I am trying to get into online cardgames and cannot decide which one would be the most enjoyable. As a kid I used to watch Yu-Gi-Oh! and had some of the cards around 2002. However, I am also looking into the pokemon cardgame and magic the gathering. Which would you recommend and which has a decent size playerbase?
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pokemon is the easiest to learn but has really no depth, magic is the most expensive and full of heckin crossovers but has good gameplay, yugioh has the highest learning curve but plays more like a fighting game with 50/50s and comboing.
>>729229492I am thinking pokemon or Yugioh then, which would you suggest?
>>729229796play pokemon if you like the designs of pokemon, because there's not a whole lot of rewarding gameplay there. if you decide to play yugioh you will probably not win a single game for months if not half a year. it will not be fun. once you get good enough to start winning regularly then it'll be too late and you're addicted.
>>729229492Would you say Pokemon is still the better choice over YGO? I don't care for ranked that much
MtG is by far the best TCG in terms of playability, mechanics, card design and ruling, but my god if it's infested with tranny shit. It's unplayable with how many queer shit there is and how many normalfag crossovers there are, bloating the game with more and more boring mechanics that no one asked for.YGO has one of the worst rulebooks I've ever seen, with tons of inconsistencies that came from the era where they badly translated everything. Card design is extremely boring, with almost every shit being closed to its archetype because Konami is afraid of testing their cards (chad frogs had to pay the ultimate price), and every archetype being consistent slop and streamlined combo shit. Its playerbase is full of niggers, which is way better that tranny the gathering playerbase. Pokemon is now the best TCG only because of its playerbase and consistent card design, even if it's a bit boring.Just play Heartstone idk never played that but it's better than modern TCGs.
>>729229997>>729230015Ok nvm
>>729230018>inconsistencies that came from the era where they badly translated everything99.9% of cards are ruled the same in every language and a handful that aren't still permabanned from back then were errata'd ages ago.The card text is autistic because the timing of effects matters in when things can be interrupted.
>>729229492>yugioh >fighting gameIts a game of solitaire with 0 player interactions, you stupid coping nigger. Unless your idea of fighting game is kusoge ToD tag fighter nonsense.By all TCG metrics, Yugioh is the worst modern card game on the market right now and the game is in a *deep* decline. It can still be great in the right format, but you're a lying faggot.
>>729229997>if you decide to play yugioh you will probably not win a single game for months if not half a yearyou mean because you have to get all the cards for your deck? because learning how to play meta decks is not the high IQ activity yugi players think it isthough after the captcha discussion on /v/, I now know why they would think that
>>729229997>play pokemon if you like the designs of pokemon,If you like Gardevoir*
>>729227874I ended up getting into Magic Arena because I missed the 00s era of Yu Gi Oh. Ive been on and off for some years now, but i think its the easiest one to play for free. Just play and youll get enough ingame money to buy
>>729230228learning any card game isn't a "high IQ activity" but the faceroll nature of the game means that you need a ton of innate knowledge up front to play well. Specially when boards nowadays have moved away from 10 negates click yes boards to more flexible forms to interaction which requires more matchup knowledge
>>729230018>afraid of testing their cardsim probably wasting my time but archetypes were created because from the beginning of yugioh until 2007 every deck was just the best 40-42 carda that existed at the time and there was no reason to play anything else>>729230175you clearly haven't been playing recently anon. most good engines have plays you can make on your opponent's first turn when you're going second.>>729230228ygo is the most free to play of the big three in terms of online gameplay anon. the reason i say that is because the tutorials for yugioh are so bad and its fair to assume anon has no irl friend to teach them because they're askinv /v/ for advice.
>>729230312>>729227874Havent played Magic since last year. Is 0the FF or Avatar expansions good?
For a casual player which is the most "fair"? I mean to say, in a game like chess for example, you could realistically if you start on the bottom still win games due to the nature of the game but other games like say League of Legends you would be crushed early because of a lack of access to playable characters.
>>729230467if by good you mean completely warped the standard format around them then yes
>>729227874>MtgMtg's official sim is arena, it's very much alive. It works well enough, personally I didn't enjoy it very much due to how the dailies were structured. The game itself is solid with simple basic mechanics. Drawing not enough or too many lands can fuck you over, I've heard Arena manipulates your starting hands to balance this in some way, up to you to figure out if that's ok with you or not.>YgoOfficial simulator is master duel. There's still a shitton of people playing. Imo the best official online card game client among any TCGs I've ever used. The only issue is you're playing Yu-Gi-Oh. It's very different from most TCGs, learning curve is high as you must understand your entire deck as most decks are engines that self search pieces trying to build their gameplan in a single turn. Most games end in one to two long turns.>PokémonProbably the simplest game rule wise of all three. No clue what the TCG is up to these days for online play options. I've played pocket but that's just a tiny mobile stripped down version.
>>729229997Ptcg has plenty of rewarding gameplay, especially if you're playing good formats like base-fossil or ex era, but trying to gas up modern yugioh otk engineslop while shitting on the modern ptcg (which I do think is in a bad state especially post twilight masquerade) is just laughable. OP, you're going to have to try all 3 and form an opinion, all three have their pros and fucking awful downsides, and all 3 are pretty fucking ass lately. All 3 have great older formats you can check out easily enough though, with mtg ironically probably being the hardest to find people for since they had one built in via the eternal formats but then fucked over by printing new busted cards directly into them
>>729230642PTCG Live is the current online sim, with tcgone being the sim of choice for old formats
>>729227874>I am trying to get into online cardgames and cannot decide which one would be the most enjoyable.None of them. Online card games are inherently flawed because 90% of the playerbase are sweats who netdeck the best deck and then play only that.The only good way to play card games online is with friends.
>>729227874New player experience of Yugioh is the worst of the three. Go for MTG or Pokemon.
>>729230656oh dont get me wrong, i think both are bad games, its just ygo is better than ptcg is right now. current ygo is actually pretty good, and master duel just had one of the best midrange/control decks of the decade drop in dracotail.
>>729227874It's worth noting that Yugioh KNOWS it's easily the least accessible game in existence so it bribes you with infinity resources if you start playing it.When I played Magic Arena the tutorial segment gave me enough resources for a handful of cards, Pokemon Live I think really wants you to be buying real packs and putting codes inMaster Duel gives you enough for a full power meta deck within a day of installing it no questions asked
>>729227874Every card game is online if you're willing to do webcam games but besides that point are you looking for anything in particular?
>>729231197Saint Seiya TCG online app with good interface and a very active community
>>729230472Eh, depends. Master Duel gave you a lot of resources off the bat and you could immediately build a full deck, but the UR power creep is real. These days you might not be able to immediately afford all the required staples plus your full main engine but could settle for cheaper alternatives. Events give a lot of resources, you shouldn't be waiting very long to complete a deck, and even a second or third oneWhen I played mtg arena I also had enough stuff to build one deck I wanted at the start, but the resource gain afterwards felt miserable, I was pretty much stuck with my single good deck
>>729227874Magic is the best designed but as an IP has crippled itself with recent crossover tedium (which is a shame because it really does have excellent art and designs when it allows itself). YGO is atrocious; the cards don't even look good anymore. I don't know anything about Pokemon.
>>729230392Based Konami stooge.
>>729227874Just get friends who are in to TCGs and play them on Tabletop Simulator so you don't have to engage with the gayest monetization schemes on earth (besides gacha I guess)
>>729231283>Saint SeiyaSorry pal all I could find was an app from 2014 it's dead jim
>>729227874I started playing Master Duel a couple years ago after not touching anything Yu-Gi-Oh related since like 2007It wasn't as hard to get into as some people make out desu
>>729227874One Piece is really fun but there isn’t an official way to play digitally yet. There’s a community simulator it’s not bad just kinda ugly to look at. Iv played pokemon magic dbz and yugioh, i prefer one piece
>>729230887>current ygo is actually pretty good,Not really, man. It's business as usual.
>>729231909This that game died with its creator, before that even arguably
I want to build a dragon deck in Yugioh whether I win or not because I want to be like Kaiba since I just marathoned the first two seasons of the 4kids dub of the anime.
>>729231647>konami stoogeif every single master duel and duel links player switched to dueling book i would be happy. komoney deserves zero dollars.
>>729231892Based One Piece GODI do hope they get around to making an official app or somethingLooks like Digimon is getting one here soonish but not one piece kinda fucked up ngl
>>729227874I think Magic is easier to learn and play.Yugioh is fun when you get to play and do your combos but tiers above gold in MD is just people playing meta bullshit
>>729232218For me it's Armed Dragon I had fun running that deck against newcomers when the game was still fresh now its basically worthlessCHAZZ IT UUUUUUP
>>729233017why would you not play decks that are good?
>>729233082Why would Konami not make a game that's good? Anonymous just finds meta decks distasteful, much like Konami does quality.
>>729230228What >>729230389 is saying. There are so many cards in Yugi that when you get far enough into the game, and get past the shitters, it really boils down, if you aren't playing a tier 1 deck, into can you memorise and remember all starters/interactions of the most popular decks that are currently being played and are you able to play around that or know how to disrupt them and when to do it, and if you are playing a particularly non competitive pet-deck, the question becomes more of, are you able to navigate, disrupt and play around every deck that is thrown at you.
>>729233082All the good decks decide the game before turn 4, that's kind of boring
>>729233754Bad decks do that as wellIn fact shitty decks are usually way more toxic if they manage to play, they're only held back by a lack of consistency. But if they get going they're nearly all just FTKs
>>729227874that card back ground too orange for my liking
>>729234237That’s not the original print blue eyes
>>729227874go play gwent inside the witcher 3
>>729233996>they're only held back by a lack of consistencyremember when TCGs were about luck?
>>729234362YGO still is insofar as any deck needs to be crammed with the requisite handtraps in order to even be playable, let alone viable. If you're going second and you didn't draw the necessary handtrap you're fucked.
>>729234703Yeah exactly. Yugioh is still partially luck based and if you don’t get blessed by the luck you lose. It’s an extreme. And proof yugioh is in an unrecoverable position. The game needs to be remade entirely
>>729234860Or you could just play something else
not OP but will playing Arena help me learn physical MTG, or will the game handhold all the mechanics for me?
>>729234914I have moved on entirely. I use to physically go to tournaments. The game isn’t fun and the top players stack their decks. Cheaters galore. No one will accuse you of shit either, the only way it would happen if it’s blatant bullshit like you have 4 ash blossoms but these niggahs really do be deck stacking, and they use shuffle tricks. This could be rampant any card game desu but yugioh is the only one iv had “professional” exposure to
Legends of Runeterra is pretty good. It's still getting some updates.>muh playerbaseOCGs are a ping-independent 1v1 genre. You won't notice the difference between 100 and 100 million players,
>>729235032>will playing Arena help me learn physical MTGYes. You won't get the complex shit like layers, state-based actions and other granular rules that you need to understand when playing irl, but it teaches you the basics.
>>729235042this has nothing to do with video games
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>>729235343Yeah it does, yugioh is a digital and physical game. It’s the same exact game. Don’t be a fag
>>729227874If you play Magic or Pokemon you'll be able to try other TCGs down the line if you want toIf you play Yugioh you'll never be able to play another card game again without it feeling like a snoozefest
>>729227874don't bother with ygot. someone that has gotten into ygo
>>729235801>If you play Yugioh you'll never be able to play another card game again without it feeling like a snoozefestOlder YGO isn't that different in pacing, and modern YGO is abysmal.
>>729227874I have played all 3 extensively for years. The best online experience you will have is pokemon. It has a great tutorial and card acquisition is easy and simplified. The game however is very stale and has little Interaction with your opponent. You're essentially playing solitaire.Mtg arena client looks nice but card acquisition is hard. The grind is as bad as genshin for scraps. The game has depth but is low ceiling in terms of skill expression. Yugiog master duel client is not good and card acquisition is rough but not as bad as mtg. Gameplay wise it is the most fun to me and there is no other tcg on the market that comes close to the gameplay. People who tell you yugioh is solitare is a tourist or a boomer who got filtered. The game doesnt start when you get a turn. You will be slinging cards turn 0 to disrupt your opponent from playing most games.
>>729235996OP is asking about Master Duel, you pretending to like GOAT has nothing to do with this thread
>>729227874Take it to one of your three (3!) generals.>>>/vg/Or just play eternal card game instead>campaign>PvE gauntlet mode>multiplayer casual or ranked>draft against AI or other players>monthly draft tournament>incredibly generous f2p model>pinnacle of digital-only CCGs>ex-Magic devs
>>729236101>GOATWay to out yourself.
>>729235998>*fixes glasses* heh >normal summons starter>opponent has no ash or veiler >continues to move over a dozen of cards on and off the field>switches engines into another archetype to cheat out a card that isn’t intended to be played with this deck>continues to summon monsters for 5 more minutes>bored ends on 2 negates, a bounce, and an OTK trigger for next turn, plus 1 ash blossom in hand.>your turn bro :)
>>729234860As long Yu-Gi-Oh forces you to have 25% of your deck dedicated to staples and hand traps, it will never be as enjoyable as it could be. Too many games depend on if you draw the out or not at the start, those interactions are not healthy.
>>729236602yugioh has literally never not had staples
>>729236627Not what I said gooblord.
Yugioh decks got way too consistent instead of pulling away from witch of the black forest and sangan they went balls deep into it
>>729236496Then Konami bans the monster meta fags are abusing and gimp old decks cause of it. The philosophy of yugioh is power creep. They kept an entire archetype on the ban list because it was cheap to build 3-4 years after its release. (Dracofags). That deck was ofc OP but it just shows how ridiculous it is. Many new cards get limited to 1 just a month after release and it was always intended to be this way, they should just start printing in the cards (you can only have 1 copy in your deck) at this point if they keep making retarded fuck you shit.
>>729235998Card acquisition is by far the best in Master Duel. I don't see how this is even arguable. MD gives you enough resources to build a new deck almost every month for free and without even playing all that much. Their "dailies" aren't even really dailies since you wait 3 days to do them allPokemon is not the same. Unless you buy the physical cards to put the codes in you're going to have to slowly grind shit out and with a suboptimal deck too since you just can't afford all the good cards with the starting resources.
>>729236496If you are not drawing 1 of your 12 mandatory non engine in opening hand you may just have a bad hand. Alternatively they could be playing breakers to wipe your board without giving you a chance to respond. Or they open full gass and play through it anyway with decks like memento. Otherwise you might just be bad a deck building.
>>729229492I don't know who came up with this idea but Yu-gi-oh is not like a fighting gameUnless going second is like fighting a superboss where you can't do shit 70% of the time.
>>729236496And guess what, you can get screwed by drawing too many or not enough lands in Magic too. Card games have RNG that's just how they work. Quit being a bitch and deck build better so you can more consistently draw your handtraps
>>729237149It depends if you’re playing the physical or the digital. Digital is automatically less competitive since there is no side deck and you’re playing some amalgamation format (standard format or whatever in master duel is a mismatch of OCG and TCG) and a lot of decks that do well in master duel would get skull fucked irl. It’s interesting though I appreciate Konami trying to create a different “game” within yugioh itself
I started the yugioh game and got a dragon deck. genuinely having fun fighting against Computer players
>>729230228learning your own deck isn't that hard and you can easily win if you get your wincon off uninterrupted but the real difficulty for beginners is learning every other player's deck
>>729236602The game is too combo heavy to reverse that. The only alternative is to give archetype cards handtrap functions, but I don't think that's much of a solution either. The game is just busted.
>>729237262I use to routinely place in tournaments. Iv been playing yugioh for a decade. You’ll understand when you’re only allowed to vs sky strikers for 3 years straight
>>729230175The best part of this post is that it quickly lets the reader know that it should be disregarded.
>>729235801>If you play Yugioh you'll never be able to play another card game again without it feeling like a snoozefestAs someone who actively plays many card games, this isn't true. You might unironically have non-meme clinical ADHD
>>729227874pokemon tcg pocket is as good as it gets and manages to filter all the bad community. like people will actually concede instead of wasting your time.
>>729237130$5 in code cards gets me any top meta deck in the format. What does $5 is MD get you? All 3 clients require a month of grinding to MAYBE get a new deck. Pokemon respects your time with alternitive methods of acquiring cards. Assuming we are all adults with jobs or some form of income that allows a $5 allowence. Pokemon respects your time. That is the only upper hand pokemon has.
>>729237625>What does $5 is MD get you?A complete tier 1 World Championship winning meta deck + $5
>>729237208they're the same in the way that unless you dump 1,000 hours in to learn every matchup intricacy you're gonna get got by some stupid gimmick that you had no way to know was coming.
>>729235801Yeah, it's terrifying how in other card games you have to actually play a game instead of winning immediately at the coin flip.
How come it's been literally longer than a DECADE without a new summoning mechanic?
>>729237781konami realized their playerbase will literally buy anything so there's no need to innovating
>>729237781The game will die lmao. There’s already summoning mechanics that are long forgotten but still available (union monsters anyone?)
I don't think Yu-Gi-Oh was ever a great game but revisiting it with Goat and Edison makes me think of how much better the game could be today than it is. It's like Konami made the worst choice at every step and the few stretches of time it was fun were accidents.
>>729237781we dont need more really. at most something like trap cards that start set in your extra deck to be uses on turn zero, or another rework of pendulums. monsters dont need to be able to do more in my opinion.
>>729237871innovate* I'm tired from being a wagie
>>729227874>ruins your formatHi guys :D
>>729237781links already broke the game, any new mechanic will just make it worse
>>729237905Yugioh has never been fun with the strongest decksInstead of embracing that they leaned into making decks stronger and stronger, to where there's no fun to be had unless you're both playing Table 200 no-name dogshit.
>>729237781I think we have enough mechanics now, so a new one would be too much trouble. It would be better to introduce hyper specific summoning condition archetypes cards instead of making a new summoning mechanic imo.
>>729227874>playing digital tcg's in current yearlollmaoThe EOMM metrics are baked into the games on a mechanical level. Garbage like Hearthstone has RNG directly tied to your MTX engagement and lack thereof.
>>729237781What do you mean, we already turned every summoning type except pends into links, what more could you want?
>>729237781they should rework pendulums againso people hate them more
>>729238467>need assload of search and crutches because scales are minus>Zero boss monsters because lack of ED support, DD and Endymion get some leeway.>Need 2-4 cards to get ball rolling in age of 1 card starters, decks also need be 90% pend so no sloppaWhole butthurt with pend makes zero sense. Modern decks literally never go minus and recycle everything during combos.
where the fuck is it
>>729237208It comes from secondaries who don't know what the word neutral means and think fighting games are just trading MvC tier combos.
>>729235801Bakas responding to this post: what other games let you interact with your opponent from the start instead of having to wait for your turn
>>729227874Wait for the digimon card game to come out.
>>729239054>How dare turns exist in turn-based games
>>729232218>I want to build a dragon deck in Yugioh whether I win or not because I want to be like KaibaBlue-Eyes is still a very good deck and Konami just recently revealed a new BEWD that special summons itself when searched and wipes the opponent's field when summoned.
>>729227874Yugioh cards have always looked so aesthetic, especially the early ones. The foil and the embossed golden lettering, just pure kino.Magic foils were always dogshit in comparison, even now.Too bad Nugioh irl is packed to the brim with nignogs and assorted shades of shit.
>>729237772>winning immediately at the coin flip.Skill issue.
>>729239375Is that image supposed to mean anything
>>729239135yeah thats kind of the whole thesis of the past year of yugioh.
They genuinely all kind of suck now and are only played because of years or decades of sunk cost.Magic used to be my favorite, but years of shifting design philosophies have pushed the game into some horrific places. It's now primarily enjoyed by people playing the fan-made-turned-official format called EDH where the actual game is playing second fiddle to just hanging out with your friends. Arena is dogshit and takes months to get a good deck, and standard has been pushed into a pretty shit spot for the past several years anyways. I still play master duel but mostly because of momentum. If I were to stop playing for a week for some reason I probably wouldn't come back.
>>729239424coin flip stopped mattering in yugioh
If my only experience with Yu-Gi-Oh! is the manga and anime and want something like that, what’s the best game for me?
>>729236496>>your turn bro :)Row removal, chain Droplet, Engage, Sangen Summoning :^)
>>729227874>>729229796None of them.Play Flesh&Blood on Talishar dot net"Yu-Gi-OH! is like a fighting game" he says, what a fucking joke lmfao
>>729239731https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_(card_game)
>>729238803Cancelled because Time Stranger flopped.
>>729239731Shadowverse Champion's Battle (the single player switch game)
>>729239709Bull fucking shit
>>729239709Great, every archetype can go second now and not auto-lose? Incredible!Surely that wouldn't just be for one new deck?
>>729240119>Surely that wouldn't just be for one new deck?K9VS, Striker, Gem Knights all have reasonably good going 2nd too so no
>>729240119>every archetypenobody said this
I wonder what's the point of card games having 10k cards if 99% of them are unplayable garbage.
>>729240440pack filler
>>729240440pack filler/alt formats/collectorshit
>>729235380DELTA ACCEL SYNCHRO SUMMON
>>729240440for yugioh? so the players can cope and pretend they can totally play any old archetype they want (and lose instantly to the newest decks)
I'm new to Dracotail but could they have played through this? He FF'd so fast.
>>729241523Looking at it too again, why didn't he destroy SEC instead of Big Welcome Lab.....that literally would've been GG for me.
>>729234310I have a original print too, said on the other yugioh thread, the most beautiful yugioh card.
I just don't get why people here never accept the truth. Master Duel is specifically meant for sacking your opponent. You should really find other TCGs if you want "back and forth". You're not going to have fun until you learn this. This game is way too heavy on "I play you can't play card" oh yeah well I play "fuck you, no you can't play." oh yeah, well fuck you GG i'll meet you at the parking lot.
>>729241753It's just the Alysion waiting room.
>>729241523Some people just don't understand SEC and refuse to learn because they see it so rarely
Reminder the Pot of Greed coin literally has higher Going First rates
>thread about Yugioh/Magic/Pokemon>devolves into just Yugioh discussionwe really own this board huh
>>729238117This is true. The game was kind of fucked from the start, though. Magic existed as a game and sold itself on that basis. YGO cards were being printed before there were even rules.
>>729227874Im currently playing MTG on Arena and its a really fun gameIt feels like classic ygo where you find some weird card and can build an entire deck around it that's has a unique play style and is super fun the problem is its kinda to lare nowEveryone has Avatar and Final Fantasy cards and seing aang and Doctor who fight my Lion warrior just feels weird and completely out of placeIt's making me want to quit the game even though i really enjoy it gameplay wise I just can't get over itYgo has a bunch of TCG simulators so its easy to play online but it's to complicated to get into if you never played itThe game is over in one or two rounds and every deck plays the sameEvery deck is a combo deck that ends on 2 or 3 Omni negates and has a way to play around the same handtraps everyone else plays
>>729243442Shard Bugs will take over the world one day mark my words, I was also more Yu-Gi-Oh inclined myself though and it doesn't seem like anyone wants to talk about the one piece tcg currently so fuck it
>>729243442we're the only one with a good digital client
>>729230132youre lying pice of shit the fact thazt "if" and "when" can ruin entire cards and there is no consistency in hiw these two words are translated from the ocg to the tcg just shows how much of a disingenuous nigger you are
>>729230467What do you mean by good?If you really wanna see Avatar Aang ans Sephiroth duke it out over who gets control over the one ring then youre whats wron with mtg
Tried watching YGO abridged for the first time, this shit is painfully unfunny. Why does it have millions of views?
>>729244462lil bro missed the timing >>729244706it was a different time
>>729244706Right place at the right time. That kind of humor was in back then. People at the card shop would always be reciting lines and I got real tired of it so I got on the hater train early.
>>729235042dont you shuffle your oppent deck in the physical card game?How would you even stack your deck there?
>>729244901Card from graveyard to the top of the deck is a popular one>Oh but you'd see that or check your graveyardYou would be baffled with how much you can get away with if your opponent isn't watching you like a hawk. And if they are, that means their attention is split and they're playing less attention to the game so you can abuse or "forget" clauses
>>729244706It had some moments >"hoy Koiba if you like your blue eyes dragon so much why don't you marry it huh">Atem starts doing the thousand yards stare
>>729229796Pokemon had something going during gens 3 and 4. If they had kept it at that level of complexity, Changed the prize card system to points and fixed the weaknesses like they did with TCG pocket the game would be pretty good. Pocket would be okay but it has the same card effect design as the table top which is to say it has the worst card effect design in the history of card games. I shit you not 99% of all pokemon cards made these days are pack filler and once in a blue moon is anything that doesn't say ex on it viableYugioh is the most high fidelity card game out there, its complete bullshit but in a good way. They've been doing good with the card design as of late. There's always a best deck but theres about 50 rogue/tier decks right now. You will probably need someone to personally teach you how to play though and you would be wise to listen to them when they tell you what to play first because you'll need a beginner deck with simple combos to get into the game quickly.
>>729243442Pokemon is barely a game and yugioh fans don't actually play yugioh so it frees up there time to post on this native American smoke signal clearing for Japanese culture enthusiasts
>>729246090>yugioh fans don't actually play yugiohwut? yugioh is the only card game occupied by people who actually play it instead of collecting/investing
>>729244196Mtg arena is just about the worst way to play magic
>>729227874Pokémon is a smack dab to win where nothing, not even the coinflips matter. And Tranny The Pandering hasn't been a game for at least a decade.
>>729246090>yugioh fans don't actually play yugiohYu-Gi-Oh is the only one of those games who still has a huge casual fanbase. Meanwhile you can go to the Pokemon TCG general on /vp/ and see nothing but stonkers.
I miss playing fnm with my friends so much.
I would fully recommend you pic related as I barely play any 'real' games anymoreBut theres little point discussing it here as /v/ always just screams about F2P or tries to drama farm with yugioh against it
>>729244706It was the first "anime abridged" and it was done by one guy. others had the benefit of treading a path already made for them and a team of writers
>>729246170I tried Arena a couple months back and quit after an hour when the client bugged out and forced me to stare at a card popup until my turn ropedI've been spoiled by Master Duel just fucking working
>>729246321Hey I have a functional Doffy deck I do collect a good amount though
>>729246162>>729246321I don't believe you and time I go to a wally worl/target/whatever the you-gay-hoe cards are usually fully stocked
>>729245913Every big TCG has a sweet spot around the decade mark.Yugioh's edison format has the best gameplay and power level out of any format.With MTG, it's when Modern started.Stormfront is considered the single best Pokemon TCG pack of all time and came out a decade after the game's launch. It's worth noting that WotC's involvement ended right after this.It's worth noting that all three games IMMEDIATELY nosedived into pure dogshit immediately after their absolute peak.
>>729246592Nobody seriously playing any card game actually buys sealed product.
>>729246592>I don't believe you >There's tons of videos on YouTube about Pokescalpers killing one another
>>729237781Anon, new ED mechanics is what broke the game in the first place...
>>729246592Because 95% of Yugioh product is worthless dogshit fillerPeople buy the sets with a lot of good cards
>>729246612I miss modern before horizons
>>729246592Pokémon has that much of a demand because of scalpers and of course the Magic section would be as empty as the X box isle and for the same reason too, because there's no demand there's no supply.
>>729246592>>729246721>>729246723Yugioh has notoriously had shitty product over the past couple of years. It's a known problem.Look up any recent set. $80 MSRP boxes being sold for under $40. Even Justice Hunters, a pack where EVERY SINGLE CARD is part of a Tier 1 deck with zero filler, goes for half off.
>>729246814>Couldn't afford to play modern as high schooler/college student>Salaryman now, can afford to play modern>Format fucking sucks
Don't worry yugibros the little wolves of wallstreet are coming for you
New potential Aki support
https://youtu.be/ZyDm0Q-qNDkDo we agree or nah?
>>729247048Aki's deck is so fucking terrible, hopefully one day they can get it to Jack tier but it's split between a weird mix of plants and dragons.
>>729247009>sealed product skyrocket>single prices nosediveThis could be a good thing
>>729246920I can't help but feel like somebody wished on a monkey's paw to make fetch lands affordable so now modern is so fucked there's no longer a demand for fetchlands
>>729247118>some retarded ecelebHe could be right about everything and I would still disagree
>>729247175Don't hold your breath, it only worked for pokemon. Magic sealed skyrocketed (given it was an actual in demand set) and the singles costs are still fucking stupid.
>>729247284That's literally the 4rd reich führer. I'd advise more respect
>>729247393Respect my dick, faggot
>>729246778How can konami afford to take a bath on most of the sets? Mtg has one set that shits the bed and they go full panic mode
>>729247009>still no gems or digital packs with physical card packs
>>729247460I don't think the game is doing nearly as badly in Japan and that's all they care about
>>729247460Wizards panics because hasbro panics because wizards is literally the only thing keeping that company afloat, so a quarter without good numbers is extremely detrimental.
>>729247048Pretty sure that's intended for Elvennotes. Their tuners are level 1 and their climbing synchro is a plant.
>>729247523This angers me greatly
>>729247324>Magic sealed skyrocketed (given it was an actual in demand set) and the singles costs are still fucking stupid.Other than 2-3 cards in any set everything is pretty affordable>Yeah but I want the super special prints!Proxy lil nigga
>>729247590I don't care what it's intended for. My wife's deck is stealing it
>>729247460Short answer is that they can't and they ARE in panic mode. Stuff like the full arts, Genesys format, and the Rarity Packs are attempts at course correction.The long answer is that LGSs enter contracts with distributors that force them to buy shit products or else they lose partner status. This keeps them afloat until LGSs just decide to drop the game altogether. But even if that happens, Konami is a massive company and Yugioh performs a lot better both digitally and in Japan to cover for KoA's fuckups.
>>729247630When zendikar expeditions first hit in BFZ, Gideon Ally of Zendikar was still a 40 dollar card. This is when you couldn't find fat packs because people were buying them out for full art lands and masterpiece lottery.
>>729247460They sell to game stores, who have to buy product to stay as a tournament storeFewer and fewer stores are willing to put up with this shit though and are just dropping Yugioh instead, so they kind of are in panic mode
>>729242301>chink dracotail>refuses to play against SECwhy do the chinks have loser mentality
When is Konami gonna learn that cards need costs?They've regressed in this regard.
>>729240056BASED BEYOND BELIEF
>>729250285What do you mean learn?We have proof that it's not from incompetence, this sort of card design is intentional.
>>729247845Based
>>729247460Japan and the Asian market keeps YGO afloat. In the West they just overprice the cards to get even.
>>729247118>things I dont like? Slop>stun and combos I like guuudHe's just like every yugituber biased as fuck towards the annoying strar he enjoys so no, he's never right.
>>729247845basado
>>729247845>>729250523>>729250698>hot bitch with daddy issuesYusei is so lucky.
Crazy how a metatard will voice a complaint about the state of the game, then every metatard agrees.But when that same complaint comes from a yugiboomer, they disagree.
>>729240440teaching new playersA lot of cards are "bad" for high competitive play but are perfectly fine for lower level play where they teach players important concepts about card advantage and resourcmanagementIf you newer played ygo or magic and just copy the best deck one to one you will have no idea what youre doing and lose every march even thoug you have the best deck technically If you play something like Heros then you learn how to play the game even though they arent the most competitive deck
>>729251902>people take complaints more seriously when they're from someone who actually plays the gameIs it that crazy though?
Crazy how metatards convince themselves that yugiboomers don't play the game.
Yugioh is by far the best of the three even though it's atrocious now compared to 2002-2007
>>729246170whats the best way to play mtg online then i only know Arena
>>729251914>Abuse Vision Hero Faris/Destiny Hero Malicious combo - the deck>Skill that teaches you how to play YGOSure.
>>729252038>How dare you question if I still play the game all I asked was if Red Eyes Black Dragon was still good
>>729252148I don't believe for a second that any real people enjoy 2002 era Yugioh
>>729251914>If you play the best decks you'll lose because you're new as opposed to where if you play the bad decks you'll lose because the decks are badWhat the actual fuck are you talking about?
Crazy how metatards have no talking points other than strawmanning.
>>7292524172002 casual yugioh is very fun, though.But you're right, peak yugioh was somewhere between 2007 and 2011.
>gay wizard solitaire
>>729251902>metatardWhat does this even mean? People who try to win?Playing bad decks doesn't make you interesting
Ygo is unironically a lawyer game. I've played since 2002 and am literally a lawyer and getting good at Ygo was harder than the bar or cpaAnd no, nobody on this board is actually good outside of me. Being master 1 is akin to being like top 8 at a locals. 99% of people in the Ygo threads here are dumb as fuck and do not understand the game at a genuine level, only surfaceMost people on vee would have set their entire hand of traps to get heavy stormed on turn 1 at table 30Master duel also rewards this with "press yellow to win" so vee threads are genuinely worse than pojo threads full of 11 year Olds
>>729252551>>729252481
>>729227874Well OP I would tell you to play the digimon TCG client. IF IT HAD ONE. WHERE IS ALYSION BANDAI YOU NIGGERS
>>729251914>Almost every card is awful to teach you that most cards are uselessI don't think this is a good lesson
>>729252678>learning to evaluate cards is... le bad!!!
>>729252737So this is the damage needed to defend modern Yugioh...
>>729252417You're a retard then. I've played competitive since lob. Best times in the game-beginning to psv-lon, Gemini elf release changing the entire meta immediately-same 2 months later with Yata -Vampire lord meta PEAK (cyber dragon did not exist yet) -chaos / goat-light sworn vs DAD -EDISONAll better than every bit of Ygo up until tear with multiple turns of thinking ahead at the high level (which you'll never be)
>>729252765>only modern yugioh has bad cards
>>729252886Kill yourself
>>729252237The best way to play a card game is face to face with your friend group/lgs it's a social game
>>729252501Casual anything with a group who decide what decks to bring is always the best. It having a format that forces is what carried MTG in the modern era.Magic standard and CEDH suck balls and both have had their own version of insane power creep as ygo.The difference is magic isnt forever tethered to a boomer anime that made bullshit rules on the fly and extremely godawful strategies hardcarried by plot armor and luck to prioritize storytelling, that people expect the actual game to be like.
>>729252417>NOOOOO people aren't allowed to enjoy slow formats modern players will never understand that speed is bad for this game
>>729252417Boomer yugioh had a lot more interaction and mind games involved. Modern yugioh is about brute forcing your coombo out better than the other coombo there's very little thought to it and very unfun to watch
>>729252470If you play a high end competitive deck like Branded or whatever and copy a decklist you saw from a guy who won a tournament 1 to 1 or youre just gonna lose nonstopYou will not understand the combos and end up with a unoptimised board or youre gonna overextend yourself and end up with no follow up on your next turn or pop the wrong cards and do nothing to effectifely disrupt your opponentIf you play a low power deck like Heroes or whatever then you quickly learn how the game worksWhat starters are and how to disrupt them what staples are good and how to deckbuild after you played a few matches and begin to expand youre knowldege of the game"Bad Cards" exist for that reason for new players to expirent and play against other new players to come to gripes with the game
>>729252417>Retard on vee who can't see the apple can't comprehend mind game metas where you're thinking 3-5 turns aheadAnd nobody is shocked
It's not that complicated dude, most decks are just shit because they don't want them to be good; Konami want to sell new.dek instead.They're not trying to teach you a lesson.
>>729253256speed is irrelevant when I can always build a board that stops you from playing
>>729253401Nigga Heroes is a spreadsheet combo deck that dies to one or two handtrapsIf you're trying to teach them that getting your Stratos Ashed sucks balls then sure I guess thats a way for them to learn but a deck's complexity has nothing to do with how good it is
Modern nugioh isn't fast; REAL yugioh is.You're spending way too much time summoning the card that gets the card that sets the card that searches the card that summons the boss monster, x10.Every fucking turn.
>>729253326>Modern yugioh is about brute forcing your coombo out better than the other coombo there's very little thought to it and very unfun to watchThis is exactly why Branded is the only fun modern deck to watch.Every game is different.>inb4 some silver-rank shartoid tells us how it's just about resolving Branded Fusion
>>729227874
>>729250838Are daddy issues a good thing?
>>729253326You're comparing the best of the old to the worst of the new.I can easily flip that around by saying TOSS has a ton of interaction and back and forth while Boomer yugioh was about bruteforcing your no restrictions burn/exodia FTK or just waiting for the out. The only true difference between the two formats are the amount of extra steps the modern format requires and the summoncreep condensing all the interaction in the span of 2 turns, while oldhead format is simpler mechanically that spreads out the interaction across 10+ turns but in doing so allows long grind games.The real problem is the sameproblem with links. Konami keep making Chase cards with no restrictions for multiple sets, than wonder why theres an autopilot t0 deck crushing everything else. Same exact shit happened when they made gishkis decades ago. When they made frogs and had to ban ten billion burn cards.
>>729253992You don't have sex, lardy.
>>729253992People will post this, go "so true", then have an aneurysm about 15 minute turns and pends existing.
>>729254125Pends shouldn't exist, and you don't have sex either.
Remember this card for next year.
>>729254125I set 5 Pendulums and passNow what? Now what better not be Evenly Matched pls anon have mercy
>>729253091Anon youre on /v/ here you damn well know that none of us leave the house unless we absolutely have toSo whats the best mtg sim?ygo has mdpro3 and Dueling Book whats the mtg equivalant?
>>729254163>pendulum shouldn't existYou should learn to smile and have fun sometimes. Now please wait for my turn to finish.
>>729254276Not him but Arena is perfectly fine, it's just a massive slog and commitment if you're F2P (which you should be).You're going to have a shit time for the first 1-3 months but eventually you have enough resources to pull every new pack on release.
Do we know when they'll show off the next Over Frames? I wanna see more retrains.
>>729227874>trying to get into online cardgames and cannot decide which one would be the most enjoyablenone, especially not ygofuck that entire gameI hear Digimon is okay though, but I don't play it
>>729254276I do this is a unc website half of us have wives and kids bronelius. Just go outside bro what's the worst that can happen?
Is Digimon card game any fun?
>>729246612>EdisonI wish people would start calling that era what it really is Black Wings format so the glazing stops dead in its tracks. Its not any more balanced then any other tier 0 format its just the last time there were no xyz cards or beyond.
>>729254639They'll never retrain the god cards, theyll get an over frame and still be decades outdated
>>729254858Early on, yeahIt's powercreeped to shit now too.
>>729254906Why would we call it that instead of any of the other decks that consistently top tournaments?
>>729252417When they brought it back with that master duel event I was shocked>Play monster>Destruction spell next turn>Play Monster >Destruction trap next turn>Repeat until someone dies at turn 87Its no wonder "cant be destroyed by card effects" became a necessity on all boss monsters for years
>>729254163I wonder how many people that were mildly interested in yugioh saw something like this and said "yeah no fuck that"
>>729255161if you see tummy and decide to leave I don't want you in my game
>>729247118I was gonna say just limit it, but I can recycle Ash every turn even in Spright, provided I actually open it and use it. Dracotail and Fire decks can also recycle Ash every turn if they have 1 copy in rotation.
>>729255161>I wonder how many people that were mildly interested in mtg saw something like this and said "yeah no fuck that"
>>729255310There's an entire demographic of MTG players who quit the game when Planeswalkers were introduced and never looked back.I genuinely have no idea what's going on in the minds of these people.
>>729246432>It was the first "anime abridged"evangelion redeath would like to have a word with you
>>729244462What is your point nigger? Both the TCG and the OCG have if/when words.
>>729255209Pssh yeah whatever she's no maiden of aqua or dark magician girl
>>729255161>beautiful young girl in prime breeding age>call her a witchnip misogyny is cringe
>>729255429Literal NPC.
I play this game for Mean Merciless's Big Gabongas.
>>729255429DMG is so overrated she's mogged even by her brown counterpart
>>729255429You got to admit it’s a great tummy though.
>>729255310This isn't a tick for tack thing lil bro you don't have to get defensive, plus the mechanics are at least actually on the card
i want to fuck the robots
>>729255873That's a psychic dumbass
Gaming
>>729247460>Mtg has one set that shits the bed and they go full panic mode>As if they didn't double down on woke shit after that LoTR set >As if they did anything at all about that 30th anniversary
>>729255517If responded with my cardfu you would have gotten butthurt either way npc
>>729255374it's a shame because they missed like several back to back good sets
>>729255693The tummy is smoochable
>>729256161go away Rebecca
>>729255209Tummy gameTummy metaTummy franchiseTOTAL TUMMY LIFE
>>729256101Just play choice paralysis turbo.
>>729256103The LOTR set was their best selling set in history. It passed the previous best seller's lifetime sales in only two months, then doubled it in six.The Final Fantasy set would go on to outsell LotR's lifetime sales in its first day alone.
>>729256379Nah. I finished it quickly with Ben Kei OTK
>"bro dragon shields are the best!">"bro just use dragon shields!">all the YGO channels shill dragon shield>finally buy some>worst sleeves I've ever usedOkay then...
>>729256437>The LOTR set was their best selling set in history>When Amazon reported a 65% refund rate over that set because blackragorn and his crew made the costumers think that the product was defective >When MTG had so much onsold stuff that Troll and Toad ditched the game altogetherSounds like book cooking, something Wizards has been caught doing before by the way.
Certain Yu-Gi-Oh First Era Fusion Monsters are strangePic related (jester riding a lizard) is the fusion between a lamp genie and an alien bug
>>729256947SOVL Hunter
>>729256879Anon just learned the hard way why the only Yugituber woth listening any advice from is the drunken prophet from Montenegro
>>729256437most of these sells come from scalpers who try to profit from the tcg bubbleOnce the bubble burst and only the actual playerbase remains to buy the products the game is dead
Nice summon chain you got there. It'd be a shame if something were to stop it.
>>729256961I still can't believe this is real. An actual /v/ shitpost turned into a card. It's shit like this that makes me think this is all a simulation.
>>729255161Basically all of the tourists who wished to destroy YU-GI-OH like they destroyed Magic. Paladin Nirvana and Dual Mathematical Cannons have done an invaluable service to keep this game free from the woke locusts.
>>729257301I kneel to endymiGOD for filtering the illiterate wokies
>start running Scarlet Security in Bystial Spright as a meme>it's resolving like crazyhuh
Nothing major left.
>>729257973Search from what? The fuck is H1Pt. The fuck is an activation turn
>>729257973Holy shit that's fucking unreadable.
>>729257973Konami do not hire this man
>>729258127>never heard of hoptlurk moar
>>729257973Search doesn't specify deck. Add can be used to add from GY or banishment.H1PT doesn't differentiate between activating the effect and using it.Special Lock doesn't differentiate between this turn and rest of turn.
don't forget to craft 3 splash mage before the next banlist
>>729258231>Search doesn't specify deck. Add can be used to add from GY or banishment.Part 1.
>>729258348>SRwho cares lol
>>729256879You wanna tell the class what are good sleeves then?
>>729258189Your terminology is shit and unused for a reason.
>>729258231>H1PT doesn't differentiate between activating the effect and using it.Part 2.
>>729258397no sleeves at all!
>>729258359add 1 Dragon monster from your Deck or GY to your hand
>>729258397NTA but I like ultimate guard. Dragon shield have more or less gone down the shitter in terms of quality over the years.
dueled against someone trying to play Volcanic Snake-Eyes in the 30 second event. guess how they lost
>>729258397KMC
>>729258231>Special Lock doesn't differentiate between this turn and rest of turn.Part 3.
>>729258613>kmc Maybe if you're living in 2014.
>>729258397bushiroad sleeves that have Bermuda Triangle girls from Vanguard
>>729258539>from your Deck or GY to your handWhere does "GY" appear in the pic you replied to?
>>729257042>Bro fawns uncontrollably with thirst when explaining lunalights>To the point he commissions some femboy furry version of his avatar getting jerked off by leo+panther dancerThe train autist is a enigma, his condition is terminal (being slavic)
>>729258703Who are you talking about?Sounds based as fuck
>>729230175He's right. Fighting games are all exercises in creating the best ways to ensure your opponent can't play the game
>>729257671
I unironically like UltraPro. Maybe because I've been using them for so long that anything else feels weird to me
>>729258443>You can only use this effect once per turnand>You can only activate this effect once per turnmean two different things.If you Solemn a spell with the latter text, you can then activate a second copy. This is not the case with the former.>>729258693Thunder Seahorse adds from deck to hand. Your Seahorse replaces add with search without specifying.Meanwhile your Magnamhut goes back to add despite it also adding from deck.I understand the appeal of keywords, but you really should go and read some of WotC's old design articles from the 2000s. They talk about keywords a lot, and where it is and isn't appropriate. A lot of what you're trying to do here would go strongly against what Wizards themselves would do.
>>729258397Verre on a microbikini + a transparent one over that.
Thunder...Seahorse...
I'm feeling like just giving up and going DracotailTired of always losing after 1-2 negates or having no fighting chance going second
>>729259284I didn't make this post.
This game fucking sucks.
>MTG players be like keywords are intuitive then turn around and say I firebend 2, tempt the ring, and pay the ninjutsu cost
>>729259321I know you didn't
>>729259370I hate this fortnite slop so much
>>729258764Some yugioh youtuber who used to do top10 cardlists but his gimmick became reviewing obsolete archetypes. Hes a slav so the rank10 war trains are his spirit animal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuhrcxJPOFE
>>729259115>>You can only use this effect once per turn>and>>You can only activate this effect once per turn>mean two different things.I attached a pic so you can see that these two are differentiated.>replaces add with search without specifyingsearch = deck to hand>Meanwhile your Magnamhut goes back to add despite it also adding from deckYes, because "search = deck to hand", not "search = deck or GY (or anything else) to hand".And this is specifically the case so as to NOT run into this issue of ambiguity.Look, you have questions, ask ahead.But stop making assumptions about something you have no experience with.I went through every single card that mentions its own name to see all the different textual constructs.
>>729259556Also Konami listens to this guy's advice when it comes to making legacy support for the archetypes he covers.
Is there a specific property that would cause you to quit YGO if it got its own TCG?
Reminder that this guy trying to mod the text is a jeet who can't understand basic english so he has to mod it to make it more readable for himself.
>>729259723>struggles with non-basic EnglishYeah, you're an ESL, prudejeet, we know.You still mad about that nipple you saw half a year ago?
>>729259713Mario
>>729259713I doubt I'd quit Yugioh but I'd try just about anything if it had a decent online client
>>729259370Something a lot of people also forget is reminder text.Wizards themselves admit that keywords are bad for new players and convoluted for the exact reason you mentioned.They offset this by printing commons/uncommons with very simple effects that use that keyword, and fill the rest of the box up with rulings.So when you open a pack of Magic cards, your rare might just say Firebend 2, but chances are one of the commons you pulled will also have Firebend 2 with the reminder text on it. You can't really do this with yugioh. Even our common pack fillers have no room for reminder text. And including reminder text on top of a paragraph kind of defeats the purpose of shortening card texts on long cards.>>729259575>Yes, because "search = deck to hand", not "search = deck or GY (or anything else) to hand".Magnamhut and Seahorse both add from deck to hand. You used two different keywords despite this.And despite having a keyword for adding from deck to hand, you still had to write out that it had to be added from deck to hand on Magnamhut.And this is just proof of the bigger problem with what you're doing. You're saving a couple of words on a card text for the sake of new players while introducing a dozen other problems that make the new player experience worse.
I PLAY DARK MAGICIAN GIRL!IN ATTACK MODE!!
>>729259556The fact that this person, a shitposters who only talks about fun tier archetypes and the ways to adapt them for modern play is the biggest Yugituber instead to the of a chill or a metasheep to the point that Konami does what says is what keeps giving me hope on this game.
>Pokemon's art is cool as fuck>most of your deck are shitty trainer/items that are just boring humans or pngs of items from the gamewhy would they do thisat least Yugioh makes its spells/traps look equally as cool as the monsters
>>729259874Brosalina?
>>729260132It's-a me
So I've always had a fondness for the Toon cards. What would be the best Yugioh game to create a Toon deck?
>>729260450Better question is how do we save toons?
>>729260021Where's the equip spell to make her lactate, Konami?
>>729260573Your dick is the equip spell
>>729260265Based collection
>>729254236>he think enemacraft will ever be played enough for people to use this
>>729259928>And despite having a keyword for adding from deck to hand, you still had to write out that it had to be added from deck to hand on Magnamhut....so just like pre- and post- PSCT, using different wordings.Just like how there are cards still explaining what piercing is, without using the word piercing, or using Life Points instead of LP, or using remove from play instead of banish.>new playersNew players (of any game) aren't jumping into downloading mods frame 1.You don't like it, you can customize it yourself. There's a DIY kit.You can just delete the stuff you don't like or make entirely new stuff.The files that move text closer to PSCT, the files with erratas from https://texts.ygoresources.com , and the files with shorthands, are all separate from each other. Everything is modular specifically for the purpose of being easily customizable by anyone.This is just my own version, and anyone is welcome to use it if they want, AND welcome to change it how they want.
>>729260560>Retrain Bikuribox to make him a Phantom Of Yubel like monter that also plays the field and glues it to the table >Make a not Pegasus Link 1 monster that makes you plus out the ass if the oponent went first like the one Magic Muskets have >Errata Mimkcat into a Toon card >Make Toon Morphin Jar #2
please play yugioh, we need the new blood
>play draft>only got two wins because I was either mana flooded or mana screwedI hate land so damn muchI fucking hate land so damn much. I get scammed by draft for 2 weeks REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>729260831If you're just making it for yourself then why are you getting pissy every thread?
>>729261286It's been half a year.Feel free to get over it already.
>>729261286Attention fag
>>729261382samefag
kek he's so mad
>>729261464>there is no possible way more than one person disagrees with me, this must clearly be the same guy from 6 months ago>it is totally normal to remember the calendar date of this event, I am not seething
>>729261501All because he got made fun of for being a prude half a year ago.
>>729261607>he got made fun of for being a prude half a year agoWhat happened?
>>729255161If you can't handle us at our Pendulum Witch then you don't deserve us at our D/D/D/D Great Dimension King Arc Crisis
>>729260029What makes yugioh fun are the amount of mid or awful archetypes that have cool themes and utterly nonsensical gimmicksLike you can have a bunch of weather fairies who copy the effects of their backrow vs a warrior so fueled by dragonracism he mistakes other monsters for dragons
>>729261659He throws a fit every time he sees a nude mod, so he got made fun of, and hasn't gotten over it half a year later.He now throws a fit every time he sees ANY mod.
I unironically always lose vs Dracotail or Maliss
>>729227874wait for digimon alysion:)
>>729261730Those are two of the best decks in the game so not surprising
>>729261659He's trying to pull a no-u. Guy who can't read PSCT and trying to mod it out while aggressively going after anyone who calls this stupid is the same person who was spamming his AI Sloppa nude mods in threads about half a year ago. It came to a head when someone called him out and told him to stop spamming sloppa and he had a breakdown, now calling anyone who is against either the text mod or the slop mod a prude who can't handle a nipple.
>>729261760Damn, you really are mad.
I wish I had friends to play grand archive with
>>729256879wait what do you use? dragon shield seems fine to me. I always use them.
>>729261896Me too. I just finished building my first deck
>>729261928Nobody is falling for it John Dragon Shield
>>729239123Any QRD on this? I believe the beta launched a couple of months ago, right?
>>729261962I've had a fire themed Guo Jia deck made since forever. Doesn't matter though
>>729262105I made fire Nico. There's a store that plays the game but it's like 1.5 hours away. I don't want to do that.
>>729239731>If my only experience with Yu-Gi-Oh! is the manga and anime and want something like that, what’s the best game for me?Look up "Legacy of the Duelist: Link Evolution". It's the last single player Yu-Gi-Oh game we got. It's a bit outdate in terms of cards, but it mainly follows the different Yu-Gi-Oh animes. It's a good jumping point for new players to learnt eh mechanics, plus it's like $5 rn.
Oh boy when the vanguard Digital client releases it'll be great
>>729262206I have one closer but they play on a Wednesday right after I'm finished waging. I've played it on tabletop sim with some other anons before but timezones are hard to coordinate
i wish magic the gathering arena wasnt so goddamn disrespectful of the player's time and gay. master duel, you can show up, knock out 2 days worth of missions 10 minutes win or lose with the same deck every time, then fuck off.mtga, you have to log in every day, win preferably at least 4 times, reroll your mission, hope it gets to be more rewarding mission, and play whatever deck fits it. then ultimately the best way to stay ahead of the curve is to draft constantly, hope you either download autodraft tools and/or dont suck shit.
>>729262274I was just about to post vanguard lol. It's a fun little game, not superb or anything but I had a good time. Too bad bushiroad is absolutely incompetent at literally everything. My favorite era got snubbed by covid and then was rebooted. I haven't played in almost 6 years now.
hey i dont have much time before the big family comes overlabs or live twins today?
>>729262428are you asking which one you should play or which one you should jerk off to?
>>729262428Lab
>RANDORI WATCH OU- AND MERRY CHRISTMAS ANONS!
>>729262374I haven't played since g-Guardians came out since thats when i moved to the sticks with no card shops for hours
>>729262540Fuck off Randy
>>729259713I feel like YGO hits the sweet spot on complexity and simplicity. I've tried a lot of other card games and just learning them requires you to take 2-3 hours of just playing the game to even understand what to do on a basic level. YGO you can pick up within one 10 minute duel and you'll understand 90% of the game.The property itself wouldn't matter so much, so long as its not shonenshit slop, so much that the game is mechanically easy to grasp. Though, if it was Symphogear, I'd probably at least buy the decks and collect the cards regardless.
I'M SEETHINGSeething's Greetings to the YGO /v/ bros>>729262540Merry Christmas, bro
>>729261671This guy's actual effects is so underwhelming lol. Most of the text is dedicated to its summon requirements, its only effect is attack every monster on the field(no piercing)
>>729262516>>729262543the only thing i hate is lab has too much yuri shit but live twins has too much hypno ojisan shit. both i hate....
>>729241753I'd say it's the opposite. The point of Master Duel (and Yu-Gi-Oh as a whole) is to win at any cost necessary, not go have a fun back and forth in a charitable way with your opponent. You get the back and forth when you find an opponent who's also out to get you in whatever way he can and the power level, skill set and game state match. It's something that happens naturally every so often. It's not a gentleman's battle, it's a battle to the death.
>>729262970mother fucker thats what i said.
>>729262914>Symphogearlol that's weird I just started this recently and for reasons I can't articulate it gives me massive Yugioh vibes like you could take the whole premise and all the characters and just replace the singing with card games and nothing would change
>>729262970>yugioh duelist can't readfits
>>729262935Merry Christmas DMGfag.
>>729262935Ty Seething anon, hope this year is filled with a dmg mate
Is the digimon card game any good? Its getting an online soon
>>729241753>>729262970We can go back to old replays from 10-20 years ago and see that the game had both more back and forth and also was more fun.Yeah, lots of formats have problem cards and floodgates, but fixing that takes a banlist. Whereas the fundamental problems with modern pacing are inherent to the state of its card design.Easy example:If my opponent blows me out with handtraps today, I lose before getting a second turn.If my opponent flips a Solemn on me in Edison and ends my turn, I'm still setting 1-3 cards and can still win in the future.
>>729263180Yeah. It's easily the best Bandai TCG, mechanically speaking. The memory system alone is award-winning.
>>729263091It was literally made by the director of 5DsHe had an interview where he was like "oh shit I literally just animated Scrap Fist again without realizing it"
>>729263185>We can go back to old replays from 10-20 years ago and see that the game had both more back and forth and also was more fun.I don't think you believe that. Even if you have deaths by a million cuts there were also VERY degenerate shit back then too. cough cough yatagarasu cough cough
>>729263331>It was literally made by the director of 5DsI did not know that but it explains a lot Why couldn't Aki get treated as well as the girls in this show? They're awesome
>>729263102Thanks, bro>>729263146>spoilerThis has to be the year, right?
>>729260560Toon Circular, Toon Poplar, Toon Apollousa, etc
>>729263341I mostly meant the sweetspot between Edison and Tengu Plant.Obviously some scary shit exists there, like Dustshoot blowouts. But again, a format having problems fixable with a banlist is infinitely preferable to a format whose problems are inherent to its design. But yes, I've watched a lot of recent Edison tournaments and I'm always impressed. Games consistently reaching turns 3-5 even when neither player bricks and without it grinding to a halt, meaningful interactions and bluffs and guesses, decision-making made turns in advance. It's nicer than what we have today.t. currently low master with dracotail
>>729263091>lol that's weird I just started this recentlyYou are in for the hypest 5 seasons of any anime ever, Symphogear is literally the most anime of all anime. I don't know how they do it, but somehow it just keeps on becoming more hype.
>>729263331>>729263393fuck now I want to rewatch 5DS too
>>729263630Nothing wrong with that, it's a good show
>>729263630>>729263671I said it last thread but someone explained the premise of 5D's to me and had me believing it was really bad. Then I actually watched and realized it's the coolest thing ever.
>>729263795all 5Ds discussion on the internet is literally just this meme
You DID watch the Jump Festa 5D's VA duel... right?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IobkyEr6NgY
>>729263795It all comes together when the show explains that the motorcycles are a bloodsport to placate the plebians
Thread went quiet because they're all watching this >>729263918
>>729259713Nothing reallyBut I would quit if they started doing endless "crossover" stuff like MTG
>>729263918>yusei's VA is fatBros...
>>729265460>All this time his bike was a mobility scooter
>>729265460Eating fast food makes him feel alive
>>729265460>Yugioh 5Chins
>>729235801>>If you play Yugioh you'll never be able to play another card game again without it feeling like a snoozefestthe actual Yugioh gameplay:
How does your locals smell? Mine smells fine.
>>729265862It usually smells ok except for like the one guy that just refuses to not smell like straight ass
>build a deck on master duel for the funs :D>it's my first deck and it's skull servant deck>just lose 80% of my matches, mostly on first turn, because everyone is playing meta decks on casual play
>>729265862Smells fine unless you go during a smash tournament. I thought you guys were memeing, but it really does smell like someone took a shit the last time they had a smash tournament. There was one filthy fat fuck years ago on another local I sometimes go to that did fucking smell, but he stopped playing.
>>729265812To be fair they have very nice coinsThey were just giving these out at the YCS I went to
>>729263918>sugoi desuuu VAno thanksyeah I'll take my 4kids britbong jack atlas VA over this nonsense
>>729266054Skull Servant did have a half decent gameplan couple years back but it used degen shit that other decks used too and it got banned
>>729266123>Liking 'oi Yusei I'ma throw anotha Resonata on tha barbie' over ORE WA KINGU DATragic
>>729263180it's pretty good but it pisses me off that alysion is not here yet and how likely it is that it'll be mobile shit
>>729227874Do not. Pick another hobby, find one woman who likes you for that. Then find another one, and another one, etc ... Witness them fight for you, select the strongest for yourself. Then play card games. Or whatever you want.
>>729266205yeah, I just quit right after because I had spent a lot of the currency on that deck, and it wasn't worth it at allI shouldn't have tackled the game with "fun" in my mind
>>729266457>I shouldn't have tackled the game with "fun" in my mindMy personal rule is always have one "good" deck then the rest of my decks can be decks that I actually want to play.
>>729266616Nah, every top deck and shit is just waifu decks or cutesy. I'm not into that stuff.Sadly MTG is completely ran over with Fortnite shit and Digimon has a long-ass way to go at this point since they didn't release the TCG during the franchise's peak time.
>>729266054Post your list.I can assure you the problem isn't that it's skull servants. Most decks that have gotten support in the past 5+ years can make it to masters.
>>729266798It was a long time ago, man. I can't be bothered to install again.
>>729266772try the marked man deck
>>729265547He was thin during 5D's but has been fat since Arc-V.
>>729266772>Nah, every top deck and shit is just waifu decks or cutesy. I'm not into that stuff.when did it get this bad? wtf
>>729266054That's a consequence of MD sucking so much. The payerbase shrunk so it's mostly metafags or children now. Konami doesn't care though.fwiw, I don't run current meta engines, and I lose a lot but I still find YGO enjoyable.
>>729266772Check out my cute wife, anon
>>729267101There's literally like 8 cutesy decks there with 5 of them being Yummy variants
>>729267172We know Kaiba. Shouldn't you be spending Christmas with your brother? Stop beating off to dragons
>>729267101>around 5 or 6 out of around 38 decks or so are non-waifu/cutesy
>>729263795>>729263978I feel like it was a return to form for YGO. I liked GX, but, 5DS felt more mature and I have a boner for cyberpunk
>>729267296Explicitly Cute:>Yummy>PurrelyExplicitly Waifu:>Maliss>Lunalight>Sky Striker>Kewl Tune>Azamina>Artmage>Melodius>K9>MermailNeither:>Dracotail>VS>Mitsurugi>Odion>Gem-Knights>Crystron>Blue-Eyes>Memento>DDD>Orcust>Ryzeal>Chimera>Regenesis>Enneacraft>Monarchs>Radiant TyphoonAm I misunderstanding something?
>>729227874yugioh is gay. pokemon nobody plays it. magic is also gay. take your pick. hearthstone is all bots and is also gay
>>729262956LoL what
>>729267894Are you just now learning that Lab depicts a lesbian couple and live twin depicts mindbreak and corruption?Do you just not look at the card art
Calm your tits
>>729267989I'd like to repeat my LoL what
>>729227874If you are going to use official clients play pokemon. The online TCG is incredibly generous and you can build whatever the fuck you want and is easy as fuck to get into. Only play Yugioh if you are willing to spend a literal year or two learning how the fuck everything works and grinding gems for decks. Fuck magic.t. plays pokemon and started playing yugioh again with master duel
>>729267997I want to put one of those entire titties in my mouth
>>729262540christmas with laundry and family
>>729267997Reminder that harpie women are EXCLUSIVELY for Ojama men
>>729232218Good news Blue eyes is tier 2ish right now. Bad news it needs ~20 non generic URs
>>729262543>>729262516yeah i ended up using asuka and aki instead..... lab and live twins have some better stuff but idk these two girls always do it for me
remember
>>729268396even lower tier decks have this problem of being locked behind UR, sucks
>>729235801Fucking true. Doing from something like dracotail to playing commander with my friends puts me to fucking sleep. Then they get mad I play agro to put some fucking cards on the board
>>729240119not yet but it is slowly happening. The faster konami makes every deck either a dedicated going second deck or "OUR TURN" deck support the better
This exact threads pops up once a week of someone asking what digital tcg to play and there is never a good answer. Every single one has major issues. The moment someone makes a digital card game that isn't total shit it's going to dominate this market space.
are dragonmaids good4u?
>>729237130>Card acquisition is by far the best in Master Duel.t. hasn't played pokemon TCG onlineorders of magnitude better than arena though
>>729236496>hmmm>HMMMMMM>lava golem+kaiju>COMBOOOOO
>>729268886I only played MD and Pokemon TCG. What's the issue with both of them? MD is a little too greedy and doesn't have enough staying power. (Game is way too sacky, doesn't have any cute dress up options). Pokemon TCG is UGLY as fuck but the neat thing about buying cards IRL granting you a booster pack online is really neat but TCG free is pretty obnoxious to get good cards.
>>729268080Pokemon TCG Live is the most monkey pawed tcg ever. It is ultra generous to the point of handing you fully built meta decks every season but at the same time the gameplay is so shit and boring that nobody wants to touch it.
>>729269123Is TCG Pocket any good? I just don't like the online client because the avatar and UI design looks like SHIT. But Pokemon is WAY fairer for "muh interaction" meme that /v/ fuckers SEEM to love.
>>729269123yeah I don't disagree. The last time I enjoyed the pokemon TCG was right before tag teams came out. I lied I also enjoyed giritina lostbox when it was full power from a year or two ago
Isnt pokemon pocket really dumbed down gameplay wise and only really exists to milk pack openers?
>>729268501Pend is broken god i hate it so much
>>729269089Biggest issue with MD besides the obvious greed is the fact that they only have 1 format to play despite Yugioh being a game without rotation. You have access to literally every card ever made and Konami refuses to give people new ways to play.It also doesn't help that the 1 playable format is constantly dominated by whatever blatantly pushed new tier 0 archetype.
>>729269168Pocket is more of a pack opening sim that you open once a day while on the toilet. The gameplay is an even more dumbed down version of the normal TCG and has the least amount of actual strategy of any card game.
>>729227874See>>729232275>>729231892There is an unofficial client so you can just create decks and play.TCGs are fucked in the west anyways because of scalpers/secondary market.MtG is one of the best card games but they've been doing dogshit balancing and dumb gimmicks for a few years nowPokemon is simple but also funYGO becomes a different game every few years, it can still be fun depending on the meta. not much interaction anymore (depending on the deck), very high learning curve, not because it's difficult or super high IQ (it's low IQ), it's just you need to know the decks so you know at which card to stop. It's a convoluted mess but you'll be fine if it's digital
>>729269406>TCGs are fucked in the west anyways because of scalpers/secondary market.Nah if you actually want to PLAY a TCG instead of collect then it's really good. Scalpers buying up all the pokemon packs means nothing when you can go on tcgplayer and buy singles. The deck that won pokemon worlds last year costed a total of 55$.The only time this is an issue is when a card game JUST NOW came out. If you want to play the League of Legends card game then singles are overpriced because they haven't printed enough packs yet.
All MD needs to do is CYOC with an ongoing story mode. is that too much to ask for?
I guess it's about time to start saving gemmies for the 4th anniversary. What do we think we're getting this year?
>>729269556Same thing they do every year. Shilling a bunch of old school cards to trick yugiboomers into trying the game for a week.
>>729269123The fact that Live is so unpopular despite the covid pokemon tcg boom really goes to show how bad the gameplay and client are.
Two weeks for kankos
This thread about to die but before it does, does anyone have any recs for indie games that are sorta like Yugioh final arc in the original manga run with Bakura? Aka pick 4-5 nibbas, go on a procedural generated world to defeat the bad guy with random events? bonus if everything is based on dice.
>>729268886The easy solution is single player TCGs.I seriously can't recommend the Pokemon TCG sequel on the gameboy enough. Unironically one of the best TCG titles of all time, holds up to this day.
>>729267783ragebaiters like to imply that if a deck has one or two anime women cards, it's immediately gooner waifuslop
>>729269875Inscryption ahh lookin game
>>729269621Okay but which boomer card?
>>729267783>K9>Artmage>MermailThese are just humanoid archetypes. It just so happens that not every character in them is male. In fact, the main character in each of them is male.Blue-Eyes has a bigger claim to being a waifu deck than they do.
>>729269542Nah, it's fucked.Prices are always pretty expensive compared to Asia.Any new game becomes fucked when it becomes somewhat popular. Flesh and Blood, One Piece>PokemonPokemon has luckily two separate bases. One with players (meta cards) and the expensive stuff is for collectors/investors (alt arts)>YugiohI really like how they keep reprinting staples>MtGLiterally started to print proxies and sell them to retards (like $1000 for 3 15-card boosters)That's how retarded that base is>>729269823Maybe Dicey Dungeon or Roll Player?>>729269875Allegedly the first game is also pretty goodNo idea why they never re-released them or dripfeed that content into the new TCG app
>>729269556I'm thinking there's a high possibility it'll coincide with the try-pack cards being added. 2 nostalgiabait archetypes + waifubait are prime material for cosmeticsmaybe a DM Anniversary Bundle with Dragoon/DMG as a mate
>>729270217>Pokemon has luckily two separate bases. One with players (meta cards) and the expensive stuff is for collectors/investors (alt arts)That is how nearly all card games work nowadays. One Piece is the same way where you can usually build a meta deck for dirt cheap if you are using the regular arts.
>>729270217>Allegedly the first game is also pretty goodIt's fine but you can beat it in half an hour, it's more of a tech demo.The second one has actual challenges and special rules and minigames. >No idea why they never re-released them or dripfeed that content into the new TCG appYou make more money selling gems to whales for banner pulls than you do selling a one-and-done $60 title that will probably only get lukewarm sales and reviews even if it's great.
>>729270217the pokemon TCG is comically cheap BECAUSE of scalping retard. Unless you are being one of those fags rolling in with all max rarity expecting people to jerk you off
>>729269875Single player tcgs never get made anymore since corporations know they can make them multiplayer to milk whales.
>>729269823FFTA or FFT
>>729270330Last time I checked prices was a few months ago but metadecks had at least one card that made their deck expensive.Maybe it will become like Pokemon in that regard
>>729270217dicey dungeon seems cool, the art is meh but the gameplay looks fun
>>729270574.................you are absolutely fucking wrong and everything wrong with this site for that rec.i'm going to smack you up across the head for this.
>>729270580The culprit in One Piece is always promos or the special sets. Whenever something from those is meta the prices can go crazy due to not getting as much printing as core sets.
What the fuck am I looking at
>>729270707Please understand Square niggers are retarded
>>729270392Even before the scalping crisis the pokemon tcg was the cheapest.
>>729270767Mi amigo Purrely, I'd assume
>>729270845because they have always overprinted. Now its even cheaper
>>729269875Solo YGO games are the best ones and it's not close.
>>729270767an honest pure deck
>>729270819>>729270707He's not that wrong
>>729270936he hand trapped me 3 times turn one then scooped when I didn't play into his mulcharmies
>>729271035>My opponent bricked on hand traps lmao what the fuckYeah it happens, why post it here?
>>729271010I'm going to smack you smack smack smack
>>729271694Penalty for using techniques.
>>729270767An erotic deck
>>729270707You can't name a better one than FFTA
>what's 1+1>ffta or fft!sounds fitting that you fuckers can't read
>>729268170Cute!
