Does Todd REALLY hate New Vegas?I keep seeing this rumor on the internet, but is it actually true?
>>729215569I don't think Todd gives a shit about Fallout in general.
>>729215569Why would he like it? Thats the better question. If he actually cared about story, he would have fired Emil and hired someone good
Do you think Todd actually likes starfield or is he just a piece of shit that sold us a pile of crap
>>7292155691. He didn't hire them again.2. They didn't work on a F4 spin-off. The proof is in the pudding. He could have even had them make more Fallout but chose not to. It's not the direction Todd Howard or Emil want.
>>729215569I don't think so honestly
>>729215569Well that first episode of the second season of the show ain't helping the case. >character assassinated house>killed off an entire settlement for no reason>turned another group into just random raiders to be killed>we know more factions will get the same treatment
Todd doesn't give a fuck about anything
>>729215569Pagliarulo seems to want a loot n' shoot rollercoaster and quests focused around thatTodd Howard also wants that, I think Todd's ideal game would be an AI randomly generated world with randomly generated quests and dungeons that you could explore forever but without actually progressing in a cohesive story. Basically Daggerfall but with more advanced technology.
>>729215983>>turned another group into just random raiders to be killedIf you mean Khans, then yeah they're just mindless chem raiders now. Make no mistake, Khans are retards, but they're retards in their own special way with their own ethos and worldview.
>>729215569yes, new vegas made him feel small to match his 5'4 stature
>>729215569With no irony? It's made up. It was based on the fact that Obsidian missed a cash payout due to New Vegas' critical score, and that it was due to poor deadlines dictated that forced a buggy release. The quality of NV writing, which is pretty decent and it's generally good, thoughtful worldbuilding stood out to most NV fans compared to FO3 and, later FO4.It fed this myth that Todd has cope issues with being the savior of Fallout while being shown up by NV.The actual truth, which he has answered and is evident in post NV FO content is that Todd actually really liked NV and wants to bring certain aspects of FO to that level. You know how the factions in FO4 exist? That's out of love for NV. Same with the general 'pick a side' story. Even with how they treated the Brotherhood and made them less knights in shining armor comes from Todd liking the writing in NV.Shady Sands being nuked and the NCR crumbling is actually old lore paths that people like Chris Avellone wanted to go down. The show is actually carrying these ideas forward and what you're seeing are directions that Van Buren considered going. Is this 1-to-1 with Fallout Bible? No, but the start of the NCR, the Brotherhood, and even the speculation that Vault Tec started the war are all old ideas from various members of the OG FO crew.Are these all great ideas? Not really. Most of them inflict a Star Wars problem on the setting and focus too much on aspects that have too much control over the course of the series. But Todd doesn't hate New Vegas and neither does Emil, both are on record candidly saying they like it, and FO4 at least shows they respected what FO:NV brought from gun customization, to factions, to writing that dials back the black and white for more grey. Did they accomplish that? No. But you can't attribute to malice what is easily explained by skill issues.
>>729215983>turned another group into just random raiders to be killedThe Khans were always just raiders.
>>729216135It's very funny how their only good ending is them finally developing a culture and becoming something more than simple drug addicted bikers, and now we know almost 10 years later they're just raiders in leather.
>>729216169True, but the khans in each game have stories to them. They aren't just the nameless raiders of fallout 3 and 4 which is what the show used them as. Like you could completely remove the khans imagery from that scene and nothing would have changed about it, them being khans was purely memberberries that served zero purpose.
>>729215569Bethesda hates 80% of the Fallout IP. That much is obvious.
>>729215569Its unironically emil who hates nv
>>729216067It's a concept that could theoretically work but would need a level of technology and mechanical depth to allow emergent narratives to develop that is far beyond Bethesda.
>>729216265Emil hates everything he didn't pen himself
>>729216161Yeah I think this is mostly true. People like to psychoanalyze Bethesda and say they secretly hate Fallout/New Vegas and want to destroy the lore but I think the truth is actually that they don't hate it and are just genuinely incompetent retards
>>729216161>how they treated the Brotherhood and made them less knights in shining armorThe Brotherhood drastically changes between every game. FO1's Brotherhood is nothing like NV's Brotherhood which is nothing like FO4's Brotherhood which is nothing like FO3's Brotherhood.
>>729216161I think this is a real thing people miss, Todd has many times shown he seems to understand where they make issues even if he has a habit of taking two steps back. Like him going on record saying he regrets making Oblivion the generic fantasy land instead of having it be more weird. Todd clearly liked a lot of ideas NV had to offer but I don't think the rest on staff either understand what worked about it or might actually hate NV. And really a lot of things does seem to make it seem like they just keep making bad calls, I remember watching a vid from the artist who designed the super mutants in 4 talking about how he designed them with the idea that they could emote and be a nuanced group like in fallout's 1 and 2, only for bethesda to throw that all out and make them green raiders. And that really summarizes all of their issues.
>>729216431It's actually one thing I think bethesda didn't fully fuck because 3 directly acknowledges that Lyons is going rogue and doing his own thing. The progression of the brotherhood follows some sort of logic(their show depiction and 76 retardation not withstanding).
>>729215569he made the tv show blow up the ncr. yes
>>729216794Lonesome Road says the entire world will be taken over by underground lizard people.
>>729216904No Ulysses says that, and everything that comes out of his mouth is retardation.
>>729216982The DLC went out of its way to make them look super spooky and have them take down Deathclaws like they were nothing.
>>729217327Yeah then I kill tons of them and they provide no major challenge, especially compared to the shit from the previous DLC.
>>729215569I doubt it
>>729215762Todd is just a project leader who is told by his boss what to work on. He doesn't own bethesda and is not the ceo of the company. He basically has zero real power.
>>729216904Big MT and holograms would murder them.
>>729217393That's just a bit of the ol ludonarrative dissonance, innit?
>>729215569Made-up nonsense, all his comments on it are positive. Bethesda published the game so it makes no sense for him to not want it to make money.>>729215762>He didn't hire them again.Todd Howard is just an employee of Bethesda, decisions to contract other studios for projects happen above him.Bethesda chose not to contract another studio to make a spin-off game again, but that has as little to do with Todd as the decision to start up a new company to make an Elder Scrolls MMO does.
>>729216161>It's made up.Yeah it's terminally online fags projecting their insecurities>todd hates when we like NV more!!!!Todd has had to listen to that kind of "feedback" since always, so I doubt it gets to him.Make Morrowind, people bitch it's not Daggerfall. Make Oblivion, bitching about not being Morrowind. Make Fallout 3, bitching about not being Fallout 1. Make Skyrim..They accept some of the more productive criticisms. Like going back on voiced protags and the dialogue system.
>>729215762I think that's because Bethesda wasn't too big to fail at the time NV was made.After Skyrim's phenomenal success they must have figured they can handle everything themselves.
His either a conman who doesnt give a fuck about video games or a deluded retard who believes everything he says and much more. Neither is a good look but perfectly reasonable explanations how the projects he over sees turn out the way they do.
>>729215569It's just NV tranny cope
>>729218080>His either a conman who doesnt give a fuck about video games or a deluded retard who believes everything he says and much more.I think the truth is somewhere in-between. If you watch interviews with Todd, you find he's fairly knowledgeable about videogames and has a genuine interest. But if you watch his E3 presentations, you see that he is also a conman. And he lied through his teeth about Fallout 76.
>>729216904The world is already ran by lizard people. It would just be a return to the norm.
When they showed Todd new Vegas it was like that scene in amadeus where mozart moggs salieri with his own song
>>729218549Does that mean Todd qualifies for the avenger class? What's his noble phantasm?
>>729218549It was more like Lennon listening to the first Wings album.New Vegas fans choose to forget that the game released as a broken, buggy mess, especially in the PS3 version.
>>729218549LUL
>>729218736So is every bethesda game. We are used to it at this point. Arena was. Daggerfall was. Morrowind was. Oblivion was. FO3 was. etc.
>>72921854930 years from now when you tell your grandkids about New Vegas and they only recognize show elements it will be like the scene in Amadeus where the priest only recognizes the Mozart song.
>>729218840Bold of you to be retarded
15 years of Bethesda fallout, and I've yet to give the slightest shits about a single Bethesda faction, if not character. It's remarkable how lame and bland their world building is.
>>729218930I don't know man, the minutemen seemed like a good template. Preston Garvey and laser muskets aside, they're the only Bethesda faction to actually try to restore civilization.The fact that you don't get to reform the CPG in their ending, and canonically the Brotherhood won is an atrocity.
>>729216161>incorporatingThis is code for destroying. They want the designs but all the factions have to be destroyed. Great Khans are just mindless raiders now. NCR is destroyed so there will be some scattered troopers and riot gear wearing ranger vets, but that's it. It needs to be brought down to the quality of Bethesda fallout "loot n' scavenge" rollercoaster in a post-apoc setting. These are just the new vegas and fallout 1-2 designs and factions being used as soulless puppets now.Lucy in the Fallout show is going on a rollercoaster thrill ride and that's exactly what they want from Fallout. So be it. but check me out. It's a hollow braindead setting now.
>>729215762Todd doesn’t run the company retard.
>>729216135It's pretty interesting how Fallouts typically canonize the best/golden endings, except for NV.
>>729218736a buggy borderline unplayable mess of a game with good story/worldbuilding/thematic progression (that can be fixed with mods or over time with updates) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a playable enough game with extremely generic and bland world building/story/etcunironically Bethesda writing is about as exciting as being “shooter man: the man that shoots green things in real place”
>>729216161If we want to psychoanalyze, it's Emil who has an issue with NV. Obsidian is on record as saying Todd was a pretty good guy overall.
>>729219014aside from being gud guys what is actually interesting about them? Do they have any interesting quotes?>genuine question, I found FO4 so bland I only played about 10 hours back in the day
>>729219014>hey're the only Bethesda faction to actually try to restore civilization.Tell me you never played the game.The minutemen give zero shit about rebuilding. They're a self defense pact/militia, not a government.
>>729215624Emil was one of the lead writers for Thief and System Shock. He can do good, but I have a feeling he's been promoted past his level of competence or has just stopped caring.
>>729219137>with good story/worldbuilding/thematic progressionlolscrawny american footballers are better than soldiers in powered armor
>>729219375Whats always been funny about the Emil hate is that Emil's status as "lead writer" isn't even real. Bethesda have even said that's just a label they put on the credits. Emil doesn't actually do most of the writing for any of the games people bitch about him "ruining" the writing for.Bethesda has said in the past the writers for certain quests/faction questlines are whatever dev(s) are assigned to make the quests. Emil isn't sitting there penning the narrative for the MQ, all the faction questlines, and various side quests, and the other devs just have to make what he tells them to.
>>729219458Okay but the retarded space Skyrim crap in starfield and looooooooop was Emil
>>729219375He was a level designer for Thief. He had nothing to do with System Shock.He's mostly an "ideas guy". He did a little writing for Oblivion and Morrowind but that's it.
>>729219458it's the same thing with everyone ignoring all the actual writers and giving Kirkbride credit for all of Morrowind when he really did fuck-all besides the concept art>but muh heckin cuhraaaazzzzyyy sermons!literally canonically not real lore and just a confession that it's all bullshit and Vivec is a murderer
>>729219210no, they're the blandest faction and a complete waste. I said a good _template_>>729219320they have you build settlements, set up trade routes and defenses. that's the first few steps of civilizing a wasteland. and in the lore they tried to set up a commonwealth government before they got shady sands'd by the Institute.
>>729219375LGS was probably hard carrying him. We see it all the time in the sports or music world, where the members of a top performing team flounder when placed in other teams. Team synergy is as important as individual talent.>>729219458It's not helped by the fact that he's given some really retarded public statements on vidya writing, basically amounting to Carmack's quote (story in vidya is like story in a porno...). The secret to engaging game writing is generally simple plots + complex/compelling characters + good environmental storytelling. You nail that, and you'll have people eating up your RPG, even if the gameplay is merely okay.
>>729215569His very first Fallout game after New Vegas retcons ancient aliens being under the mojave and fucking shit up there.
>>729219738>nd in the lore they tried to set up a commonwealth government before they got shady sands'd by the Institute.The CPG happened before the Minutemen were a thing anon.
>>729219738>they have you build settlements, set up trade routes and defensesYeah, that's the issue.They have YOU do it.They don't want to fix ANYTHING at all, as far as they're concerned they're happy to have the world stagnate forever.
>>729219764Enderal had a complex plot, even having themes and subtext running throughout, and it was great.
>>729219910Enderal was made by Germans so I know for a fact that is not true.
>>729219764>It's not helped by the fact that he's given some really retarded public statements on vidya writing, basically amounting to Carmack's quote (story in vidya is like story in a porno...). I always find this funny because the much quoted "KISS" thing people rail against is a basic literary technique taught almost everywhere, and doesn't even mean what people misrepresent it as meaning.KISS does not mean "never add any complexity to stories" it means "don't add excessive/unnecessary complexity to stories". Its basically just saying don't do shit like the>The evil king was actually controlled by an eviler dragon, who was actually controlled by the demon king, who was actually controlled by god, who is actually an multidimensional alien.
>>729219910Enderal is just a rip off of Mass Effect, but in a fantasy setting. Its one of the most creatively bankrupt mods out there.
>>729219979>The evil king was actually controlled by an eviler dragon, who was actually controlled by the demon king, who was actually controlled by god, who is actually an multidimensional alien.which jrpg is this?
>>729219695>Kirkbride credit for all of Morrowind when he really did fuck-all besides the concept artThat's bullshit and you know it.
>>729220049what did he write? surely you have examples of quests/characters/etc?
>>729220065No way in hell Todd thinks NV would be fixed by having a female protagonist.
>>729219969If there is one thing that goes hand in hand with germans it's complexity. Now whether that's a good thing or not is a dice roll, but germans fucking love complexity.
>>729220390>If there is one thing that goes hand in hand with germans it's complexity.Not in writing and storytelling.
>>729220045>which jrpg is this?Which JRPG isn't this?>Oh actually the Black Knight who killed your mother was actually just the pawn of Lord Blackness of the Dark, who serves the Shubniggurath God of evil, who is actually a space alien who wants to colonize mega-earth with his underlings
>>729219375Why do you post blatant lies on the internet so confidently? He had nothing to do with Thief 1 or System Shock, he was a level designer on Thief 2 and made two or three of the levels, that's it.
>>729220012THE IDEA OF CYCLICAL REALITY IS ANCIENT. It's absurd that people attribute this idea to Mass Effect. The idea is much, much older. Furthermore, the threat in Enderal does not come from some external superenemy; it is internal. It is humanity destroying themselves. One of the big reveals is that the high ones are a manifestation of human desire and self hate, and they don't do all that much. Everything bad that happens is set off by mortsl humans. The very first sin that kicked off the cycles was humanity getting bored of paradise and destroying everything. Hell, the big beacon you're putting together in the hopes of stopping the end is in fact a doomsday machine. Also, you're a zombie copy and the real you died in the intro. Everything turns out to be one huge self fulfilling prophecy.
>>729219375Why are you lying? Emil was a level designer. His first work as a writer is the Godawful DB questline in oblivion
>>729219068that is why they fail
>>729215569It's probably something like with Capcom and SNK in the past. Todd doesn't care, but the development team at Bethesda probably hate New Vegas.
>>729220112He wrote basically all of the lore and background for the setting and I'm not going to spoon feed you something you could easily google.
>>729219375First of all, thats a lie.Second of all, that implies you think that System Shock 1 is remarkable in terms of writing when it is essentially Die Hard in Space. Its a great game, but writing wise its schlock. Its mostly innovative in terms of: I believe it is the first game to tell the story using logs of dead people (unless Ultima Underworld did it first as I never played those games).
>>729218373F76 has been out for a couple of years now, is it still shit or is it a bit more fun now?
>>729215569He's tired, he just want the money.
>>729216904is Ulysses the biggest IQ check that has ever existed in a video game? Lonesome Road gives you all the tools you need to figure out that he's totally full of shit about literally everything he says after the destruction of New Canaan, but people still take it all at face value
>>729216161>You know how the factions in FO4 exist? That's out of love for NV. Same with the general 'pick a side' story. Even with how they treated the Brotherhood and made them less knights in shining armor comes from Todd liking the writing in NV.I thought the same thing back when Skyrim released. The civil war is one of the better written parts of setting with feuding factions that both have valid points for and against them. The actual questline was absolute trash though.
>>729215569>Red Guard flopped>Starfield floppedHe is a manlet that can only make popular games by cannibalizing IPs made by better (and taller) men.
>>729215569The New Vegas devs said that Todd was supportive of them and it was the executives that gave them problems.
>>729216265This is it.
>>729216265I believe it, the resentment probably festered since fo4
>>729215569New Vegas was created by the original Fallout devs.It has the SOVL of Fallout games that FO3 and FO4 lack.The difference is night and day.
>>729219041>Great Khans are just mindless raiders nowthey always were you stupid fuck
buy skyrim
>>729232068>Literally non hostile by the time of NV
>>729232378Because they got humbled by the NCR
