Do you speak Japanese?
>>729254683I self-taught myself up to N3 level (took and passed the exam too). I stopped doing it a few years ago because it really isn't worth the time unless you are going to make a career out of it. Being able to read the original Japanese text of games doesn't really elevate or change the experience that much. Get a decensor patch if it really bothers you. Also, most untranslated games are untranslated for a reason; they're dogshit.
Why would I wast time studing gook language when ai can translate just fine entire games?
nippon ichiwau sushi kamikaze
>>729254923>Being able to read the original Japanese text of games doesn't really elevate or change the experience that much.Based copium huffer.
>>729255147It doesn't. If you want to waste years of your life on learning it more power to you
>>729254683I can't speak it or understand speech but I can read well enough to play games
>>729255119Because I want to attain personal skills that extend my fragile connection to life a little longer.Goals without struggle of some kind are unsatisfying to reach.
>>729254923Meeting real people and reading books is not worth it indeed...
>>729255119AI couldn't fix your dogshit spelling
>>729255379...and grammar. Holy ESL.
>>729254683Had to look up "seihinban." Japanese has too many words.
>>729254923this anon is posting falsehoodsevading localizer-san by reading the original text means you are experiencing a completely different product.
いいえ、全然ダメ
No need.AI is so good at sussing out localization bullshitters that it has invalidated the very concept of spending years learning any language.
I was pretty good at it years ago, but then I focused on other things and didn't use it, now I've forgotten most of it.
>>729254683>kana onlyyuckjust look up kanji you fucking coward, also enjoy having to figure out what the fuck do the kana mean when there are like 10-20 different meanings sometimes.
>>729256735they're games for children, anon
I do, just got back from Japan. Went to an erotic cosplay event at a bar in Nagoya, some dude was totally wasted and thought it would be funny if a foreigner played Twister with the girls so he bought me VIP. Ended up winning so I was awarded VIP for next time... whenever that is. /blog
>>729254683Working on it
I can read enough to bumble my way through an RPG
>>729254923>Being able to read the original Japanese text of games doesn't really elevate or change the experience that much.Untrue, but sure.
>>729256937入れてやろう、バカ女
>>729254683いいえ、日本語が話しませんからねでしょかなですけど
If you're interested in learning Japanese, or are currently, just don't ever visit /v/ threads about learning Japanese.
>>729254923you're supposed to use that knowledge to go to Japan and explore the country side without getting killed by the crazed farmers
>>729255809I can attest to this. I've hit char limit many times ranting about the loss in characterization, themes, ect from garbage localizations. He's also lying about untranslated content. Only a fraction of content gets translated and you're missing out on so much if you don't know the language. While this isn't a big deal for most people, warding people off of learning by claiming untranslated works are bad is downright malicious. And ultimately unnecessary as the difficulty of learning Japanese already acts as a natural filter against retards.
>>729256735Better kana soup than whatever the fuck these puny Kanji are.
>>729257078>tfw been trying to for years but always get sidetracked when I start up againI need like a shock collar that zaps me if I lose focus. Or a better way to learn that keeps my focus.
>>729254683少しだけ。昔、勉強したけど、あきらめたんだ。
>>729254683Thank God Kanji exists.
>>729257195>loss in characterization, themes, ect from garbage localizations.Literally nothing. If it is "lost" in translation, then it probably didn't actually matter and was ditched for a reason, such as sucking or sounding like ass.
>>729257343>"lol" said the japanese game dev, "lmao".
>>729257691>zero space between the characters>shit just bleeding right over into the ones above, below, and to the sides of ithorrible horrible shit, should have just let you scroll up and down a page or something to allow for at least a tile space between the lines.
>>729257343That one is easy. 王子 + 気が合う
>>729257106Think it's fine when you're at the point where you can look stuff up in japanese and use japanese primary sources. At that point you get to enjoy whatever the fuck these threads are.
>>729257874Sure but if you're a newer learner, there's not much there to work with for finding ones you don't know already.
>>729257948Yeah I wouldn't recommend newfags learn with videogames, especially low res ones like that, start with manga.
>>729257691got zero problem reading that
>>729257691that card was so broken, might as well translate it to "play this card to win the game"
>>729257894Nah. These threads never encourage learning, just anons shitting on others for making minor mistakes so they can feel superior about learning a language just to be able to watch anime without subs.
>>729255119>Thread pic is a text with a double meaning that can't be translated with AI>"erm just use AI bro"
>>729254923>Being able to read the original Japanese text of games doesn't really elevate or change the experience that muchYes it does lol
>>729258176>"play this card to win the game"To be fair, you have to win the game to even get that card.
>Just do anki broYeah sure let me just look at this set of squiggly lines and internalize what this shit is supposed to both read as AND what it means in THIS instance.
>>729256937えっろ
>>729258185>These threads never encourage learningI mean more just killing time.>just anons shitting on others for making minor mistakesIt's more demoralization. Yeah the demoralization, seeing what the shitposters are up to.It m
>>729256937You can't stop me
>>729254923How about for anime? Did understanding it make a big difference compared to reading subs?
>>729258185>so they can feel superior about learning a language just to be able to watch anime without subs.When the alternative is playing shit where the translator gave up on even pretending to render the text in the target language and instead starts leaving lazy footnotes everywhere, hoping you'll get the message, yes, I think it's well worth it to learn the language.
>>729258735n3 isn't enough to understand anime. n3 is like if you had english as a 2nd language in grade school for 3 years
>>729256549In your dreams.
>TFW cant even memorize basic hiragana
>>729258909This.N3 will only see you picking out random words here and there while the rest disappears in a sea of aural slush, and we're talking even for the easiest of easy shit.Hell, I know N1 passers who can barely survive a single episode of basic battle shounen without reaching for the dictionary, who lack the endurance to binge watch.Seems that people love to talk about learning the language and yet you rarely see people who actually sit down and read, listen, watch, engage with it in the amounts a person truly needs to get decent at it. No amount of study can magically materialize the amount of mental room you need to process shit at the speeds it comes at you in real-world scenarios.
>>729258735as someone who studied for many years. if you like japanese stuff you will enjoy it a lot more. if you don't really care about the japanese part you may start to dislike it.
>>729258868Tbf, while I'm not a fan of the translation here, the obvious>Morning>Good morningDoesn't work because >Morning>Good Morning>You don't need to add the goodIsn't an interaction you'd have in english. And so there isn't an obvious way to get all the meaning across without altering the scene in some way.
>>729254683Speak? NoUnderstand? YesI learnt japanese to play eroge yet now i barely read them, I finally started white album 2 after years of putting it off and I lost interest after a couple of hoursSad
>>729259192People stress N levels but I'd probably fail N3, definitely N2-1 and can read basic stuff without a dictionary. And if you have a dictionary you're good to go. People overestimate how much japanese knowledge you need to immerse. You don't need much, what's more importance is patience and tolerance.
>>729259176What helped me with that, was associating each character with something it looked like. Do that enough and you eventually just remember the character itself.
>>729259461we were talking about understanding anime. native level spoken language on tv
>>729259176Try using visual mnemonics. There's plenty of pre-made ones out there.
>>729254683Why would I learn a dying language?
>>729254683>Spent the first couple months of the year studying.>Actually felt like I was making progress.>Ended up getting burnt out and gave up.I will never make it no matter what I do.
>>729259542Is that not basic? Most anime count as basic.
>>729258735It depends. On trashy anime, it sucks because you reading subs = you not looking at the shitty animation quality. But on better anime, it's really exciting.There's been a few scenes where I stopped reading the subs, and it absolutely elevated the dramatic moment, enough to move me to tears. It was in mushoku tensei season 2 when Rudy had asked for sylphy's hand in marriage
>>729259691At that point you start applying things. Find some Japanese media you like and start reading.
Do you know how to handwrite in 日本語?I've gotten to a point I can read and type some stuff but I can't see myself handwritting Kanji any time soon.
>>729259696depends on the show, no? but that's beside the point. listening isn't reading and if i take away the option to pause bc it's a tv broadcast, how are you gonna fare?>>729259869>Do you know how to handwriteyes
>>729259869Writing is how I actually remember the stuff. I hand-wrote all my flashcards and that helped immensely. I still remember a ton of stuff from like 7-8 years ago because of it.I definitely couldn't write now cause I haven't practiced, but any time I decide to learn, I do writing in addition to the rest.
>>729259869i can write it, but don't expect me to get the correct stroke order for any kanji ever
>>729259992So did you do reps, or just write it down if you got it wrong?
>>729260143nta but i must've written many of the basic kanji over 500 times by now
>>729260143Both. I used a notebook to practice writing the kanji, and then when I could write it confidently without 'cheating', then i'd make the flashcard.the flashcard had the kanji on the front, and the back would have some sample sentences that i formulated, and then the readings for it in the corner.I'd take a pic but it's all at home.
>>729254683You know how illiterate Americans can understand spoken english but can't read or write it?That's me with Japanese. I've been around family and the language for a long time, I can pick out sentences and verbage when I hear it but can't read or write it.
>>729254683Maybe one day I will muster the courage to at least speak it so I can talk with the japanese because I loved my interaction with them even with my very limited nihongo and google trad skill.Writing will and reading will probably be never ever tier.
>>729257691Extremely easy to read. What's the problem?
>>729257691Better this, than handwritten kanji.Let me give you an example.Can an anon guess what this character is?
>>729259565If you need memonics just to remember kana, dont' even bother. You're too dumb for language learning.
>>729261012Why take it out of context? Context is everything with Japanese. I think that's the "金" radical on the top left at least.
>>729254683me no speak nihongo anon kun
>>729257130You don't even need to speak to anyone in Japan. Google Maps tells you what buses to take and everything. I was in the middle of rural Gunma and it gave me directons for a nearby bus that came every 2 hours. I had to sit there a while and it was freaking 10 mins late
>>729261265Wrong.
>>729261265Context is important when parsing a sentence, not when guessing what a kanji is.
>>729261429Was it to see that one sign in the middle of nowhere that everyone is memeing about for some reason
>>729261504>not when guessing what a kanji is.>"seeing okurigana or other kanji or even a whole sentence is not important context when identifying illegible Kanji"
https://tadoku.org/japanese/wp-content/uploads/f0118p-nemuimachi.pdfyou should try and read real books. video games are fine but actually parsing text is where it's at.
>>729261838Thankfully we have visual novels, which provide all the benefits of books on top of also being video games.
>>729261903>which provide all the benefits of booksFalse.Visual and audio elements are not benefits. You do not make the same gains """""reading""""" a visual novel as you do when using the full extent of your mind and imagination while reading a purely written work.
>>729261979Post your n1 certificate right now.
>>729261429>go to japan just to stare at your phone all day to do literally anythingbased!
>>729261979>Bro just run! No you don't need to learn how to crawl just run!Sure seems logical.
>>729261903>visual novels>video games
>>729262473>NO YOUR WORDS DON'T COUNTRetardIdiotMoron
>>729262473Already settled years ago by /v/ mods. Visual novels are vidya.
〉このスレ引く
>>729258305you can also do rtk so you understand the components of the kanji so it isnt just meaningless squiggly lines
>>729254683I've accepted I'm too fucking stupid to learn it
>>729254923>Being able to read the original Japanese text of games doesn't really elevate or change the experience that muchThat is incredible copium you got there. I can tell you're EFL by that sentence alone.
>>729255138Nissan!Kawazaki!
>>729254683
>>729263445onigiri onigirizettai damebiri biri
I learned all the kanas and have started learning some kanji, but I am having trouble adding words to my vocabulary. I like the reading aspect and memorizing symbols, but trying to understand what the things I am reading all mean is where I am failing. I know the solution is just "read/listen/watch/play more things in Japanese" I am just lazy.
>>729259176>tfw can write 2k+ kanji from memory because otherwise I would never memorize them, but cannot write kana
>>729263673das bullshit mane, I do not believe you, because each of the kana are used as components of kanji dawg. they were derived from it.
>>729263673Same here until I went through a kana production Anki deck, took me two weeks I still struggle with writing kana more than kanji though lol
>>729263629>too lazy to consume entertainment mediathat's just sad bro
>>729263743>because each of the kana are used as components of kanji dawg.Nah, kanji basically never have round elements and hiragana are full of them, katakana is closer to kanji though and has lots of common elements though not all
>>729263832why you lyin' dawg, just admit you don't know how to write kana. it's ok, we all start somewhere.
To the anons in this thread
>>729263904Name some common kanji that have あ お ね ゑ む ひ shapes in them, three each will suffice
>>729263743Isn't that only true for katakana? Also everyone's memory is different, remembering it as a component doesn't mean I can map instantly recall it when I think of kana.>>729263761>Same here until I went through a kana production Anki deck, took me two weeksYeah the solution is obvious, but since I've only been writing to memorize kanji I don't feel like I want to bother with kana production.
>>729254923This, I stopped at N4. Literally no point, there's barely anything worth reading - comics, books, games - that hasn't been translated already.>m-muh diversity hire scamlationsMost of the material these morons touch aren't exactly great literary works in the original either.
>>729263995>ゑDidn't even know this one, look at る riding his cute little wave.
Is "don't study kanji in isolation" a gatekeeping measure? My attempts to learn vocab without knowing kanji consisted of me pressing "again" 100+ times every day in Anki and not memorizing anything anyway and giving upThen I dedicated a month to just learning the joyo kanji and now I'm slicing through vocab and reading like butter, I basically never need to press "again" in Anki, feels like anyone saying to not do it is setting you up to fail
>>729264305It is individual I think.
>>729263995https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmoVat0ktQU
>>729264565>he thinks knowing how to write 安 means you know how to write あAhahahahaha
>>729264642yes, you are dumb. besides, consider the following:if you had the ability to memorize 2000 kanji characters, which are much more complex than their kana counterparts, it stands to reason that you'd have very little problem in learning the kana themselves.
>it's another thread full of dunning kruger affected people discussing Japanese
>>729263814I don't watch anime, and I don't read manga. I play a few games in Japanese and I love Japanese films, but for some reason it's not that easy to find Japanese films with Japanese subtitles.
>>729264565Man, I wouldn't even remember how write メ despite knowing how to write 匁.How does knowing 武 helps you writing む?
>>729264097See i can't take this seriously. Even supposing that the original is just "okay" surely you can tell the between okay writing and "um err.....actually" millennial slop. And that's supposing if, reality is that a lot of them are quite good so the gap is much wider.>>729264839You're using dunning kruger incorrectly.
>>729258868Your shitty game was translated by a retard that's all
>>729265002>The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias where individuals with low ability in a specific area overestimate their skills, often due to a lack of self-awareness. This is everyone ITT.
>>729264765Sure you have the *ability to learn* them, you don't automatically know how to write them the way knowing e.g. 侯 means you know how to write ユ, but you said knowing kanji means you know kana automatically since they're used as kanji components, which is only somewhat true for katakana, and definitely not true for hiragana
>>729264840japs hate deaf people and do literally everything they can to shun them from society, that includes making sure almost no media subtitled in japanese is available
>>729259298Good morning + name
>>729265215>Morning>Good morning john>Morning john is fine, you can drop the good
>>729259565???
>>729265002I dunno if this is an edit of the original, but parts of this plot are really ticking me off.>lots of wasted vertical space>the fill between implies that this plot is designed for color, but the markers themselves are black and white, and using too-similar symbols, making them hard to read>fucky black line over the gray "actual" line, probably caused by whoever did the fill-between doing it wrong>the x axis being discrete categories is fine, but the y axis should really have some goddamn numbers on it, even if they're an arbitrary unit. It's clear from the shape of the data that its continuous.
sugoi! nippon bonzai ikkatmatsu sushi toyota
>>729265152Trying to find subs for some 90s cartoons (or any pre-netflix show for that matter) is a real nightmare sometimes
>>729265002You overestimate how bad an average translation is because you only look at examples of bad translation.The only time I'd recommend learning Japanese, aside from trying to move to Japan (semi-)permanently, is if you want to read light/web novels, as those are either unavailable or unedited MTLs, but then we're going back to the argument about the quality of the original.
>>729265138https://www.nihongononiwa.com/post/what-is-japanese-hiragana-where-did-it-come-fromthat is not what I said. I said that the kanji were derived from them, which is absolutely true, and that due to their simple designs, they'd be much easier to learn, therefore I do not accept your premise, that you know how to write more than 2k kanji but somehow don't know how to write the kana. get out of my face with that kind of retardation. kana were derived from kanji by illiterate medieval japanese women, who were not taught how to write kanji. it then was later incorporated into the written language as a syllabary. stop being stupid. or, go be stupid somewhere else at least.
>>729254683I played live service slop for over 10 years and my dopamine receptors are just fucking fried. I couldn't play singleplayer games on their own. Then I started learning jap and for some reason despite it literally being,>video games>video games in japaneseIt's much more fulfilling now. I take the time to read shit instead of speedreading through text and skipping voiced dialogue. My attention span has improved greatly. Honestly if you're autistic, japanese is basically a grind that never ends so you can get your feeling of treadmill progression without the awful dark pattern stuff that the psychologists put in gachashit or competitive fps shit.
>I said that the kanji were derived from them"I said that the kana were derived from kanji," is what I meant. you know what I meant.
>>729265531>therefore I do not accept your premise, that you know how to write more than 2k kanji but somehow don't know how to write the kana. get out of my face with that kind of retardation.That's not him though, that's me.And tbhdesu you might be the retarded one here, since you fail to comprehend simple English.
>>729265398>the fill between implies that this plot is designed for colorThe fill is just to show the gap between the perceived and actual lines. The fill shrinking in size means participants are getting better at self-evaluation.
>>729261693Nah I was on my way to Kusatsu Onsen>>729262103Retard
>>729265531Like I said there's nothing in the 2200 joyo kanji that will clue you in on how to write almost any hiragana, you have to learn that separately>that is not what I said. I said that the kanji were derived from them, which is absolutely trueLet me quote you >I do not believe you, because each of the kana are used as components of kanji dawgThere are no kanji in which あ is a component the way ユ appears in 侯
I'd only learn Japanese now if I had a time machine and I could go back to my preferred time period of 90s and 00s. I just don't like modern culture and games that much, like gacha or vtubers or whatever. People are translating old stuff all the time so I guess I'm content with my laziness. Also my brain is middle-aged now.
>>729263832>katakana is closer to kanji thoughlol what?anyways, you should learn hentaigana
>>729265684>>729265823whatever you say. keep pushing your narrative, I'm just telling you that it sounds retarded and I don't believe it. if you took any time at all to learn this language, then you'd have started with the most simple aspect, which is kana.>b-but I'm a special autistic snowflake who autistically sat up one night for 37 hours straight and learned them all!!!!!!shut up. it's gay.
>>729259298>>729265215>>729265291to me him saying drop the good would mean he's saying it's a bad morning. maybe>Morning>Good morning Mr/Mrs Name>Morning John is fineto get the sense of familiarity? like this is a scene in countless shows and movies with the stuffy by-the-rules guy talking to the main guy
>>729265971>boku no reddit academia Yeah that fits
>>729265693Yeah, I understood that. But from a plot design perspective, putting color on a plot means you expect the plot to be printed in color. But using shitty symbols for the points means you're expecting your plot to be printed in black and white. For a colored plot, you'd probably be coloring the markers in addition to the shapes. If they expected the plot to be black and white, then they'd use a pattern fill instead of a color, because its hard to guess at a glance what "pale red" and "pale green" are going to convert to when printed in grayscale (or even worse, black and white). There are colors you can use to avoid this happening (so called "perceptually uniform" colormaps) but that's not what's in play here.This has nothing to do with the point of the plot, but everything to do with how the data is being presented.t. researcher who has made about eight quadrillion plots
i'm learning japanese but it's not what I should be doing honestly.i'm feeling a bit of sunk cost fallacy as although I just started i put a lot of effort in and don't want to give up
>>729263814You can't "consume" media if you don't understand anything
>>729265438Tell me about it. I just want to enjoy some good Japanese Kum Kum.
>>729254683chotto
>>729266034>Good morning Mr/Mrs NameIt's a school setting and they're both students.
>learned Japanese>whole heartedly believe that foreigners should stay out of JapanIts Japan due to its lack of exposure to the outside world, globalism destroys what is great about it. The only foreigner that should be allowed to stay is Pewdiepie.
>>729264190yeah because they don't use it anymore except for niche cases
>>729265960イ is in 供カ is in 力オ is in 閉タ is in 夢ホ is in 茶ラ is in 今etc, the claim that kana are just components used in kanji is somewhat true for katakana, and learning only kanji will mean you'll know how to write some katakana without learning them separately, this is not true for hiragana
>>729266158Mr/Miss then
>>729265938>Also my brain is middle-aged now.An excellent reason to give it exercise.
>>729266204>globalism destroys what is great about itFor me its Japan misinterpreting something and accidentally making it greater as a result. See pic related and Tolkeinslop.
just enough to play visual novels
>>729263161Yeah I started that deck thanks to some other anon here recently. Learning there are 20 different words that use Sun/Day and Moon/Month, and that some combination of those make Gallbladder somehow...You can probably spend your life researching kanji history.
>>729265971it's complete bullshit, takes like a week at most to learn kana if you're not retarded
>>729254683I can speak enough Japanese to live in Japan alone without any help from a native. But I probably sound retarded when I speak to a Japanese.
>>729266459>You can probably spend your life researching kanji history.You shouldn't since after a certain point they just became arbitrary contractions of arbitrary contractions of sensible pictograms, even right now there are kanji that are drawn differently depending on which software you're using since they were changed recently, like 噌 Learning the radicals is useful for easier memorization and production but that's it, their meanings don't have anything to do with the kanji's meanings most of the time
>>729254683ノーアイオンリースピークイングリッシュ
>>729266362That's true.
>>729266667some of that history is pretty funny thoughlike the kanji for blood 血 is derived from the kanji for plate (皿) because ancient chinese liked to sacrifice animals (or people)
>>729266854>アイmehtrue gaijins use ミー
