Do you speak Japanese?
>>729254683I self-taught myself up to N3 level (took and passed the exam too). I stopped doing it a few years ago because it really isn't worth the time unless you are going to make a career out of it. Being able to read the original Japanese text of games doesn't really elevate or change the experience that much. Get a decensor patch if it really bothers you. Also, most untranslated games are untranslated for a reason; they're dogshit.
Why would I wast time studing gook language when ai can translate just fine entire games?
nippon ichiwau sushi kamikaze
>>729254923>Being able to read the original Japanese text of games doesn't really elevate or change the experience that much.Based copium huffer.
>>729255147It doesn't. If you want to waste years of your life on learning it more power to you
>>729254683I can't speak it or understand speech but I can read well enough to play games
>>729255119Because I want to attain personal skills that extend my fragile connection to life a little longer.Goals without struggle of some kind are unsatisfying to reach.
>>729254923Meeting real people and reading books is not worth it indeed...
>>729255119AI couldn't fix your dogshit spelling
>>729255379...and grammar. Holy ESL.
>>729254683Had to look up "seihinban." Japanese has too many words.
>>729254923this anon is posting falsehoodsevading localizer-san by reading the original text means you are experiencing a completely different product.
いいえ、全然ダメ
No need.AI is so good at sussing out localization bullshitters that it has invalidated the very concept of spending years learning any language.
I was pretty good at it years ago, but then I focused on other things and didn't use it, now I've forgotten most of it.
>>729254683>kana onlyyuckjust look up kanji you fucking coward, also enjoy having to figure out what the fuck do the kana mean when there are like 10-20 different meanings sometimes.
>>729256735they're games for children, anon
I do, just got back from Japan. Went to an erotic cosplay event at a bar in Nagoya, some dude was totally wasted and thought it would be funny if a foreigner played Twister with the girls so he bought me VIP. Ended up winning so I was awarded VIP for next time... whenever that is. /blog
>>729254683Working on it
I can read enough to bumble my way through an RPG
>>729254923>Being able to read the original Japanese text of games doesn't really elevate or change the experience that much.Untrue, but sure.
>>729256937入れてやろう、バカ女
>>729254683いいえ、日本語が話しませんからねでしょかなですけど
If you're interested in learning Japanese, or are currently, just don't ever visit /v/ threads about learning Japanese.
>>729254923you're supposed to use that knowledge to go to Japan and explore the country side without getting killed by the crazed farmers
>>729255809I can attest to this. I've hit char limit many times ranting about the loss in characterization, themes, ect from garbage localizations. He's also lying about untranslated content. Only a fraction of content gets translated and you're missing out on so much if you don't know the language. While this isn't a big deal for most people, warding people off of learning by claiming untranslated works are bad is downright malicious. And ultimately unnecessary as the difficulty of learning Japanese already acts as a natural filter against retards.
>>729256735Better kana soup than whatever the fuck these puny Kanji are.
>>729257078>tfw been trying to for years but always get sidetracked when I start up againI need like a shock collar that zaps me if I lose focus. Or a better way to learn that keeps my focus.
>>729254683少しだけ。昔、勉強したけど、あきらめたんだ。
>>729254683Thank God Kanji exists.
>>729257195>loss in characterization, themes, ect from garbage localizations.Literally nothing. If it is "lost" in translation, then it probably didn't actually matter and was ditched for a reason, such as sucking or sounding like ass.
>>729257343>"lol" said the japanese game dev, "lmao".
>>729257691>zero space between the characters>shit just bleeding right over into the ones above, below, and to the sides of ithorrible horrible shit, should have just let you scroll up and down a page or something to allow for at least a tile space between the lines.
>>729257343That one is easy. 王子 + 気が合う
>>729257106Think it's fine when you're at the point where you can look stuff up in japanese and use japanese primary sources. At that point you get to enjoy whatever the fuck these threads are.
>>729257874Sure but if you're a newer learner, there's not much there to work with for finding ones you don't know already.
>>729257948Yeah I wouldn't recommend newfags learn with videogames, especially low res ones like that, start with manga.
>>729257691got zero problem reading that
>>729257691that card was so broken, might as well translate it to "play this card to win the game"
>>729257894Nah. These threads never encourage learning, just anons shitting on others for making minor mistakes so they can feel superior about learning a language just to be able to watch anime without subs.
>>729255119>Thread pic is a text with a double meaning that can't be translated with AI>"erm just use AI bro"
>>729254923>Being able to read the original Japanese text of games doesn't really elevate or change the experience that muchYes it does lol
>>729258176>"play this card to win the game"To be fair, you have to win the game to even get that card.
>Just do anki broYeah sure let me just look at this set of squiggly lines and internalize what this shit is supposed to both read as AND what it means in THIS instance.
>>729256937えっろ
>>729258185>These threads never encourage learningI mean more just killing time.>just anons shitting on others for making minor mistakesIt's more demoralization. Yeah the demoralization, seeing what the shitposters are up to.It m
>>729256937You can't stop me
>>729254923How about for anime? Did understanding it make a big difference compared to reading subs?
>>729258185>so they can feel superior about learning a language just to be able to watch anime without subs.When the alternative is playing shit where the translator gave up on even pretending to render the text in the target language and instead starts leaving lazy footnotes everywhere, hoping you'll get the message, yes, I think it's well worth it to learn the language.
>>729258735n3 isn't enough to understand anime. n3 is like if you had english as a 2nd language in grade school for 3 years
>>729256549In your dreams.
>TFW cant even memorize basic hiragana
>>729258909This.N3 will only see you picking out random words here and there while the rest disappears in a sea of aural slush, and we're talking even for the easiest of easy shit.Hell, I know N1 passers who can barely survive a single episode of basic battle shounen without reaching for the dictionary, who lack the endurance to binge watch.Seems that people love to talk about learning the language and yet you rarely see people who actually sit down and read, listen, watch, engage with it in the amounts a person truly needs to get decent at it. No amount of study can magically materialize the amount of mental room you need to process shit at the speeds it comes at you in real-world scenarios.
>>729258735as someone who studied for many years. if you like japanese stuff you will enjoy it a lot more. if you don't really care about the japanese part you may start to dislike it.
>>729258868Tbf, while I'm not a fan of the translation here, the obvious>Morning>Good morningDoesn't work because >Morning>Good Morning>You don't need to add the goodIsn't an interaction you'd have in english. And so there isn't an obvious way to get all the meaning across without altering the scene in some way.
>>729254683Speak? NoUnderstand? YesI learnt japanese to play eroge yet now i barely read them, I finally started white album 2 after years of putting it off and I lost interest after a couple of hoursSad
>>729259192People stress N levels but I'd probably fail N3, definitely N2-1 and can read basic stuff without a dictionary. And if you have a dictionary you're good to go. People overestimate how much japanese knowledge you need to immerse. You don't need much, what's more importance is patience and tolerance.
>>729259176What helped me with that, was associating each character with something it looked like. Do that enough and you eventually just remember the character itself.
>>729259461we were talking about understanding anime. native level spoken language on tv
>>729259176Try using visual mnemonics. There's plenty of pre-made ones out there.
>>729254683Why would I learn a dying language?
>>729254683>Spent the first couple months of the year studying.>Actually felt like I was making progress.>Ended up getting burnt out and gave up.I will never make it no matter what I do.
>>729259542Is that not basic? Most anime count as basic.
>>729258735It depends. On trashy anime, it sucks because you reading subs = you not looking at the shitty animation quality. But on better anime, it's really exciting.There's been a few scenes where I stopped reading the subs, and it absolutely elevated the dramatic moment, enough to move me to tears. It was in mushoku tensei season 2 when Rudy had asked for sylphy's hand in marriage
>>729259691At that point you start applying things. Find some Japanese media you like and start reading.
Do you know how to handwrite in 日本語?I've gotten to a point I can read and type some stuff but I can't see myself handwritting Kanji any time soon.
>>729259696depends on the show, no? but that's beside the point. listening isn't reading and if i take away the option to pause bc it's a tv broadcast, how are you gonna fare?>>729259869>Do you know how to handwriteyes
>>729259869Writing is how I actually remember the stuff. I hand-wrote all my flashcards and that helped immensely. I still remember a ton of stuff from like 7-8 years ago because of it.I definitely couldn't write now cause I haven't practiced, but any time I decide to learn, I do writing in addition to the rest.
>>729259869i can write it, but don't expect me to get the correct stroke order for any kanji ever
>>729259992So did you do reps, or just write it down if you got it wrong?
>>729260143nta but i must've written many of the basic kanji over 500 times by now
>>729260143Both. I used a notebook to practice writing the kanji, and then when I could write it confidently without 'cheating', then i'd make the flashcard.the flashcard had the kanji on the front, and the back would have some sample sentences that i formulated, and then the readings for it in the corner.I'd take a pic but it's all at home.
>>729254683You know how illiterate Americans can understand spoken english but can't read or write it?That's me with Japanese. I've been around family and the language for a long time, I can pick out sentences and verbage when I hear it but can't read or write it.
>>729254683Maybe one day I will muster the courage to at least speak it so I can talk with the japanese because I loved my interaction with them even with my very limited nihongo and google trad skill.Writing will and reading will probably be never ever tier.
>>729257691Extremely easy to read. What's the problem?
>>729257691Better this, than handwritten kanji.Let me give you an example.Can an anon guess what this character is?
>>729259565If you need memonics just to remember kana, dont' even bother. You're too dumb for language learning.
>>729261012Why take it out of context? Context is everything with Japanese. I think that's the "金" radical on the top left at least.
>>729254683me no speak nihongo anon kun
>>729257130You don't even need to speak to anyone in Japan. Google Maps tells you what buses to take and everything. I was in the middle of rural Gunma and it gave me directons for a nearby bus that came every 2 hours. I had to sit there a while and it was freaking 10 mins late
