>create a game with great mechanics that allow you to form your own LOTR style adventure parties>make so little content for it you can barely enjoy said mechanicsWhy are capcom like this? DD2 could've been a big hit if they actually gave it some effort instead of only selling 4 million in 2 years.
My only issue with it is the performance. I'm not touching it until I can run it well
>>729222758fucking retard
>>729222758>make a sequel>it's just the previous game, with less contentwhat did he mean by this
>>729222758>create a game with great mechanics that allow you to form your own LOTR style adventure parties>singleplayer only
Last time I trust potential man.
>>729222758DD2 is not supposed to be LOTR you daft cunt
>>729222758Content creation is probably one of the hardest parts of games and so many of them never meet expectations.If complaints about a game aren't directly about the mechanics, it's always a content issue.It really is hard to pad a game out with enough content that is simply fun to engage in. Lots of games just mask it by making it a grind for a better gear instead of making the content the reward.
>>729223051>what did he mean by thisI do get the idea of DD2, but they really did sacrifice the game for a twist, which is insane to me.I respect the balls but I wish they had scaled the idea down and focused more on making more new game that's not effectively a remake of the previous one.
>>729222758They could save it at literally any time by just making a Dark Arisen style expansion, but so far they haven't.
>>729222758Line went up (for a moment) and that's what's important!
It's kino with mods, the new enemy mod is fun and makes the bosses actually try to attack you, and there's some better variety which is the games #1 issue
>>729222758>make so little content for it you can barely enjoy said mechanicsI mean the base game is like 100 hours if you explore everything and do every quest. It only falls apart if you want to keep playing in NG+ because that mode is nothing more than a victory lap for your maxed out character.
>>729223252Won't mods prevent pawn-hires, effectively "banning" (you)?
I was so excited to try out MSH but the end pissed me off so much I didn't even bother with a second playthrough. Seriously, the dragon fight seemed like an intentional insult.
>>729223143True, but it's not like they didn't have assets they couldn't have reused
>>729223383I played with a level capping mod and therefore had both my character and my pawn stuck at lvl 20 but with all disciplines maxed out and a ton of leftover discipline points. Over my 200 hours of playtime at that level, it was constantly getting summoned by other players.
>>729223252>still no better female body mod which mhwilds got almost instantly
>>729223051The less content is in some ways understandable, BBI was an expansion. Logically people would kind of expect the same thing would happen to DD2, that it will get some kind of expansion.
>>729223561Yeah I've been using that as well, but maybe changing enemy AI/stats is too much? Surely there's some kind of check?
>>72922335690 of those hours are fighting the exact same 5 enemies over and over and over, and entering tiny "caves" with worse rewards than what you got from a shop 20 hours ago.There's no excuse for how bad the enemy variety is for a $70 title, and the loot rewards are poorly designed for a game focused on exploration.
>>729223383no, you can still hire other player's pawns and get your pawn hired with modsyou only get banned from the system if you upload a pawn with wrong/impossible stats or modded/wrong gear
>>729223673There are items that can only be found in chests thoughever. Quite a few even.
>>729222758>LotR style adventure>It's just walkingTurns out it makes for bad gameplay when not shored up by mods and the industry hates those for cutting out cash shops and competing with their sloppiest titles.
>>729223181And they never will.Dragon's Dogma is an abandoned franchise now, and DD2 is abandonware.Give up all hope, there will be no DLC, there will be no expansion, there will be no saving this game.Let it go.
>>729223583My dick could not handle Type R body in DD2 honesty
>>729223696Nice.I've been meaning to up the health of the bigger enemies.
Anyone tried this new mod?https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonsdogma2/mods/1196
>>729223252>>729223696What are some must-have mods for enemies?
>>729223806>CapCom says DD is "key franchise">1 year anniversary is 'celebrated' with a fucking .png overlay for photo modeThe SS wasn't this cruel.
>>729223638No. Everyone expected DD2 to AT LEAST be DDDA. They dun goof'd hard.
>>729224052Well yeah. But when DD2 first released and no BBI endgame dungeon style in sight, people were thinking "oh maybe they will release it as an expansion. It's a retarded move, but it is Capcom."
>>729222758The original designer was a visionary. The original game was like DD2 really shitty. It was the DLC guy that looked at all the work, fixed that shit, then added long term end game shit that was the best part of the original series.
imagine if Capcom put as much effort into improving DD2 as the LoTF team did for their game post launchMaybe Wilds flopping will make them realise they have to put some effort into their other franches instead of only caring about MH & RE
>>729224132no. The original designer who lead the 2nd game had his ego checked by the DLC guy and didn't want him to touch his game again.
>reading through the unofficial mod changelist>"Pawns cannot dash while wearing Pioneer's cape."So that's why my pawn is always lacking behind.Damn that sucks. The drip is undeniable.
>>729224165this is why I believe blaming Itsuno for lack of BBI style dungeon in DD2 is justified. The guy wanted DD2 as pure as possible like he wanted it to be. And some people who understand that Dark Arisen was not part of Itsuno's vision accepted that the base DD2 is barren like that and held on hope that some kind of expansion by another director will be released.
So is there any whisper of hope left for dlc in filesor project names to cling to or is it truly ogre?
>>729224324Ogre. They could've announced it at sales celebration recently.But all they did is posting a png and basically saying "thanks for the money suckers, now buy MHWilds and all its DLC"
>>729224324It's never been more ogre. If they were going to do anything it would be announced and released by now. Just play DDO.
I guess the final final ogre ogre for DLC is the 2 year anniversary, but the buyer count seems too small for it to be even worth releasing an expansion that long after release
>>729222758A DLC could have saved this. Even after release.But its not coming.Fucking baffled by this shit.
>>729223143>Content creation is probably one of the hardest parts of games and so many of them never meet expectations.I disagree completely with that statement.Content INTEGRATION is the hardest part. But the difficulty of that is only up to the design structure you've chosen.If you make a railroaded corridor game, of course you'll have trouble adding a new mission or weapon that don't break the progression & balance.If you make an open-world, all you need to do is modify a place you only used as decoration to make it a new plot-hook, and balance can be adapted automatically with whatever system you used to track players strengthContent creation itself is easy enough that lone Modders do it for free.And game like GTA are against modder because it get in the way of them selling DLC for a cost far superior to what it cost to make.So why doesn't everyone do it?I'd say most studio only fund contents meant to be enjoyed, no "optional content", it has to be at the same quality as the main-loop and if they add more it must be a paid DLC.Bethesda hire 100 indian studio to produce fake content, but that's because it's the only content their games actually have, and now they try to siphon money out of mod maker.
>>729224052Yes, we know you dumb fucks had unreasonable expectations.
>muh bbi>muh dark arisenShut the fuck up faggots.The reason DD2 turned out shit was because crapcom and crapcom alone decided to rush it out the door to appease shareholders.
>>729226087After 12 years of waiting and a 5 year dev cycle it is not unreasonable to expect a sequel to be bigger than its predecessor.
>>729226331>5 year dev cycleWhere'd you get that number from?
>Japanese Skyrim>Give it nowhere near as much content as real Skyrim
>>729226087I didn't expect BBI levels of content. Honestly didn't really remember DD1 for BBI anyway, I played through BBI only once.But DD1 was a flawed gem, with good bones but very obviously unfinished and unpolished.What I expected out of the second game was those flaws to be addressed.Then they went and made a game with the exact same fucking problems. It even has the same very abrupt ending that comes far earlier than if feels like it should have. This time it won't even have DLC?It was an absolutely pointless sequel.
>>729226087>expecting a sequel to have more content than the first game is unrealsonablewtf is wrong with this specific breed of dogma fanboy that makes them so willing to make excuses DD2's objective negatives? even with the DA area included, DD1 was still a small game in terms of total content, significantly less than other open world games released at the time like base skyrim.There's zero worthy excuses for DD2 to not have at LEAST the same amount of content as DD:DA, at a minimum. And even that would still be a low amount of content compared to DD2's competitors.
>>729226563Itsuno started posting about his next project in 2019, I believe.
>>729226652Because the game was rushed out and then was never allowed to finish because the guy left Capcom.>>729226753DA was an expansion, so yes, expecting a full game and expansion content is unreasonable. I'm not defending the state of dd2 anyways.
>>729223996You forgot when they celebrated 4 million players, not copies sold, but players because they counted people who used the free character editor, a few weeks ago.At least Wilds is finally teaching Crapcom a lesson and I doubt the remaining good will is gonna cause for Pragmata or Onimusha to sell like crazy, only the new RE may have decent numbers but that one is also releasing right before their quarterly report and we know what happend with DD 2 and Wilds which released during the same timeframe.
>>729222758A dd1 remake in dd2 engine would be good.
>>729226937What a dumb measurement.Kys.
>>729227561What else would it be?
>>729227431>at least a game that did well is teaching capcom a lessonIt's time to stop.
>>729228469>Wilds did wellsomeone isn't up to date on the recent financial reportsdid you know that Wilds only sold an additional 100k copies after the 10 million milestone?do you know that they will never reach World's numbers that way?
>>729224052What a retarded expectation lmao also DD2 has more content than Vanilla DD1, please seethe
>>729224447>>729224324They have 3 big games loaded up, I doubt they'd announce DLC now
>>729229259>expecting the same amount of content as DD:DA, which was low by the standard of 10 years ago... is unrealistic!!!!!The retards that defend DD2's pathetic lack of content need to pretend that no other games exisit to do so. SAD! Base skyrim completely Dwarfed DD:DA in terms of content despite being older, and multiple modern open world RPGs completely dwarf DD2's amount of content while costing less. But sure, it's not realistic to expect a sequel to at least match DD:DA's small amount of content, poor little Capcom just don't have the manpower.
>>729229116>muh salesBro, stop. It doesn't matter how little it moved after the first month because 10m is still more than what like 95% of games will ever see.
>>729226087>unreasonable expectations.Kill yourself, you fucking retard. They said over and over again that DD2 was going to be DD1 but finished, not DD1 but on a bigger map and gutted in terms of all the content. They even outright lied during interviews about plenty of special encounters to find like the sphinx.
>Sequel is so bad it retroactively removes the series from the /v/-core listFucking grim.But I was right in calling it a really bad remake of the first game, based purely on the pre-release footage.
>>729230241And the game got rushed out. We all know this.
>>729222758back to your discord kid
>they removed the moon againMotherfuckers.
the fags calling it the same game as DD1 are hilariousI recently started a new DD1 save and was bored dead by the goblin fortress. Gonna start my 3rd DD2 save pretty soon. The game is just that much more fun to play
>>729230117capcom literally said themselves it didn't meet sales expectations ffs.
>>729223058There is enough miltiplayer slop where you can do that, there is an actual LOTR MMO, God, I hate multiplayer fags so much. Go be an extrovert outside
>>729230507we were robbed AGAIN>debug build that leaked even has references to the moon and the tower as wellFUCK AAAAAAAAAA
>>729230514>avoids the elephant of having no endgame, resorts to cope about goblin questYou might as well just have posted a photo of a fox trying to reach some grapes, you sad cunt.
>DD2 announced>People who played it rightfully excited, but tempered knowing it could be a messy, flawed, but fun game>Faggot tortanic shitposters see this and immediately go all about trying to hype the game up far beyond what it was>a lot of idiots fall for it>comes out>fun, but flawed like fans expected>tortanic faggots screech about it being utterly awful because they somehow bought into their own tripe>Can't have a thread about either game anymore without them screechingIt's all so tiring.
>>729230691none of those have DD2's combat/party mechanics.DD2 would still be alive today, with double the sales and probably a BBI style expansion by now if it simply had optional coop at launch.
>>729224165It's literally just a dungeon. 100% identical to the base game mechanically
>>729230483>Sons of the forest Of course they would like a sequel that completely missed what people liked about the first
>>729230797Stop coping fag, consensus is that DD2 was a clear mark down. >everyone actually lov-Spending Christmas at the cope-a-cabana is a sad.
>>729230483Discord raids are real? Never really registered the concept whenever people make such a claim, what a sad existence, if only they could enjoy playing or talking about videogames instead of attempting to derail total strangers for zero benefit
DLC when? PLEASE. I loved DD, got it before Dark Arisen, then replayed multiple times. DD2 was more of what I wanted.
>>729231220Literally who are you quoting?Sorry that you're a sad, pathetic sack of shit who's only joy in life is being a bitch, but I got 100 hours of fun out of the game. I know that's more hours into a game than you've put into gaming as a whole in the last five years, but that's a you problem.
>>729223143This is why every single game should provide players with creation tools. Imagine the shit we could be getting up to if players could create and share campaigns in DD2.
>>729231319They're absolutely real.>>729231220>>729230767>>729230406>>729229259>>729227561>>729226087These are all the same discord tranny. Notice how he's jumping sides just to stir shit but his posts are all one line seethe trying to stir shit, making it obvious.
>>729232140>pick random posts trying to stir shitGo away.
>>729230797>like fans expectedNo, you fucking idiot. When Itsuno had clout, time and money we expected it to be a finished game.
>>729230897On what fucking planet? The only argument you could make for Sons being worse is that the cave structure in the first game was a bit better.
>>729233361>timeGuess what he didn't have?
>>729233451Yes, he got cut off at the end, but we didn't know that until after the fact so people expected it to be finished. That said, there were still a lot of creative decisions in the game that had nothing to do with time crunch that you can't write off because of that, and are just the result of poor design choices.
>>729223896Pretty big improvement. You need a mod to make stagger more forgiving though because otherwise the big cunts will never let you back up.
>>729230483You lost. No one's ever lost as hard as Dragon's Dogma cucks. It's amazing you still have the gall to show here after the humiliation ritual that was DD2
>>729235052I would feel bad for them if it wasn't for the fact that they are fucking schizos who think that every and all criticisms come from some boogiman discord raider. Even capcom hates the game and abandoned it.>No dlc>No content updates >Barely any updates at all>No collabs >Most certainly won't be making another DD game everBut at least they had a blast am I right?
>>729230797DDfan here, spent months hyped as hell, making webs out of every trailer and posting in every thread and the general. The game disappointed me, a lot. No decent dungeons, loot sucks, characters suck when compared to those in DD1, easy as taking a piss in the morning and the story makes no sense at all.Quit coping, you are cringe to both the discord trannies and the actual fans.
>>729235853No, you didn't. Make believable shitposts.
>>729235975keep coping lol
>>729222758You can thank that hack Itsuno
