nothing ever happens

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>>729195084
>0 balance Patches
Fuck off

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LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>729195512
Where's the rest of it?

>>729195643
anon...

>>729195372
Aren't Demoman and Soldier countered by Pyro?

>>729195512
>updated the fists of steel to use the RED team version for the BP image
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Never 4get

>>729195786
Well yes but actually no
Yes in the sense that Pyro can reflect their projectiles
No because the Pyro is still at the mercy of the Soldier and Demoman and has to make hard reads for close range reflects and will die if they guess wrong
The close range class can't be good at class range, after all

>>729195786
Yes, and arguably Scout if he's good and stays airborne.

>>729195786
Soft-countered, Pyro's still in danger if the explosives classes are feeling suicidal in close-quarters (willing to take self-damage with their primaries to get rid of you) and doesn't have any immediate answer to their specific weaponry if anybody involved has a shotgun

Obviously though this is just on-paper, it's going to come down to individual skill in literally any class matchup, a dumb Heavy will never win against a smart Scout

>>729195786
Nothing truly counters them because explosions are too good.

Why do 90% of spies use kunai and dead ringer? Why can't they use stock watch and Black Rose like a real man?

>>729195786
Depends how you define counter.

Pyro does have a mechanic that is specifically meant for dealing with them.

But if we're asking whether between two equally skilled players whether the one playing pyro would win. No he probably wouldn't.

>>729196518
Fear of consequences for bad play

>>729195786
Demo is countered by scout not pyro

>>729196010
jannies deleted it because they don't like competition

>>729198215
Kek

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>>729195786
>>729196020
Love the awkwardness of throwing off a Pyro who's just standing there waiting for me to shoot a rocket and fragging him when he gets impatient.

>>729198915
I get more Pyros that just mash m2 rather than actually waiting for a reflect or baiting one.

>>729198915
the 10 times when you can very easily bait a soldier as pyro make up for the 1 time you cannot

>>729195084
Did they fix it yet? My heart wants counter strike but my brain says "no" so maybe TF2 will fix it

Happy smissass to all and to all a good night

>>729196518
Because the skill ceiling is way higher and you can be much more aggressive

>>729201703
>skill ceiling
>backstab for free health, try to find the next guy
>if caught out just DR away
>repeat

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>no fixes for the Frontier sentry glitch

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>>729199994
>Not shooting you~
>Not shooting you~
YOUR FIRE-RETARDANT ASS JUST GOT DOMINATED

>>729195372
>Scout
>1 natural hardcounter
I know this pic is low IQ ragebait but this part is the one that shits me
like cunts never heard of Natascha before

>>729203663
Natascha is honestly not very good against scouts, and it’s definitely not a hard counter. In an open field it’s great area denial, but that just means the scout will choose flank routes in tight corridors instead (which is his bread and butter anyway), and then the slower spin up time means that if he catches you not wound up the scout is free to get two good meat shots in, and the 25% damage penalty guarantees he’s able to survive to give you two more.
Don’t get me wrong, it can still fuck up scouts who are caught out in the open, but the matchup is still no where near as imbalanced as say scout vs engineer where its absolutely no contest on who is going to be on top 9/10 times.

>>729195786
demoman fires faster than pyro can airblast with both his weapons and reflected stickies do jack shit if he doesn't det
soldier can just pick the most convenient moment to fight pyro with gunboats giving him insane mobility and there's a dozen ways to fake him out or fire at angles he can't reflect
the only class pyro consistently beats is spy

>>729206982
Even spy can counter pyro with a revolver, pyro is a shit class for shitters

>>729198915
deserved. they should be shooting you with something, not waiting.

>>729198915
>>729199994
>*stare at him*
>"no sir!"
>*rocket jump away*

>>729196010
i had to lower my liquor from my mouth 5 fucking times because I had to laugh again

>>729198915
From my experience as the Pyro it's one of these
>airblast rockets back, I hit, he dies
>airblast rockets back, I miss, we live, he or I fuck off
>airblast rockets back, I miss, I die
>"Oh? You're approaching me?" with him on m1 and me on m2
>both of us swap to shotgun and start blasting each other
The last two are when I know I've got an entertaining game happening. It's silent player and player interaction and I love it

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>>729208427
For me it's intentionally airblasting rockets into a wall and saying No at the soldier

>>729195786
doesn't counter them in 1v1s, but can definitely have a solid advantage depending on the situation and at least force the soldier/demo to retreat.
does counter them in group settings, a good pyro reflecting in the right situation is one of the largest value swings in the game outside of a well coordinated uber. Pyro is a support class.

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>>729199994
You are at the mercy of my loadout choice and your only saving grace is 1/10 soldiers are retarded and use gunboats/conch.

>>729195084
uncslop

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>HON HON HON HON
>I am FRENCH
>and I luv COCKS

>>729204624
Iunno what you're talkin about mate, I kill Scunts with Natascha all the time.
So many sweaties trying to be hot shit on Scout, Pyro and such that need to be put back in their place.
Funniest part is watching them realise they've fucked up, then trying to run away before I finish mowing them down.

>>729212406
The game is not made by AI, study the slang you're using and try again later.

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>>729195084
>Keep getting paired with shitter f2p garbages with 2 spy and 2 sniper
>Against 10k hour tryhard faggots
Seriously wtf is wrong with the matchmaking? No matter how well I do, I keep getting paired with shitters or just straight up losing team from the get go. It keep forcing me into 1/10 win/loss rate.

>>729212927
I would rather fight a heavy on natascha than stock 9 times out of 10. I am always taking a gamble on a stock heavy having slow reactions/aim to win. if he gets his crosshair on me for more than half a second even at medium distance scout evaporates. Natascha does such pitiful damage I can eat some bullets and still meatshot him to death. Slow ain't doing shit if your target can kill you before you kill them. If you're catching a scout out he just has poor gamesense/positioning which admittedly is a lot of pub scouts.

>>729214125
I find this happens a lot to me as well and I think I know why. What happens is a game is unbalanced, people start leaving, then matchmaking just throws new players onto the losing team. It does nothing to balance the current game beyond the losing team not being outnumbered.

There needs to be some kind of balance system where if the game detects one team doing way better and people on the other team are leaving, they transfer some players from one team to the other before just directing new players onto the losing team.

>>729207790
Pyro sucks and any fight against one (in a vacuum) is always in the other person's favor
>Scout has higher burst damage and movement options
>Soldiers can bait out airblasts or use a shotgun
>Demo has stickies and fires pipes faster than Pyro can airblast on top of being able to bait the airblast out
>Heavy has a lot of HP and much higher close range DPS
>Engineer has sentries which Pyro can do jack and shit about outside of risking baiting multiple rockets from an unattended level 3
>Medic and his goddamn random melee crits holy shit
>Sniper
>Spy has the Spycicle, Dead Ringer, and Kunai available on top of you having to risk janky backstab bullshit
Of course results will differ depending on map layouts and whether or not the Pyro is able to properly flank or ambush, but overall the Pyro is severely outclassed by the rest of the roster

>>729214331
The thing is that I'm not a high skill at all. Probably average at best and the game still throw me into shitter team for most of the time. It didn't even feel random at all, like I got 10 loss in a row just last night.

>>729216808
I remember maining pyro back in 2014 because his trailer is the coolest out of them all. Too bad valve gutted him out. Back during combo pyro and pre-nerf back burner days he was actually viable in 1v1. Now I main soldier and scout because they are the most fun out of them all.

>>729218363
Your only way to be viable in 1v1s is doing degreaser + panic attack
Granted it's a very solid combo, but you're basically playing fat scout given how you're mainly relying on your shotgun to deal damage and not your flamethrower

>>729196010
This is so funny it's discouraging. How do you achieve this powerlevel?

quit tf2 but when i played i only played dustbowl and the same classes,when i defended i played engineer, and when i played offensive i played demoman

My ideal heavy update
>nerf sniper damage 33%, no more one shots on overhealed heavy
>buff heavy reved up movement to 50%
>remove minigun damage and accuracy ramp up
>add new weapon set for heavy, maybe alternate primary other than minigun
>bring back og quickplay
that shouldn't be that complicated. they don't need to add a new game mode or something huge.

>>729220027
But what does Pyro get?

>>729220365
maybe some new voice lines or something

>>729220027
You are severely underestimating Valve's laziness and stubbornness to maintain the status quo. Though maybe the MvM update will be a good sign of change depending on its execution.

>>729220432
Heavy got arguably his best sandwich from the Pyro update
Only fair the Pyro gets something actually worthwhile out of these two updates

>>729220474
what does pyro need? he already has ranged options, movements tech, multiple play styles. the only thing people request for pyro is nerfs. pyro would be better off if valve ignored him

>>729220587
>what does pyro need?
Bugfixes mostly
Besides, it's not about need, as Heavy didn't need another lunchbox item but he still got one anyways
It just so happened that in practice it was leagues better than the Sandvich
>the only thing people request for pyro is nerfs
Nobody's requesting that
And if they are they're insane

>>729220884
people are constantly complaining about scorch shot and phlog. people complain about everything in tf2

I thought Valve are on a winter break for like 10 days at this point, why did they update TF2 (and Dota) randomly

>>729221265
all these old games are outsourced to ai indians

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>>729195084
HALF LIFE 3 AND THE MVM UPDATE JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE

>>729221010
The Scorch Shot definitely does need a nerf
Why it has knockback is beyond me
But outside of that, everything else the Pyro has is okay to bad
Relying on Phlog crits requires the Pyro to be effectively sitting on his hands for most of the match contributing very little in the hopes that a few seconds of flamethrower crits will make a difference
And it can on some maps, but generally not enough and not on that many

>>729221754
scorch shot doesn't need a nerf. it's not anymore powerful than options other classes have. it's only op in comparison to the other pyro secondaries.

>>729221754
you see I would've agreed with you until I realized that the fuckin thing does fuck all damage and is countered by a medic and a dispenser.

>>729218363
Castaway.tf has the best iteration of Pyro.
>Phlog, Dragon's Fury, Degreaser/Axtinguisher, and Backburner all equally viable
+50 max hp with backburner with no airblast is like if fat scout was actually good. Bhopping around with the shotty and powerjack with enough health to shrug off rockets feels so fucking good. Also turns out axtinguisher was seriously overrated and even doing full crits again it's still very hard to use against aware players on good maps. Detonator is a must if you want it to be your main kill weapon.

>>729220587
No airblast penalty on DF would be a good start and his mobility options are ass compared to scout/soldier/demo. Jetpack is not it.

Is the Gävle map any good?

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Is there an easy way of selling TF2 crates in a bulk? I have so many crates worth 1 cent

>>729220884
>It just so happened that in practice it was leagues better than the Sandvich
i still take the sandvich over the banana half the time, since it provides a better medkit for team mates, also provides better protection if you're caught with your pants down. i think making the banana slightly quicker to eat would be a reasonable balance.

>>729196010
/v/ will do this then pretend they aren't loathsome pedoniggers.

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>>729224908
Had to spend 25 minutes clicking crates
I don't get why Valve doesn't add a quick sell option