Just finished this piece of shit. Worst thing blizzard ever made. I mean what was the point of this expansion? Strong woman filler content. Characters were blend. Story was some marvel mufasa kumbaya bullshit. Maka the nigger was the worst part of it. I was some happy when she died.Paladin is pretty dope tho
>>729214375>I mean what was the point of this expansion?To get retards like you to give nublizz another $50 or whatever, and it worked.You may seethe now.
when was the last good blizzard game/expansion released
I don't know how to look up the sales numbers but based on how little discussion there is on Vessel of Hatred and how few Spiritborn players I see, I think it's the least purchased "expansion" of all time.
>>729214545Everyone got burnt out on the Spiritborn after playing its most broken form on release. Also, the class is just an aesthetically duller version of the Monk.
>>729214375>Paladin is pretty $39.99 thoftfy
>>729214375>he had to buy and play the game to know it's shitngmi
The paladin wasn't even part of Vessel of Hatred. But yeah, rev up those wallets and get ready for the next expansion bitches, this time we're taking Mephisto down for good and I think Diablo will be next.
>>729214375I'm getting tired of women on the front and center of video games, especially ones I know they don't play much or at all. Put some badass dude in some sick ass armor, because that would be cool. Not some vaguely Asian bitch I couldn't give any less of a fuck about.
>>729214398>To get retards like you to give nublizz another $50 or whatever, and it worked.>You may1 act 50 bucks? Dayum.
>>729216632Is d4 at least mechanically interesting?
Is this the first Diablo game where we don't kill a Prime Evil in the campaign?
>>729216632What's the other class? Assassin? As long as it isn't that gay water wizard from Immortal. Just about anything is better than that.
>>729217014The good news is that it's better than D3The bad news is that it's only better than D3
>>729216632just looking at that image fills me with dread, all that fucking grind that you'd have to do to get your character into somewhat decent shape, fuck this MMO tier bullshit, made to waste your time.
>>729217058nah it's gonna be some made up bullshit again, Shadowhunter or Shadeweaver or Edgeborn
>>729217058No one knows yet but Blood Knight would be cool
I paypigged myself the whole package and have easily clocked in almost 200 hours in 20 days, ask me anything.PoE2 is the star citizen of arpgs btw
>>729217139Didn't they already say they wouldn't port that class out of Immortal?
>>729217096What? It takes longer to complete mandatory campaign in poe2 than make character into screenwipe machine in d4. Which is one of the major complaints about it.
>>729217075How can they fail this bigAnd how does Elon have time to play when he works like 200h a week
>>729217412>And how does Elon have time to play when he works like 200h a weekIt's a bizarre thing for him to be self conscious about but the guy has neurotic issues out the ass that money will never fix. which is fucking hilarious
>>729217401>this one timewaster wastes your time more therefore this is good, no actually it's bad because it needs to waste more of your timewhat kind of fucking argument is that supposed to be?
>>729217486Nigger the crushing majority of techbros/cryptobtos are dysgenic nerdsYou can buy yourself relevance pussy and looks, doesn't mean you can buy yourself a new personalityDipshit midwit
>I mean what was the point of this expansion?Activating the Blizzard Effect where all retards on earth suddenly forget about all of their sins and instead soiface and suck them off because Daddy Blizzard shat our a new product and they're the best game company on Earth (only to later realize that it's just another shitty blizzard game)
we've almost circled back around to complaints about woke shit being proof a game might be good. like this shit lives rent free in y'all heads.
>>729217507You should probably read that again bro. Like you can make a meta god build facerolling the entire screen in like five hours unintentionally. So >>729217096 is pretty invalid.
>>729217538Sorry about hurting your feel feels, Elon.
>>729214375Here are some things that are bad about arpgs:1. seasons (ladders themselves were a mistake but thats not so bad as seasons)2. screen wide aoe kill everything (instead of having to play tactically)3. life leech being able to just let you tank everything4. unique items that have special mechanics and become mandatoryThese things only make arpgs worse, but people are decieved into accepting or even thinking they enjoy them.
>>729217412>>729217486>>729217538I was calling him a liar or at least a hypocrite. Won't change the general direction society is heading: corporate fashism.
>>729217718you misunderstand why the hardcore arpg players actually play the genre. they don't care about any of the things you mention. ultimately they are loot goblins and what matters to them is shiny pixels and big numbahs. if you make their grinding harder for them, they WILL act out.
>>729214375The point was to setup a small closing arc after one of the largest sieges and crusades into hell ever known to sanctuary as well as setting up mephisto's revival into the body of one of the most important people of the zakarum faith. It sets the stage fkr what is to come. Are you dense or did poe turn you into a drooling retard? Nigger.
>729217792>corporate fa"sh"ismI regret ever wasting my time with you, end yourself midwit
>>729217058New wisdom class for sure. Amazon inspired oracle using a spear/javelin and shadow magic maybe?
I played it when it came out, I don't remember a single detail. Spiritborn is way more fun mechanically than any of the base classes and if you make it a white girl she's SEXY.Considering the prepurchase for Paladin.
>>729217934The return of the Monk would be nice, but then he'd be in D4.
>>729217718Seasons are the absolute worst design decision and one thing i will forever seethe about when it comes to d4 is that blizzard chickened out of pushing it as mmolight which it was built to be.
>>729217058I'm 99% certain it's going to be some sort of warlock or demonologist. A caster/summoner based around temporary summons and "turrets" (i.e. like D2 assassin traps and POE's totems) since that's an obvious niche that isn't in the game yet.
>>729217967Monk was replaced by spirit warrior, there won't be another dex melee like that anytime soon (never).
ARPGs suck. One button shallow gameplay. The appeal is getting a chance at new loot. Literal casino shit
I thought Vessel of Hatred was fine knowing that it's supposed to lead into the next expac. I wish the Durance of Hate was a bit longer though and I kind of wish the iconic D2 dungeons got proper endgame variants/tilesets.
>>729214375idk, i skipped 70% of all dialogue and cutscenes cus i just don't care about neyrellei don't think anyone does
>>729218264The woman responsible for writing her and insistent on putting her on a pedestal certainly does though
>>729217970wait they chickened out on the mmo thing? Shit that was the only reason I was going to try this shit. Poe and d3 made me realize I hate the rng rift map clear speed run shit
Lore scholars explain to me what happened between 3 and 4.
>>729214375>Strong woman>Main character gets shit on constantly until (You) save the day, againWhy even lie about something dumb like this? Every Diablo game is the same.
>>729218072>dex meleeIs that how they create characters? By main stats?
>>729217718>1100% right and this is why D2 is still the king>2This should be doable late-game, not something you casually whip out with shit gear early on>3this only happens because devs never balance shit with meele class in mind so they compensate with life leech>4They should have an unique effect to give you more build diversity but the mandatory part is shit, true
>>729217957Yeah spiritborn is super fun and you can make a halfway attractive female. Too bad about the man shoulders and no boob slider though.
Okay but the Paladin CG trailer was really good Blizzard still has that shit locked down.
>>729218345Yes and the next character will definitely be a second WIS
>>729218414um ackshually it's willpower not wisdom
>>729218345Pretty much. D3 had 2 Intelligence, 2 Dex, and 2 Strength characters...until the Necromancer came out and it was 3 Intelligence characters. That was when they altered D3 loot to mimic current WoW loot so each class got their main stat + stamina on most of their drops in addition to other modifiers. Of course that was also when you had to turn elective mode on, because they presumably expected everyone to not play around with the skills instead of just having 1 of each type of skill.
>buy Diablo 4>would you like to skip the campaign>what?>I mean no right?>Battle Pass menu appears>I have no idea what these tasks are>Start the campaign>Binge all week to level 40>Still nothing completedI've never been Unc'd by a game this bad.
>>729214375Played this for a while on xbox game pass. Dont really intend to buy it or anything since I have POE2, Titan Quest 2 and Last Epoch to fill the void, but is Paladin fun? Played sorcerer or whatever when I played it found it meh.
>>729217718>Let's remove all the reasons people play the genre. Get the fuck out of my niche
>>729216632YOOO DEY GOT SKILL VARIANTS!!??
>>7292177182 is plain wrong. My love for these games is specifically reliant on my ability to push a button and explode everything. Erasing Strike Void Knight in Last Epoch, Chain Lightning/Frozen Orb Sorceress in D2, and things like that are pure sex. I wish more games had big flashy spells that were worth using. Most of these games the big fuck you spells are specifically almost impossible to build around with all the restrictions and unnecessarily crappy scaling they have.
>>729218719PoE2 is a big offender of this. Even if you do get a good one click build up and running chances are it gets nerfed next patch anyways.
>>729218663Seasons are lazy dogshit
>>729218414Lame>>729218463>not play around with the skills instead of just having 1 of each type of skillWtf are they even doing?Having one main stat trivializes character building.
>>729216632I want them to do Baal next personally.
>>729218978The whole point is a fresh start
>>729218663i was playing arpgs before any of these things existed>>729218719standing in doorways, having to fall back to chokepoints, etc, is way better than 'run into the middle of everything and make the screen die'd2 was always more fun on a fresh ladder precisely because it was a bunch of shit scrapped togeather characters trying to rush and forcing you to actually make use of team play and tactics. the necro just made skeles to tank, the sorceress running around drinking mana pots to static field. amazon picking up cracked javelins off the floor and throwing them. peak
>>729218978How are they different from ladders? Same shit since the D2 days.
>>729219087>Implying that didn't last for all of 3 hours until people got rushed to end game and just started farming Baal/Cows/Pindle/Mephisto with their aoe screen clear abilitiesJust go play PoE2 or something. The genre clearly isn't for you.
Lets not pretend D2 had crazy character building. You always got STR to whatever breakpoint you needed for X armor then just pump VIT and maybe if you're feeling quirky you make a Bowazon and pump a bit of DEX.
>>729219047Which is fake and gay, we need arpg mmo with persistent progression, Lost Ark had the right idea but being retarded fucking gooks they blundered it.
>>729219091Ladders are gay too. Make some real endgame content.
I was thinking about buying diablo 4 until i realized this game also has one of those fomo battlepass things.Can one JUST PLAY THE GAME AND FINISH IT these days? I don't want seasons and unique cosmetic rewards, i don't want my games to be "endless experiences".What's wrong with just making a conclusion to the series and that's it. Over. Go play something else, no sequels, no post launch content. Just game over.
>>729219023I think they will. It likely follows a pattern of 2x expansions per prime evil. We're getting our last Mephisto one, then 2x Baal and then 2x Diablo before they move onto D5.
>>729214508most people don't make this connection, but it's not an accident that Tencent games are on hand to fill the gap for based games after western devs have become totally obsessed with wokeness and audiences that don't play games
>>729219087doorway simulators are infinitely more boring than exploding entire screens you autist.
>>729219236D4 was always going to be one of those 10 year plan kind of games.
>>729219357It seems like every game is like that today even single player ones.
>Strong womanStopped reading there. Next time just admit you're a /pol/tard.
>>729217075D3 is very good so that's good news.
>>729217075I really liked D3 once it got its expac and decided on a gameplay loop. /v/ hating it never took that away from me. Probably a lot to do with Monk having a good voice actor and fun punch gameplay and the Crusader having my favorite female VA and fun holy smashing.
>>729219285and D5 will do the same shit but with 3 DLCs per prime evil
>>729219236>Can one JUST PLAY THE GAME AND FINISH IT these days?Yes? Finish the campaign and you're done. Maybe do the highest torment difficulty if you want to. No reason to engage with the battlepass if you don't want to unless you're obsessed with cosmetics.
>>729219091In diablo 1 multiplayer was full of cheaters. It was all peer to peer and you could not join a game with out encountering a mat of godly plates of the whale scattered around the fountain. blizzard wanted to fix this, and so d2 had closed bnet where characters and games were kept on blizzard serversthis had a problem though, cheating and hacked items were still a thing. to solve this blizzard introduced the ladder. this seperated the regular game ecosystem into the ladder and moved all the suspect cheated mistakes into the non ladder. periodically they would release a patch to remove exploits and reset the ladder to provide a fresh playing field. In this era of arpgs the ladder reset was more like opening a new server in an mmo than an actual game system. A ladder 'season' could last over a year, and its reset was not a feature of the game style itself but a byproduct of blizzards strategy to provide a cheat free environment for closed bnet players.Later on with 1.10 they added a few ladder specific things, but these were just facets of playing on ladder. In a ladder reset these things did not change.Compare that to seasons where arpgs are seemingly designed from the ground up to have rapid (a few months) seasons with entirely different seasonal content. The games are designed around season consumption. The resetting of characters and starting from scratch becomes a feature rather than a byproduct. In a genre where trying to get as powerful as possible is the main driving force of playing they turn restarting into a regular part of gameplay instead of a necessary evil to maintain a fair enviornment.Seasons become this fomo-adjacent style of 'you must play the game to play the latest season and see the new content' reminiscent of blizzards horrible mmo practice of making consumable games that depend on shiny new things to keep player attention instead of a solid and entertaining foundation as in earlier arpgs.
>>729214459probably Diablo 3 or Heroes of the Storm so like 2014
>>729219428Trust the business plan
>>729219828Is there an ARPG that doesn't do seasons? Seems it's the only way to keep people interested in playing.
>>729220646Grim Dawn
>>729220696>Grim Yawn
>>729220646Titan Quest
>>729220646diablo 1 and 2
>>729220646>the only way to keep people interested in playing.which underlines my criticism. if the only thing keeping people playing your game is a constant drip feed of WOW NEW THING! then something is wrong with it.Plenty of online games in the past maintained stable playerbases. When ever something new was added it wasnt to get everyone to come back, hurriedly consooooom it and then go away again. That modern arpgs start from the beginning around the premise that they will add seasonal stuff to encourage players to 'keep coming back' means that something is seriously fundamentally fucked up with the whole thing.
>>729221136thisit's masking the scent of poop with perfumethe reason people come and go so quickly is because it isn't a good game at a fundamental level
>>729219828Its not hard. Its not deep.When the season is over you move everyone to a legacy server. Give the legacy server the new features of the new season as well so players dont "have to" play the new season if they dont want to and can keep leveling their old character.Thats it. The whole thing is fixed>b-b-b-but MUH FOMOFomo faggots are ruining gaming and especially aprgs. Its an actual OCD/mental illness to cry and bitch and moan about fomo and these people and their shitty opinions and suggestions should be ridiculed until they either commit seppeku or wise up. fomo faggots dont want fresh servers, they dont want non combat stats on gear, they dont want to have to actually think about anything in the game because thinking overheats their brain and gives them anxiety. These people are actually mentally ill and should be ignored and ridiculed by everyone.
>>729220646The early mmo ones, like MU Online and CABAL.
>>729221242You do realize PoE1/2 does seasons too, right?
>>729221260or you could just scrap seasons and when you add new stuff to the game you just add new stuff to the game
>>729221356Yes and it is shit.
>>729221364fresh servers are fun. If you dont like them then just jump off a skyscraper for all i care.
>>729221356yes retard-kun, I am aware
>>729221356poe 1 was the game that really made seasons an inherent feature of the genre. it was a mistake and probably the worst thing that game did to influence things.There is a fundamental contradiction in the genre that on one hand is all just a fancied up way for players to try and make characters more powerful by grinding, and mechanics which encourage them to start brand new characters.
>>729221414Anyone with this mentality needs to be locked up in asylum, fucking definition of insanity right there.
>>729221414>the imagination i have of the potential of playing a character im trying to develop is more fun than the reality of actually playing the game at a high levelyou do not enjoy the game. This is sensible since most of them are just trash games that have psychologically manipulated people into playing them. go explore other genres so you can be actually happy.
>this thread
>>729221481Normal people dont seethe about optional video game servers in games the way anti season fags do. anti season fags are literally mentally ill, as in not a meme or a hyperbole these people are fucked in the head.>>NOOOOO STOP PROVIDING A SERVICE I DONT LIKE TO PEOPLE! AIIIEEE
>>729221501and dont think im criticizing you here, i was like this. a lot of people are like this. you have to learn to really introspect and realize when you are having the illusion of fun instead of real fun, then you will truly enjoy things.artificial fun is a real thing, not a /v/ meme>>729221562its steering the entire genre in the wrong direction by creating misplaced positive feedback for developers
>>729221501>you do not enjoy the gamesays the guy seething and crying over features he doesnt like in a game he doesnt play because other people play it the way he doesnt like.
>>729221404>>729221416What's your favourite ARPG?
>>729221609you do not enjoy the game
>>729221610Sacred and Dungeon Siege.
>>729217718>2. screen wide aoe kill everything (instead of having to play tactically)ARPG singularity.
>>729217718Aren't you saying arpg are inherently bad? Unsure if removing your 4 points are making arpgs more fun.
>>729221656BASED
>>729221656Yikes.
>>729219546D3 is overhated by retards who think it's launch D3 and ARPG contrarians who play poe
>>729221528The truth is that's most games.
>>729222106there are arpgs that do none of these things, including the very first arpg ever, and they are great games.diablo 2 is also relatively light on these points. ladders are not seasons and its only towards more modern times they even began resetting the ladder frequently, it has life leech and aoe but nothing like how more modern arpgs have really leaned heavily into it. it does have some build defining uniques but again modern arpgs seems almost built around this where as it was kind of organic initally in d2, and of course things like enigma are later editions to the game after it was already popular, d2 was great at release. this shows that these features are not required at all for arpgs to be good or popular
>>729222854>d2 was great at releaseExcept for the 640x480 resolution.
>>729217718>4. unique items that have special mechanics and become mandatoryThe alternative is trash uniques nobody cares about. Not sure if that is any better.
>>729223104i think it is. in d1 with very few exceptions uniques were more for flavor. most uniques in arpgs are trash nobody cares about unless you find them at a low level anyway. Uniques that just have better stats than what non uniques can are still quite valuable, as sort of legendary capstones to your build. Being able to play the build you want to play as you are leveling and it only getting stronger as you go is way better than the current system of 'make a farming character, farm loot, get loot that unlocks builds, make a character to play that build'.
>>729223104Give me Sets back. A single D3 set had more build variety than an entire class in D4.
>Yo this game sucks, but I pre purchased the next expansionNice shill thread blizzard employee
>>729217075d3 is better than d4 by milesthe story, the characters, the gameplay, the dungeons, the enemies, literally everything in d3 is better
I got vessel of hatred deluxe edition for free. It was ok for free.
>>729223524Now that is a damning indictment.
>keep trying to get into the game>highest level I got to was mid-30s necromancer>all the lower level (below 40) skills are boring on all the classes>no fun drops in the time I played, legendaries etc>no challenging fights, just bosses with big hp pools and invulnerability periods to pad out the timeI want to like this game but it's just not fun, grim dawn and even D3 are superior
>>729217718>1Agreed>2Necessary evil, if players don't feel like they are getting stronger over time then there's no power fantasy being fulfilled. If it takes me the same amount of time to kill some dickweed enemy at lv 1 as it does at lv 60 (even if dickweed enemy is reskinned to be a high level skeleton or whatever) then the game feels slow. Time to kill has to decrease over time or the game just isn't very fun. I think a lot of arpgs tried to solve this problem (most recently poe2) but it's an inevitability. If the way to win is to get loot then the faster you get loot the fast you win so speed is always king.>3I don't care much but as aforementioned it doesn't really matter once you get to the screen deleting stage>4Its okay if it's mandatory for a certain build but them being mandatory for certain classes or for everyone is gay. The path of exile 2 way of doing this is to make 95% of the uniques completely worthless and the others must-haves but also so rare it's not worth worrying about. Not sure I agree with it but it's a sort of solution
>>729223707i was upset when leah died, i couldnt give a shit about any character from d4
>>729224191>2you dont have to have full screen wiping aoes of 100 kilodeaths per second to show power increaseeven diablo 1 had you being incredibly weak and basically having to use doorways at all times to later on progressing to screen clearing chain lightning, but even that required positioning to work properly, you needed to bunch enemies up on one side of you. modern arpgs are just basically a huge clusterfuck of everything dying all over the place with endgame builds
>>729225580I feel you but I also don't want poe2 cancer boring aids combat with animation quality straight out of an african movie production.
>>729214459Brood War
>>729217075Is it tho?
As someone who stopped at D2, tell me how Mephisto came back? I destroyed his soul stone.
>>729228723Soulstones just let the Evils manifest in Sanctuary. Otherwise, they just reform in Hell.
