I finally caved in and got ER games. I was told to get that instead of DS3 if I'm still fairly new to souls games because ER is supposedly easier.Do I play them in order of release or what? Does the story matter at all?Also, why the hell do these games get so much hate?
>>729225173Shadow of the Erdtree is DLC, and you can't access it until you defeat an endgame level super boss in the base game. So it's nearly impossible to play them out of order without some hyper specific grind/planning. Also they get so much hate because they're literally the games that most fly in the face of the narrative that the industry is dying which makes the average /v/tard seethe.
hate doesn't matter. people getting upset or even having genuine complaints should have no effect on you. play in release order if you want to play dark souls. no remaster. story is not important to the fun of the game, but you can still enjoy it.
>>729225173Bad players that got filtered by the combat start hating them. Anyways, in my opinion dark souls 1 is a better entry point into the series. ER is actually harder imo.
Elden ring has better stuff but I enjoyed dark souls 3 more, elden ring is not balanced at all, it is easier because because you can get op items or overlevel if you dont like the challenge, and if you want to face the boss head on you are in a world of hurt. And while riding in the open world I was constantly feeling fomo like I took the wrong turn
It only seems to get much hate because why would someone who likes the game reply in a thread that's like>Elden slop fucking rolling all the time devs should kysIt's a good game but it doesn't hold your hand so you might miss stuff. One good tip that doesn't ruin the discovery aspect of the game is to visit the churches.
>>729225173>Do I play them in order of release or what?The correct order to play them in: Demon's Souls (PS3 or PC, not the USA remake) Dark Souls BloodborneSekiro Optional if you just want more and don't care about quality:Dark Souls 2Dark Souls 3 Skip: Elden RingNightreign>Also, why the hell do these games get so much hate?Because it used to be a cult franchise and now it's dumbed down for normalfags
>>729225173My personal play order was: Dark souls 1 > dark souls 3 > ds 2 > elden ringAnd this is the order I suggest you follow, as well. Because it's a natural progression of difficulty and more mechanics being added over time. The story is not really important, just a plus. These games mostly have lore, not a story.
>>729225619Saying it's easier is misleading as fuck for someone who is new to souls games. Technically it may be true, but it also implies it's an easy game. And that's wrong, it's a hard as balls game for someone new to the genre that can be mitigated by using meta builds but let's not put the illusion into potential players that the game is easy because then we will get retards spamming threads that the game is badly designed or bullshit because it doesn't just roll over for the player.
>>729225173>I finally caved in and got ER games. I was told to get that instead of DS3 if I'm still fairly new to souls games because ER is supposedly easier.if you use all the tools in the game then it could be but the bosses in ER are more challenging mechanically if you are playing the gatekeeper recomended way of playing ie 2 handing a weapon with light armor and rolling to avoid attacks.>Do I play them in order of release or what? the only real reason to do this is because later games have more mechanics/more player moves, so going backwards might be jarring.>Does the story matter at all?each game is its own self contained story for the most part but there are some references.>why the hell do these games get so much hate?its one of those games that filters certain people in a such a way they develop an autistic vendetta against it.If you play ER then just keep in mind leveling your health to about 40 (50-60 if melee) and keeping weapon levels up to date is the most important thing to do in terms of power.You pick weapons based on moveset for the most part as any weapon can be good in dedicated builds. There are some special weapons that are OP to find though if you want to unga bunga brute force the game without actually learning a weapon.
>>729225173You made the right choiceElden Ring is significantly easier than Dark Souls 3This is because ER spaces out the challenges between dungeonsDS3 is essentially one long dungeonStorywise they aren't connected
>>729225728ds2 was my first souls game and you can skip it, it's basically just more dark souls 1 but a bit worse
>>729225173I don't know who told you that, I think DS3 is the far easier game of the two, but I also play solo melee with no weapon buffs or status effects so it might be different if you're taking advantage of all the nice mechanics the game gives you regardless of whether it's ER or DS3.nobody here actually hates it except a few sincere niggers but it's universally loved and it's objectively the greatest game of all time. You're lucky you get to experience it for the first time altogether with the DLC. Have fun, it's excellent.
>>729225173OP BEWARE. Playing ER first deprives you of your virgin Dark Souls run which is one of the best experiences in gaming. I suggest pirating before proceeding and at least beating Sens Fortress. Elden Ring will also hit harder in a good way once you have done that.2 can be skipped unless you get hooked on the sauce. 3 is great, but is not harder than ER, at best it is on par on average for difficulty aside from Torrent letting you cheese some overworld fights.
>>729225689>USA remakeHard disagree with this. There is nothing wrong with the remake. It is graphically much better and feels better to play. A few inaccuracies in the way some characters were redesigned is irrelevant. The souls games are fundamentally gameplay oriented first and foremost. Stop parroting YouTuber opinions.
>>729225890not him but i think DS3 bosses are easier but the regular enemies are a pain in the ass because some randomly have hyper armor and you have no poise
>>729225173Rule of thumb for progressionLevel up your health statFind a weapon you like, level up strength/dex so you can equip itUpgrade the weaponRepeat
>>729225901This.
I do not believe that elden ring is intended to be a first souls game for someone. Margot is the first real boss his level of bullshit would make me quit the game on the spot
>>729225935>A few inaccuracies in the way some characters were redesigned is irrelevant. The souls games are fundamentally gameplay oriented first and foremost.Nah. These games are (or were) masterpieces of environmental storytelling. When you keep the script the same but randomly redesign the environments, architecture and characters, the game becomes an incongruous mess. When I play Demon's Souls I want Demon's Souls, not some diversity hires reinterpretation that disrespects the original creators vision. The only ways in which it feels better to play is the improved framerate and shorter load times, both of which are achievable in the original via emulation.
>>729225173>I was told to get that instead of DS3 if I'm still fairly new to souls games because ER is supposedly easier.It's the reverse, DS3 is easier
>>729225689I agree with this although I think DaS3 is worth playing. ER is open world slop. I like the level design of the older games.
>>729225795Elden Ring is the hardest game with the best tools. It's only easy when you know what they are and where to get them and when.
>>729226160>These games are (or were) masterpieces of environmental storytelling.Most people don't notice that shit. Gameplay and graphics are improved, which is more important.
>>729226261Mimic tear is basically on the main path and it broke my game experience, I either use it and skip the boss or not use and feel like a dumbass holding punches against a boss I cant defeat
>>729225173Probably start with DS1, it's the simplest and easiest and has a fun map to explore. Then DS3, then Elden Ring. If you really like the other games then maybe play DS2 but it's kind of shit and I can't even get it to run well on my PC.>why do these games get so much hateI don't know, they got harder over time and the world maps declined a bit in complexity even though individual levels improved. Doesn't really matter though and you can safely disregard anyone's opinion if they say Elden Ring is a bad game
>>729225173>I finally caved in and got ER games. I was told to get that instead of DS3 if I'm still fairly new to souls games because ER is supposedly easier.Play them all in release order, DeS -> DS1 -> DS2 -> DS3 -> BB -> Sekiro -> ER
>>729226261the summon feature automatically makes it one of the easiest souls games to play offline. ER is only the hardest if you play solo and dont use summons. the summon feature is the games in built easy mode and it infuriates me to no end to think that the fake gamers that pretende to be hardcore gamers and didnt summon actually asked for nerfs to the game and the devs listened instead of telling the shitters to just use summons
>>729226371Mimic Tear is in a secret chest on a side part of an optional dungeon which playing blind you have a very high possibility of not even realized has opened.
>>729226137>new player experienceMaybe you are forgetting that you actually have to beat Iudex Gundyr to even gain access to Firelink Shrine in DS3In Elden Ring you can just die to the tutorial boss and then go farm souls and better equipment in the open world
I’m honestly not sure you should play the souls trilogy first. Those games teach some bad habits, like never leveling vigor and relying almost entirely on rolling and light attacks.But going back to the older titles after elden ring isn’t great either, since you get used to its faster movement and it would make the older games awkward to play
>>729226398>it's kind of shit and I can't even get it to run well on my PC.This funny because I remember playing ds2 because ds1 would run in slow mo for some reason
>>729226398think of it like skyrim, but with actual gameplay. in skyrim you can get 100 enchanting/smithing really fast and basically break the game, if you dont do that then you are "holding punches". Its a roleplay game though, you are suppose to choose a theme to play around, the starting classes gear is endgame appropriate, the uchigatana, longsword, or broadsword can easily be taken throughout the entire game, every starting weapon is A tier.its mostly noobs who are still learning the game who think in terms of trying to find every advantage they can and using them all at once, self limiting and roleplaying has been a thing fans have done with souls since demons souls which is one reason everyone has always said armor doesn't matter and its just for fashion
>>729226360>Gameplay improvedit's identical to the original>Graphics improvedno they fucking didn't, unless you care very much about 60 fps, in which case rpcs3 comes stock with a 60fps patch for the original and is the ideal way to play Demon's Souls at this point. I've played both versions, I don't even hate the remake but it should NOT be anyone's first experience of that game.
>>729226398Agreed. While I am 100% Fromdrone, anyone who doesn't get Elden Ring is 1) Farming YOUs (Gay)2) Sucks at video games and only plays League of Legends/Fortnight (Gay)3) Didn't play Dark Souls first and doesn't have the intuition ER expects (Retarded)Demons Souls is, however, fine to leave as a curiosity for later. Plus it requires emulation or a PS3.
>>729226531> Those games teach some bad habits, like never leveling vigor and relying almost entirely on rolling and light attacks.you got memed bro.Leveling vigor and fatrolling in S tier armor and using shields are all OP as fuck in the older souls games too. People told you not to do that stuff because they didnt want you to just ignore the game mechanics and have a boring gameplay experience.
>>729225548Dark souls 1 is a completely different game, deviating from that formula was always going to alienate part of the fanbase. That doesn't really make either side wrong, they just want different things from the same series.
>>729225901I agree DS1 has the best experience, personally I disliked DS2 and 3. Elden ring is pretty decent so far but I'm also playing through it in co-op
>>729226398>Probably start with DS1DS1 has the best tutorial it teaches you the most important basics very quick and Asylum Demon is a good tutorial boss because it is very slow but still lets you practice maneuvering and stamina management
>>729225435Oh I know. I asked because such hate is really ridiculous for a mostly singleplayer game. I played league for years and at least I know that the hate for it comes from the community and not the game itself...at least when I was playing it. I know that league eventually went to shit with gacha skins and whatnot.
>>729225173>Also, why the hell do these games get so much hate?DS2 getting hate is mostly a forced fanboy war.If you instead mean when people hate on 'rollslop' or 'soulslop' they are generally referring to the hundreds of copycat games Dark Souls have spawned which, aside from a handful of genuinely good games, aren't as well made and it's mostly coming from a place of genre fatigue.
>>729226821I did co-op for my entire Elden Ring playthrough. It's a blast but seamless is mandatory to avoid double killing everything. Don't get carried though, play with someone else that is also new to it and get lost.
>>729225548ER is definitely the hardest game if you plan to play it like DS1, but it's also one of the easiest because it has by far the most tools to make the game easier/suit your playstyle.
>>729226261this, unless you cheese it the final boss in the DLC is wayyy harder than anything in DS3
>>729225901This is very well said
>>729225173Elden Ring is peak souls. It is a bit easier, you can make sense of the story, and there are tons of reliable resources online to make good builds, solve problems, etc. And the community is still large. Best souls 10/10.Dark Souls franchise is more esoteric, more difficult, story is a psychedelic mess, less resources but enough to plan your runs ahead of playing them. It is relatively best to play them in order, but the story is so convoluted it almost doesn't matter.My advice is to use a guide and follow builds up until you're confident you can release the hand that holds you through your baby steps. Traditionally there are soft caps and level caps to your builds that let you customise your characters enough without fucking up your gameplay too much (because if you do shit at random you're gonna get rekt). Also level up VIG, always level up VIG to soft cap, you can deal 1DMG ten times and get hit ten times or you can hit 10DMG zero times and get hit once, understand?
>>729225173Only one tip, don't forget to level up your vigor as well.
>>729225173Play DS1,2,3 before ER because 1 and 2 play very differently from 3 and ER (less rollspam).
>>729228581ER literally has the least roll spam of any souls game. Its the one game you can win without ever rolling because shields are just that good.
