Clair Obscur Expedition 33 needs to be studied. People exterminate an entire world while crying, but they want it done in silence."Don't show me SK( illiterate automatic YouTube sub), please"Verso's cock is truly powerful.
>>729244647AI33
>>729244762Your ass is broken
>>729244868MY ASS IS HEAVY
>>729244868>y-yes we used AI but w-we didn't like it!keeek I wonder how many retards will fall for this
>>729244647Because people think Maelle can paint another world with them in it when it was never established if repainting something made it the same creation
>>729245109to be fair if they really did try it out in 2022 AI was still complete ass back then so it's not that inconceivable that they'd just drop it
>>729245109That nigger you posted uses AI to write for him.
>>729245825That's Kanye West not Ye
>>729245592the ai they showed looks exactly like the gibberish text that was around then so their story makes senseai has no issue with text now, its extremely consistant
Why doesn't he want to see SK?
>>729244762>>729244984>>729245109Stop being a meanie, they are nice humans.Don't say "Get off my lawn!"
>>729246207she means Esquie
>>729246207>He
>>729245592yeah but the only reason he's saying this now is faggots on bluesky screeched about it and started to harass him and the other devs
>>729246391>Has
>>729246560>No
>>729246639>Style
>>729244647>the Verso endingLol, funny watching all these low IQ youtube playthrough e-girls get the bad ending
>>729244868>we only used AI in 2022 guise>kept a placeholder texture present in several areas ingame for three yearsuhhh... lol?
>>729246738she played both endings.
>>729246738there is so much headcanon behind both endings
>>729246759Looool.... Shut the fuck up
>>729246842Yes, to be fair she chose Verso's ending in second choice.She chose Maelle's ending in first choice.
>>729244647Reminder Renoir did literally nothing wrong
>>729246881I think the endings are quite clear if you arent retarded.
>>729247070see?
>>729246738Verso's ending is the good ending. Maelle's is the OD ending
>>729246738>the bad endingWrong>>729247197>Verso's ending is the good endingTrueIf you picked anything else there is something wrong with you and you don't understand the human condition. I didn't go back and pick the other one to see as it is objectively wrong.
>>729247371Sacrificing painted Verso to keep her painted family and friends alive doesn't make her a bad person.
>>729247634Both endings have good and bad to them because "lol Clair-Obscur", but Maelle's ending is ultimately far more unhealthy and not what Painter Verso would have wanted.
>>729247634That child verso stuck in the canvas painting forever as he died while in there is a horrible fate and she was being selfish and acting like a child, just like her father said. Verso did the wrote thing to save himself and correct reality. Janeway also did the right thing.
Is this entire site now just retarded zoomers and thirdworlders? There are basically 0 topics where people actually talk about anything anymore, it's all tribal doomposting and memes without any cogent discussion. I have never seen discourse this bad, what the fuck happened to this place?
>>729248131read the posts above yours retard. We are literally discussing the game.
>>729247783Painter Verso is depressed his family is ruining everything.
>>729244647the thing that needs to be studied is just how it buckbroke so many people to the extent that it did. it went past the typical asspain a great game can cause. it genuinely minebroke half of this board to the point they are literally drooling, babbling retards now. is the coping and seething ever going to stop?
>>729244647>exterminateHow do you exterminate a stupid painting?
>>729248374their dead childs soul was part of the painting.
>>729247634The flaw with this line of thinking is that the painting will get burned down as soon as Maelle dies anyways. She literally just proved him right - that his wife and daughter are too fucking dumb not to OD on it and it needs to go permanently.
>>729244647I don't get it.
>>729248307the only people it shattered into a billion pieces were fans who couldn't understand that some people don't like it
>>729248214the entire 'discussion' is itself borne out of retarded tribalism. 'the good ending' vs 'the bad ending,' that's all this fucking site is now. There's no nuanced discussion at all.
>>729244647>Verso's cock is truly powerful.BIC
>>729247950>as he died while in thereWhat? The boy is a fragment of real Verso's soul that he left behind to sustain the canvas. Real Verso died in the fire.Painted Verso isn't real so his feelings don't matter.
>>729248602Play the game my nigga
>>729248625>loser claims winners are actually the mad ones TOP kek
>>729248483It wasnt his actual soul, it was a metaphor for "putting your soul" into your art manifested as a painted figure, likely created by Aline, though the game never explicitly says so.
>>729244647Its literally just 10 death stranding schitzos and their army of ai bots. Welcome to the future of the internet.
>>729248704Did you not notice that there were two versos in the canvas? And that one looked like the others from the outside in the real world?The adult verso was a painted verso, the other was what was left of the real verso. The painted one understood what was happening to his real version, so he did the right thing
Entire world is painting. Non of this shit matters anyway. Heres some shitty 'lets watch' video of a bland girl pretending to cry over a shitty scene
>>729247371>>729247783Who cares about the fate of shitty Gnostic gods? The people of the painting are more important.
>>729247950You misunderstood the scenario. Child Verso is a lingering fragment of Painter Verso's soul within the Canvas that he made. Painter Verso perished in the fire saving his sister.Fragment Verso is torn on the whole situation and would prefer that his family stopped being retarded and go the common sense route of just leaving the Canvas and coming to visit form time to time. Unfortunately his mom and sister are retarded and suicidal about it so that ended up not being an option. He is weighing between "painting" forever to maintain the world but by talking to him he seems to also lean to just wanting to stop and move on, especially with how its affecting his family. Verso was never super big on painting anyway. He was always a musicfag.
>>729248763>likely created by AlineNot correct. She joins the ongoing saga, she didn't create it.>>729248963>You misunderstood the scenarioNo, you did. Look at where the child version was stuck paining and pay attention. He had no body to go back to.
I love this game but sadly it made me realize /v/ is pozzed now. The Maelle ending is the most popular ending here and only a turbo libtard would choose literal paint people over their actually family. Even Reddit is not that woke. Give it 2 years and /v/ will start supporting puberty blockers.
>>729249154>The Maelle ending is the most popular ending hereyou sure? they seem like a loud minority to me, the PLAY THE PIANO shit is more memeworthy so you see it more but any real discussion is dominated by Verso chads
>>729248938Yeah cool. Then they all get deleted anyway once Alicia ODs
>>729249129Why would his soul need to occupy the painting? Chroma is basically magic paint the Painters use, it's represented as soul inside the painting but outside it's simply a tool.There are no rules about a canvas wiping itself when the Painter dies. They enter and exit their canvases over time as well, they don't always need to be present.Because of that I find it more likely that Aline painted the "soul" of Verso to help cope with his death and act like he's still the one adding to the canvas, but it is in fact all her doing.
>>729249553but you see echoes/the souls of aline and even renoir though?
>>729249553NTA but I just interpreted as imprinting a piece of your soul onto your art or work. It's not something Aline or whoever made personally. It was just there left behind by Verso in the core of the world
>>729248660poetic
>>729247057This. Maelle/Alicia was a retard
I hate to use this phrase but people who supports Maelle ending genuinely don't have media literacy . The whole ending is framed as a horror movie, that final shot of Maelle is basically a jump scare. kek To make thinks worse, in the final confrontation between Verso and Maelle they don't even mention the supposed "genocide" those idiots keep talking about. All their dialogues revolved around what is the best for Maelle (conforming to reality or indulging in fantasy). Sciel and Lune, whose opinions would matter the most in support for Maelle ending, barely talked. Not only that but Sciel doesn't seem angry at Verso, Monoco and Esquie supported him all the way through like the good NPCs they are. The soul of Verso who supports the whole canvas being represented by a kid and Maelle basically using violence to force the kid to keep drawing is the icing on the cake. Basically a whole utopia being supported by the surffering and labor of a child. But worse then all of this is their lack of understanding about metaphysics. They genuinely think NPCs could have a soul like a human do. They are the kind of people who think animals should have the same rights as humans.
>>729249669Well that begs a more existential question if that is true of what happens to the soul when the canvas is erased. Is his soul entirely chroma? If so why not create exact copies of yourself? What distinguishes someone in the real world from a painted version?The easiest explanation is Aline made the fractured Verso in grief, without arbitrarily inventing rules about chroma that are never stated. Though maybe they will expand on this in their next game.
>>729250669Renoir and others do believe they are alive, it's just the situation is fucked and he had to do what he had to do to save his wife and daughter since they were too immature. They were basically killing themselves with the escapism to the point where a neutral compromise was apparently impossible. Those two would keep hitting the sauce to fast and hard that they would die rather than come together to grieve and move on.Alicia would end up proving Renoir right in her ending even though he desperately wanted to believe she was telling him the truth.Besides the people of Lumiere were basically all already wiped already so its already iffy. Who is to say Alicia couldn't just migrate them to another Canvas of her own making since she could apparently just manifest the party members back from the aether.
>>729250935I don't think she made kid statue Verso. Her Verso replacement was the Verso we play as. The kid Verso is the remnant of Painter Verso's soul and memory in the painting from when he was kid back when he made the Canvas in the first place.
>>729251319we need more dlc and a sequel
really glad I dropped this game after about 3 hours or so, I hate settings like that where "nothing was real"
>>729252419i'm glad you dropped it too, this game is for white people
How do people live with their eyesockets like that? Does it hurt? How do you clean it?I seen some hobos with that too.
>>729250669>Sciel and Lune, whose opinions would matter the most in support for Maelle ending, barely talked. Not only that but Sciel doesn't seem angry at Verso, Monoco and Esquie supported him all the way through like the good NPCs they are.This is just because the the ending of the game is poorly written. The entire first 2 acts of the game hinges on the lives of these characters mattering.
One ending is objectively stupid and wrong and everyone knows which one.
>>729250669> Sciel and Lune, whose opinions would matter the most in support for Maelle ending, barely talked.Who cares about opinion of women?
>>729249154Not even turbo libtards like the Maelle ending. Resetera did a poll and only 20% picked Maelle after seeing both endings.Anyone who is not a literal child with zero media comprehension can tell the Verso ending is the “good” one.
>>729253580The game basically spells it for you.
>>729253580Only YouTube comments are in support of Maelle. Probably have same IQ as her
>>729249154>The Maelle ending is the most popular ending hereIs it? I felt Verso's ending was generally agreed to be the better choice in the weeks after release.
>>729253580Everyone whose IQ is over 80 knows both endings are bad. Even the authors said that.
The widescale fellation of E33 is, I must confess, a laughable phenomenon to observe.An "indie" game made on a $10 million budget, with a star-studded voice cast and the backing of wealthy investors, while making use of Unreal Engine stock assets - and all propped up by an emotionally manipulative storyline that anyone who's read a book or two beyond the shallow end of contemporary fiction will recognize is trite and mawkish - sweeping every award in 2025 is perfectly fitting.Mechanically, the game completes the illusion. It is a JRPG designed for normies who hate (or rather, are embarrassed to be associated with) JRPGs and are far more interested in an "accessible and immersive" experience. The result is a combat loop that flatters the player’s sense of participation while asking almost nothing of them beyond rhythmic compliance: press the button, watch the spectacle. It's Pavlovian.The narrative is less a story than a checklist of affective cues, engineered to provoke recognition rather than reflection. It's all handled with the kind of solemn obviousness that mistakes earnestness for depth. It insists upon emotion as a substitute for thought.That this design philosophy is rewarded so thoroughly speaks less to the game’s individual failings than to the current critical ecosystem surrounding games. Awards culture increasingly favours works that resemble prestige television. E33's critical success rests almost entirely on an aggressively curated emotional register. Of course, to question the shallowness of such experiences is to risk being framed as elitist, even as the industry openly celebrates projects engineered to offend no one and challenge nothing.Don't mistake my point. E33 is not a catastrophe. It is worse than that: it is exemplary. It represents the logical endpoint of a medium desperate for cultural legitimacy, chasing validation by mimicking the least demanding forms of "serious" art while hollowing out what once made its genres distinct.
>ending A>all our characters die, the family responsible for their suffering gets away with it, the whole journey was pointless. "BUT, it has le pretty colors and le melancholy music!">ending B>the expediton succeeds, everybody gets their deserved outcome, the journey mattered. "B-BUT IT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE!!! ME NOT COMFY ME NOT COMFY!"I feel so sad for versotards, their lack of media literracy prevents from truly grasping the outcomes of both endings, and as expected they chose wrong. They're sorta like monkeys and only see the story through a superficial lens. Just look at this thread, they spout the same usual word salad they learned from their favorite youtuber video essayist, "grief", "npcs", "matrix", "real", "addiction", "delusion", unable to form their own thoughts on the story and what they got from it. One must ask, did versotards even play the game?
>>729253916Neither ending is positive. But one ending has Alicia and her family accept reality and move forward, another ending is drug addict getting OD’d, there big difference between them
>>729244647An AI chatbot made OP
Such a great little indie gem.
>>729244762this.the game is unreal engine sloppa with asset store assets and it uses AI. to call the faggots whom made this turd developers is a massive stretch.
>>729254021Enjoy your suicide ending I guess. They're gonna get wiped out once Alicia bites it for being an immature retard.
>>729253916If you have only two options to choose from, one has to be better than the other, so it's actually the good one.
>>729250669We’re supposed to think the painted people did have sentience to some extent, but by Act 3 it doesn’t matter. They’re all dead and Alicia explicitly can’t bring back anyone she doesn’t know personally and without their fresh chroma. The Lumiere we see in her ending is a dead city: it’s still destroyed, nobody has a life there, and all the “people” we see are literal NPCs who now dress the same and want to see Verso play just like Maelle does. It even extends to her friends: Lune and Sciel are dressed like Maelle’s copies, Sciel how has black hair to make sure her son looks like Verso, nobody has aged, and Sophie and Gustave are still dressed for their gommage. Not creepy at all. The closeups of their faces also all resemble Alicia’s, with one eye covered up and seemingly missing. The whole ending is a horror puppet show. It’s also telling that the Verso ending has a whole new song Aux Ledemains non Écrits (To Unwritten Tomorrows). Look at the lyrics: >Blank canvas, distant horizon>Let's paint together, the colors of tomorrow>In chiaroscuro, endless works>Each step traces the path of a life>To the unwritten tomorrows>Beneath the stars, where all begins, nothing ends>In the embrace of fate>The bond remain, eternal, within the drawingFinally, there are new beginning and an actual hope for the future. A Life to Love, indeed.
>>729247371How can it be the good unending when it's fundamentally unrealistic? If Alicia were forcibly ejected from the painting, which then self-destructed, she'd hang herself, not move on. Moving on and managing one's grief has to be a choice made by the individual, not one made for them. The same way Aline was prepared to kill herself re-entering the painting to hinder Renoir, Alicia would do something equally self-destructive.But the writing couldn't handle that, so everyone just gets better despite none of their issues actually being addressed.
>>729255031Anon you know jumping to suicide because a family member passed is not the usual go to right? Cutting out the magic paint drugs allowed them to come together as a family and grieve in a more healthy manner. She also likely would have come to realize it was for the best given what Verso said to her and she wouldn't kill herself in such a manner after Verso basically saved her twice.
>>729247057He was the only one talking sense and was completely right about his wife and daughter. It was a shame, but the Canvas had to go.
>>729255025>spouts headcanon about the inner working for painter abilities>proceeds to treat it as canon for his biased argument in favor of his favorite endingnever change, versotards
>>729255031But the fundamental issue did get addressed, which is their grief and guilt. Aline and Alicia have met and in the latter case have spent time with Verso again. They could say goodbye, remember what he was like in life, realize what his wishes were, and can now begin to heal.
>>729254504butthurt tranny. your art is shit.
>>729255650no it isn't. pick up a fucking pencil. if you think we will let AI replace us you don't know how fucking angry and energized we are.
>>729255481>game makes it very clear maelle has trouble bringing back 2 people that she has their exact chroma and needs verso's guidance to do so>but we're supposed to believe she is capable of bringing back an entire city's worth of people (who live in a city she didn't feel particularly attached to)
>>729255031> despite none of their issues actually being addressed.Alicia’s issues were addressed, before she saw herself as cripple with no future, none loving her, bad at everything, blamed herself for killing Verso and on top of that Clea and Aline also blamed her. So she wanted to hide in fantasy world were none of it were true.But she can paint, she’s has future, she’s Renoir favourite child, Aline will get over it and stop blaming Alicia
>>729255481>>spouts headcanon about the inner working for painter abilitiesthat's every justification for going with an ending>Maelle can just repaint everything>Oh, obviously those are just fake new people Maelle created>Everyone else in the family had the wack ass eye shit, so why is it such a horrible thing if she does too?
>>729255829you've wasted your life. better work on getting some real skills.
What's SK?
>>729253950Not reading that and I know it's pasta, since I've seen it at least once before (haven't read then either), but it's Christmas, so here's a (You).
>>729256098she said esquie and it captioned it as sk.
>>729256098esquieeskee
When did /v/ care about killing people in video games?
>>729256320The Undertale-Call of Duty double whammy was too much
>>729255908Alicia is also canonically the worst painter in the family, mind you. She herself says she doesn’t have the skill of her parents or Verso and the biggest feat she manages by herself is scribbling graffiti on the monolith.
>>729256583She's prefers writing.
>>729256098S*uth K*reaForgive me for typing out these vile words
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>>729255481Most arguments I've seen against Maelle's ending are literally conjecture about her abilities and the existence of Lumiere citizens post-game made into headcannon.Painted Alicia, Verso's soul, and even Clea discuss the validity of the existence of painted beings and unfortunately hint at some sort of happy ending that Sandfall probably cut because it takes away from the current two endings.
>>729244647>Verso's cock is truly powerfulHmmmmmmmm
>>729257507I thought maxxing out your relationship with everyone would reveal a secret option if you refused to attack as either of them, only dodge, to be honestthat would've super kino
>>729257507> Most arguments I've seen against Maelle's ending are literally conjectureMost arguments against Maelles ending is that she’s killing her self, her family and torturing soul of her brother to live in make believe world
>>729257507The obvious good ending would be Alicia and Aline growing the fuck up and compromising to step away from the Canvas. They'd be free to all go there from time to time in a healthy manner as a family while being mature enough to leave. Painted Alicia spells it out in her letter. Unfortunately, Alicia and Aline were too retarded and Painted Verso was too much of a liar stuck on his plan at that point so such a compromise was thrown out the window. Of the two endings though, Verso's is more healthy overall. As mentioned pretty much everyone was already dead by the endgame
>>729255908let me enlighten you on Maelle's painting abilities.we don't know their extent, it is vague on purpose so that people can fill the rest with their headcanon and argue endlessly online.for those who desperately want maelle's ending to be an awful dystopia, then she'll either be so weak she can't bring back anyone as they were, or so strong she can manipulate everybody around her like puppets. You want maelle's ending to be bad, because muh grief of muh not real or muh moving on or muh escapism bad, so you'll make what you want of her abilities so that it always goes in your favor.This is why discussing Maelle's abilities is not interesting when weighting the value of each ending, the focus should rather be on the player's journey and what they feel is the more appropriate outcome for these beloved characters.
>>729258513clea dick rides alicia's abilities if you manage to beat her op as fuck minions
>>729257769it's only make believe to the Painters and players who empathize with them over Painted beings. The game presents the painters are real humans and thus painted people who be fake, but I view them closer to Gods in the universe, and the beings they create as closer to regular people.The first two acts of the game build up the world pretty clearly as alive. I get that Sandfall wanted to focus the story on the grief of the Dessendre Family, but it does get that whiplash by the Third Act where it kind of abandons the question of whether painted beings were real or not.If it comes down to choosing a retarded family of gods get over their drama, or saving an entire population of people then I will side with people in the Canvas.
>>729258669> or saving an entire population of people then I will side with people in the Canvas.So what about thousands of even millions of other people Alicia is not going to paint because she’s stuck in her brother canvas killing herself?
>>729258990>whataboutism about hypothetical future people over the current existing people/people that are brought back
>>729259147> whataboutism about hypothetical future peopleEveryone but Sciel and Lune are dead, Lumiere population is as hypothetical as those Alicia will go on to paint. So explain to me, why Alicia going on to potentially paint more world that will LIKELY enjoy decades of real world time of existence don’t deserve to exist but Lumiere deserves to exist for brief few weeks/months before Alicia dies?
>>729244647It is truly beautiful to see people doing what is right even if it's hardYou will get stabbed to death by niggers and bleed out on the streets
>>729258990>>729259578what is it with versotards and their absolute inability to connect with the story and the characters?they'll literally argue about other future beings in other canvases we'll never see or hear about rather than the actual world and characters from the game, this is just embarassing at this point, like they don't even understand the basics of narration.
>>729259578>likelyThe citizens that come back are not hypothetical, they're literally there in the ending.What is hypothetical is the assumption Alicia will continue to paint after these events
>>729259902> inability to connect with the story and the characters?Oh I did, I connected with Verso so I won’t see his self sacrifice go to waste
>>729254021I like/prefer the outcome of ending B, more so because I care about the painted people more than the family, especially Maelle/Alicia. But her bringing back an aged up Verso against his wishes really soured it for me.
>>729259965This is called hope for better tomorrow, it’s not certain but hopeful. If she’ll continue to be Paintress, which is likely, she will create more beautiful worlds than single Lumiere
>>729260413That's not really an argument against Maelle's ending though. Following your logic, It's just as valid for me to argue that she'll get over her loss, exit Verso's Canvas and then paint afterwards
>>729245208The painters can change any of their creations at will whenever they want.
>>729253580Damn, you are right. https://www.resetera.com/threads/clair-obscur%E2%80%99s-ending-what-is-your-standing-on-it-poll-obvious-open-spoilers.1189572/Modern /v/ is literally more woke than Resetera. I said in 2 years /v/ will start supporting puberty blockers, but i think that is already the case. In 2 years /v/ will support open boarders, 9 month abortion and the abolition of private property
>>729260647> It's just as valid for me to argue that she'll get over her lossThere’s nothing stating or even alluding to Alicia never being Paintress again in Verso ending, in fact Verso says she’s going to be great paintress and everything will be okay. There is however clear signs she’s not going to be over Verso death in her own ending, just like Aline refused to.Basically you’re making shit up
>>729254504Show me one asset in the game that's AI.
>>729261048>you're just making shit upAre you an idiot? That was the point. I said by your logic, because you were making shit up too. You cant argue using hypotheticals as a basis of your side precisely for this reason.Furthermore, Verso did not necessarily say she would be a great paintress, just that she would be successful and happy. There no evidence whether she would continue painting or not, so again, not something you can use for an argument.
>>729261195The dynamic hair physics :^)
