When I play Dark Souls or Skyrim or other such RPGs, I make ONE character and with that character I do EVERYTHING. I level every stat, unlock every skill, obtain every item, and complete every questline. I don't care if it makes me overleveled for PvP.I don't care if some faggot thinks I shouldn't be able to become the Archmage of Winterhold and the Thieves Guild Master at the same time.I don't know why the fuck people insist on locking themselves to one archetype and one playstyle for a whole playthrough, and force themselves to start over from scratch everytime they want to try something new.>hmm today i will be an elf mage and i will ONLY do elf mage things>*gets bored and drops it after 3 hours*>okay this time i will be an orc berserker and i will ONLY do orc berserker things>*gets bored and drops it after 15 minutes*Yeah no fucking wonder.And then those same idiots insist that devs should make it so you CAN'T experience everything in a single playthrough, and you should be FORCED to start over if you want to try a different playstyle or join a different faction. Because that's "good game design" apparently, and it gives the game "replayability"Fuck those people.Replayability should be optional, not mandatory.If I can only experience 20% of the content per playthrough, your game is fucking shit.
>>729183083>Replayability should be optional, not mandatory.I agree.But usually the amount of new content you get on replays is massively overstated.Souls games especially, you are playing the exact same game, and builds aren't mechanically different enough to change your actual playstyle all that much.
>>729183083>Plays RPGs>Hates RP
>I simply MUST experience every little morsel of content in this game, no matter the quality or relevanceI hate contentfags. Go play fucking AssCreed and collect 200 pigeon droppings or whatever.
I do both. I start the game as 1 thing, and when the main story kicks in around level 30 I use that as an excuse for the power fantasy to begin.
Builds are honest roleplaying. If you don't do "builds" or want to max everything, that can be your fun and fine, but it's dishonest.
>>729184526I roleplay as the Chosen One who can do everything.
>>729183502It's bait, he mentioned skyrim as "class rpg" when skyrim is contentslop where you can became archmage of wizzard school despite not knowing almost any spell, became leader of fighter guild despite barely being able to lift sword or leader of thieves guild depite being dogshit at stealing. also game have no classes since you know 2 basic spells, can use any weapons badly and can steal badly on level 1.If skyrim even had classes it would require you to have some skill in magic before you became fucking archmage
>>729183083>i want to experience everything a game has to offer in a single playthroughgo play platformerscollect every single emerald in a classic sonic game, make it to the end, and call it therebetter yet, play a game that doesn't have much content to begin with so you can experience all of it easilymaybe tic-tac-toe is more your speed
>>729183083Are you non white perchance?
>>729185184You are exactly the kind of retard I'm talking about in the OP>NOOOO YOU CAN'T DO EVERYTHING IN ONE SKYRIM PLAYTHROUGH BECAUSE...... YOU JUST CAN'T!!!Go make a new character and escape from Helgen again, dipshit. Have fun spamming iron daggers to increase your Smithing again.
>>729183083>I make ONE character and with that character I do EVERYTHING. I level every stat, unlock every skill, obtain every item, and complete every questline.yep that's skyrim, there are no builds in the game unless you install dozens of mods
>>729185527>Go make a new character and escape from Helgen againNot only are you retarded, but you're also a console kiddie?
>>729183083>NOOOOOO I SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE HECKIN EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE IN MY POWER FANTASY SLOP!!!!!Fuck off faggot, you're the reason everything shitty stat building game is considered a RPG despite having no role playing in it. This is the type of retard Bethesda caters to.
>>729183083Builds are what you focus on first. If I play a mage to level 40 and then start working on warrior and theif skills because my mage skills are maxed out, I am still a mage at heart. Leveling everything equally is full retard tier.
>>729185527Nothing you do in skyrim matters anyway so why bother? It's mod engine pretending to be game.
>>729183083based postbuild variety is a meme in any game that isn't monster hunter (before GU and world, idk what's going on with the slop games) and that game doesn't restrict you with skill tree or stat allocation slopbased post. bump
>>729183083levelling every stat in Dark Souls is genuinely low IQ. That isn't a game you can just do that in. Unless you want to do terrible DPS
I see the ToddBots are progressing nicely
>>729185773nice samefag OP. Totally sounds genuine.
>>729185901nah stay mad tranny. I don't even play slop games like Skyrim because they're movie games at their essence like the majority of RPGs. OP's point is still valid fuck I hate rpg slop
>>729186117You just hate RPGs. Play a different genre. Its not made for you.
>build choices dont matter>faction choices dont matter>quest options dont matterwhy even play the game at that point? just watch a movie. The strength of open world RPGs is how you can interact with the world and make choices, if none of those choices matter then you arent really interacting with the world you are just observing stuff happen. You are basically advocating for movie games while calling people stupid for not wanting movie games.
>>729183083in Skyrim you have to build, because of enemy scaling. past level 20 enemies can damn near one shot you, if you don't build properly
>you mean i have to think about something? hmm sounds like slop to me, i shouldnt have to think i should just unga bunga auto pilot through the game, if my 84 IQ has a hard time then the game is flawed and is slopyou are now aware that the words "slop" and "boring" are primarily used by low IQ cretins.
dark souls mechanics enable buildsit allows you to be creative while being expressive; creating a build is not inherently tied to content as all items carry over with new game +The Elder Scrolls does not enable builds and content is inherently tied to item rewards such as scaled rewards, late game rewards, and craftables even having an opinion on this is incorrect. This isn't a community optimizing the fun out of something this is a game design question of: what can I do this game?
>>729186329>"mattering" means exclusivity>[thing] is only good if it means you can't do [other thing]retarded mentality
>>729185657>t. reinstalls skyrim every year to try a meme build then uninstalls after 2 hours once the novelty wears off
>>729186603its like taking away aiming from a first person shooter. Imagine if it didnt matter where your gun was pointing, all the enemies on your screen just die. Thats not much of a game. But here you are clapping like a seal and saying its awesome how it doesnt matter because you just want a movie game.
>>729186329Skyrim has great gameplay.
>>729187032
>>729186942no it isn't and your comparison is retarded.i don't want to have 3 separate characters for 3 separate factions, it's as simple as that.i don't want to have 15 separate characters for 15 different "builds".i don't want to have to replay the entire game multiple times and grind every fucking skill again just to do a different questline or try a different playstyle. not even YOU enjoy doing that.
>>729183083the annoying thing with builds is needing to play the game once without knowing what is actually useful so you end up with a shit character until a second playthough, and generally I don't have patience to play games twice
>>729187152>i don't want to have 3 separate characters for 3 separate factions, it's as simple as that.then dont and just accept that you cant do every quest for every faction when one of those factions quests is murdering the other faction and vice versa.>i don't want to have 15 separate characters for 15 different "builds".then dont. do you have OCD where you have to experience every little thing in every game?>i don't want to have to replay the entire game multiple times and grind every fucking skill againEasy there little guy, you wouldnt need to grind every skill again to try a different playstyle you would be grinding different skills. DO you understand?
>>729187478>you will ONLY access 1/15th of the content and you WILL be happy
>>729186117>calling skyrim a movie gamebro what?
>>729183083>jack of all trades>master of none
>>729187937Name single fucking game where build locks you out of most content instead of diferent flavor of melee weapon or damage type spell.>oh no I played one handed sword guy now I must create new character end finish entire game as 2 handed axe guyBuilds change nothing lol but if you are so butthur learn to use consol or get cheats.
OP is a retard who doesn't know what he likes or dislikes. You still play a quintessential 'build'. Whenever you imagine your character, you still fit him into a certain archetype. That archetype is your build. That doesn't mean you have to level skill 1 x amount of times before leveling skill 2 y amount of times etc. It's just *who* your character is.
>>729183083>I DON'T WANT TO CHOOSE BETWEEN RED, GREEN OR BLUE!! I WANT TO MIX THEM ALL TOGETHER AND BE POOP BROWN!!o-okay anon, have fun I guess?
>>729188205My character is a warrior when I feel like it, a mage when I feel like it, a thief when I feel like it, and a mix of all three when I feel like it.Is that a "build"? Because the RPG fundamentalists seething ITT would disagree.
>>729183083Of course you can level everything because the game allowed you to do it. Skyrim doesn't have proper builds, it's casualized normgroid slop for retarded faggots like you.
>>729183083>endless options for build>end up doing default white, warrior, strength build
It’s weird because Oblivion had a class system
>>729188290Nerds would call that a spellsword or some shit like that.The point is that you still have a certain image of your character and who he is; unless you're literally switching personalities on the fly.
>>729188209>i'm bored of being red, i want to be green>i must now sit through 20 hours of repetitive tedium that i already completed in my previous playthrough just so i can become green
>>729183083This game seems cool but I just end up pressing R1 over and over it gets old. Too easy.
>>729188290>RPG fundamentalists seething ITT would disagreeyou're such a victim
>>729188505>wanting it to be funCringe normie.
>>729183083Skyrim is not a very good example of an RPG
>>729183083The problem with games that allow you to do everything is that all the different systems are often shallow and unremarkable. You can very clearly see this in Skyrim for example, it's all shallow and wide as fuck. Nothing has depth and complexity to it, because the assumption is that the player will do a bit of everything and won't commit to anything in particular, so nothing is given proper depth and complexity to sink your teeth into.Games that make the player commit to a class also have to commit to giving each class enough meat on its bones for it to be interesting, fun and engaging on its own because they can't afford to have the player get bored after 2h, since the player will just drop the game. I would much rather have classes designed like this than the grey slop that Skyrim and other such games easily devolve into because nothing on its own is truly interesting enough.
>>729189252The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is primarily a Fantasy Open-World Role-Playing Game (RPG), blending vast exploration, deep lore, and character progression with action-adventure gameplay from a first or third-person perspective, featuring medieval fantasy elements like dragons, magic, and dungeons. While it's a classic RPG, it also fits into subgenres like Western RPG, Action RPG, and Sandbox RPG, known for its massive world and freedom to play as desired.Hope this helps.
in my opinion, builds are the thing that makes an rpg an rpg. i dont think you can call a game an rpg if it doesnt have builds.
>>729189325>brownoid copy pastes an AI summary>thinks this somehow proved anythingdios mio...
>>729183083OP is a Gook who reads Manwha and his bait sucks
>>729189325Skyrim is theme park focused on exploration of big map where you play no role and nont single thing you do matter and nobody in game world care. "Deep lore" is thing that was written decade earlier for morrowind and now is shallow copy because noone in bethesda cared. Character progression can be summarised as damage numbers going up because that's entire progression system in skyrim. Best thing you can do in this shallow excuse of a game is spawn 500 items with console command and see it roll down, or just play with 100+ overhaul mods that fix every single mechanic and 1000+ more smaller mods +quests mods.
>>729183083I love builds.Having to make decisions and choose between different options, trying to balance the individual levers and knobs you have to achieve a certain level of capability while making your concept work, that's the shit.
>>729189252>>729189325Bidet’d him in the fucking face.
>>729183083Anons will disagree with OP when the most popular RPGs here are ones where builds don't matter
>>729189325>>729189710epic samefag once again OP
>>729189785What rpg's are those?
OP had brainrot and personality issues insecurity You're supposed to know yourself and pick your style, it should be right away.
>>729189892All the Bethesda shit that is posted every 5 mins like this thread
>>729183083Sometimes it's fun to play a character with specific strengths and weaknesses in an RPG, because that creates emergent gameplay in the form of problem solving.Name a game where you can only experience 20% of the "content" per playthrough because of specialization. You had better not be implicitly invoking Morrowind in your OP rant, that and Oblivion have even less of a concept of "builds" than Skyrim does.
>>729189325Kek
>>729189991One that are praised for being rpg like Morrowind and Oblivion had classess.Bethesda shit isn't spamed because of it's compelling story or gameplay because both are shit, but because of mods, nobody plays this skyrim or fallout without like 500 mods that overhaul everything and add new story. Most talked fallout is NV because it had story and builds.Well in case of skyrim it's mostly porn mods...
>>729183083"builds" have always existed you just don't like knowing what meta is or playing meta because it's optimal. nobody is asking you to play optimal in any game. i play off builds to high ranks or for fun all the time
>>729183083I could never get into Skyrim. Is it worth it in 2025? Does it hold up?
>>729190181class doesn't matter in morrowind outside of the expansionsclass only matters in oblivion in the late game because it is badly designed
>>729183083Are you really confused about why someone would roleplay in a roleplaying game?I know that Skyrim is not a great example of RPG but still.Well, at least in Skyrim you get more skills by using them, so i guess you could roleplay as a training autist that wants to master every craft out there.
>>729190181Classes that don't matter. Skyrim ironically is more restrictive than those two. NV is casual faggot shit that's extremely easy to pivot to perfect stats with majority of the perks being bloat. It's only liked because want to pretend they didn't enjoy Fallout 3
>>729190282just play elden ring
>>729190282>Is it worth it in 2025?It wasn't worth it in 2011. It's not a game it's mod engine pretending to be game.Nobody plays unmodded skyrim because they could do things that are more fun like CBT.Real question is do you know what mods you want to run skyrim with?
>>729190282Its great. One of the most influential games of the 2010s. I'd try it out vanilla, and then mod the shit out of it once you get bored. No one really makes games like Bethesda.
>>729190558>>729190652What’s the best mod?
>>729183083Trying to play Dark Souls without focusing your stats is auto sabotage
>>729190731SkyUI + anything by EnaiSiaion
>>729190731Porn ones, they add sex, rape, lolis and prostitution.Of course UI mods are mandatory since UI sucks, well entire gameplay sucks, this is why almost everyone plays as stealth archer because it sucks slightly less but makes your game take 4 times longer than it should.
>>729190930> stealth archerSee that might be a problem. I ain’t really the pussyfootin’ kind. I’m the kick in the front door and swing my ultra greatsword until everyone in the room is done.
>>729190282Do you want to be a wizard? I think that the Magic in skyrim is one of the only good things about the game. If you are into Necromancy, Skyrim is one of the few games out there that allows you to bring back dead enemies as allies. And mods obviously expand that.
Roleplaying is the best way to play Skyrim. My necromancer that only used conjuration spells was so much fun.
>>729190930gross incel
>>729190930Where do you even find loli mods anyway? I am new to modding so the only sites i know is Nexus and Loverslab.
>>729183083The cancers of RPGs as of today:- low XP gain due to boosters in the store- new game+- multiple endings for which alternative runs are not needed (think good vs evil campaigns in old rts instead of today's pick these 3 choices for ending A, collect 9999999 sand piles for ending B, finish the game in new game++ ultra hardcore mode in under 1 hr for ending C, the true ending)- single player balance patches- survival type gameplay fit for survival games only (hunger, sleep, crafting etc are almost a must, constantly interrupting gameplay)- higher difficulties are hard gate kept by gear level (bypass possible via store)- internet connection needed- overly sterilized (too many immune NPCs, hard and soft locks by actions or lack of money/potions are treated as bugs and "Fixed" pre-launch, can't do any no-no that the dev's real life thinking may disagree with etc. - think the "Outlaws" part applied in-game in Star Wars Outlaws for example)
>>729186117If Automata had some enemy designers and it wasn't stuck on consoles it could have had really amazing gameplay. The built variety is technically pretty great but pointless to think much about since it's a simple beat em up. The only depth was in the DLC where it gets pretty hard and forces you to optimize your shit but even then it's just numbers basically.
>>729191061Skyrim's combat system consist of left click for attack, hold left click for strong attack and right click for blocking or strike with second weapon if dual wielding. Progression system and leveling only make numbers go up, so diference between newbie swordsman at level 15 of two handed and master swordsman with level 100 in twohanded is that level 100 do more damage.Archers can get zoom and slow mo while aiming, it's not much but it's way more than anything other combat skills get. Magic also sucks major balls.>>729191131>I think that the Magic in skyrim is one of the only good things about the game.Magic sucks balls, destruction have low fucking damage, summoning allows you to either summon weapons(yay) or not very strong creature and you can get total of 2 on level 100. restoration is just healing and scaring low level undead, alteration is just armor buffs and spell defence that will drain your magicka before enemy even charge his spell and illusion I guess is kinda fine but most spell don't work on enemies that have any real level so in the end it's still useless exept invisibility that works only for stealth.
>>729191657Is Elden ring better? >>729191590>new game+Good one. It’s like they want to make people stuck in the dopamine loop instead of completing the game and moving on with your life.
>>729191590>- low XP gain due to boosters in the storeAs someone who only plays older as in pre 2020 games, there are single player rpg's with in game store?- new game+Never saw appeal of going into new game with all your endgame stuff but now all your endgame stuff sucks balls because enemy scaling caught up and your starting eq is no diferent from clean run.>multiple endings for which alternative runs are not needed Like Mass effect? That's not new, but agree that it sucks that no matter what you do entire game ending only depends on 1 final decision, older games had diferent paths and acts.>survival type gameplay fit for survival games only agree>higher difficulties are hard gate kept by gear level What?>internet connection neededthat's cancer for all modern games>overly sterilized agreeI would also add flacid combat, flacid character progression and it might not be a thing anymore but obsession about having biggest map on the market, bigest map yet that is boring end empty but hey it's big and looks nice from marketing standpoint.
>>729185527Are you esl or just retarded?>NOOOO YOU CAN'T DO EVERYTHING IN ONE SKYRIM PLAYTHROUGH BECAUSE...... YOU JUST CAN'T!!!He did not say anything that implied you couldn't do these things in one playthrough. He literally stated that you can do anything and how you built your character doesn't really matter. The only thing he said that could imply otherwise, was the idea that you would have to build up a skill prior to achieving something.
>>729183083I'm in the opposite camp, I wish these games had limited points to spend so the progression would require some thought and planning, that isn't to say that you shouldn't be able to change your build throughout the game, requiring players to start over from scratch isn't fun no matter how you slice it.
>>729183083That's because you're playing dog shit """RPGs""" that are really just power fantasy action games.
>>729183083I like when games let you do everything with a specific character. Have the mages ask the warrior guild for protection so my 2 handed character can do their quests. Being able to destroy the dark brotherhood is cool and we should have a similar thing for the thieves guild.
>>729183083They must really like the fucking cart scene holy shit.
>>729194156Name a good RPG.
>>729194156Baldur's Gate 1 & 2PS Torment Fallout 1 & 2UnderrailWasteland 2 & 3DA OriginsMorrowind
>>729190318You can roleplay different archetypes within the same savefile. You can just change your armor and your weapon and equip diferent spells and shit. You shouldn't need to start over.in a new game.
>>729183083restricting and/or forcing myself to try different playstyles is funit helps to keep the game from being stealth archer simulator
>>729183083>I make ONE character and with that character I do EVERYTHINGyes anon that's what 1.9 does for skyrim>I don't care if some faggot thinks I shouldn't be able to become the Archmage of Winterhold and the Thieves Guild Master at the same timenothing stopped you from doing this in even in vanilla
>>729185607not only that, he doesn't even play skyrim>>729185527>go spam iron daggers to level smithing againwhen that hasn't been viable for YEARS
>>729194156>>729195445samefag
>>729195803No shit retard, this post >>729195445 was meant for >>729195304
>>729194086Fuck your "thought", fuck your "planning", I don't want to be punished with the obligation of starting over if I make a choice that I might regret 2 months from now because I committed the horrible criminal offence of wanting to try a different playstyle in the game that I bought.
>>729195919Autism.
>>729195445>Morrowindpower fantasy action game>PS Torment >DA Originspower fantasy rtwp games
>>729192403Yes dumbfuck and I'm saying that's a good thing about Skyrim and the people complaining about it because "muh choices don't matter" are a bunch of cocksuckers.
stealth archer. nothing else beats it
>>729183292>Souls gamesAt some point I say fuck it and overlevel.
>>729196084I explicitly stated in my post that you shouldn't be required to restart in order to try different builds, maybe read the whole post before replying next time.
>>729196168The cowardly play style.
>>729183083
>>729195623>when that hasn't been viable for YEARSIt was viable when I did it, and I never had to do it again because guess what, I have ONE fucking Skyrim character only that I've used for years, unlike all you faggots in the "build" community who had to come up with different meta strategies to speedrun through the early game 5000 times as fast as possible so you could get to the part where you finish your half-assed little builds.
>>729196472why do you keep pretending that anyone plays Skyrim like that?
>>729196472Do you ever beat the game in Skyrim or there is online?
>>729197368it's purely single player.there's a main storyline that ends when you beat the final boss but you can keep playing after that to do the remaining sidequests and level up your character as you please.there's no ng+ or anything like that.
>>729183083>hmm, today i will be choosen one>*gets bored and drops it after 100000 hours of grinding*
>>729183292>Souls games especially, you are playing the exact same gameDS2's NG+ system was fantastic, though. There are NG+ exclusive items, chest contents improve, more NPC phantoms invade, and bosses drop new souls for new boss weapons. You could also level a single area to NG+ or NG++ in regular NG if you use an item.
>>729183083playing a build is so much more fun. is the game really an RPG anymore if you are just the god king who does everything and is the best at everything. limitations make it more fun
>>729198394>limitations make it more funOnly if you're 100% confident in your decision of sticking to one choice forever and being fine with not having access to all the options you're missing out on.
>>729185527>what is immersionretard bait
Souls and TES are like this way because they're primarily designed for singleplayer without any party members, there is no reason to lock the player character into a specific role/build if there aren't any party members to synergize with.
>>729198512usually just go in with a few goals in mind, my character is a cleric, i will hunt down the daedric artifacts and destroy them, i will help the divines, when im done with those quests play another character or another game w/e. everyone does the dragonborn main quest first usually and is "that guy" the replay ability is in the builds and being different characters, making different choices etc. but desu skyrims choices are often pretty shallow
>>729183083You are a faggot and I hate everything you stand for. A game is not about taking a guided tour of every piece of "content" and then moving on.
>>729185560>there are no builds in the gameyou make your own build Anon, the problem is that people like you min max everything and then complain the game is too easy
>>729198820The lady with the big boobs is my favorite class
>>729198754A game is about fun. Getting locked out of things isn't fun, and giving up all your progress just so you can have another chance to experience those things isn't fun either.
>>729199894Is it really that big of a deal if you miss out on a few quests or dialog options?
>>729191061Skyrim is pretty good for that. There's even a perk that lets you hit everyone in front of you with one swing.
>>729197368There's no online mode, but there are endless mods.
>>729198820God I love that lady barbarian...
kek
>>729183083to combat your retarded way of playing games, i think devs should make games "shorter" but have more endings, optional content, branching content, and be more punishing on players who "fuck up" their builds. the game should be highly replayable but it should not take me long to get through a single playthrough. i don't need to see everything in a single playthrough because i know i am going to play it again.
>>729183083>I shouldn't be able to become the Archmage of Winterhold and the Thieves Guild Master at the same time.You should but it's a lot of work
>>729201459>wanting it to be fun
>>729188179System ShockDeus ExArcanumFallout 1/2PreyBasically most crpgs and some immersive sims
>>729186446>Skyrim>Hard past level 20Are you being serious right now? Skyrim is notorious for getting easier as you gain more levels that wanting to hit the soft cap of 81 gets hard because the game gets too easy. It's the levels up to 20 that are the hardest where you have far less options and stats to do much of anything particularly well.
>>729185064this.>start bethesda game>~>tgmits really that easy.
>>729183446ARPGs*
>>729183932same, and skyrim is the perfect game for it. once you are revealed to be dragonborn, all bets are off - your power level is basically "yes"
don quixote fighting windmills. who the fuck is op even arguing with
