Did anyone else know when you buy a digital game you don't own the media you purchased? You're buying a non transferable license. Unlike the physical media counterpart which is exists as transferable license that is property you can own and holds value. Digital media exists as a cost cutting method for publishers, but the result is an anti consumer practice. After learning this I started moving away from PC storefronts like Valve and GoG. I prefer to own my media
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I own hundreds of games though. It literally says on my profile.
>>729216548You own digital media as much as physical media
>>729216548>You're buying a non transferable license.WHOA WHOA WHOAAre you trying to tell me for the past 30 years the L in the EULA stood for license???????
>>729216591Thanks.>>729216596Unfortunately you can't own digital media.
This is all lawyer gobbledygook.If there are fles on my PC that I can run without the Internet, I own the game. Simple as.Yes, that means cracks and piracy are ownership.
>>729216596>more dlc than gamesSad
>>729216654> I own the gameYou can't own digital media. See >>729216548
>>729216683Lawyer gobbledygook. The only thing that matters is being able to play the game.
I cnat wait for the day Gig isnforced to have the same warning
These threads are always created and spammed by EGS shills
>>729216729To me ownership matters as well
>>729216743EGS has the same language in their terms, they just hide it slightly better.
>>729216743EGS is another digital platform right? That wouldn't make sense
>>729216548not an issue on PSN
>>729216548I'm well aware, thank you.Also, thank you for the reminder - need to finish downloading my library
>>729216548>I prefer to own my mediaimpossible
>>729216548Not really my problem.
>>729216548If I download the game I bought, and if it isn't DRM-free I download a patch for it, then there's nothing they can do to revoke my "license" and I can continue playing my game legally.
>>729216642>Unfortunately you can't own digital media.i own all my pirated games.
>>729216548This fact always seems to make certain people angry
>guys am I the only person who ONLY realized that I'm buying a digital product when I was loudly told that into my face???Sadly there's plenty of absolute morons like you.
>>729216851>PSN>let me just download the games that I ow-ACK
>>729216948Same for physical media and pirated digital media so not sure why you think paid for digital is any different.
>>729216635Trvke
>>729216548Nigga, physical media literally has DRM as well. If you can't make copies of your DRM-free games, then you don't own those games. GoG should be THE storefront you should flock to. Unless you're a retard and uninstall games you don't play, and you actually keep the game's files downloaded, then you own your games.
>>729216851PSN is another digital storefront so the same applies
>>729217019Physical is worse because it REQUIRES you to have a method to read said physical games, and they are more difficult to back up, make copies, take more physical space, etc.
>>729217034I'm not flocking to any digital storefront. No ownership, no buy.
>>729217019>disc scratches>disc rot>optical drive dies>medium becomes obsolete and you can't find a replacement method to read the discWow, if only you had digital copies of it, guess you didn't own it after all.
>>729217091I'm speaking from the perspective of a consumer, not a publisher. Thanks for the input tho Mr. Goldstein.
>>729217126Nigga, you're retarded. If it's DRM-free you own the game, you can make copies, you can play it even if they delete your account.
>>729217169I was as well, retard.
>>729217156Works on my machine
>>729216548We've had this conversation more than a decade ago.
>>729217193I know. I'm familiar with piracy. What does that have to do with digital storefronts?
>>729216548Pirated copies are basically a standalone version that lives without a DRM like Steam right on your SSD. Pirates are more owners than people who buy in Steam. Now, that’s funny. And DS4 allows any pirated game to be played using a controller. Whew lads
>>729217226Comprehension isn't your best trait I see.>>729217269This has nothing to do with piracy, retard.
>>729217302Wrong, DRM-free copies aren't necessarily pirated copies. You can buy DRM-free copies exclusively from GoG, on Steam some games are DRM-free.
This schizo keeps making these threads.The crux of his argument is that he just wants to resell his games because he's a cheapskate. That's it. He's butthurt that will no longer be a thing in our lifetimes.
>>729216548Cool.>downloads DRM-free games
>>729217302Not really. Pirates are slaves to normalfag trends, seeds, premium hosting site subscriptions and if one of the few tranny repackers ever feels like acknowledging that a game exists or received some updates since the initial upload.
>>729217308My discs and carts work and always will. And if some freak accident occurs I'll just pirate backups. Not sure what this has to do with digital storefronts.
>>729216548no you didn't larper
>>729217372Thank you for funding my pirated copy.
>>729217269He’s shaking they can ban your acc and or you might need to be online to play some steam games, although Steam does have offline mode but still if Steam decides ur an undesirable you can lose access to ur games or if Steam were to go out of business then you also lose access to your game collection. Pirates never lose access due to NO DRM and games being Standalone on ur PC
>>729216642>he doesn't knowits not hard to make it so you DO own those games, dude.
>>729216548Licensing exists as an extortionate measure enabled by the government. The goal of copyright is to consolidate publishers into a smaller quantity of large and easily regulated entities, and ultimately acts as a check on the spread of seditious, treasonous and blasphemous content that could upset the ruling class.The only correct response is to ignore the technical legalities and/or pirate, because even the transferable license of physical media is just a polite fiction that companies are even now ignoring by bricking devices and annulling the license.
>>729217357Irrelevant. Those games exist on your PC directly without a company inbetween you and the game it’s a for life copy>>729217378Where we needed tech wise ai willCrack every single game in existence and it won’t rely on humans anymore. Seeds? Most people are downloading newer games there’s always seeders. 1337x is free no subscription and tons of other options. Why do you think their skyrocketing ram prices? Cuz they know in the future this industry is dead. Ai games are the future. In the future you will prompt Ai to make you a fully customized game to your preferences. Each person will be playing a totally different game and there will be no similar game in existence, all will be shared via free platforms. Imagine being able to tell ai I want a Scarface like drug system with nudity and strippers and real economy. Boop-beep-boop and ur playing something so fucking fantastic you never need another game or you prompt again for a different genre or add to existing prompt
>>729217546That's my biggest issue, publishers could easily make physical copies but they just refuse to out of greed.
>>729217389You're not understanding, all of these issues wouldn't exist if you had the games digitally and DRM-free:>your optical drive might break at some point, it has physically moving parts, all your discs become unreadable until you can find an optical drive that may or may not exist in the future, decades later, see how difficult finding vcrs are now. if you're talking about console then you can't even replace the drive without the blessing of the console maker to pair it with your console.>same thing happens for cartridges, but with the fact that finding a reader for those cartridges will be way more difficult in the future as it will 100% be proprietary. And usually newer consoles like the Switch have DRM practices specifically on the cartridges themselves.You're too retarded but I'll sum it up, you do not own your games unless:>the game is DRM-free>and you can make (and have made) personal copies of the gameIf it's those two, doesn't matter what medium technically, you own your game. If you don't then you're just pretending you do, but you'll run into the same scenario as "digital storefronts" taking away your game in some form.
>>729216663Don't mock him because he plays train simulator, anon, never get between a man and his train.
>>729216663nta but that counter includes soundtracks, artbooks, etc. it can rack up quickly if you get deluxe editions
>>729217729Right now I’m reading the last ronin and spawn 001 comics. Gaben will never steal my pirated comics
>>729217729Piracy isn't legal ownership, but I agree that it's DRM free.
>>729217951You can have legal DRM-free ownership, retard. Any GoG game, and any game from other storefronts that didn't incorporate any DRM. The only requirement then is for you to not be a brainlet and keep your game downloaded, rather than relying on their service for staying up indefinitely.
>>729217951Who gives a fuck. Buying games on Steam is like paying a prostitute she FUCKS you then LEAVES and ur wrong possessing pirated copies isn’t illegal but distributing them is
>>729218073Thank you for not contributing a single thing.
>muh piracyHow can you say you own the game if you have no cheevos?
>>729217717lol no.you don't understand the amount of bullshit that comes with selling physical copies they are getting to sidestep.there was a small industry built around that bullshit to resell and repair those physical copies, and so many kids and fumblefingers breaking them...Digital copies are far better than you think.What you REALLY should want is the freedom to turn said digital copies into personally hosted versions free of any hooks.Which you already HAVE, though steam requires a bit more effort as opposed to say, GoG
This is why consoles>pcI actually own my discs.I can touch them, feel them, see them.
>>729217389>>729218073As a disc chad myself I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but all companies ceased production of optical drives this year. I hope you stocked up, cus it's unironically over for personal digital ownership.
>>729217951There is no legal ownership of ideas.There is government licensing to illegally (limited times mean limited times, fuck the supreme court) extort people who spread ideas without license, but that's it.
>>729218336you can just get an external optical drive which are available in massive amounts and still produced
>>729218049In the end it's still a digital game, still a non transferable license. May as well just pirate.
>>729218426oh my sweet summer child
>>729218438>>729218426>>729218416Pirated copy wins newfags. Because it’s free but if your a faggot then give gog money not steam
>>729216548Rothschild thread
>>729216548if I buy a physical PS4 game how do I play it without the required DRM hardware?
You don't own your physical games either. Otherwise, you could make infinite copies of the game and give them away to people.
>>729216851Sony actually straight up took people's shit away just recently
>>729216548World is warcraft pisses me off because of this shit. I've had my account since vanilla, it has tonnes of items no longer obtainable yet I can't sell all the time & work I put into it.Must be worth thousands, even tens of thousands yet greedy blizz says fuck you, it's ours
>>729218998>recentlyNigga they did this back when the Ps4 first came out. All of your Ps3 purchases were trapped on that console, and didn't transfer forward. There's no reason why I can't play the Misadventures of Tron Bonne on my Ps4, except them wanting me to rent on their PSN service. Bunch of assholes.
>>729216548>Unlike the physical media counterpart which is exists as transferable license
>>729218284And burn or destroy them.My PC can be used as a bomb in Tel Aviv but my games will remain.
>>729218964Talking about owning the media, not owning copyrights.
>>729219325Okay, so can you play your Switch copy on a PS4, or on the PC? Can you play any of your NES, or SNES, or Wii games on your Switch? Without paying for them again? My digital games, despite supposedly not owning them, have been playable on every PC I've ever owned. That's about 15 years since I first installed steam.
>>729216548>Did anyone else know when you buy a digital game you don't own the media you purchased?Did anyone else know that applies to physical games too?
>>729219385No need to get defensive anon
>>729217019>Same for physical mediaThe only platforms that have physical media in 2025 are consoles and you sure as hell don't own those. At any moment the console manufacturer can disable "your" disc by blacklisting it so "your" console will refuse to play it.
>brown retards trying to understand how software licensing works and failing miserablyit's not even funny anymore, it's just so fucking stupid and it's time to stop
>>729216959>say blatantly incorrect bullshit>people call out aforementioned bullshit>lmao why you so mad tho
>>729219768It's just that I recognize the OP. He's a tendie who shitposts against PC games like Hollow Knight, Pizza tower and Terraria, and says that they're all bad games because they're not nintendo exclusives. He has an eternal hate boner for anything that ever started out as an indie project on PC. He implied that Silksong was a tranny PC vegan game, until someone reminded him that it was getting a switch port, and then lied about how it sold more on the switch than any other platform (ignoring that it sold more than 3 million on PC, while it barely even hit 500k on the Switch and switch 2)He's a liar and should be mocked.
>>729218515Legal DRM-free allows you to participate in social features (both of the game and the platform) while they're still there as well.
>>729217389>My discs and carts work and always willKek no the won't. There's nothing stopping sony, microsoft or nintendo from disablong those discs and carts. Nintendo has already done it to people who ripped their carts.
none of it was really yours
>>729218073>Not if you store them and use them normally and if you're that paranoid you can just burn more copies on your own CDsAnd how is that different from storing my digital games on multiple backed up HDDs?
>>729216548>Did anyone else know when you buy a digital game you don't own the media you purchased?Yeah. Welcome to 2004.
>>729218284>I actually own my discs
>>729219835That's why piracy is my backup plan
>>729219893Meds please
>>729220318>having a crashout because you got caught in your web of liesoof, not a good look for you.
>>729220107No, my games are safe.
>>729220342I'll survive
>>729220381Not if you keep telling lies like that. People have met... unfortunate fates for far less.
>>729220363How? What steps have you taken to prevent what I mentioned from happening to you?
>>729220363Your games are literally at the mercy of the company. Assuming they play nice and don't just brick them, they're stuck to their console. In the unlikely event that they even let you play them on future consoles, you'll be paying a fee just to upgrade. Assuming they don't just make you buy it all over again. See: every game from the NES to the WiiU.I can play my 2012 steam purchases on any PC I own. Why can't you play your WiiU copy of Super Mario on your switch?
>>729216548Yeah. Steam was created for the sole purpose of preventing you from selling your copy of his game after you were done with it.
>>729216548Yes we knew. When it comes to PC it doesnt mean shit to people, because on how easy it is to pirate their shit.
>>729220510That's the thing, I've done literally nothing extra and my games will always be safe.
>>729220686They can brick your steam account too if that's what you're worried about.
>>729216734Actually the California law that required Steam to do this doesn't apply to GOG as it specifically excludes "digital goods that the purchaser can access permanently after the transaction."
>>729220838If you're worried about that, you can buy from GOG, or crack steam's DRM.
>>729220810In that case they won't be. Why do you think "your" console manufacturer can't brick "your" disc?
>>729220960Why do you think they will?
>>729221039Because they've already demonstrated the ability to do so, and the fanbase will lap it up anyway?
>>729221096I'm not worried.
>>729221162As a PC owner with digital games, why should I be worried? When are they gonna take away my games?
>>729220686>Why can't you play your WiiU copy of Super Mario on your switch?Switch isn't BC with WiiU
>>729221239I didn't say you should be worried.
>>729221275Strange, all of my 2012 PC purchases are compatible with my 2025 PC.
>>729221039Because it's profitable. Why do you think they won't?
>>729221287In that case how is physical better than digital?
>>729221307Same>>729221385To be honest I've never thought about it. I have no reason other than the confidence that all my games are safe as are all the games of everyone I know, and all your games as well. If they did anything like that to me I would pirate the game back. You have nothing to worry about.
>>729221430I prefer owning my media if I'm paying for it. It's also nice to have a collection of my favorite titles.
>>729216548>she buys digital mediaGood goy
I always buy the games I want to play at full price, but I always make sure I can have a pirated copy as well. This way I can support developers and don't have to worry about my games.
>>729221552>I prefer owning my mediaBut you don't own your media. Physical media is just DRM on par with denuvo. It's so stupidly restrictive that it's disgusting.
>>729221526>If they did anything like that to me I would pirate the game backThat's a fair stance. Basically same for me. But digital PC copies are much easier to back up than any console copies.>>729221552>I prefer owning my media if I'm paying for itYou still didn't explain how you own a physical copy that can be revoked but don't own a DRM free digital copy that can't be revoked.>It's also nice to have a collection of my favorite titles.That's fair I guess if you enjoy that, but I'd personally rather collect actual collectibles like statues or art books from my absolute favorite games instead of having a boring game case for all of them.
>>729221634I never really think about DRM to be honest.
>>729221693>a physical copy that can be revokedThat's not a possibility of ever happening
>>729221817Explain why you think that.
>>729221817>>729221781>I never think about DRM>but you don't own your digital games because all digital games have DRM in them>I'm gonna completely ignore GOG games because that defeats my narrative
>>729221693>That's fair I guess if you enjoy thatI do. Here's my collection I posted in a different thread earlier today
>>729221869>>729221526
>>729221781You should honestly, because it shows how much of a deathgrip a publisher has over a consumer, I'm not gonna preach to the choir here (even through there's a few non-believers itt) but I think the idea of a corporation saying "yeah please don't share that or copy it or we'll take it from you" is a bit scary. That being said, I grew up in an era where where this dogshit warning would come up before every TV show or movie I owned so yeah.
>>729221890>you don't own your digital games because all digital games have DRM in themI didn't say that, you did
>>729221945You lying piece of shit, that's my collection you posted. You really are the lying tendie from last thread who kept pushing that PC gaming is bad and that only Nintendo games can be good.
>>729221985>please don't share that or copy it or we'll take it from youI share my physical games all the time. It's normal and completely legal.
>>729221693>I'd personally rather collect actual collectibles like statues or art books from my absolute favorite games instead of having a boring game case for all of them.>>729222019>Actually I have a collection of games btw. I'm just lying for no reason at all. Interesting
>>729222090>lying tendie doesn't realize he's talking to two different peopleYou cultists are all the same.
>>729222168Sure.
>>729216548>Did anyone else know when you buy a digital game you don't own the media you purchased?My blue-and-gold flag says otherwise.
>>729216548>download game>the game is now on my hard drive>I now own the gamewhat now?
>>729222229>>729222327This kills the OP.
>>729216548well duh? it's fucking virtual 0s and 1s on some server
>normalfags accepted being double-charged for the use of their internet service >normalfags accepted not owning their gamesWhy do they suck so much?
>>729222327don't tell him about the unlocker it makes his head turn into a latrine
>>729222503Whatever you do, do NOT tell him the DLL trick. OP might commit sudoku.
>>729222327That's an unlicensed copy so you have no legal ownership. Probably should have just pirated it.
>>729222587what does ownership mean
>>729222394>double-charged for the use of their internet serviceThis is why I'll never get consolefags. WHY in the living fuck do I have to pay for the RIGHT to use my own internet??? Why the fuck are consolefags okay with that???
>>729222610These are the same types who don't understand how to browse file folders. They don't know what a romhack is. They wouldn't even be able to use flips.exe to patch an old Super Nintendo rom.You want to feel anger at them for being so ignorant, but I feel only pity for their incompetence.
>>729216734GOG licenses are sold in perpetuity? You don't even need to be online to install GOG installers.
>>729222587>download an unlicensed copy directly from the storefront>zero risk of virus yes and?
>>729222606It means the media is your property, the license was transfered to you, it exists as your property, as opposed to digital media like on amazon prime, itunes, kindle, steam etc which are non transferable licenses. They're locked to an account owned by the publisher and aren't yours.
>>729222680You're talking about piracy right? Yeah go nuts.
>>729222780but if it's on my hard drive then it's my property, does it really matter if I have a piece of paper that says it's mine?
>>729222780>buy game on GOG>get my account banned>still have the installerHmm, guess I found a glitch in the system.;)
>>729222610Probably the same reason PC vegans were okay when non transferable licenses replaced media ownership on PC.
>>729222905That's up to you to decide. It matters to me.
>>729222945>>729222979What is your deal with a game being "transferrable"? If I buy a game, I want to play it, not play stocks and sell it to some random shmuck. Come on, you guys can't all be this retarded.
>>729222919Yeah personally I would pirate every digital storefront game. The money goes straight in the trash when you buy a digital game and it's literally no different than a pirated digital game.
>>729223000Having game collections can be enjoyable. Here's a pic of my collection I posted in a different thread earlier today
>>729222979why does it matter what you think? if you can't enforce your will onto me then what you think is for all intents and purposes irrelevant
>>729223042>The money goes straight in the trash when you buy a digital gameThe child can't understand the concept of supporting a dev that you like. He needs a piece of plastic to remind him that he spent money on something.
>>729223168>here's a pic of my collection I posted earlier today>timestamp says it was taken in June
>>729223173If you don't at all care about this topic that's 100% fine with me>>729223182Piracy is a customer service issue. If they're not giving me a transferable license then they don't get my money.
>>729223247It's an old pic
>>729223284>don't care about this topicI'm arguing this isn't even a topic you should care about because it's completely pointless. if there is no practical difference between owning a license for a game and not owning a license for it then therefore the license doesn't matter, and if it matters to you then you care about things that don't matter and that makes you a moron
>>729223307Why did you post an old pic, instead of posting an updated pic with an updated timestamp? One you preferably didn't steal from me?
>>729216548I'm too European to be affected by this
>>729223374I'm sorry you feel that way, but I will continue buying and owning physical game collections
>>729223385Is that your game collection?
>>729223502Yeah, and I was the one who posted it all the way back in june. https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/712142478/#q712161086You also took my screencaps from an earlier thread, trying to pass them off as your own.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/729193527/#q729212932
>>729222780In real world legal terms, a license is a promise that the seller of a product won't sue you if you don't misuse the product.Two legal consequences follow:1. The license places arbitrary limitations on the use of the product, violating the buyer's property rights.2. The license prevents justice from being deliberated under some circumstances.
>>729223618I'm glad you enjoy owning physical media.
>>729216663>he doesn't play neptunia and payday2
>>729223713I don't really "own" physical media. I just have licenses on chunks of plastic. Only when I transferred them into digital formats, did I truly own them. I can modify them, tear them apart, copy them infinitely. No DRM, no subscriptions, no online launchers required.It's an objectively superior experience to the flimsy limitations of physical. Hell, it's why I haven't touched those disks (bar AC6) in ten+ years. I can just emulate them and it saves me the trouble.
>>729223684Yeah all media is licensed under those terms. The type of license is the difference in whether or not the media you purchased is your property (physical) or just an access to an online account (digital)
>>729223846Yup you can own them legally or "own" unlicensed copies for modding and stuff. I prefer a balance of both as well.
>>729224013>I prefer a balance of bothHighly unlikely, since you openly shat on games that weren't console exclusives. even if they had physical versions, like Armored Core 6, you called it "tranny shit" in previous threads because it wasn't on the Switch. It having a physical copy meant nothing to you.This whole "license" BS is just another excuse for you to console war like a child that you are. It's genuinely sad.
>>729224089You'll survive
>>729224136Thanks for your confession.To everyone else, this fool will continue to wallow in his own filth. I would leave him to wallow.
>>729223901In either case it's unjustifiable. Either it limits your property rights, or appropriates non-scarce things. The legal system is designed to limit your access to justice.
>>729216548>Did anyone else know when you buy a digital game you don't own the media you purchased?Yes, this has always been the case, even with physical since the dawn of videogames. You have slays only ever purchased a licence to use the software for personal use.
>pirate game>burn it to a discthis kills the physicalfag
>>729224310reminds me of the late 90s, early 2000s where only a few people had CD/DVD writers in our town who burned the games for everyone.Some asshole even charged not only for the disk, but the game itself...
>>729223168>>729223307>>729223713You absolute fuckwad.
>>729216548Physical media is still just a licence.Also how many dozen times do you intend to make this thread?
>>729216956You don't. Your children cannot inherit them. You cannot sell them in a pawn shop.
>>729216548Does anyone else know OP is a profoundly autistic, spamming tendie instigating flamewars?
>>729216548>Did anyone elseAnyone capable of independent thought already knew this.
>>729217156>medium becomes obsolete and you can't find a replacement method to read the discLiterally never happened before. You can buy floppy disc drive for $15
>>729216743It's the tendie retard who spews 'pc vegan' and resorts to ungabunga posting whenever he gets blown the fuck out.
>>729224883>You cannot sell them in a pawn shopLiterally who the fuck cares?>Your children cannot inherit themyes they can
>>729219325>Talking about owning the mediaYou retard
>>729221971But there is a possibility of it happening. Just because you're too retarded to think ahead doesn't mean it can't happen, because it 100% can.
>>729223284Why do you want a limited transferable license instead of being able to transfer the game to as many people as you want?
mentally ill tendie spammer threadsage, report and hide
>>729216548In fact, digital and physical games are exactly the same thing. Why can you sell the physical game if you only have the license? Because your license is included in the media itself, so when you sell a physical game, you are actually selling the license to use it. Now guess what, whether the game is physical or digital doesn't matter, you still own the license, and if you can sell the physical license, you can also sell the digital license. In fact, that's what the European Union concluded, and now there's no more discussion about it there. You can literally sell your digital game in Europe, with one detail: the stores that sell the games to you (Steam, for example) are not obligated to provide you with the infrastructure to resell digital games, so in practice it is impossible to sell the game between Steam accounts, but you can sell your license to someone to use outside of Steam, although it will take a little work.So that's basically it.Digital and physical games are the same product. The basic difference is that the license for physical games is inside the disc/SD card/etc., so selling it is a simple and straightforward process.Digital games do not have the license embedded in them, they're usually stored elsewhere (on the servers of the store that sold them to you), but that does not mean that the license is not yours, which is why it is legal to sell them in Europe.Note: Now comes the real issue that no one talks about, which is the right that corporations give themselves to revoke a license sold at any time, for any reason. This is 100% illegal, which is why you rarely see corporations revoking licenses. They only do so in cases where laws are clearly being broken, such as piracy.In any case, revoking licenses should be illegal in all cases, and if a corporation wanted to do so, it should go to court and prove before a judge why it is doing so. Until that changes, we don't own anything, neither physical media nor digital media.
>>729226072>In fact, that's what the European Union concludedThis is true only for perpetual licences.
>>729216548Friendly reminder that OP is a Nintendo dickrider who defends key cards. He doesn't give a shit about any of this, he's just a perpetually shitposting and consolewarring faggot.
>>729225558He's a corpo stooge. He only cares if the corporation allows him to or not.
>>729216663must be a Paradox fan
