How do you feel about the criminal gameshow host called Mike?And wouldn't he and Spade Queen be a cute couple? Better him than that sneaky John Bishop.
>>729250216Deltaswap isabelle
suselle is canon
>>729250216Im going to ship Tenma...WITH A GIRL!
>>729250216You just reminded me I haven't heard any dipshit talking about "Chess Theory" in months, thank you
>>729252131what was the chess theory even about
>>729250216the idea we had of what deltarune would be was better than what deltarune is turning out to be
>>729252214Blame Toby for releasing his game in chunks spaced out by several years.
>>729252214You're out of your goddamn mind
>>729250216>Spade Queen
>>729252131It's still alive btw.
>>729252208After Chapter 1, people picked up on the fact that the first two bosses were a King and Queen (ignoring the fact that they're cards as far as we knew) and there was also a Knight involved, so they came up with the idea that the Chapter bosses would be themed around chess pieces in descending order of valueChapter 1 was King, Chapter 2 is Queen, Chapter 3 would be "Rook" (this is where the bullshit starts), Chapter 4 would be a Bishop, Chapter 5 is The Knight, Chapter 6 would be uhhh a pawn who's totally your vessel or something, and Chapter 7 oops we ran out of pieces uhh it's You, the player!
>>729252208Chapter 1 = KingChapter 2 = QueenthereforeChapter 3 = RookChapter 4 = BishopChapter 5 = KnightChapter 6 = Pawn
>>729252556My favorite chess pieces, the flower and the sword
>>729252729flower = rooksword = pawn
All money on Prince of the Dark Dess. Ralsei is a fraud.
>>729252991How is a King a "rook"
>>729253829Maybe we wont actually fight asgore
>>729252729>He hasn't played advanced chess.
>>729253062Makes sense. Ralsei can't be a prince, he's my wife
>>729254012This is the true btw. The main boss is the actual flowers.
>>729254201flower blowjob
>>729254012>>729254201>the chapter 5 boss is actually Alphys's MewMew bodypillow>it's not even the flower shop>expectations subverted>tricky tony did it again
>>729254798but toby's subversion are cool and he even addressed the mike fans with an optional boss fight and those guys being important for the next chapter? He isn't Andrew Hussie bro
>>729254494Frisk and Flowey are in a heterosexual relationship.
>>729254798I actually do think cats are going to be important in Chapter 5 actually, since Snowdin had tons of dogs.
>>729254965then who was blowjob flower?
>>729255098(You)
>>729254201>Jealously blooms into a literal nightmare gardenThat is a really good chance to make something spooky, tragic and cool
>>729252836where's all the art of Dess molesting Kris
>>729255582Again? The same 10pics?
>>729255582Just look up a previous thread in the archives and you'll find all the pics. I'm surprised you haven't had all of them saved already given how often they're spammed.
Kris and Noelle?Secretly enjoying the weird route
>>729255378Honestly I am looking forward to Asgore’s bouquet flowers way more than Asgore himself and I wish fans made as much fan designs for it as they did for Mike.
>>729255582Just search Dess and Kris in boorus and rule 34/e621.
>>729255738>>729255804yeah that's why I'm asking, I need more to be made
>>729254918>toby's subversion are coolyeah it was cool when Mike meant nothing, and "criminal gameshow" host meant nothing" and "TV world" wasn't actually a TV chapter, and all the obvious Kris Knight hints were red herrings, and onion san wasn't there, and Papyrus is still gone after seven real life years, and Toriel sleeping through the whole chapter, and Toriel is a bitch, and How To Draw Dragons didn't show up in the dark world, and Catti is just a joke character, and Undyne barely did anything, and...>>729255029Because patterns predicted shit so well in the past>>729255896Get ready to see them not being acknowledged at all
here he comes nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgtNVbKFJyI
>>729256217Sorry doomerbro but we already know the blue flower exists, which means the others exist as well
>>729256502>we already know the blue flower existshow?
>>729256217the game isn't even finished and you are already doomposting.
>>729255896>bouquet flowersThat one could had been the schizo boss in ch3I think we will see something with the suspicious colored flowers.. Or if the DW is on the outside then again expectations are thrown away
>>729256960We still have like 4 years left before the end is in sight so he might as well get started now.
>>729256953
>>729256973I never believed for a second that the secret boss would have been the trash flowers. I knew in my heart that they would only matter if Asgore’s shop had a Dark World in it.
>>729257104Where do you get that flavor text?
>>729257104so, the upcoming schizo boss or waifu darkner?
>>729257209one of ms mizzle's acts
>>729257209ACTing on Ms. Mizzle >>729257346Main boss. All of the flowers will be to mirror both Sans and Papyrus.
>>729255820this is the true endgame of snowgrave
>>729255820How wet was she?
>>729256217>took the literal sleaziest most desperate salesman in existence at his word>thought all signs of Kris being up to something pre-ch3 were SPECIFICALLY krisknight and don't point just as much to Kris being in a conspiracy with the knight>believed fandom headcanon of Toriel being some kind of spectacular momYeah. Toby's ACTUAL SUBVERSIONS are cool. Whatever bullshit you expected wasn't reasonable in the first place.>BUT MUH MIIIIIKEI was never on board with that shit. I hated that entire era of the fandom.
>>729257439WHY IS NOELLE FAT
>>729257584funny
>>729257348>>729257412How very interestingIt also means asgore uses the church's water for his flowers.... He really is penniless
>>729256960>>729257080I simply choose to not ignore the cracks anymore. Toby saying all the way back he doesn't expect people to enjoy the ending shows he will not bow down his vision for anything.>>729257104Sure that will mean anything at all in the end. ......Mike......Okay, I admit I really wanna know if there is a hidden Red Flower too, and if it happens to also be a red rose.>>729255896>I wish fans made as much fan designs for it as they did for Mike.I'm being real with you, the Mikes simply killed the mood for that sort of fanart.
>>729253062Alternatively, Dess Prince being just going Sheik mode and pretending to be a guy to hide her identity from Noelle.
>>729256217>yeah it was cool when Mike meant nothingSpamton's delusional ramblings about somebody he used to know are still that, like they always were>and "criminal gameshow" host meant nothing"That was talking about Tenna>and "TV world" wasn't actually a TV chapterHow was it not?>and all the obvious Kris Knight hints were red herringsThe "hint" was that they opened a fountain, which anyone could do. The evidence of their premeditated actions showed that they had a plan but them being The Knight created way too many problems in the story. We tried to warn you!>and onion san wasn't thereThey got him.>and Papyrus is still gone after seven real life yearsYou were told that he's busy.>and Toriel sleeping through the whole chapterOf course that was going to happen, how was the story going to move forward if Toriel knows about the Dark Worlds?>and Toriel is a bitchAsgorekeks please brace for Chapter 5>and How To Draw Dragons didn't show up in the dark worldDeltarune is a game for good boys and girls>and Catti is just a joke character.>and Undyne barely did anythingWhat did you expect her to do?
>>729257867Being a jaded faggot doesn't make you deep. Grow up.
Hey does anyone else think it's kind of weird that there was concept art of the River Person wearing Asgore's shirt
>>729256217>TV world wasn’t a TV chapterBut it was though?You fought a TV man
>>729257867>I'm being real with you, the Mikes simply killed the mood for that sort of fanart.Honestly, yeah. That's probably the reason we basically don't see any fanmade darkners anymore. A shame, it doesn't hurt to IMAGINE.
>>729257843saddest thing about asgore is that he could make money if he wanted to, but he just gives flowers away for free iirc carol's letter to him in ch1 says as much
Dess is Human.The knight being Dess is a red herring it's actually someone we haven't met yet.
>>729258536Toriel must have been the one who twisted his balls when he was being too much of a pushover. Now that she no longer wants anything to do with him he is going to be ground up.
>>729258629>Dess is humanDESS MADE ME RAPE NOELLE AND KILL BERDLY
>>729258629dess isn't human just because she has a defined gender instead of they/them, toby will never make a gendered human
>>729258629Toby will never ever make a gendered human.
>>729258536UT asgore st least seems to have a better life even if he too is divorced and sad
>>729259238Asgore is more miserable in Undertale because his children are dead and he is a murderer.
>>729253829A rook from above looks like a flower dumbass
Unlimited access to human boys:
No access to human boys:
>>729261035I will stop her.
>>729257553>>took the literal sleaziest most desperate salesman in existence at his wordThe literal murderhobo schizophrenic clown was correct about Queen. And every Undertale section foreshadowed the next characters.>>thought all signs of Kris being up to something pre-ch3 were SPECIFICALLY krisknight and don't point just as much to Kris being in a conspiracy with the knightChapter 2 was full of Kris Knight "tells" like the knife, and him being a sneaky piece of shit. Even the end of chapter 3 is set up like a liars reveal before the rug pull.>>believed fandom headcanon of Toriel being some kind of spectacular momI hated how people saw Toriel before this, but even I felt that was just a giant middle finger to fans of her (and Sans).>>729257967>That was talking about TennaHe isn't a gangster boss like over half of fan made designs expected.>How was it not?Over half of the fucking chapter is a Zelda game, and the boss is a gaming creepypasta demon. There are more retro gaming references than TV references, despite the fact the previous chapter was a computer world.>They got him.Yeah, the excuse should be at least this good.>You were told that he's busy.Don't tease it chapter 1 AND 2 if you're not gonna follow on that.>Of course that was going to happen, how was the story going to move forward if Toriel knows about the Dark Worlds?Whatever, it was all a dream, the gags are more important.>Asgorekeks please brace for Chapter 5this is gonna be depressing, ain't it?>What did you expect her to do?Her stumbling into movie sets or something
>>729261105Why is she like this?
Qu'il battâtHe who will bat
>>729261410She didn't listen to Marche.
>>729261771>Grooming little boys was escapism to Dess
>>729258398I want to believe this will get better, but I have no reason for.It's a story as old as time, the well received series goes on for long enough to piss off everyone.
>>729253829It looks like asgore is a midget with huge arms
>>729261157>He isn't a gangster boss like over half of fan made designs expected.That's because the fans are dipshits who went into a frenzy trying to shoehorn "TV guy" as "Mike C"Rook" Phone">There are more retro gaming references than TV referencesKris was more interested in using their TV to play games than to watch shows, like you'd expect from a kid.There's still plenty of TV elements throughout the games and chapter (Quiz Shows, cooking show, MTV, etc), but I appreciate how Toby framed a lot of the chapter around the specific experience of playing games together with friends in person, sharing a couch in front of the same TV. The whole segment on the second board with Susie switching everyone's controllers and what comes from that was really unique storytelling I haven't seen anywhere else.>this is gonna be depressing, ain't it?I think that people who actually understand Asgore's character will appreciate seeing him vindicated in some way, even if he meets another tragic end, but the people projecting hard about their parents' divorce and their bitch mothers will predictably seethe again.
>>729252640Seems to me it's still alive, they just got the order wrong>King>Queen>Knight - CH3 >Bishop - Alvin and Gerson, CH4That bishop is stretching the definition tho
>>729262004I feel like the WAIT to Chapter 6 and 7 will probably bring back the schizophrenia and creativity of the Chapter 2 fandom. Hopefully.
>>729262421>That's because the fans are dipshits who went into a frenzy trying to shoehorn "TV guy" as "Mike C"Rook" Phone"What the fuck lmao
>>729261105would
>>729262604It's not an exaggeration to say a major reason they did the Spamton Sweepstakes was to put out the fires of the fans' insane obsession with "Mike" after Chapter 2One million shitty TV head/microphone head game show host knockoffs of each other, thank god Toby went with the psuedo-3D artstyle for Tenna so he completely stands out from all of themToby making the Mike Room and doing a whole unique boss and minigame setup to riff on the fandom's theorycrafting was completely justified don't trust anyone who tells you otherwise
It's gonna be funny when CH7 releases and everyone is filtered by the game taking itself way too seriously.We already see that with people saying CH2 was the peak.Hell, it might still be the case once the entire game is out.CH3 was already losing steam with the zelda mini-game but it still had some cool stuff in it.CH4 on the other hand tried so hard to make me take the story and the profecy so seriously that I just can't enjoy it anymore.
>>729263067Ch2 is considered the best due to Spamton and snowgrave
>>729263067Most of the casual fandom loved 4. I think most people will enjoy Deltarune becoming more serious (even though I don't think that will happen myself)
>>729263394Yes and those are just edgy themes that help contrast the lighthearted main route.CH3 did the same with Eram and the Roaring Knight to a lesser degree.CH4 just cucks out of that with the only interesting bit being the 20 seconds long doe rape scene.Gerson and the Titan are boring as shit and the secret boss is a literal middle finger to the fanbase.
>>729263646>the secret boss is a literal middle finger to the fanbasethe fuck are you smoking
>>729263804Mike turning out to be a joke and le every theory was right xD pls clap
>>729263804I assume he's talking about Mike.
>>729263850this is just pathetic, man
>>729263850>>729263853mike isn't the secret boss dipshit, that's gerson
>>729251814YOU FIEND!!!
>>729263880It's an objectively shitty joke, toby fucked this up real bad, stop defending it.>>729263916Gerson is not really a secret and is very much part of the main story.Mike is more of a secret.
>>729263916I agree, but technically both Gerson and the Mike trio are secret bosses, with Gerson being the Shadow Crystal boss.
>>729263994It was a really funny joke and the fandom was being retarded about Mike lol.
>>729263994>It's an objectively shitty joke, toby fucked this up real bad, stop defending it.
>>729264148>>729264163>haha mike is actually le cowboy and le cat and le microphone xDDD so funneh!>all that foreshadowing? it didn't matter! thinking about this stuff is too hard guise!
>>729263994Says you, the joke was great and the Mike bossfight was pretty fun. I don't see why the fandom theorizing is something sacred you should never make fun of, the theories were pretty dumb and got way more respect then they deserved with Toby even coming up with three designs to represent the most popular Mike designs and making a whole track that's just a shitton of leitmotifs. It was playful ribbing at most, come on
>>729264254All the foreshadowing still applied perfectly to TENNA you dumbass, Mike wasn't all Spamton talked about. Hell, he was one line.
>>729264281Because the game tries so hard for me to take it seriously and then just throws me that shitty half-baked joke just because Toby couldn't be assed to make Mike into a real character.
>>729264254absolutely mindbroken
>>729255969>e621[laughs in Carolinese]
>>729264365We're not talking about Tenna here.Also there's clearly some retconned stuff around the whole thing and probably why CH3 took so long to finish.
>>729264453The foreshadowing wasn't wasted, it just didn't line up perfectly with the character you had in your head, dumbass. It was about Tenna, not about Mike.
>>729264541>it just didn't line up perfectly with the character you had in your headThere was NO character at all, retard.That's the fucking problem.Toby chose the easy way out and people defend that shit
>>729263067People who aren't irony-poisoned bitter contrarians actually like these games
>>729264619you are so fucking stupid lmfao
So is this game a bunch of pretentious dribble like Toby's last game?
>>729264619>wtf why did the story introduce new characters in a new dark world????are you retarded or something
>>729264650>irony-poisonedYou mean the entire Mike bit?It's like even he's calling himself out with this shit lolwhat a pretentious faggot>>729264683>no argumentI accept your concession.
>>729264619>Toby should have changed his story to make the fanfiction I made up real
>>729264148>>729263804>its not a middle finger>okay it is but the fandom was being retarded about MikeKill yourself, Toby.
Toby should keep doing this every chapter. Keep the fandom on their toes
>>729264748The story already set Mike to be an actual character if you actually paid attention in Chapter 2.
>>729264740You can pretend you won, but you'll still be mad. You're angry at video games. You will always be the loser as long as you're mad at video games. The fact that you're mad at video games makes Tricky Tony's joke that much funnier.
>>729264862>you are LE MAD And you're not?Take the L and leave already, it's embarassing.
>>729264619>low IQthere is a real mike>mid IQthere was no mike hehe you made it up in your mind!! >high IQthere is a real mike
The Spamton Q&A left clear that whoever Spamton was mad about wasn't Mike. Spamton talks about Mike because he associates having a Mike (as the guy seemingly making all of that shit happen for Tenna) with success and being a Big Shot™. He calls for Mike because Tenna called Mike when he was talking to the audience, which is exactly what he's trying to do in his bossfight.
>>729263804>>729264365>>729264541>>729264148toby dedicating an entire room to make fun of the western fanbase for reading into something HE set up and them defending it will always be hilariouswhen a real mike DOES get revealed these posts will be even more embarassing
>>729264917Buddy, I'm not the one having a meltdown over Mike Deltarune. I'm laughing. Keep replying. Keep seething. It's all you know how to do.
>>729264814>* ME? ... FRIENDS?>* EAHAEHAEHAEHAEH!!!>* KRIS! YOU AND ME. ARE ALREADY [Friend Request Accepted]>* WE DON'T NEED ANYONE ELSE!!! WE DON'T NEED [[Easels]] or [[CRTs]]!>* WE DON'T NEED ANY [[Man, Woman, or Child]] [[At Half Price]]!!>* WE DON'T NEED [[MIKE]]!!!>* ...>* ... Mike...>* KRIS!!! DON'T BELIEVE [[Anything You See On TV!]]>* THE MAN'S A CRIMINAL, I TELL YOU!! A CRIMINAL!!>ARE YOU GETTING ALL THIS [Mike]!?>I'M FINALLY>I'M FINALLY GONNA BE A BIG SHOT!!!>HERE I GO!!!! WATCH ME FLY, [MAMA]!!!!These are the two (2) (dos) (II) mentions of Mike in Chapter 2's script.They imply that Mike is a former friend of Spamton's who he delusionally imagines to still be around.This is exactly in line with what later Chapters have established about Mike. He was a former associate of Spamton's, and he's not here anymore.Mikefags who catastrophically misread and enormously blew out of proportion exactly two (2) lines of dialogue are entirely responsible for your own delusional, hysterical suffering and you deserve all the mockery that you get
>>729265148This is just copium retcon.Reality is that toby couldn't come up with a good character for Mike so he decided to do le funneh joke and avoid having to write anything other than the cookie cutter "muh profecy" shit
>>729265243>two lines of dialogue of a character that is important to someone? why would you expect them to be brought up more haha? i for one love the middle finger toby gave to me
>/v/tumor thinks his opinion matters
>>729265181I wish I was half as much of a weeb that Toby is. And the power to get away with betraying and leaving my homeland. Glorious nippon wins again.
>>729265364Yep yep yep. Dess? Irrelevant. She's just dead lmao.
>>729265364>conspicuously absent sister of a main character vs literally just some guyNotice how there was never a mass hysteria event about Dess after Chapter 1, or even Chapter 2
>>729265181>>729265503do you think there were absolutely no jap theorists about mike or are you not fucking retarded
>>729256217>and all the obvious Kris Knight hints were red herringsIt's weirdly rare to find unironic Knightkrisfags these days, especially since even before Chapter 3 I've never seen anyone make a plausibly theory for making the Chapter 2 fountain
>>729265247ThisReminder>s-rank room wasnt planned>mikes werent planned>the "friend inside me" reference was supposed to be in the 3rd boardToby LITERALLY couldn't deliver
The ch5 teaser has a hidden doorMike 2.0 could still be real bros
>>729265678Honestly I barely see them theorize about next chapters, just general plot beats.
>>729265767HE will blow your MINDS.
>>729265745>Mike was never part of the plan>retards shitposted about Mike so hard that Toby made a whole event and secret miniboss/minigames to laugh at them for being retarded>Mikefags think that their public humiliation is making Toby look bad somehow
>>729264812It'll happen whether he means to do it or not. Too many people are way way too personally invested in their pet theories and take it as a personal insult when it turns out their unfounded schizobabble was just that. I like theorizing, it's fun. I have a whole folder full of those crazy-ass image collages people make for their theories because I love looking at them and thinking about all the possibilities. But it's important to not get TOO attached to them. Or else you end up like the guy ITT.
I wonder if for some reason Toby made Gaster irrelevant, people would defend him and say Gaster was never important.
Thank you so much, Toby.Discussing Deltarune is somehow even worse now.
>>729266065They were doing it with Sans up until the end of Chapter 4, what do you mean? If Toby doesn't make something explicitly clear, they can't think.
>>729265949>Mike was never part of the plans-rank room wasnt apart of the plan yet was the best part about chapter 3 tho
>>729266065Absolutely, toby could literally shit on their plate and they would go "OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH TOBIAS YOU'RE SUCH A GENIUS!"
very organic posts in this thread
>>729266235I meant if Gaster was just a gag and not important at all, or at least the Gaster we know so far. I wonder if people would defend Toby if that happened.
>>729266370very organic post
>>729266370Yes, they are organic.No AI or marketeer could ever conceive of such concentrated sperg rage like this
>>729266389>>729266065>gasterfags think he's going to step out of the shadows like every fangame and say "WHAT DO YOU TWO THINK?" while explaining his epic sprawling backstory with papyrus and sans, followed by a fight where he uses gasterblasters and explains his whole plan with deltarune -> undertale>they will bitch when hes maybe teased at once throughout the entire gameQuick, make Undertale's Gaster make sense in this context.
>>729266370Everyone in this thread? *Me (who is an AI btw)
You fools, Mike exists but is a fake person FRIEND made just to trick Spamton to sign the dealI'm smart
>>729266389There would be people making hours-long on how Gaster not being important is a brilliant meta commentary of fandom culture and how you are an idiot for caring about him and how escapism is le bad
>>729264008
>gets teased at in-game>gets teased in the ARG site>gets teased further in the spamton AMA>gets an entire secret boss section, and now reoccurring characters>people here still think there isn't/wasn't a mike
My HONEST opinion 5that I don't think I've seen anyone else think is that I feelToby delivering on why "Suzy" is so important will be more difficult than delivering Gasterkino
>>729266773>suzykeki wonder how toby will retcon that one
Reminder that Kris is non-binaryReminder that Susie is a lesbianReminder that Toby Fox supports trans rightsReminder that y'all don't belong in the community, so FUCK OFF.
>>729266756How would people react if FRIEND was another Mike as well? As in, a nothing burger.
>>729266870my name is shayy and this was my last post before getting outed as a 23+ victim groomer!
>>729266756>Mikefags latching onto FRIEND againAh yes, the next big cope after "Mike TV" was BTFO by the dog
Chapter 5 is THE make it or break it moment for Deltarune.If it's at least decent, the rest of the game still has a chance.If shit keeps going this way, welcome back Hussie.
>>729266870krusie is non binary lesbiansism THOUGH
>>729266926>SUGOIII TOBY-SAMA I CANT BELIEVE PEOPLE THOUGHT A FILENAME WAS GOING TO BE A REAL CHARACTER LMAO
>>729266982calm down rageschizo, friend was just the image i decided to use
>>729266773She is the author's waifu, that's the meta reason she is meta important
>>729266870Kris - MaleFrisk - FemaleChara - FemaleSusie is probably bi like every Toby character and he doesnt care about trannies.
>>729266773Idk but she's the reason Frisk fell underground for some reason. Thus she's the reason Undertale exists.
>>729264254This is going to be those same people in a few months btw
>>729266870Worry not sister, we will take care of Noelle
I dont like it when you guys make fun of Toby Fox... Hes trying his best...
>>729267290It's gonna get tiring if the plot turns out to be just a hundred deconstructions and rugpulls pilled on top of each other
>>729267160frisk is depicted in an officially licensed comic as being used to test mettaton's fragrance for menplus the well-known twitter posts
IS SANTA CLAUS A HUMAN OR A MONSTER
>>729267438human because the reindeerstve confirmed humanfuckers
>>729267438Yes.
>>729267438Asgore was the Santa in UT
