid you click the wrong post?
>>729194705It can apply to Carol, Asgore, or Rudy. It's all three of them.
>>729199051People didn't know that Chapter 3 was going to be filler with a side of accidental(?) yaoibait
>>729205476Noelle more like Femcelle
>>729204192I'm an OG Twin Peaks Deltarune schizo and I heavily disagree with Sans being the Cooper of this story. He's Albert at best.Asriel on the other hand...
Kris x Noelle is villainized because it's too heteronormative. Only lesbians are allowed to be portrayed positively.
>>729205030TLDR?
there's a FRIEND inside all of us
>Kris licked TennaYep I ship it now
>>729208275That got debunked.
>>729207662>kris is a genderblob queer BOSS YASSS SLAY!!!>no kris x noelle is bad because it's straight and heteronormative!!!
>>729208414ur mom got deboonked xDddd
>>729205030I sincerely doubt that Toby had any intention of referencing any real person with Gaster. If anything, Gaster has become a stand-in for Toby himself (reminder that Toby's holding company for UTDR is "Royal Sciences, LLC")"Gaster" is a highly obscure surname, I doubt most people even realize it's a real one. I am confident that Toby's reason for choosing that name (perhaps even coming up with it independently) is that it sounds sufficiently sinister for the character and is 6 characters long. And the reason Dr. Gaster needs a surname is that his given name ought to be "Wingdings," the idea of a character speaking incomprehensible script being too appealing to resist but the name "Wingdings" being far too silly for the intended role of the character."Thespis" is a work of comparative mythology, analyzing the archetypes and "tropes" common to stories that reoccur across cultures. The "monster(s) imprisoned underground" is one such idea that is nearly universal, the book is simply taking note of it and is certainly not the first or only source to do so.Gaster is plainly established as some kind of Satanic archetype and generally sinister figure, but he remains far more mysterious than malicious. In fact, Gaster seems to be the one character that's on our side no matter what.The nature of "DELTARUNE" and the ending it's building toward is something only Toby Fox knows, but if I know anything about his work even his grand design of accomplishing that "one ending" he dreamed about 15 years ago isn't untouchable. Undertale was a game about our DETERMINATION to change FATE. That is "YOUR POWER" which Gaster admired, the reason we were brought to the world of Deltarune."THE FUTURE IS IN YOUR HANDS."
FemKrisfags? Your response?
>>729208451Kris is male-coded. The genderblob stuff is all performative.
>>729208979>it has nothing to do with him being an effeminate male bro trust me it's not a fetish
>>729209042I know, the hypocrisy is astounding
...
>>729208979>Ralsei is clearly a femboy at most>death cult armed and ready to groom another
>>729208979His main evidence is that Lost Girl plays for Ralsei. The rest is projection on part of the author (he's a trannie). It's really cringeworthy since he calls Ralsie "she" throughout the video. He keeps pointing out Ralsei is very feminine (no shit). FemKris theory explains Ralsei's femininity by him being a creation of young girl Kris. That makes more sense than introduce tranny shit out of nowhere.
>>729208979So we're back to here again.
By the way, outside of 4chan more people think Ralsei is the girl hero than Kris is.
>>729181086It's a jewish tranny game for trannies.
>>729209917Do they think that or do they want that, and, much like the resident issue here, is it an obnoxious faggot poorly pretending to be multiple people.
>>729208275>>729208414It would not be past Toby to see how much the meme caught on and do a reverse fake-out.
>>729208979It's over, I'm dilating right now
>"Lost girl" is left untranslated in both this test and on the JP soundtrackInteresting
>>729208979Man, I sometimes legit push for Prince Dess and even I wouldn't go that nuts. If she was meant to be the Third Hero, I'd expect it to be either a "handsome Prince-type girl" like Utena or a "using opposite gender disguise to hide the truth" deal like Shiek.
>>729181447Is literally Andrew Hussie.that fucking Andrew hussie but in the recent news letter feels like it confirms everything even more so
>>729194109He knows about how horny noelle is. First few weeks of marriage would just be constant sex. Every morning and evening he would be forced to go at it. Just over and over again, in and out.Kris also doesn't strike me as the type who wants kids. Meanwhile, Noelle will want to get pregnant asap
>>729211192Elaborate?
>>729205476
>>729212983>First few weeks of marriage would just be constant sex.>Every morning and evening he would be forced to go at it.>Just over and over again, in and out.>Noelle will want to get pregnant asapHow horrifyingJust >imagine ing it is making me shiver
>>729213194
>>729201297>>the image people had of her for literal 10 years is crushed in the most jarring way possibleThe image retards had of her. Toriel's character in DR is perfectly consistent with her character in Undertale and anyone who says otherwise is in SEVERE denial.
>>729182237Kris not being (You) doesn't count? It was THE twist that set DR apart from UT. And let's be real, that twist was the only good thing about chapter 1.
>>729216508>that twist was the only good thing about chapter 1.What about the music, atmosphere, Susie drama, and Lancer?
Anyone who plays this shit is a faggot.
I will remind you.
I cant believe Dess got to molest and rape Kris.... she's so lucky
>how it feels watching him sling out tired old bait in a desperate attempt to keep the thread alive
>>729216718The music may be good, but what is chapter 1's story even about without the end twist? Some Narnia ripoff?
What could have been in Asriel's Cyber City room that Kris didn't want us to see?
>>729181086
>>729217235Didn't the left one have some kind of white guilt induced meltdown a while ago?
what did she mean by this
>>729220468she thinks you're a buzzkill
>>729197797
>>729219560honestly probably nothing too crazykris just doesn't want (you) knowing anything more about his life than whats absolutely necessary which is very little
>>729220468that she thinks of ralsei as a good friend and wants to see him again?have you never been friends with people you want to hang out with daily?
>>729181086You're asking that implying both halves of Undertale are different somehow.
>>729220468sex with Ralsei (he's about 12 inches)
>>729198712Yes, they are the new "we will possess Noelle in the weird route" fags.
>>729205476tomboy pussy > masochistic doe ass
>>729220983Yes.We eventually had a falling out and he turned into a tranny afterwards.
I have a strong feeling that Tobi won't be able to handle the plot well and will ruin at least one of the following plot points:Noelle getting strongerAsriel existenceWho is RalseiWhy is Soul in KrisGaster
>>729198834>It's also not going to be "forest and fire themed," it's going to be a field of flowers (and other agriculture, The Forgotten Man implied Chapter 5's Egg is in a field of wheat) and the fire will likely be a dramatic climactic event like most of the other events Gerson described.Even better, then, as Snowdin is a literal forest. Plus you forget Asgore’s shop has both a fridge and a freezer that even Toby himself points as suspicious (and don't forget Toriel’s fridge created an entire ice area in Chapter 3)>The Festival won't be part of the Dark World. Chapter 5's Dark World will be in Flower King, Asgore's flower shop.Exactly. Since it's Reverse Undertale Theory, the chapter will start with the festival mirroring Snowdin Town, then the Dark World mirroring the forest and then us entering in the shelter door to mirror Frisk exiting the RUINs.
>>729221127>Who is RalseiA tree, some promo art already spoiled it
>>729198350Yeah, it's very hard to deny narrachara, especially when Chara narrates in regular text in first person, unlike the old fanon myth that she only uses red text.
>>729221223Source? Doesn't make sense anyway. How would he appear in 3 different places then?
>>729199051Momgravefags and Alvin Knight fags were probably the biggest Chapter 2 era theorists that literally vanished without a trace.
>>729221281roots are everywhere
>>729221347It should be big ass tree to have roots in 3 at three distant locations
>>729201613He should make more.
>>729221042Susie is a lucky girl
>>729208979FemKris>>>>>>>>Tranny Ralsei
>>729209917Because for them Kris being "non-binary" means they can't have a gender at all.
>>729201342Yes, milk! Milk!
>>729221405Or maybe the world is small
>>729208979Tranny horseshoe theory reifying 1950s strict adherence to gender roles. Totally retarded. The troons who push it insist it has evidence outside of "Ralsei is feminine so he has to be le egg uwu," but all the """evidence""" they compile is them working backwards from the conclusion they only reached in the first place because he's feminine
>>729217235I'll remind you right back, Ranjesh
>>729208979That's a theory hated by everyone on twitter, even by trans people.
>prophecy has figure who's only immutable characteristic is that they're female>"ah yes CLEARLY they're suppose to be this character who's never been referred to as a girl this makes perfect scene"what causes this mental defect?
>>729222595>what causes this mental defect?femkrisfags: dickbrain syndrometrans ralsei fag(s): severe brain damage
This image is currently triggering woke retards on twatter
>>729208979Just another reason why Toby will never interact with western fanbase
>>729222810Why is it always sexy women that triggers Underrune twitter?
>>729222810SDT position
Dess got kris drunk on eggnog so she could do whatever she wants with him
>>729222595FemKrisfags I assume it's a mix of wanting to appear smart as well as being horny for them. Tranny Ralsei is mental illness.
>>729220468Why are you reposting this image? What kind of headcanon or wish fulfillment you are trying to invoke? That she actually want to fuck Ralsei and isn't just caring about her friend being left out in the dark? Are you just autistic or retarded?
>>729222908holy shit how are you in every single thread every single day at all times fuck offHow can someone be so much of a loser that they dedicate so much of their life to posting on 4chan in threads where they're not even wanted it's insanityunironically have sex it might actually save your life jesus christ
>>729223296Who are you talking to?
>>729222810everything offends twittertards
>>729187714What's the second half of homestuck like?
>>729222810Don't care about twitter, but post more dinobutt.
>>729223905teen drama, dropped plot points, and quirky shit
>>729223703This, especially if it's attractive women. Zoomers in general seem to hate sexy stuff nowadays.
>>729222984Does this mean Noelle is Milhouse?>Kris, Ralsei is the best Darkner in the world! He's nothing like your old one.>FRIEND? I guess I was the only one who loved him...>You got that right! Remember the time he ate my sister, and you lied to me and said I never had any sister? Then why'd I have the guitar, Kris? Why did I have the guitar?
Dess is the final boss of Deltarune.
>>729224184She's a fake out final boss if you don't get all the crystals or do the weird/middle route.
>>729224223>fake out final bossThat's Kris.
>>729224184If she's the Knight I don't think so. Toby doesn't reuse boss fights usually. Unless she gets another form.
>>729224331The Knight is Kris puppeteering her frozen corpse.
>>729224331>Toby doesn't reuse boss fights usuallyUsually, yes, but you're not meant to be really fight her for most players. The intended experience is to get two-tapped and build up the eventual rematch.
>>729201193Feels weird seeing the unused beta human not just being Frisk here.
>>729224443I still feel that since we already fought her Toby won't reuse her for a final boss. We might get a rematch but I have a feeling it's going to be more of a glorified cutscene.
>>729198350>>729221272if you believe narrachara you are a legitimate drooling retard
>>729224443>>729224643I think a rematch is possible but the knight will probably get new attacks in that case.
>>729224854There's a reason it's still a popular theory almost 10 years later.
the groomed, with human soul and parts!
>>729225458*raped
>>729222810Need to crank that rate beyond 42% already
>Chapter 6 will parallel the Ruins according to reverse Undertale theorywhat does this imply
>>729226108Won't chapter 7 be the ruins?My honest assumption is that chapter 6 will be snowdin because Noelle's house.
what did they mean by this?
Do you think Kris and Noelle ever watched "It's a wonderful life" or do you think that would have made Kris kill himself?
>>729226167If its reverse ut theory itd be1 new home2 the core3 hotland4 waterfall5 snowdin6 ruins7 ??? or itll stretch something into two areas with related concepts for 5 and 6
>>729224443Knight will 100% get Hyperdeath Asriel wings as one final red herring and then it's just Dess still
>>7292263727 being off script makes sense since according to Gerson himself, the final part was never finished due to swallowing the creator whole.
would /v/ hate toby if he had released just chapter 3 and not 4 and we waited another full calandar year with it
>>729226372I can't help but feel you could probably split waterfall into two parts, though I must also admit it's not as obvious to me as Hotland and Core.
>>729224184It's obviously the Angel, retardoYou will fight Dess in chapter 5 for the last time, after that it's Angel/Gaster territory
>>729226613IMO Chapter 3 would be way more polarizing if it was released by itself. At the very least I think a lot of people would be more 50/50 about it like toby alluded in his newsletter.
>>729226585It'll be a surface parallel
>>729226613>non-stop "Kris is a traitor" discussion
>>729226784>ch6 ruins (shelter)>ch7 pre undertale surface (post roaring town)>ch0 post undertale surface (pre deltarune town)
>>729226108It's the shelter. It's locked to the outside world with a big door just like the RUINS was. Chapter 5 will end us going inside as Snowdin starts with us exiting the RUINS.
>>729226613People would literally say "IS KRIS *REALLY* THE SHARTING KNIGHT AND THE 'KNIGHT' ISN'T REALLY THE KNIGHT?" and then because of the wait we'd get ch4 and 5 bundled and the game would be hailed as the greatest game of history due to the agonizing wait beforehand
>>729226613I would want to fucking rip his throat out that's for sure. After thinking about it I've actually come to appreciate Chapter 3 quite a bit, I think it's pretty good, but I know if it was the only chapter released at that point, I would still be mad about it even now.
>>7292266133 would be more hated if it was released alone. People would get madder about Toriel sleeping the entire chapter and Undyne jobbing, people would hate that Snowgrave was non-existent in the Chapter and would also hate the fact we don't have a schizo in the chapter.
>>729226372None of deltarune is anything like Undertale levels you dorks
truthlear nukem:susie is half human
>>729227176tv world is exactly like mettaton stuffboth dorks obsessed with tv
>>729227330It's possible but kind of lame.Her being a monster raised in human society is more intresting.
trvklear bomba: Dess is human
>>729227330Here's a better one:Alphys is Susie's foster guardian, hence why she's so hesistant to really do anything about her.
Berdly, Catti and Jockington will become playable or I will slaughter Toby Fox
>>729227441that's retarded
>>729227457>berdlyno>cattishe'll be a shopkeeper at best>jockingtonhe's going to literally disappear from the game goner style
>>729227652fuck you
>>729227652Toby hands typed this
>>729227652>he's going to literally disappear from the game goner stylethat's not possible, he has to be around to grow the beard like the prophecy says
>>729227718>Grows the beard>Turns gray>Spouts incoherent gibberish>Gaster jingle>Never appears againYour response to this chain of events
>>729227749I'll kneel for you
>>729227749I'll kneel on Toby's neck
>>729227749ultra kino
>>729227749TOBY FOX GET THE FUCK OFF 4CHAN AND FINISH DELTARUNE, NOW!
>>729227652>>729227749jockington will "disappear", but not because he turns into a goner and deletes himself from existence
>>729227749>and catti has absolutely zero relevance to the plot whatsoeverYABBA DABBA
>>729227428Toby will never give us a human with clear gender. Stick it to fanon.
>>729227341no it's not, its closer to cyberworld and if reversal was anything but delusion you would have this world instead of forest in chapter 1 because Mettaton level is the last one before facing Asgore
>>729227749Jockington is a irrelevant gag character.
>>729228187>speech becoming more unintelligible and weird over the course of the chapters like the library guy >accurately predicts the chapter 4 titan battle endingyou can be a joke character and still be toby'd
>>729228158Chapter 1 mirrors New Home. CORE is Chapter 2.
THE FUCKING STRONGEST
>>729228364how it mirrors new home you dumb retard? Its not even a level and has nothing to do with chapter 1. Has no enemies, nothing beside Toriels/Asgore house and castle wall to walk
>>729228158chapter 3 is hotland2 is the core
>>729228158spamton neo is mettatons core battle (late in chapter 2 - last boss before new home)tenna is mettatons box form shenanigans (tv focus and quiz shows)
>>729228497you are retarded
>>729228448>how it mirrors new homeasgore is a king and its a monochrome castle this is the loosest of the reverse undertale theory
>>729228626so you do get it :)
>>729222893Based
>>729228448Card Castle is monochrome just like New Home, and King is a blatant King analogue.
>>729228643I think you're taking it too literally.Chapter 1 has>an empty place that uses to be full of life >a monochrome castle with buildup to the evil king>evil king actually isnt that evil just cares for his people / son and does evil things "for them" It's not 1:1 but thematic
>>729228812*Asgore analogue
>>729222984Look man if krusie and Krisellefags can have their cope posts I can have mine
>>729222810
>>729228910Kriselle and Krusie are valid paths, probably main reason Toby bothered to make Deltarune in the first place. Ralsei is Berdly and Catti level of important or relevant love interest to anyone
>>729225014because undertale fans are illiiterate and have no idea what things like "character voice" mean
>>729228985Toby did not make Deltarune just for shipping shit, lmao
>>729229006>Undertale fans can't read memeShayy lost
>>729227718once he grows the beard he will retroactively always had the bearddidn't you read the organnik's dialogue?
>>729229018He 100% did. Toby is a huge shippernigger who used to fuck a HS cosplayer.
>>729229073>can only relate things to ecelebsSad!
>>729229018>he thinks this thing didn't make the game for shipping wish fulfillmenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwampY_jIdg
>>729187641Kris isn't even old enough to drink but he's already rocking the beer gut, he's gonna be a legend in college
>>729229107Deltarune was made because of Toby's schizo dream, not ship shit.
>>729229427It BECAME shipshit though.
>>729229427Yeah, HIS dream where Kris was him and not some third character. He dreamed about Susie and Noelle which is combination of his schizo fantasies and memories from childhood and school years about his childhood friend and school bully
>>729229279>el creatividad
>>729229427jesus christ dess's mouth
>>729229279How autistic is Toby??? I don't believe he finds human women attractive by this point....
>>729229279I'm not watching that shit. I love Undertale, but that's not enough to accept dying of cringe.
>>729228910ralsei is gay
>>729229724Toby likes Touhou women attractive at the very least.
>>729229724he doesntsee above about his homestuck cosplayer gfhe can ONLY sex if youre a weird inhuman girl
>>729229724he will be gay
>Krusiefags unironically think their ship will happen just because of a handful of (optional) Krusie momentsAnd I thought I was delusional
>>729228985>game beats (YOU) over the head about how kris isn’t a self insert and has their own thoughts and feelings >”btw collect these eggs to get with the character yo-KRIS wants to fuck”Do shipperfags really
>>729230298suselle is optional if you do weird route ;3
>>729228448>nothing beside Toriels/Asgore house and castle wall to walkgee i wonder what would make people think card kingdom parallels that
toby fox may be a shipperfag but he also hails from homestuck where every fucking character relationship and pairing was thoroughly raped and only the worst ones made it to canonmake of that what you will
>>729230298The most delusional part is people thinking Toby made Deltarune just for shipping.
I wonder if there are any female self-inserters with Kris.
>>729230479no, they pretend kris is a boy
>>729229705Very anime.
>>729229427>>729229705:U
>>729230057*Fanon TouhouRan was literally a soulless computer program until Toby actually met ZUN. Most Touhou characters are also truly awful people.
>>729230479They are mostly actual dykes or FTM trannies that ship Kris with Susie or Noelle.
>>729230298by that logic suselle is also fucked since all its big "moments" can be easily skipped and you have to actively wait to listen to Ch4 chat. meanwhile ralsei's and susie's banter is mostly non-skippable and important to the story. make of that what you will.
>>729230479No. They 2 go for Noelle.
>>729230652Fanon, canon, whatever. Toby still finds the characters attractive. Just like me despite not playing a single Touhou game.
>>729230479Kris is entirely written as a boy so I don't think that's possible
>>729230674 (me)Forgot to add there's a very small selection that end up shipping Kris with Tenna or Spamton as well.
>>729230761so surface level crap
>>729230761I guess? Though I find it hard to say he likes human women when the only human looking characters he likes are monsters on the inside.
I wish GR13 was actually enforced.
A reminder that there are anons to this very day who believe the SOUL isn't (you)
>>729230858Nah. More like looking at a pond and thinking you've seen the sea.Canon and Fanon Touhou might as well be different franchises.
>>729230675Susie and Ralsei's relationship also remains unaffected by snowgrave for the most part. Enhances it really since they get to spend more time together.
>>729230886THE SOUL IS DESSDESS MADE ME RAPE NOELLE AND KILL BERDLY
>>729230886i'm playing a videogamei'm not a character in the story
>>729230954you playing the video game is a plot point in the story doe
>>729230860According to this place that's all women in general.
>>729231061
>>729230298Imagine the shitposting potential when suselle is confirmed, you'll be able to come into any Deltarune thread and completely derail it by posting pics from the game, it'll be glorious.
>>729231118
>>729230947Dess is le human, le groomer and le soul.
>>729230479See Kris/Spamton art
>>729231224Kristenna, too.
>>729231070This place is wrong. Most women aren't serial killers like most Touhou girls.
>>729231686Wtf but all 4channers need to be evil incel chuds.
>>729222595>assume that the game is always lying and misleading you so you have to outsmart itIt's quite simple
>>729232268This is unironically how 99% of Deltarune theorists think and I hate it, it's the reason why we have so many fucking retarded theories.
>>729222595the girl is obviously susie, straight hair and no horns
>>729230298>handfull optional momentsRalsusie fags need to know their place under the boot
>>729232268>>729232457There's certainly a balance between trusting what is made very blatant (i.e. Carol Knight is real cause Kris calls the phone person and Carol shows up so clearly that means Carol must be the Knight) and insisting that nothing must be true cause "tricky Toby" and you have to think 5 miles ahead of twists.
>>729230314only bluesky troons think Kris isn't a self insert
>>729232490Look THE GIRL might have Susie's hair and her snoot and her jacket, but she's holding a sword so it's impossible, Susie could NEVER hold a sword(please ignore that Noelle suddenly started being able to hold swords this Chapter, nothing ever happens chud)
>>729230370If youre an autist with a hammer, everything looks like a nail and fuflillment of your headcanon
>>729230083shit man if I could fuck a Terezi cosplayer whenever I wanted to I don't think I'd be able to go back to regular women either
>>729230471It will be fun seeing you retards react to different Ferris wheel picks and then pretending to be a different Anon and saying "I always knew Krusie na Kriselle would be a possibility!!"
>>729230886We aren't, we didn't make up any plan to rape Noelle. For all we know there will be a part in CHapter 5 where we move as Kris while SOUL move on its own or inside different character. Everything is an autistic conjecture based on unfinished story
>>729232753>There's certainly a balance between trusting what is made very blatant (i.e. Carol Knight is real cause Kris calls the phone person and Carol shows up so clearly that means Carol must be the Knight)Are you fucking retarded
>>729232756But Kris isn't. Your self-insert and your avatar is the Vessel/Soul
>>729232856I wouldn't mind being wrong myself desu.
>>729232789Thats not how you suppoe to look at it. It's a long hair girl wearing a white hood, like the one you saw in Chapter 3 video game. Its obviously supposed to be Noelle. Ralsei and Kris are just involving Susie as replacement sacrifice. Kris was convinced by Dess, Ralsei has inferiority complex and just treat Kris and Dess wish as a command since Lightners = Gods
>>729233034First line you hear is that your name is Kris
>>729233120What white hood motherfucker, you can literally see the hair. If it's supposed to be the hooded figure we saw in chapter 3 then we wouldn't see the har.
>>729232720Yeah, keep counting those (optional) Krusie moments on one hand. I'm sure they'll get together if you collect them all lmao
>>729233120THE GIRL's portrait clearly has hair curling in the back. Susie is the only one with hair like that. Noelle's "WHITE CLOAK" sprite looks nothing like that.The "twist" is Susie's failure to recognize that "THE SECOND HERO, THE GIRL" and "AND LAST WAS THE GIRL, AT LAST WAS THE GIRL" are talking about two different girls, Susie and Noelle. Noelle has a role in the Prophecy separate from the Three Heroes. That's it.
>>729233320retard
>>729233183That's Toriel saying if, we don't know if the second voice would've said "Kris" or another name, since it was cut off.
>>729233320I can't believe there are people this autistic and media illiterate they take this "your choices don't matter" seriously. You deserve to get yourself cucked by Krusie
>>729233183No. You hear "Your name is..." and "Kris!". They were two separate sentences. It's called narrative trickery.
>the dark worlds are obviously fairy tales the kids are playing>gamers are so wikipilled they dont understand this and think everything in a story has to be literal
>>729233372The "hair" is Kris's cape.
>>729222810>Its fucking nothingI wonder how they choose to rage at anything, this is a very tame susan
>>729232753The difference is interrogating those assumptions to reach a logical conclusion (eg. Carol has an extremely conspicuous giant katana and another secret black katana in her bedroom which would lead you to assume she's The Knight, but The Knight's sword is NOT a katana and their actual weapon is a baseball bat, which points toward The Knight actually being Dess with 500 giant red blinking arrows) and being willing to accept these conclusions, until they can be challenged with a more convincing alternative.
>>729221272Even at the time, when after learning that frisk is not [Insert Name], and the narrator actually interacts with the givem choices because she is scared tooPeople just completely ignored that, alas, people love their head canons
Wtf just happened to that reply?? Did anyone else see it get blipped?? Was anon on to something?? Toby are you there??
>>729233536Like I said previously, literally any sexualized girl gets this reaction from twitter trannies. They just hate the male gaze.
>here enter Charafag>Where /pol/fags sees Jews everywhere, he see female humans and Undertale protags everywhere
i wish tobert hadn't made such an obvious fucking "erm this prophecy is not what the characters aschume it is..." plot i'm so sick of THE GIRL
>>729233372>>729233120that's not hair, that's wings (which noelle is confirmed to have in her drawer)(pic not completely related)
>>729233375>>729233435Mmhm, I'm sure Kris' treachery will serve to enhance their relationship
>>729233725He should have done the more based "the prophecy is fake but it ends up becoming true anyway"
>>729233663what are you talking about, schizo?
>>729233780There was a reply just below this guy >>729233536That got deleted very quickly and quietly in-between refreshes, it was talking about the prophecy referring to both noelle and Susie. Are jannies in the know?
>>729233505Kris's hair and "cape" don't look like that, and Kris is obviously The CageYou're not being smart, you're being stubborn>>729233728It's absolutely not wings and that still doesn't account for the shape of her head and hairIt's just fucking Susie, give it up
>>729233742Susie would be willing to kill Noelle to be with Kris
>>729232756kris literally rips out "their" soul to dick around while (YOU)'re stuck controlling it. the game makes it pretty obvious that kris has motives counter to yours especially in the weird route.
>>729233630The symbolism around DessKnight is so overwhelming it trashes any other possibilities. That black katana is shit red herring, since we know Carol physically couldn't be at the church at the time. CarolKnight is arguably one of the worst written red herrings in all of fiction. Literally nobody fell for it.
>>729233713Soosie
>>729233865No, retard, it means original poster deleted it. You can delete your own posts, schizo
>>729233865You need to stop asking questions, friend.
>>729233630I think the funnies thing to come out of this is that anon who said "uh, that's actually clearly a bronze age sword, not a bat!!!!!!!!!!!". One of the funniest things I've read in the past few years here.
>>729233928And when you will be able to move as Kris and fight SOUL, then what? You havent played an entire game but you keep pushing shit like troons do with non binary Kris
>>729233660Narrachara was popular since 2016 and nowadays people who don't agree with it are a fringe minority. But yeah, the narrator clearly saying "It’s just you, Frisk" while the narrator says "It’s me, Chara" in first person is the smoking gun the narrator is Chara imo
>>729233684Kinda yet not quiteThere is a ton of exaggerated susie porn that i'm sure they fap toYet we dont hear a single yap about thoseThey ironically seem to only target sfw art
>>729233967Ok but that begs the question of why? There was no spelling or grammar error and they also havent posted it again.
>>729233630>The Knight's sword is NOT a katana and their actual weapon is a baseball batthe knight's sword changes shape quite significantly depending on the animation, it's a moot point either way
>>729233630it turns into a katana blindfag
>>729233865There's nothing in the archive. Take your meds.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/729181086/#q729233630
>>729233919Man, you people really need to stop consuming Deltarune through fanart and actually play the game
>>729234112No it is not a moot point you fucking nigger, stop trying to weasel your way out of this, it's specifically drawn as a bat for a reason.
>>729234087unlike you, maybe they felt self aware of autism on Christmas eve and deleted their shit theory?
>>729234127I WILL NOT BE GASLITIT WAS LITERALLY FUCKING THEREthe Rchive didnt scrape it fast enough Also why would I make this up
>>729234174I'm literally a dessknightfag you autist. I'm telling you you need to argue your position better or shut the fuck up. "NUH-UH" isn't good enough.
>>729234174Pure coincidence. Anything that goes against my headcanon is coincidental and should be ignored.
>>729233945It's fine, Deltarune isn't a mystery novel, casuals who aren't deep into the lore/fandom are just going to assume the bad guy is Noelle's "homophobic" mom, or at least not think about it too hard and see her as one of several suspectsEven just creating the pretense that it might be someone else is enough to muddy the water around Dess even if the evidence is still overwhelming, it's not a bad thing to have people seriously question it, as long as they're not just being stupid contrarians
>>729234134I played entire game twice. I never felt worried about Suselle because it's obvious Susie is more Krispilled than players are Susiepilled while Noelle has some fake attachment to Susie anyway
>>729234228Have you ever tried to not obsess?
>>729234313>casuals who aren't deep into the lore/fandom are just going to assume the bad guy is Noelle's "homophobic" momBut that didn't happen. Watch some streamers/LPers. Literally none of them think Carol is the knight. The herring failed spectacularly.
>>729234112The weapon is clearly a bat when it's summoned and this is held for several seconds so we can clearly see it every time you fight The Knight, it's the most significant detail of The Knight's character design after their antlersPretending it doesn't mean anything because it shifts into an actual sword later is exactly as retarded as saying "Well The Knight changes shape so they could be literally anybody! using your brain is a moot point!"The weapon is a bat for a reason just like The Knight has antlers for a reason>>729234120I want you to go look at the katana in Carol's room and tell me it's supposed to be the same weapon
>>729234606That's clearly a cutlass, not a katana.
>>729234228I have 4chanx which keeps deleted posts, I don't see it either
>>729234314You can cope all you want but I better not catch any of you fags bitching and moaning when ch5 drops
What’s her fucking problem?
>>729234075They might fap to it in private but they would never actually say it. A lot of those people that screech pedo at people who enjoy 2D drawings usually have skeletons in their closets that they project to others.
>>729208979>can’t just have cute boy characters anymoreChapter 4 literally has a line about Ralsei growing a beard.
>>729234228That's not how the archive works. You are just schizophrenic.
>>729234424That's because all casual fans got filtered by the WAIT.
>>729234606The Knight's sword doesn't look like a baseball bat. Even in the opening animation. How many bats have you seen with a spiked tip? It's mind-boggling how obvious DessKnight is, yet you faggots STILL fuck up basic argumentation in favor of it. I've seen so many of you retards claim CarolKnight is both completely impossible, yet so obvious that it MUST be a red herring IN THE SAME FUCKING SENTENCE. I have seen literal children who are better at supporting their arguments than you people. Never post again.
>>729234930There's a difference between being cute and a giant faggot. Ralsei is the latter.
>>729234870Remember when Shayy regularly hired a Deltarune porn artist to draw his thumbnails, until the artist got cancelled and he dropped them like a sack of bricks acting like he didn't know about itwhoops!
>>729234836husband pretends to be sick
is the ARG solved yet
>>729234836Gaster kidnapped her daughter and gave her husband AIDS.
>>729234836player cock deficiency
>>729235125no
>>729222893skip equals yes
>>729235087Yes. Shayy is the biggest example of what I am talking about.
>>729235035He’s both
>>729235125it's not meant to be solved yet
So... what we did learn from the mini ARGi learned that there are retards that thought it's not weird route related>>729235125part 3 coming soon for sure
>>729235087What happened with Ditchu anyway, are they still making stuff?
>>729235019Nigga, the Knight's form is a shadow. That's how it changes shapes and can look like anything.
I AM NOT CRAZY! I KNOW HE NUKED THAT REPLY, I KNOW IT! ONE AFTER THE FRISK ONE, AS IF I COUKD EVER MAKE SUCH A MISTAKE, NEVER!
>>729235174is ditchu the porn artist or their partner? did shayy cancel them or they were cancelled and then shayy dropped them?
>>729235301I think so, yeah.
>>729235245this image is the essence and main motive behind Tony's doing this game
>>729235019>The Knight's sword doesn't look like a baseball bat. Even in the opening animationI'm sorry about your visual impairment>I've seen so many of you retards claim CarolKnight is both completely impossible, yet so obvious that it MUST be a red herring IN THE SAME FUCKING SENTENCEA "red herring" is just an element of a story that misleads or distracts from something important, it doesn't have to hold up to scrutiny or even be particularly convincing. If Sans told you that Papyrus dressed up in a full suit of armor for Halloween, that would be a red herring even though it's obviously just Toby fucking with us as a joke.
>>729235356Ditch drew porn in general, while his GF drew Deltarune porn, I think.
>>729235245Noelle is 16. The heroes will appear at Worlds Edge in Chapter 5 or at least the day after 4.
>>729234870>screeching to hide their faultsHuh... That sounds like their whole lifestyle
>>729235429Toby didn't come up with the weird route until after chapter 1 came out, so no, not really.
>>729235301she
>>729235245That noelle was way more into the WR than we thoughtAnd that were 100% interacting with her in Ch5
>>729235451this message is just telling you it has nothing to with this date while also referencing Dess and her "Waise up your bat" song. It doesn't mean she's not the knight
>>729235245Noelle thanks you from the bottom of her heart, no possession, no mind break, nothing imposed on her. She loved every second of it.
>>729235550I dont give a shit about weird route. The basic of the story is saving a cute big titty princess like Mario
I feel like anime's reckless use of asspulls in all climactic moments has actually damaged people's thinking that lying to the audience or just making shit up out of nowhere is okay. Or to use a western example people think it's okay Aang learns to strip bending from a lion turtle in the last moments of the series out of nowhere.The complete refusal to believe the knight is Dess has been so passionately argued here that I can only believe that it is a sincerely held belief even if it makes absolutely no fucking sense. And it really could only be wholesale accepting of asspulls as "good" writing that could justify that. It's fucking crazy. I've talked to people in Japan who just can't take anime seriously because it violates all good storytelling they learned in school and think it's just totally fucking crazy that so many people embrace shit writing like that.
>>729235546Yeah. Moralfags spend all their life attacking others just to eventually be caught as criminals. Very sad.
>>729235514False.
>>729235815That's not because of anime. It's because of FNAF. FNAF's improvised subversions rotted theorizers' brains.
>>729235815>anime*FNAF and Game Theory
>>729235815I still think this is all mostly a cause of the "fakeout" between Chapter 1's ending and Chapter 2's intro. A good chunk of the fanbase has since then thought that every single mystery must always end with something that subverts the player's expectations.
>>729236019thinking about it i bet if toby took the knight less seriously there'd be a scene with battat spazzing out about the knight actually being nubert or something
>>729235815The knight not being a member of the holiday family would be one of gaming's greatest letdowns.
>>729236092Which to be fair is mostly true. Chapter 1's evil Kris cliffhanger was revealed to be a fake-out, but next chapter it revealed to be a reverse-fake-out, but then it was actually a fakeout again, etc.
>>729235815Tobby is not the kind of man that writes a straight (laughs) forward story
The Knight is future Kris. I refuse to explain.
>>729236149If Deltarune was written by the FNAF guy, who would be the Knight?
>>729236306The Knight is Kris without the time travel shit
>>729236119Can you imagine being Toby and checking in on the fandom three months after Chapter 2 and instead of people talking about what the fuck is going on with Kris, everyone's obsessed with some throwaway bullshit lines you gave Spamton
>>729235815>seething about anime out of nowherehmm
>>729236273to be doubly fair, didn't toby reveal somewhere that the "kris just went to eat the pie" fakeout was a fan idea that he thought was funny so he added it?i might be making shit up though.
>>729236318Chara. This is the level of slop you'd expect
>>729236306I too play video gamed
>>729235815Kris, I know you hate anime, but you don't have to sperg out like this.
>>729235939Both Noelle being 16 (triggers the same response as 4 chapters) and "next day" being "when the heroes appeared at worlds edge" are true.
>>729235815anime website
>>729235306Wait, is Ralsei Kris' shadow? Like both his literal and psychological shadow. That could be why Ralsei is in every dark world and is special and always seems to appear from nowhere. He is LITERALLY made of pure darkness.
>>729236498don't you get the same response no matter how many years you put in up to a point?i went to go look it up on the response doc but apparently they just condensed all the year responses into "___ years" when i swear there was a cutoff, so idfk anymore
>>729236092>subverts the player's expectationsThis sentence is the fucking cancer. An expectation is there because people are logical animals and can expect something with logical evidence. To willingly subvert that expectation means nothing that happened before matters. It's led to so many stupid fucking parallel universe or time travel stories. And the audience wanting nothing to matter before is so fucking stupid. Flowey is the Dreemurrs' child come the fuck on.I don't know anybody who likes Undertale/Deltarune (or Homestuck) in real life, I legitimately worry about meeting a big fan because they might be fucking stupid as shit.
>>729235815Kris is a self-hating weeb who loved doing weeb shit with Asriel, Noelle and Dess until Dess got lost and Alphys is cringe incarnate.
>>729236769>I don't know anybody who likes [...] Homestuck in real lifeI'd bet good money you do. You just don't know it.
>>729236712>Kingdom Hearts
>>729236769Flowey = Asriel is actually a good example of a FNAF twist. Predicting it ahead of time requires being completely unhinged.
>>729236453>i fucking hate these nerds so much
>>729236749You get "The first time she smiled since she was a child" if you input 5-11 yearsYou get "The first time she smiled in her entire life" if you input 16 yearsAny other specific number of years gives you the generic "What are you getting at?" response
>>729235815DessKnighters are becoming mighty annoying.
>>729237109>DessKnightersYou mean the entire fanbase?
>>729236906>Flowey = Asriel is actually a good example of a FNAF twistFNAF twists were Scott making shit up as he goes along, that's not comparable to a late reveal in the story that's hard to predict because it's relying on information you didn't learn until much laterThere was foreshadowing for Flowey = Asriel, you just won't realize it the first time through because you don't have context
>>729237008>gives you the yes optioncloset weeb.
>>729237008Just out of pure spite and lols Kris will date Berdly on Ch5
>>729233742>susie fights kris in the normal route after realizing he’s working with the knight>susie fights kris in the weird route after realizing (YOU) are using kris to manipulate Noelle Sucks to suck
Plapping the Does
>>729236423The Knight DOES use similar attacks to No More Deals Chara...
>>729237157Yes, that works, too.
>>729237418The whole knight fight is like a fangame fightTobby has been checking on everyone
deltarune com/chapter5;)
>>729237109>KrisKnightkeks are STILL coping
>>729237502That's because the creator of the Red fangame was mostly responsible for the Knight fight. Taxiderby, I think.
>>729236769>Flowey is the Dreemurrs' child come the fuck on.... what? That was foreshadowed plenty well. It wasn't a "subversion", especially not for no reason. Do you genuinely believe time travel and parallel universe plots emerge from a desire to "subvert expectations"? What the hell are you??
>>729237637cut em some slack, they've been reduced to crying about third entities and kris' shadow
>>729237637Dess Knight and Kris Knight are brother theories at this point, dude. Especially with the whole "Dess has Kris' soul" shit.
>>729235815This is what I was complaining about yesterday. People are so caught up in the obvious answer to the Knight that not only do they refuse to consider other answers, they attack others that do.I will now go back to theorizing about the relationship between Noelle, her psyche, and Friend with the idea that Friend is Noelle's shadow in mind since it could finally fully explain her actions if she is the Knight.
>>729237731>I was completely wrong and owned but I'm basically still right, bro>Especially with the whole [headcanon]
>>729237752you could have had a point if you didn't go for noelle knight
FRIEND is Noelle's shadow.The Roaring Knight is Kris's shadow and Dess's frozen corpse puppeteered by Kris's soul...
>>729237856Glad you agree ;)
The Knight is a third party whom Kris and the mayor are cooperating with and not a secret identity.
>>729238018and yet Kris isn't the knight
>>729238052>this mysterious character is actually a nobody :^)That's the worst solution.
>>729237215kris is tsundere for anime, how ironic
>>729238078Kris's SOVL will be.
>>729237869The point stands even if you don't agree with me. It's like how Kris Knighters were very belittling in the chapter 2 era but in a new flavor.>>729238052If that was true Kris wouldn't try his hardest to stop us from seeing the Knight remove its helmet.
So why was kris so rattled after the spamton fight?First I figured he was just a regular kid that got spooked by getting a death threat, but then it gets revealed he is a sandbagging piece of shit that works for the knight and could have solo'd him.
>>729238240It means Kris will fucking die if we lose complete control over them and Kris doesn't want to show their powerlevel around us
>>729238240He sympathized with Spamton's desire to stop being a puppet. Kris has little agency and is manipulated by Carol / the soul / the prophecy.
>>729238240Working with the Knight doesn't include doing the extra bosses, so Kris find these shadow crystal bosses intriguing, even the mantle says he is interested in them
>>729238240Kris related to Spamton since both follow a voice on the phone. Kris is worried he will end like him if the phone voice is gone.
>>729235815Aang is based for that though, anyone could have learnt that from the spirits, the difference is that Aang is completely morally and spiritually incorruptible, which is how he is able to use the bending to seal Ozai instead of Ozai corrupting himOnce again childrens TV defeating /v/ pseuds
>>729238364Why does he dislike us so much I dodn't even mindbreak and rape noelle.Maybe I should if he is gonna treat me like a villain.
>>729238240>why does a guy who’s being manipulated by a person on a phone get spooked when another guy who got manipulated by a guy on a phone gets his strings cut and fucking dies
>>729237776What if Dess decided to be the Knight after seeing Asriel kissing Bratty lmao
