So we can all agree that Persona 3 reload is the definitive way to play Persona 3 in spite of its handful of flaws?
For most people, yes.
P3 Reload is better than every other version of P3's best features combined.The game is massively improved in all facets, including things like the dorm lighting.The ONLY criticism I have of Reload is that Makoto's new convo portrait eyes look too full of life and light.
>>729192307This moment that filtered DSP and made him ragequit the whole game is impossible in Reload, so it's casual shit.
>>729192829I wish Reload let you use ALL weapon types so I could use fists and big swords, but not a big deal since past the middle of the game you're rarely ever using your weapon to begin with.
I'll always prefer FES solely for only controlling the MC.
>>729193456You can do that in all Persona games if you want. 5 and 3R just have manual control on by default. Same tactics menu and all.
>>729193603The AI is significantly nerfed because the later games expected you to use manual control.
>>729193693Not really. If anything it's easier than FES where your teammates were completely fucking retarded on anything that wasn't a full moon boss because the "conserve SP" part of their code makes them do stupid shit that winds up wasting more SP in the long run.Not that it matters, they're all easy games.
>>729193975Buddy if you clearly don't know what you're talking about then you shouldn't speak in the first place.
>>729192307No.
>>729192850>No more bullshit charm garbage.i will now play Reload. Thx for convincing me my duuude!!
>>729194238Ah yes, the witty dismissive smug remark.I know precisely what I'm talking about. I put up with it for three FES playthroughs. Do not talk to me from a decade long nostalgia trip, child.
>>729193603That's just a lie. Assign Target, Knock Down, Same Target, and Attack Fallen, and Stand By outright don't exist in P5 and Reload.Besides that, the AI in Reload doesn't even know how to Shift or use support skills no matter what Tactics they're on, basic game mechanics are impossible to use if you use Tactics. Every line of dialogue about Tactics is also cut from Reload, so the game no longer acknowledges it exists outside of one tutorial. Don't pretend the mechanic wasn't removed from the game just because technically it's still there in some tiny way.
>>729194238He's right.The AI in FES was terrible even when set to the "proper" suggestions.Doesn't help that some of the tactics commands were mistranslated, leading to them being used wrong
>>729194521I'll never understand you tactics fags.>URRRGGH THE GAME WON'T PLAY ITSELF FOR ME IT'S CASUALIZEDoh no you actually have to fucking think for once now.
>>729194521When someone is this brazen despite being so ignorant, it's better to ignore them entirely. Don't waste your time on that retard.
>>729194238I played The Answer twice in p3fes. Party AI was shit.
>>729194701The original devs say it's the wrong way to experience the game. Literally "it would have been wrong for this game." What more is there to understand?>for onceWhat, you want a unique and different RPG experience to "for once" be THE SAME as every other turn-based RPG instead?
>>729195102Oh you're a troll. Nevermind, carry on.
>>729195102This isn't even talking about giving your party direct commands.It's about how you don't choose which Persona they use and don't control what their Persona learns for attacks.In previous games, you controlled those aspects of your party members.
>>729195359He posted that image in the last thread too, pretty sure he's that tripfag who uses chatGPT to come up with replies for him. He fundamentally misunderstands whole parts of arguments and asks an AI to do it for him. It's not worth engaging with him.
Reload is literally the worst version of the game.
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>>729195573>thirdie who can only emulate FES and P3P mad about ReloadHappens more often than you think
>>729195913Reload will get de-denuvo'd and /v/ will call it the best persona game, watch.
>>729195169Nope. That's my actual opinion. FES is a more unique and interesting experience that more accurately represents the game's artistic vision. I'm not even saying that makes it a better game, since it might not for some people.>>729195359Read the rest. In the line before, yes, they're talking about Personas, but the overall point they're talking about is how much the characters feel like "other people". If you're literally controlling them in battle the same as yourself, how are they "other people"?>>729195571You have schizophrenia.
I see a fellow tactics bro is getting shit on so I'll step up with my anonymous oppinion. I like tactics more than direct control. I would actually like it if more games tried this system instead of letting me make the decisions for every single action my party members take. As the leader I should be able to make suggestions but I want more organic scenarios you just don't see in most 4 niggas in a row games. I'll put it this way it is much more hype when Akihiko crits 3 enemies in a row into an all out attack then it would be if I was in control. I want Junpei to make mistakes but come in clutch when it matters. I want Akihiko to be reckless, ect. It's more or less a roleplay thing so if you like to roleplay in roleplaying games ai tactics provide a very unique and exciting experience. If you are easily frustrated by the shortcomings of others then Tactics probably aren't for you. Luckily basically every JRPG under the sun caters to the hardcore micro managers.
>>729196000>If you're literally controlling them in battle the same as yourself, how are they "other people"?Yeah, and in every other JRPG ever made, your party members aren't "other people" either because you're controlling them directly too? Is that it?Just admit you're a disingenuous shitposter who thinks with his feelings and not logic. You like FES better, that's fine. But you're jumping through insane hoops trying to justify it.I'd respect you a whole heck of a lot more if you were less of a bitch about this.
>>729196197I spent almost every Boss battle in FES using a Persona that was best at mitigating the shortcomings of my party, rather than being good vs the boss itself.I am a tactics hater. It's bad, and all it does is make me dislike the party members because of terrible decisions.It is fun to watch my daughter play though. She took an interest in Persona with 5. But she then sought out and played P1,2IS, and EP, P3P, and is currently playing Golden. She chooses to use AI tactics for teammates because she likes it. She is however, still very bad at RPGs.
>>729196527Your daughter is based, though I agree tactics aren't all that fun. I did manage to eke out some enjoyment from FF12 but purely on a "that was a fun experiment, let's never do that again" sort of way.
>>729196756At least with FF12 there's a decently robust system that lets you set desired behaviors.I think people would look more favorably on Persona AI tactics if it had something like the gambit system
>>729196527I do wish Atlus still supported ai tactics. They give you the option but it's so gimped in P4 onward that it's a mystery why they even bothered. There is a nice difficulty mod for P3R that I use which overhauls the tactics ai to be a functional way to play the game. The only problem you will run into is if you enter a fight with prior knowledge of the enemies weaknesses and resistances you will need to demonstrate it to their faces what the enemies affinities are.
>>729192307If you have brain damage, yeah
>>729195359>it also allowed us to show off the improved AI. It would have been extra cool if the party members had been completely free of player control, but we knew that would be pushing it a bit too far, so we gave the player control over their equipment at least.There, since you can't seem to read otherwise.
>>729192307Reload is Persona 3 without the soul
yes. i don't play fucking persona to be challenged, i play it for everything else. only controlling one party member also isn't the fun kind of challenge, it's gay as fuck
>>729197115Reload is more challenging than FES though.The Answer was the one difficult part of P3 to begin with.
>>729197056I really don't care what the character artist has to say about gameplay mechanics.So I only read Hashino's response
>>729196332>Yeah, and in every other JRPG ever made, your party members aren't "other people" either because you're controlling them directly too? Is that it?Yes, in FF7, it feels a like I'm playing mainly as Cloud but also kind of Tifa and Barret sometimes. If you asked me if Tifa was a playable character in FF7, I'd say yeah, kind of. If you asked me if Yukari was a playable character in P3 FES, I'd say no, not really, you never control her. Is your argument that there's no difference and it doesn't make P3 unique?I'm not even saying FES is objectively better in every way, so I don't know what your problem is. Just say, "yeah, it's unique, but I think it's uniquely shit" and be done with it, what's the issue?
>>729197178Sleeping Table
>>729197393Don't forget Cid bro.
>>729197393it's not that unique, FF12 released a few months before P3.There's a few old JRPGs where you only control the protagonist.I don't think the AI tactics mechanic in FES was completely horrible, it just wasn't executed super well. Bad translations of the tactics menu didn't help.
>>729197412is that fight supposed to have been difficult?
>>729197412Don't deadname him. It's Terminal Table now.And he ONLY knows Hamaon now. Please do not equip a null Light Persona and then Rush him to death. Respect his lack of Megidola and pretend Reload is somehow harder than FES because of Tactics.
>>729192307>implying anyone would bother with emulator after reload released
>>729197994>protag knows Medirama>Sleeping table is now completely irrelevant woahSaki Mitama made that fight just as pathetic in FES
>>729197690Yeah, PS2 was sort of an experimental era for JRPGs. I think AI-controlled party members doesn't necessarily make the game harder, but players just tend to get extremely aggravated if a game's AI performs suboptimal actions. Like when you take direct control away from the player, then anything less than optimal becomes varying levels of unforgivable. While the dev's intentions might have been to give the characters more personality even during gameplay and get the players to develop a new sort of appreciation for them, what actually ends up happening is that players start to see the characters as retarded and undeserving of affection.It also doesn't help that the default "free action" option which, on paper, is supposed to give the characters the freedom to do what they feel is best, is always the WORST one. So letting the characters do what they want immediately teaches the player that these characters can't be trusted to make their own decisions. While the player CAN give the characters broad directives during their turn, this also limits their versatility while also preventing them from reacting the new developments. It's restricting while also, at times, making the characters feel even more stupid.This is probably why most devs, including Atlus, gave up on AI-controlled party members so quickly. The purpose was to make increase immersion and get the players to develop a new kind of appreciation for the characters. What it actually did was make 80% of players hate the characters and see them as retarded.
>>729192850LMAO, that was fantastic. I had a similar moment against one of the super bosses on the sun in DDS2, where one of my characters got charmed and hit the boss with a Diarahan. I was mad, but definitely not "shut down the system and never touch the game again" mad.
>>729192307You're coping because you didn't play the original.
>>729192307Yes actually. It makes no sense to want to play the PS2 or PSP version now.
>Aigis gets the cool Cu Chulainn + Scathach dual skill>MC just gets goofy sawbladesNo one likes Mithras.
>>729192307Yes
>OG faggots coming out of the woodwork to defend their slopHey numbskulls if the AI party members was soooooo important cause of muh lore and symbolism why did Atlus removed in every single report of the game? P3P has the manual control and now Reload tooYou're literally fighting ghosts cause not even the devs themselves care about it
Is the translation better this time? Does this version portray the characters’ personalities more accurately this time?
>>729202569>OG P3 made by the original devs, has Tactics>FES made by the original devs, keeps Tactics>P3P made by a different team, ditches Tactics>P3R made by a different team, ditches TacticsMakes sense to me.
>>729204153>Kept literally everything else from the old version, even Orpheus Telos>Only thing they ditched was the AI tactics It was a bad gameplay idea that's it
>Fool Personas can't learn Magic Mastery>Unique skills that were inheritable in the original game are no longer inheritable>Due to the way that Elizabeth works now, as well as skills like Resist/Null Phys, Orpheus Telos is no longer that special.>Orpheus, Thanatos and Messiah don't have cool Theurgies
>>729204153>It was done by the OG dev team so it's good and you NEED to like itsuck my dick fag.
>>729204954>>Unique skills that were inheritable in the original game are no longer inheritableI also don't like Diamond Dust over Niflheim. Niflheim had a much cooler animation.Magic Mastery also should have been an Orpheus Telos unique skill, not Victory Cry. It makes more sense that way.
>>729192307Digimon Story Time Stranger is a much better game
>>729204989>It was ported from P5 into Unreal Engine by a bunch of interns so it's good and you NEED to like itNot so fast, I can do it too.
>>729205226It's probably because they didn't want Magic Mastery to be so easy to get.
>>729202569Publisher's decisions overrtive developers decisions everytime
>>729205950>Massive multi-millionaire that created an entire artificial island.>Can't afford decent lighting.>Nobody wants to sit down to talk either.>Also shittier scriptThanks for providing me more proof Reload is better.
>>729192307No FES is still the best way.
Reload is the best experience if you only care about characters/story due to all the added character stories they added. Which is the majority of players. All the FESfags are utterly deluded if they actually think the casual audience cares about or wants to deal with fatigue and shit.
>>729206151Yes, the dorm not having decent lighting is exactly the problem. See how the lamps and candles have light around them in FES and P3P? And how they don't in Reload? Because there aren't any light sources placed there in the map. That's also why there are no shadows either. You're supposed to place lights in the map, and they cast light, which makes shadows, get it?I don't know why you think this is somehow a score for Reload.
>>729206678>caring about characters and story>playing a censored game with the portable scriptReload is the best experience if you're a braindead sheep. Which is the majority of players.
>>729206824>And how they don't in Reload?The dorm is better lit, that's what I'm saying. They don't have lights that are barely better than candles in Reload because they're funded by millionaires, it's more accurate.
>>729206904You keep calling it censored but when pressed you can only bring up the fact they removed a tranny like that's a bad thing.
>>729206904>censored????? literally fighting demons in your head
>>729207242>>729207256>ignoring the censored comment about light skin>ignoring the censored comment about boys protecting girlsYou retards can't do anything other than cope.
>>729205950Reload looks like a sims mod.
the dorm being dark looks stupid imagine the studying together scenes they have in reload and they'd do it in the fucking dark. would be retarded
>>729207526Yeah there was a very good reason they increased the brightness.
>>729192307No. MC is no longer a sociopath. FES > P3 probably, never played it > P3P >>> R.
>>729207767>never played it > P3P >>> R.You're an absolute retard, never post again.
>>729192307Corporate slop for kids who are too stupid to play games that don't treat them like idiots.
Would you fuck a clown?
>>729192307Yeah but it could have been better.
P3R is the best Persona game. Probably the only one you need to play honestly.
>>729207893I'm just assuming the A.I. and Tactics improvements they tout at the start of FES didn't improve the game *that* much.And yes, the Reload-MC caring about the coffins, his surrounding, consequences of actions, the people around him and not being a womanizer remove his sociopathy, that made him such an engaging protagonist.But I was comparing the games as a whole and then things like difficulty, Theurgy, tone, atmosphere, the animations and the rest enter the fray. MC's sociopathy just happens to be the biggest irritant for me.
>>729209117It's not a flawless game by any means, but it has a lot less wrong with it than FES.I also don't like the new anime cutscenes. The FES ones were poorly animated, but had way more emotional punch. All the Answer cutscenes in particular were excellent. Even so, I'll probably play Reload at least twice more in the coming years and FES never again (though I did get more than my share of time out of it by now anyway)
>>729209317The anime scene when they first get their new outfits is embarrassingly bad
>>729209117You can still date all the girls if you want to, they just made it optional like later games. Who cares.
>>729206824The light sources come from the ceiling. In P3R, they put ceiling lights all over the dorm. The lamps and shit are basically just decoration. Every ten or so square inches of the ceiling has a light on it.
The best version is the original because you were able to play it back in like 2006. That's when you played it, right?
>>729209639No I played it around 2009 because I got into the series with 4 first.
>>729209639>>729209760>Persona 3: 2006>Persona 4: 2008>Persona 5: 2015>Persona 6: 2033Why is modern gaming like this
I honestly don't know.On the one hand, P3R is objectively better gameplay wise however the original has that mid 00s soul which is vital for the story experience. Both have their clear strengths and weaknesses. Might be a tie for me.
i like p3p best because i can be a gigastacy and seduce a young boy
>>729209821i still believe they are going to do a Persona 5 remake before releasing 6
