>has the worst typing in the game>NOOOO HE'S HECKIN TOP TIER BECAUSE.... BECAUSE HE JUST IS OKAY!?
>>>/vp/>>>/vp/>>>/vp/you stupid animal fucker
>>729205315>worst typingThere are literal ice/bug and ice/rock Pokemon in existence now, and you mock their suffering
>>729205368>waah waah waah!
>>729205368>sees cool rock dinosaur>thinks of sexhuh??
>>729205315big stats strong
>OU seven (7!) generations straight>worst typing
>>729205315Sand ensured he was always good, Dragon Dance ensured he was good in Gen 3 (the only gen that I played competitively, thereby making it the most important gen). I still used Gyarados as my dragon dancer though, because I am incredibly handsome.
Remember when 4th gen was like, "you know who we should give a massive buff to? TYRANITAR" and the madmen did it
>>729205315Because you need him if you want to make Pokemon game of Godzillas.
>>729205698Why did they make ice so bad?>has 4 weaknesses>only resists itself
>>729207530Those bottom 2 are so shit.
>>729205315OP is a faggot. Because he just is. It's self-evident. It needs no argumentation because it's a brute fact. Gravity exists, the Earth revolves around the sun, and OP sucks big bloody smegcocks while posting on a Singaporean mud wrestling forum..
>>729206053tbf its viability in many of those gens was at least partially contingent on being a pseudo that sets up a very powerful weather condition.Also TTar only got to be OU in Gen 8 because people kept forcing it to keep the meme alive (it actually fell out of OU for a while before the massive push), it wasn't really viable in OU at that point.
>>729208056Ice is better now that the snow weather exists which boosts their defense. Plus Baxcalibur is in Ubers despite being a relatively slow Ice type. Bug is the real worst type in the series.
>>729208148Baxcalibur is cool
>>729205315>eats an entire mountain before maturity>there's still mountains>doesn't cause some kind of ecological catastrophy
>>729205940she's sexy I don't know what to tell you
>>729205315He's UU in Gen 9 thoughever
>>729205315Let's see how good you type with arms that short.
>>729211184>Check gen 9 UU>Latios>Azu>TTar and ExcadrillJust when you think UU's transformation into OU was complete
>>729205315>cacturne is banned in ADV because of his ability!>so why don't we ban tyranitar to ubers since it has sand stream?>well the reason why can't do that is because-
>>729211469Smogon's faggy obsession with removing evasion from the game is hilariousIt's part of the game, pussy
>>729208056It was supposed to be the glass cannon type, but later realized they couldn't make it too powerful because they gave every ice move to water types which were already really good. Reminder that in gen 1, fire did not resist ice, so ice was even better.
>TTar is suddenly Rock/Steel or Rock/IceDamn.
>>729205315Tyranitar was in OU tier from gen 2 to gen 8, only dropping to UU in gen 9. OU is the highest usage tier, so literally he is top tier because he just is. You have successfully trolled me.
>>729205315Give Ttar back pursuit.I'm not asking.
>>729205315Rock/Dark wasn't all that bad until Close Combat came along.
>>729211469>>729211531Evasion just sucks that much to deal with. Simple as.
>its another person who doesnt play the game crying "pokemon is because it has a 4x weakness" episodeIm sick of reruns
>he cares about the metaYou pick your favorite mon and you make it work.
>>729207530>>729208148Lol literally the two worst pokemon designs ever made standing side by side. I wonder what godzilla inspired trashpile gamefreak is going to bestow upon us in gen 10.
>>729205315I still got my shiny tyranitar. Shame I can't use it because there's no way to downlevel and the games suck now anyways.
>>729211469Cacturns ability is unskillful rng bullshit. Tyranitars is consistent and has counter play
>>729212612Luck is part of game.
>>729212141>only dropping to UU in gen 9.Pretty sure cb tar is also making a comeback in OU recently. And in nat dex (no pokemon/moves cut) hes still top teir
People who want luck out of pokemon should pick up go. Or any other perfectly information complete turn based game. Or if you insist on it not being perfectly information complete, a TCG like magic.Pokemon has random chance. Deal with it.
>>729213394Imagine playing games you hate. How retarded do you have to be
>>729214036>>729214195>Luck is part of the game bro>that's why every interaction should be allowed to degenerate into a coin-flip-or-worse chance to do anything at all on your turnThere's a dozen gambling apps you could go get addicted to instead of wasting everyone's time with your stupid bullshit
>>729210045>Plus Baxcalibur is in Ubers despite being a relatively slow Ice type.And Volcarona is in Ubers despite being a Bug and Fire type.Let's be real, Gen 9 is just fucked with what's been going on in tier shifts.
>>729208056I don't understand why it doesn't at least resist water, or maybe dragon.
He's won Worlds, which is more than like 980 pokemon can say.
>>729211469>because-Because every game would be a 200 turns borefest without sandstorm to offset leftovers.
>>729212193Sorry, we removed Pursuit from the series because of uh...Reasons?
>>729214712>2025>Only one bug pokemon has won WorldsWhy?
>>729214712Hariyama won WorldsBasedUnless that's the scarlet/violet thing, in which case, not based
>>729214226I didn't hate the games before the series went downhill hard with X/Y
>>729214858Iron Hands has also won Worlds, but Hariyama won it in 2010, long ago.
Why are people who have never and will never actually play the ladder on any format on Showdown always so opinionated about what should or shouldn't be allowed in their tiers.
>>729214809Bug is just a flawed type like Ice, that has access to some really funny and strong moves.
>>729215031Archaludon redeemed Duraludon for me, which is already a herculean achievement.
>>729205315rock and dark is cool though.
>>729215031All it takes is some little detail on his bald head.
>>729214129It's gaining traction again by the looks of it but I dunno how it looks now.
>>729205315>he
>>729208056In JP Gen 1 Ice types were arguably one of the best types in the game as they were hard hitting nukes who both abused and countered the two most broken things in pokemon history, Gen 1 Blizzard and freeze. Unfortunately, despite Blizzard and freeze being the issue Ice types still had a negative stigma attached to them. So when it came time for readjustments to the type chart in Gen 2 they got the short end of the stick.
>>729215169>random lines
>>729215031>tfw didn't get orochi style mega/dynamax hydreigon
>>729216462I still can't believe that they didn't finally realize the tank concept with Jugulis
>>729205315It should be proof of how unbelievably good ttar is despite the shitty typingWith stats like these you could be a fucking ice bug and still be a murder machineThat being said, time has not been good to ttar. Sand Stream only made it more powerful, but after that its been a slow decline.This cant take away how unbelievably strong ttar is, both ingame and comp, during the early gens. Its speed is ass but thats why it works so well as a wallbreaker. If you outspeed, the opponent is dead. If you get hit, youre probably gonna live, and then the opponent is dead. These days ttar is basically a knock off machine, but thats power creep for you.Meanwhile ingame this thing has been getting Rock Slide and EQ by level up since gen 2. Any game where Larvitar is accessible early (HGSS and GoD come to mind) is usually a fun choice. Pupitar is pretty good and can handle itself ingame with incredible moves.
>unusable in all tiers
>>729205315you think the left is what its stats are but in reality, it's the one on the right
>>729214809Bug is ok defensively but pure ass offensively because it's resisted by seven types. Bug/Steel is their one real niche, other bugs that do well tend to succeed in spite of their typing rather than because of it. It also doesn't help a lot of Bugs are shit on purpose because they're balanced around getting them early in single player.
>>729213968Oh no, RNG in a RPG.
>>729214712I still don't understand how a game that has a lot of RNG can be taken seriously as a competitive game
>>729217261>Game give counterplay>But we going to ban it anyway
>>729208056Ice should resist Dark and Water.Temperatures are coldest at night, and ice freezes water.
>>729217337No anon those moves can't OHKO! this means that stall will take over because they would heal more than you damage them while you get more damage instead and it is over centralizing because every mon you play has to counter evasion! please think about the hecking balance!
>>729215031>has the worst design among the psuedos; looks genuinely unfinished>ebin funny godzilla flying meme>weaponized back only has a single fin instead of a godzilla full set>official art and ingame stance look awful>looks like a grey blob from every angle other than the front>baldMega Bax is what Baxcalibur SHOULD have looked like from the get go. It's crazy how this fixed almost every issue I had with the design. The extended glaive and ice forming of the front to form a handle in fucking perfect. A shame megas will probably get axed from the next mainline game and Bax will go back to looking like shit.
>>729217339dark doesnt need any more resistsground on the other hand
>>729217036>sets weather and gets a 50% boost to spdef by existingStill completely busted even by gen 9 ability standards. It's really funny how pseudos were comfortably amazing until Garchomp came along and was too strong. Right after that we got "almost amazing" Hydeigon and fucking Goodra. People barely even acknowledge Kommo-o in psuedo talks. Thank god they decided that pseudos could be busted again gen 8 forwards.
>>729211625That logic doesn't work when GF has been consistently trying to force the tanky ice type meme since gen 1. As usual, it's just incompetence born from the fact that GF designed gen 1 in a retarded way and somehow broke it further with gen 2 instead of fixing it.
>>729205315You just dont get what it was like back in the day during stealth rock meta, like, you just had to be there man.
>>729214809>flip fairy/bug so bug comes out on topAll of a sudden the type goes from dogshit to actually really good.The real reasons though? 90% of bug types in the game are meant for early game single player use. When the vast majority of bugs have sub 500 BST and several of those are sub 450, there's nothing you can do in metagames where having 550+ is the norm. You'd need some really niche abilities or moves to make up for it.And speaking of the niche moves, guess what also has a shit BST but can use every single bug type move in the game? That's right, smeargle, who gets sticky webs but also all the other entry hazards and status moves, so just run this fucker instead. But hey most bugs get access to....U-Turn, the best bug-type move that nobody runs on bugs because you have to be fully committed to sending your little critters out to die when you use them because of their shit BST.There are actually many bug types that could make it (Scizor, Volcarona, Pheramosa), but you'll notice that they all have good BSTs. So if you want to fix the bug type, fix their shit stats first.
>>729218232Dark would still be an excellent offensive typing even with Ice resisting it. Only 4 types would resist. Fighting for instance is resisted by 5 types and doesn't affect Ghost at all, so basically 6, but obviously nobody considers Fighting to be poor offensively.Honestly, how often do you even get hit by dark type attacks when using an ice type? That's one of the changes that harms the type chart the least I feel. Ice types are largely defensive and they need to gain at least 2 resistances for that to be feasible, but I can't think of anything more appropriate atm. Ground would be more balanced if everything didn't learn Earthquake. It's definitely something Rock types could stand to resist since it makes zero sense that they don't and they are also mostly defensive.
>>729218506i get my opinions from poketubers award
>>729205315Singles is not a real format
>>729218773>reddit spacingBecause fighting hits steel and dark. If it didnt, it would be dogshit. If anything, ice should resist water because most of the time your only water resist is water
>>729205368Based.
>>729215031Garchomp and Salamence should be in A, Hydreigon in B and shove Dragonite in C, because Kantotards know their Barney dragon is C-tier shit
>>729217604I forgot what the excuse was for them not liking shit like evasion, I think it was something around the lines of 'you shouldn't need to change your sets to counter one thing, it's unhealthy to the metagame'?They would probably ban moves that raise evasion while attacking if such a move did come to exist.
>>729208056What I wanna know is why the FUCK is Ice not Super Effective against Water?Why the FUCK am I supposed to use Freeze Dry for something that should already be a thing?
>>729218928It was fine like 15 years ago but yeah singles discussion in the west dominating discourse is fucking ridiculous
0 Atk Hitmontop Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 456-540 (133.7 - 158.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>>729215031This but put Tyranitar in C rank.Also where's that other one, the thing with two metal things on its sides, forgot its name.
>>729219596no, for evasion the reasoning is that the game shouldn't rely on luck. You know, an inherent element of the whole combat system.
>>729220338Apparently because only a handful of moves actually increase evasion, it also helped them to ban it even though you could spam accuracy dumping moves for the same effect.I guess you can't really phase out an opponent consistantly if they did catch you with that but the point remains. If this shit really did offend them so much they would have banned Jirachi years ago.
>>729220097What stopping me from not switching out when there an obvious pokemon that has close combat?
>>729215757>HAS
>>729208056Gen 1 was conceived of as an RPG with clear type progression and hierarchy. Dragon was meant to be one of the strong types, with a pseudo legendary and a major boss fight built around, and Ice countered Dragon.When they shifted away from RPG design to something more balanced for player interaction, types like Ice became redundant. They really just kind of ditched the idea of making every type viable and instead focused on a narrower pool, which is also why now basically every water type can learn Ice moves anyways.
>>729219596>set up sand>switch in sand veil garchomp>SD for free cause your opponent missed>SD for free cause your opponent missed>SD for free cause your opponent missed>6-0 them without chomp getting touched once
Next game they should bring back the universal chance for moves to miss, the chance for pokeballs to miss and revert the critical hit ratio to the gen 2-6 rate,
>>729220912Yeah but STAB on one of the strongest attacking types is still very good, also Ice types are the ones who can access Freeze Dry
>>729221280Isn't Freeze Dry one of the reasons Iron Bundle is such a menace?
